Petrol vs Batteries

[@ginggur17]

This is a waaaaay more interesting Physics lesson than we ever received at school. Did you ever know you wanted to do this whilst at school? 👍🇬🇧

[@ahmedafb]

best conversion...I am surely going to visit your workshop during my visit to London this summer....I am the same fellow who sent you email for converting Toyota FJ60 :)

[@JRJetMan]

The one question that's rarely addressed is cost. I would like to know the actual cost of a battery, electric motors and controllers. I know the price is changing but let us know the cost now.

[@svenvanwesterloo173]

And can you get it registered as an EV ? In some countries you cannot convert your car to EV and actually being road legal.

[@moestrei]

@@svenvanwesterloo173 Which countries? I don't know of any.

[@moestrei]

The cost of those comprehensive long range fast charge conversion is too insane to mention. In the area of a new EV like a Tesla. But the huge advantage is that it is build for your needs and desires and very importantly: You own the design. Repairs and upgrades are easily and cheaply done.

[@ottohardwick5323]

It's good to hear that cobalt is coming out of battery technology. It's not really the case that many people "wave the banner" on cobalt are doing that to rile against the electric car industry and ignore others such as mobile phones, though, as you appear to be hinting at here. Surely it's simply that if all people in the UK who have cars now want to have electric cars in the future, the total quantity of cobalt required would be simply /massive/ whilst that required for mobile phones would remain relatively insignificant against that. We have the luxury of not being the ones who live next to the cobalt mines, nor the mines for rare earth metals used in many technologies too. All of these things are, conveniently mined thousands of miles away from us and it's quite right that people flag this up. Most of us are blind to the damage done. So, it's a great relief to hear that reliance on at least one of the 'nasties' is being massively reduced in EV technology.

[@granthenry5806]

Brilliant explanation, alot of people are scared of range when it comes to EV cars, but what people must understand like any technology it only gets better over time. And I wont be surprised in 10 years time a EV will do over 1000 km on a single charge. And charge full in under 10min.

[@pascalg7815]

"Dry and Boring"? How about Exhilarating and refreshing? Thank you so much for the content. You are a natural at conveying tech issues.

[@Client_Match]

I watched the engine vs motor, battery vs fuel and charger videos as a series and I have to say how pretty much perfect they are in balance of information, but not too scientific to lose the audience. Presented really well and in one take. Thank you.

[@mikeberg22se]

Best summary I have seen in a long time! All the electric car haters need to see this.

[@zayitloud]

Man! What a great explanation about the inner workings of batteries and how they compare to fuel. Very instructive and not at all boring or too dense. Keep it up!

[@cristianfederico2411]

This is hands down the best video, I ever saw on this subject, dude mad respect, you know your stuff, and is clear you love what you do! Awesome!!!!!

[@markwainwright4136]

I never really liked the idea of putting an electric motor in a classic car but I have to say I’m converted. The number of times I’ve traveled to Cornwall in my split screen camper and wondered if I’d actually get there would be a thing of the past. Makes perfect sense. Well done with KZbin and your tv show!

[@ElectricClassicCars]

Thanks. I love a good Splitty. 😎👌

[@DaveCharbonneau1]

Q&A: How to start a conversion biz? (Mapping out costs, equipment, other first steps). Thanks for the great channel!

[@marcbee1234]

I'd love to understand charging from hook-up connector in car to in-car charger(s) explaining and showing the wires/cables running to charger and/or directly to battery, level 1, 2 and level 3 physical differences why the new Hummer can take up to 341 kWh at a charge station(saw it on youtube), why the kWh's go down after a while of charging. Best electric car conversion educational channel on youtube!!! Big thank you! My next question I'll send in will be on cooling, motor battery inverter controller :)

[@ElectricClassicCars]

Here's an episode on cooling for you kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqmon3Wro96GoJY. And one on smart charging. 👍 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpO4e4x4mJ1jmbs

[@marcbee1234]

@@ElectricClassicCars Thank you I watched the charging video great info but my question has to do with the car itself all items 'built-into' the car only, would be great to learn about that, thanks for all you do!

[@garage6346]

I wish I was that calm when it comes to myth busting. Great video!

[@LosZonga]

I think is really important to add / extract engine efficiency in your equation. Even petrol has the highest energy density, using it in the ice engine drops that efficiency accordingly to the engine efficiency. Also, thank you for your comment on the ''where the energy is coming from'' many people still think that the energy grid runs like in the 80. All the best, looking forward to your next episode.

[@LosZonga]

@@alanmay7929 What this has to do with Germany? I don't see your angle on this.

[@alibro7512]

@@alanmay7929 Even if the energy comes from a coal fired power station economies of scale kick in and the electric car is still greener over it's life cycle. It just takes a few more miles to be greener. It takes around 29k miles for an electric car in the UK to be greener versus something like 60k miles for a car running off dirty electricity. The irony is If all cars were scrapped at 20k miles petrol would be greener. Note, the numbers above may not be perfectly correct but they're not that far off. They come from Volvo who revealed the total carbon footprint over the lifecycle of their cars with (i believe) all factors included.

[@alibro7512]

@@alanmay7929 Perhaps your much smarter than Volvo then.

[@LosZonga]

@@alanmay7929 While extracting, processing, storage and pumping is done with electricity too. If you understand the calculations that ECC made so simple, using 30% of a product while dumping the rest of 70% is by far less efficient then anything I know as a product. Care to elaborate on that?

[@MrAdopado]

@@alanmay7929 Newer diesels about 40% as Richard stated in his previous engine/motor comparison video ... but hardly "way more efficient".

[@hassejansson]

Awesome talk, I'll share it on my fb..

[@ElectricClassicCars]

Thanks 👍

[@juanfranciscogilballester8937]

What an amazing piece of masterclass... you must be teaching this stuff in college. You´re a genius. Not only you explain us the theory easily but also show us how things works and how they are. Belive me: I am a architect and a teacher and I know what I´m talking about. Congratulations for your work and for your channel.

[@ElectricClassicCars]

Thanks. My mother was a teacher so maybe I got that from her. 😁👍

[@ginggur17]

I can see this channel gaining and deserving as many subs as Peters in a heartbeat. It’s great to have the Electricity evolution explained so we can understand it better. Top marks indeed Thankyou. 👍🇬🇧

[@hutchdw77]

I appreciate seeing you responding to your audience. I hope you stay true and don’t allow the audience to pull you off course.

[@pjwhitford]

This was utterly brilliant and pitched at just the right level. Please keep them coming.

[@WiocorEnergy]

The situation is changing every day and it's getting more and more interesting. Thanks for this useful talk ;-)

[@ginggur17]

A great explanation, thankyou. I like how you have converted to kWh.

[@cristianfederico2411]

Honestly, your teaching skills are top-notch, very good explanation.

[@kenjohnson3412]

Excellent video! Informative and well staged. Focused video, clear audio and without the use of annoying and unnecessary background music !! Keep up the good work!

[@bidon5037]

I've always thought you'd have more to say... And here you go! Thank you so much.

[@jasonperry6046]

Fantastic video. Keep the Tech Talks coming.

[@knowledgebyte]

Many years ago I was walking down an old back lane near Blunsdon, Swindon with my girlfriend, when I spotted a MKIIA long wheelbase Land Rover languishing in an old wooden shed. A couple of enquiries later I’d bought it and proceeded to rebuild the engine, which was in bits. I then went on to strip the gearbox and rebuilt it with salvaged parts; rewired the electrics; fitted some custom electronics; added side windows a Fairey overdrive and reconditioned the front wheel hubs, UJ’s and topped it off with free-wheeling front hubs and an economy carburettor. A great first barn-find rebuild. I can remember lifting out the gearbox by straddling the centre chassis members and lifting it out using the web seatbelt’s strapped over my shoulders. Back then I was as strong as an Ox and could pull off a stunt like that. Best time of my life. That’s what I like the most about your show. You give it a go and nothing much will stop you. The aim is to make better things and showcase your skills. Keep up the great work.

[@ElectricClassicCars]

Thank you. Nice story. 😁👍

[@davidrosenberg353]

ok so give us a look at the prices of motors vs engines approximate, and if you can give a final prices.

[@frazerrennie1340]

Could you create a crawling mode for the electric motors?

[@JulianJacobs100]

Started watching Vintage Voltage this week. From following Petrol Ped. And now following you. Keep up the great work.

[@georgedaville4662]

Hi Richard, you have a very natural delivery in straight forward language. You seem to be speaking without any prompting or scripts, which underlines your knowledge and understanding of EV engineering. 👍😎

[@ElectricClassicCars]

Thanks. 😁👍

[@gabequezada2066]

Good lord...i was hooked on this video and watched the entire thing and it was highly educational. Thank you so much sir

[@BigMacProDaddy]

great explanation, easy to understand and i appreciate your enthusiasm

[@martinarnsten4203]

As EVs get older do you think it will be possible to modify them without changing too much? For example if you could use the first gen VW E-up and change to a battery with faster charging and leaving everything else as it is?

[@ElectricClassicCars]

Yes. I do believe that will be a thing in the future. I already know of Nissan Leafs that have had upgrades to newer higher kWh battery packs. 👍

[@kylereese4822]

@@ElectricClassicCars Sierra Sapphire RS Cosworth duel motor with repackaged Model 3 battery cells to suit the shell`s available space.....

[@TC-V8]

@@kylereese4822 have you seen the price of Sierra Cosworths lately!

[@kylereese4822]

@@TC-V8 Yea just look for a rust bucket to convert....

[@kylereese4822]

@@TC-V8 Ps i have the 2000E version in my lock-up with the Cosworth interior and exterior fitted been in there for 16 years needs recommissioning before it rots.... :):)

[@insAneTunA]

7 hours ago a Dutch commercial radio station started a discussion about this exact subject, so your video came in as very handy as reference material so that I could discuss several frivolous arguments that were used by several people who joined the conversation with their comments. And I shared a link to this video as well 👍 And yes, cobalt was one of their arguments. When it comes to renewable energy and electric cars people always bring up arguments that weren't a problem when the same materials were used for something else. Take for example composite materials. It is not a problem when it is used for boats and cars, but when it is used for wind turbine blades it all the sudden becomes a problem for those people. Luckily a Dutch company solved that problem too, because they can recycle composite materials so that they can produce 100% recyclable tiles with it. But it is another example of a frivolous argument against renewable energy and technology. Thank you for your excellent work !!👍✌ (P.S. made a small typo so I fixed my error after reading it a few days later)

[@bertilhatt]

One thing that people don’t seem to know is that a lot of the Cobalt is being used to refine petrol.

[@insAneTunA]

@@bertilhatt Another striking example of the double moral, the lack of knowledge, and/or the hypocrisy from people who actually do know better. It is a big reason why I love this channel and the work from the people from Electric Classic cars so much. Honest information is a rarity these days. And since it is a 100% commercial operation people can't use the so called "government subsidies" argument and their usual conspiracy theories either. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge, I think that is exactly how we can make steps forward as a society.

[@svenvanwesterloo173]

I think that to those people it doesn't feel like an improvement when your still mining finite minerals and resources for a green alternative. I'm struggling with that as well. When you say cobalt is being used to refine petrol, it feels strange to be very enthusiastic about is when it's being used for a zero emission alternative. The mining remains, the exploitation remains, the resource does not remain as it's a finite one which makes it feel like a temporary solution and more of the same as with for instance the fossil fuel industry. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against electrical cars but a lot of things are happily forgotten when we're talking about zero emission solutions. They're mostly zero emission and/or green when actually in use, not yet in production or when their commercial life has ended. Fortunately developments are quick, and I'm confident that there will be solutions for all those problems.

[@bertilhatt]

@@svenvanwesterloo173 You don’t seem to differentiate metals that are capitalised in a fixed battery, that will be used every day for 10 years, reused in their entirely afterwards and ressources that will be consumed once, burned for good and never reused again.

[@insAneTunA]

@@svenvanwesterloo173 The newest Tesla batteries are completely cobalt free !!!

[@ozzie1982]

Ford Anglia under that cover. Going classic drag car!

[@bmwalker89]

Do the conversions you have include regen breaking? The content recently are great. Slick presentation.

[@pauldarrock6863]

Great insight into the variety of batteries available. I must admit I thought they were all pretty much the same, just packaged differently. It will be interesting to see if solid state batteries ever become a reality.

[@timmartin7468]

Very informative. I'm looking forward to the next episode. Cheers!

[@TheRealRodeoPhil]

Please talk about how to install regenerative breaks / how they work. Love your show!

[@user-fb9os7hy2y]

Well that was concise, bolloks free and clear as crystal..thanks very much..more tech, less 'entertainment' much appreciated.

[@theglynux]

I love your no nonsense plain speaking approach to this subject. It would be great to see a mix of content from you, I find the tech talks interesting but I’d also love to see some practical demonstrations of what is possible. If you have to shred tyres or drive up the side of a Welsh mountain to do it then so much the better ;-) I also find it fascinating seeing what types of vehicles you have been able to convert.

[@Matteo_Licata]

Brilliant video: lots of information delivered very effectively. I really appreciate these "tech talks," thank you for making these videos!

[@matttttt4236]

This was GREAT! Very detailed! Can’t wait to see more of these tech talks

[@n4thb4dc0]

i would like to see a more in depth video of that landrover from the beginning of the video

[@ElectricClassicCars]

There's loads for you to enjoy. 😁👍 kzbin.info/aero/PLBHm9Yo2w2bYPU02xSB873iOs88Irk7lJ

[@sktaylor99]

These new tech videos are great. I've seen your Beetle before and am pleased to be able to learn how the components all work together. I've just restored a 1972 Beetle 1302S but for my next project it would be nice to do an electric conversion of an old VW

[@keithforster2615]

Absolutely brilliant video. Loved the petrol / battery comparison and the details of the different battery packs and there uses. Really looking forward to the next one.

[@scottstewart7802]

Love what you are doing! We are a 2 EV family, going on 7 years. What you are doing is so powerful and a great resource for me to share with people I speak with. My feedback on this video is- If you speak about global warming you run the risk of loosing some people’s attention. Your focus on the performance side of a conversation is so powerful. A stand alone video about Global Warning with expert guest might be a good addition someday. I would also think a video on repurposing used batteries (grid, home and RV…) would be a good + as well, but for now please keep doing what you do so well. I believe you are helping to change the world.

[@ianh9696]

This guy has got to have children with that Dad joke about "Electric planes will never take off" 😁

[@bishbashbosh-j6z]

very informative. I'd like to know, could I convert my classic in my garage as a project ? what are the key steps for consideration and pitfalls to watch out for ? I know some of the info is proprietary, but still would be good to understand the key learning points. thanks.

[@garethparkin9498]

Very interesting. I wanted to ask what do you do with the engines when you remove them?

[@tigher61]

Do any guys every use supercapacitors/ultracapacitors to deliver the large ampage for short bursts?

[@JohnRushworth]

Well done Richard. Good explanations. All the kind of stuff I wrote about for Victron Energy before I retired.

[@normandrapeau2398]

Thanks for the explanation. I would be interested in any thoughts on a first gen Saab 900/ 99?

[@d.beaumont9157]

I've just ordered a MAN panel van for our business, I looked at the e model but the range would be around 90 to 100 miles. We typically cover 2 to 300 miles in a day, sometimes with quite a bit of weight on board. I'm hoping if battery density improves over the next few years, I could convert it to all electric, as eye watering expensive as that sounds. Great videos by the way, not in the least bit boring. My dream car to convert would be a Dino 246 spider.

[@mikejf4377]

Great video with great information. I would like to know how you figure Kw to distance when your doing the conversion.

[@ododargo]

vintage voltage is by far the best car prog on tv keep them comming also have a look at alan millird he builds fantastic bikes

[@Senna-xi1gr]

Great detail & well presented. Thanks for the update 👍🇬🇧

[@sambooth8745]

What is the feasibility of a kit to convert the MGB to electric, utilizing existing gearbox, engine, and fuel tank mounts ? Example - one piece unit with motor in gearbox area, battery etc. in engine space filling engine bay and second battery in place of the fuel tank. Also, there is extra space where the 2 old batteries sit just behind the seats maybe for electonics ...... just an idea plug and play in 8hrs

[@AdventureUwe]

I totally like the comparison of kWh and energy density between batteries and petrol This is really cool to hear and to learn about! First video that I see for this particular comparison. Well done!

[@luc_libv_verhaegen]

With respect to weight, a missed argument is that overall weight is no longer as important: thanks to instant torque and regen braking.

[@joelvanb1]

Video production is so professional. Amazon or Netflix should pick up your show. Amazing content and you’re a real humble dude.

[@velvetom]

What’s been the evolution with adapter plates and couplers when marrying the tech? I’ll take my answer in future videos! Thanks!

[@gingernutpreacher]

Lithuam iron batteries in the grey box not the yellow one's have a much higher power density have you seen them?

[@EnemyOfYourStat]

I am loving this content. I am learning about conversions to start my first one this May. Thank you for doing this.

[@MegaSuperfly92]

Thank you for providing this excellent technical content!!! It's a long-term dream for my wife and I to do classic EV conversions and your channel is the perfect inspiration.

[@adrianevans8304]

Great presentation Richard 👍😊👍⚡

[@G-Cam1]

Great video. Is it a Berkley or a 2cv under the cover?

[@johnwoolf66]

Another great video, thanks for the great info - there's always something to learn!

[@l.p.bilham9852]

Thank you very much! It is nice to hear straight talk and FACTUAL evidence. Playing with vehicles is still alive! Love the spirit! I can't wait for more!

[@morisalty9198]

Hey love your builds and vids! How feasible would it be for one man(me) to build an electric car of your calibre on my own? Im thinking of something like your electric 911, but with a porsche 930 turbo body restored It would be built inside my garage, Any insight helps!

[@ElectricClassicCars]

Definitely possible. That's how I converted my first car, on my own. 👍

[@seancain7305]

Another tip-top film.... I'm really enjoying these :-) Thank you Team ECC

[@FruSiegfridHolmen]

Thank you once again for lovely content. For the Q&A: How easy is it in the UK to get conversions on the road, approved by the DVLA? This seems very difficult in Norway due to law that prohibit this kind of radical alternation on vehicles. Guess for the new project, that the world´s never seen : The Tesla powered 4x4 Soviet Trabant.

[@highpath4776]

that might overpower its road holding capability

[@janospeto831]

Trabant is not Soviet but East German ! 🙄 In Hungary, electrical remodeling has already been done at home. 😃✌️kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2bPpmiNn5lqZ6s

[@janospeto831]

This Trabi is 10 years old and it is a legal one, today the electrical conversion is no longer allowed, so it will be transferred to Austria, where it will be licensed and brought back to Hungary! 😂 🤣

[@FruSiegfridHolmen]

@@janospeto831 Good point! Cool conversion! :)

[@samurai-capybara]

Is it a Ford Model T or A hot rod under the sheet? Or one of those 3/4 size racer things?

[@a.bloke2.0alwayslearning.23]

Here is a question. At 70 Years of age, I have experienced over 6 decades of resistance to new ideas. I am not the first. Watt had it, the Wright Brothers had it, every Invention/ Technical Design that has proven worth anything had it. What makes established practice so resistant to new thinking ? .

[@a.bloke2.0alwayslearning.23]

Hi again Richard. I just previously sent you a post regarding brand new Electric Vehicle Motor and Lighting Technology, but on recieving your notice of my above post, I cannot see that OTHER first main Post ! As it is of extreme importance, to YOU !, ( I guarantee it), could you please let me know if you have received THAT previous Post ? (A Post OTHER than on this thread.) Please do not ignore me and repeat the Refusal to even LISTEN to new Ideas as I mentioned in my above Second Post, and for which you kindly awarded me a heart. If you think I am right on Resistance to New Ideas, you should fallow up on this. Regards. . Regards. .

[@julianpritchard2558]

Does the series 2 have good engine braking? Or is there no braking on an electric motor?

[@ElectricClassicCars]

That's a good question. I'll answer that in a off road video we'll do. 😁👍

[@lwoodt1]

Very interesting about the battery's being kept very low in the car. Also with being able to move the battery packs around, you could get close to a 50/50 weight distribution which would give it excellent handling.

[@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665]

Thats the principle behind most skate board chassis designs. In something like an e type swap the rear axel for the Tesla set up...and put the batteries and gubbins where the old straight six bell housing and gearbox all went.. which way more than the rest of the body assembly. They are seriously heavy engines....let alone the V 12 versions.

[@TheJAMF]

21:30 Do not forget to include fossil fuels in that list, because cobalt is used to desulphur gas and diesel. That is also a one time use, whereas you can recycle the cobalt from batteries. 🤔😎

[@Dave_Stafford]

Great video. Loving the numbers.. gives great perspective.

[@johngriffin571]

Awesome talk. I wish I could find a similar company in the northeast USA. Sigh

[@bigginwales]

Question for your Q&A, how do you make the decision between adding a motor to the existing running gear (either the gearbox, or drive shaft) or to install the motor to the wheels, via half shafts of course.

[@cephasmakuzva]

I love the show. I got introduced to it because I watch my favourite youtuber Petrol Ped Pete, and he said he was getting involved in the show. This was a very informative video and very interesting to watch.

[@paulpobsanderson6219]

You have answered so many nagging questions I had. Brilliant explanation.

[@marcelb.7224]

You are my hero! EVs are the future

[@donpeterson7414]

Great presentation! How does a w201 Mercedes look as a potential conversion candidate. Curb weight was around 1200 kg. They are numerous still, handle great and well built. Drag coefficient was very low for the time. I love mine but feel guilty about the diesel.

[@MikeDWinter]

Really enjoying these tech videos. Would be interesting to see how you solve issues around heating/cooling cabin, brake servo, power steering, auxiliary power etc. that would have come off feeds from an engine in the past.

[@H4N5O1O]

electric or take heat from battery, electric assist for brake and steering (as on a lot of current ice vehicles).

[@rossgebert9422]

Great episode, really enjoyed the presentation.

[@chipnerd]

What a great video! Just discovered your channel and I'm thrilled, really good stuff. You can tell that you thoroughly know what you are talking about but your are not using complex details to impress the audience, keeping it to essentials to get the message across, very good approach, much appreciated.

[@adjbeynon7835]

You are such a good teacher, Richard. Can't wait to see the mystery car. My guess is, (oh, gawd, I'm probably miles out), a Renault 4.

[@musicjohn1]

I am very curious about hub motors. Super nice to eliminate a lot of components, but I understand the unsprung weight penalty. Does seem like an easier conversion option.

[@richardscrivener351]

Brilliant video. I would really like to see more detail on the comparison between electric & petrol/diesel in terms of overall weight vs power output

[@zodiacfml]

23:43 you forgot about regen. this is the reason EVs work or makes sense, especially in the city or stop and go traffic. this is also the reason why more luxury EVs keeps getting heavier with little consequence, except for faster tire wear

[@taminatorv]

Can you cover DC fast charging with EV conversions? It seems like most conversions only have level 2 charging capabilities

[@mrlintonious]

Look forward to how the DC gets converted to AC, and how controlled. ie , more info on the Inverters, how they are rated and paired to the Battery Pack and Motor. Thanx, and keep up the great presentations.

[@intergrale4x4]

Would also be interested in the battery pack unit you had on the floor next to the 20ltr Jerry can. Can these be sourced second hand and what kind of cost would be involved ??

[@sasgeek888]

Q&A ev conversions seem to mostly retain original gearbox, are there other options for a cleaner look inside?

[@RussellMakes]

Excellent video!! I'm a maker type with gear-head experience and I'm getting more and more interested in EV conversions. Thank you for being such a great resource of useful info! Can't wait to see what you're building! Cheers.

[@michaelhass2405]

Hello, thank you very much for the very detailed explanation of the different battery types. Your videos are very entertaining and inspiring. I am already looking forward to the next topic. Recently, I talked to a friend about transmissions in an electrical conversion. When would you use the original gearbox and when would you not? Does it make sense, for example, to continue using the automatic transmission in a Mercedes SL?

[@ErraticBuddha]

Excellent video, many thanks. Dreaming of when I can get my old jag converted form the dead dinosaur juice (love the term).

[@dama054]

I know a nissan leaf isn't a classic car but would like to know if a leaf battery pack could be rebuilt with a more energy dense batteries

[@petervarley3078]

See this video on the Fully Charged channel: "New Batteries for Old EVs : 150% more range for a Nissan LEAF" kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWXRhJKqiLacjLM