Peugeot 205 T16 Evo II VS Peugeot 208 T16 Pikes Peak || Montée des Légendes 2018

Last weekend´s Montée des Legendes in France was a Hillclimb Festival with some amazing guests, but what caught our attention was the possibility of watching back to back Two Peugeot Monsters: the 600+Hp/930Kg Group B 205 T16 Evo II and Loeb´s 875Hp/875Kg 208 T16 Pikes Peak.
Although never a fair comparison when it comes to pure Speed, it was a unique opportunity to watch these 2 Legends that at different points in time were the most extreme cars ever created by Peugeot Sport. Also they both share interesting connections to Pikes Peak, as obviously, Loeb´s car was a former Overall recordist of the event, but Jean Duby´s 205 also uses the engine that Peugeot Sport fitted on the Pikes Peak versions of the 205 T16 that competed on the 1987 edition of Pikes Peak.

[@johnsmith-nl3js]

208 is absolutely mentally quick and as much as i like it its still just a very good machine, if i had to choose would still take the 205, its got soul, like a wild animal that u have to take by the scruff and try to tame..

[@glurak888]

Thats why electric shit is boring, electric power steering sucks ass!

[@hillclimbracingfan5821]

+john smith To each their own.But i don't agree with you saying only 205 has soul.208 has it as well in my opinion. You can see how it sounds,how it goes.That car is a true animal.I'd rather dare to slam the pedal in 205 than 208 because 208 seems like it's just too much to handle when compared to 205.

[@ryanriverosantana4970]

205 has a soul? Maybe, but it's for sure the most souless beast of Gr. B. Literally nothing special, except winning the championship. Metro 6R4 was a N/A V6. 037 was supercharged. Audi Quattro S1 E2 has the inline 5 turbo. The Delta S4 was super- and turbo- charged. Cappable of a lot of HP. Citröen BX was a tryhard Group B wannabe. Ford RS200 had its own shape, and was builted only for rallying. Opel Manta was that guy nobady even thought it was a Group B car.

[@johnsmith-nl3js]

+Ryan Rivero Santana i never said it had the most soul of all the group b cars all though was still a good car just not compared to the mighty quattro or the beautiful rs200, was merely comparing the old and new peugeots.. (the manta 400 has a place in my heart too as i had the joy to ride in one 4yrs ago and was a truely special experiance!)

[@johnsmith-nl3js]

+Ryan Rivero Santana and the bx just arrived to late just like the opel kaddet 4x4 turbo and many others that slipped through the net after the tragidys..

[@konfuzon4270]

Don't forget the 208 is made for the new 100% asphalt Pikes Peak, whilst the 205 had to cope with the dirt part. The lower ride height helps 208's pace a lot..

[@samwisehuluberlu2210]

And? It doesn't change the fact than 208 blown away 205.

[@Dinoface96]

@@samwisehuluberlu2210 and?? It is proven the pikes peak 205 t16 can deal with both gravel AND tarmac aswell. Where the pikes peak 208 t16 didnt. Besides, the 205t16 have better and more lovely memorable engine sound

[@samwisehuluberlu2210]

@@Dinoface96 point of view about sound. For the rest, T16 208 version was built for asphalt, not for dirt..

[@duck.cr3]

this 205 is the group b version, no the pikes peak one

[@bojanstojanovic5465]

bullshit

[@rogerj412]

I know the 208 is much faster but I like the 205 way more. The older cars just have something the newer cars don't in my opinion.

[@AndrewLewer90]

They have a Soul.

[@PlAyEr-qk6uj]

Same

[@andrefalconfernandez]

Carburator

[@marcelomenendez1971]

the 205 t16 you said, thats true? it has a carburator? hahaha man , are you kidding?

[@julianv.5848]

YES!! STILL HAS TO BE THE 205 FOR ME.... IT MIGHT BE THE LEOPARD AND NOT THE TIGER TODAY...... THE LEOPARD STILL IS THE INVISIBLE STRONGER BREED OF CAT....? GOOD SET UP, ON BOTH CARS. AND I LOVE TIGER'S

[@spawnx34212484]

la 205 c'est pas que Pikes peak, c'est le Dakar et surtout le Rallye! incomparable pour moi! la 205 c'est une légende!

[@velo-funmotor8010]

c'est vrai , la 205 ça reste une Légende.. une vraie "Formule 1" des pistes .. ;)

[@MsMontec]

Of course!!!!!!

[@valeriolombardo3939]

Oui un paragon stupide la 205 t16 etait une rally car groupe b . Je m'excuse pour le francais mal ecrit . Vive la 205 t16 ensemble a la lancia delta S4 e 037 sans oublier l'Audi A1!!!! Ciao!

[@valeriolombardo3939]

Audi s1 pardon

[@jmrvofNA2109]

Avec la 405 Pike's Peak la comparison aurait été differente

[@fissionchips8840]

Pure perfection... What a video!!! 208 is a speed beast (it looks almost sped up) but my heart 💓 has to go with the 205 😁👍

[@scinerz]

La 205 est tellement belle c’est hallucinant... un style qui n’a même pas vieilli !

[@kammomaking2475]

Si, ça a vielli comme le bon vin ;)

[@guillaumeb7660]

Comme la 306. De vraies tueries !!

[@danyan7]

0:09 the face of de comisari, like ....Not bad the 205

[@vince_386]

I thought the same

[@kopronko]

;-))

[@tlvidriss5806]

Like : I must have one 🤣

[@carlwesternut2434]

I'd take the 205. Its a classic.

[@kopronko]

Amennn !!! Just has to have a little more power + a little bit more Widened body/wheels :-)

[@ada205mi]

@@kopronko like the 205 t16 pikes peak version then?

[@tonypasma1707]

Mmm

[@minutepapillon5060]

La différence ? La 205 = légende !

[@asmoth360]

Dans 10 ou 20 ans on dira pareil de la 208, légende !

[@TheStambi]

FUCK SHIT le pikes peat avant c’était 50 terre 50 asphalte mettez la 208 dessus elle vaut rien pour moi la vrai légende c’est vatanen avec sa 405 t16 Léon c’est rien à côté

[@eljeromino832]

Bah en même temps elle était spécialement conçue pour ça La 205 reste la légende incontestable

[@Juanknes]

I liked the era when rally cars were based on street cars. Nowadays it's only a shell that looks a bit like the street version.

[@Dragoneer]

Juan Carlos Damonte Umm...have you ever seen the Metro 6R4 or the Delta S4? XD

[@marcelomenendez1971]

I like the street version of the groupe b cars, lol

[@elazotacunaos4752]

The Group B weren't based on street cars 😂 They were obligated to make 200 units

[@Juanknes]

@@elazotacunaos4752 Yes, but these limited series were much closer to the normal production models than moderns WRC are with any road legal model.

[@Juanknes]

@@DragoneerThe Lancia 037, Stratos, the Renault 5 Turbo, Peugeot 205 T16, Audi Quattro, and a lot more are related to road legal versions of the normal cars. At least much closer than modern WRC.

[@MrShranky]

the speed difference was night and day

[@freyasatsuki561]

The 205 is a car build for rallying and is a lot older the 208 is probably purposely build for hillclimb racing so it would make sense

[@gaycha6589]

Aero has changed over the years.

[@Wok_Agenda]

Sitting there all day just to see a 205 for 1,8 sec? Sounds like fun

[@jeanphilippepaya183]

La 205 est parfaite pour allumer un Barbecue, la 208 pour arriver vite a Celui ci 😉 Magnifique cette 205 ❤️

[@Franckfromjapan]

205 et 208. Plus la même planète, je suis du genre à aimer les anciens bolides, R5, 205, Delta, Alpine, etc...

[@greg02cr]

Sauf que la 205 est et restera une légende !

[@GBGN4]

oui mais la 208 reste et restera une legende car il n y en a qu une et que loeb a l epoque a exploser le record de pikes peak de 1min30 et il a aussi l un des meilleurs temps a la monte de goodwood et il a gagner en 2014 quand il y etait

[@valentindiallo6642]

Incomparable, la 205 et la 406 t16 . Loeb dit lui même qu’il ne pourrait pas faire se qu’ils ont fait. La seul différence c’est l’époque . Aujourd’hui les jeune ne savent même plus régler une carbu . Leur voiture sont branchés à un pc pour gagner 40 ch a l’époque t’ouvrait ton moteur et tu savait se qu’il a été fait . Maintenant c’est que du Jacky. Et navrée mais pikes peak , c’est la 405 , route en terre , des couille , la main pour esquiver le soleil . Ça c’est l’histoire .

[@minutepapillon5060]

@@valentindiallo6642 haha j'adore ton commentaire Valentin !

@VY A.L.M c'est vrai, et on reprochait déjà aux voitures des années 1980 d'être "trop technologiques" en comparaison de celles des années 1960. On verra en 2030 ce qu'on dira ! En tout cas je fais pas le hipster, les voitures d'avant, c'est cool, les voitures actuelles, aussi ! Tant que ça va vite ça me branche !

[@romainbomy8218]

@@valentindiallo6642 Monsieur Vatanen ... !

[@johnqdoe]

The Peugeot 208 Pikes Peak was the best tarmac rally car ever created. It was driven by the best rally driver ever created. That record-setting lap was peak motorsport history. I don’t think things get any better than that.

[@DukeNuggets69]

French here, FYI Sebastien Loeb bought the 208 t16, so he can use it anywhere he wants whenever he wants

[@tomtellem]

That's so cool

[@yuanedo795]

So he now personally owns it?That's a cool thing

[@DukeNuggets69]

Yep, of course i guess it comes with a Peugeot technician team, but it's his that he can keep at his home

[@patalo299]

How much he paid for it?

[@blanco7726]

It’s not street legal

[@geraldlaurens6987]

La 205 Turbo16 est un must dans le genre et elle à démontré ça polyvalence c'est la reine de ça catégorie

[@samwisehuluberlu2210]

Pas vraiment. C'était la S4.

[@grosano95]

Peugeot was, is and always will be one of the Greats!

[@Vazin]

They were lucky to have Jean Todt as a team manager during Group B, he knew Audi was one hell of a threat...

[@augustortiz]

WBRos59 well, the race cars at least. Their sensible road cars are pretty terrible.

[@mikeygti8930]

Augusto O.R I agree, but they sell and thats what keeps manufacturers churning out epic race cars and specials.

[@Dragoneer]

“Peugeot was, is and always will be one of the Greats!” **coughs** >

[@phillyneveryoumind415]

@@Dragoneer that black eye is forever there in the peugeot catalogue..

[@eliaskhoury8576]

I love that 205 truly a legend in rally history and i think it might be harder to control then that 208 but besides that , very nice video👍🏻👌🔥

[@julien.d0854]

Les gens qui disent que la 208 n'as pas d'âme.. Sérieusement on parle pas d'une 208 GTI de série la.

[@videocharger97]

208 T16 whit they 850hp for a weight of 850kg it's my choice. Bye 205

[@awakenedleseveilles6463]

Jean Christian Duby 205 t16 champion de France de la montagne

[@tizi-jr3il]

205 for men, 208 for boys

[@jamespatagueule9013]

have you seen the 208 in Pikes Peak with Loeb ? I think it's not for boys

[@monculsurlacommode3238]

@@jamespatagueule9013 C'est une citation "WRC is for boys. Group B was for men." - Juha Kankkunen

[@Kennypce]

@@monculsurlacommode3238 WRC - 0.3 HP/kg, 205 T16 - 0.5 HP/kg, 208 T16 - 1.0 HP/kg. Yes, 208 is a fucking crazy beast, considering also much higher speed in corners. My favourite is of course S1 E2.

[@monculsurlacommode3238]

@@Kennypce 208 t16 is not a WRC car

[@MetallvmPT]

@@Kennypce thats wrong comparing 205 and 208 in a linear way...One was built purely for pikes peak, that means "smooth" tarmac only and alone...205 for rally. Place the 208 in a rally course vs 205...Youll see all that 208´s "speed in corners" wont help much in fact will be a disaster...thats also like comparing the audi S1 E2 to the AUDI S1 PP...

[@ldxtournetournerond6833]

Quand on voit ce dont les constructeurs généralistes français sont capables de faire en sport auto, j ai juste envie de leur dire: « ayez le même niveau d exigence pour la voiture de Mr Tout le Monde... ça élèvera votre crédibilité Vs autres marques internationales. Le marché automobile ne s arrête pas à la France ( pays autophobe ne voulant que de l électrique / monospace / ludospace...). Les autres nations aiment nos marques, ils attendent qu une chose de nos 3 marques nationales : l audace ! Osez bordel !

[@OdamaKamayuka]

En restant chez Peugeot, la nouvelle 508 est vraiment pas mal du tout, espérons que ça augure d'une belle génération de voitures un peu plus charismatiques pour la marque au lion.

Justement, la révolution électrique est au coin de la rue, pourquoi les constructeurs Français ne se retroussent pas les manches pour redevenir des pionniers ?

[@Legend-lc9bv]

I was saying wow flames from the old Peugeot but the newer one I was like no flames then 1:53

[@gasser6856]

i wasnt expecting so much of a difference but my reaction was literally just "oh my god! the 208 is immensely faster, like immensely faster"

[@rolandet]

well sure, it's has 30 years of development under it's bonnet 😀

[@npne1253]

power of downforce my friend

[@kipetrovitchi]

405 T16 for Pikes Peak

[@alejandrosanz661]

El 205 es un 205 lo mires desde el angulo que lo mires, se basa en un 205, el 208 ..... tiene 4 ruedas y ahí acaba el parecido por lo demas es un formula 1 con puertas, habria que compararlo con un formula 1 de la epoca del 205 y a ver que pasaba.

[@marconardi140]

La Peugeot 208 T 16 e una belva,🦁 poi guidata dal 9 volte campione del mondo🇫🇷 👑Sebastian Loeb👑🇫🇷 🥇🥇🥇🥇🥇🥇🥇🥇🥇Spettacolare

[@rubengonzalezfraguas4598]

Impresionante ... El primer tramo largo (no será ni un quilómetro) que se ve, el 205 lo hace en 11 segundos y el 208 Peak en 8...

[@vivienpoirot2993]

Ce n'est pas une 205 Turbo 16 Pikes Peak mais une de rallye. C'est celle que Michel Mouton a piloter au Tour de Corse en 1986

[@asmoth360]

Michèle svp, c'est une femme :p

[@AaronUnknownPerformance]

Shame the 205 isnt in group B spec here

[@davepotato101]

Be interesting to know what had the least restrictions group B or 80's pikes peak

[@julianv.5848]

INTERESTING COMMENT............? THE 250 HAS BECOME A LEOPARD, AND NOT THE TIGER, THE LEOPARD IS A GENIUS HUNTER AND SURVIVOR... NEVER TO BE SEEN?????? A TRUE SLEEPER.

[@AveragePootis]

@@julianv.5848 Tiger II is better, and Jagdtiger is better hunter ;)

[@hornetfred84]

La 208 a la puissance et la vitesse, la 205 à une âme 😎

[@eljeromino832]

Dire que ça été créé y a 35 ans ça me rend dingue

[@gaetbeatz5927]

la 208 a aussi une âme🙃

[@cometodescato]

Cette 208 a de quoi rentrer dans la légende, une vrai petite bombe

[@Videokeizah]

Both are horrendously fast and each of us would pee his pants in the navigator seat. The 205 is the legend.

[@svenschwingel8632]

I'd take the 205 in a heartbeat.

[@Fernandess118]

Both two are nice machine!!! 👌😊👍

[@javierc5096]

La competencia Pikes Peak, era mucho mejor, al menos para el público, cuando el camino era de tierra. Con el asfalto perdió mucha "espectacularidad". Hay un video de Ari Vatanen subiendolo ( en un Peugeot 405, creo) antes de ser asfaltado que es espectacular.

[@Riky16ful]

Peugeot 205 T16, lo mejor de la historia del Rally

[@marcgoodman4561]

And the 205 was banned for being too fast.... Go figure.

[@EmpanadaDeCaca]

The 205 is a legend, but you have to be out of your mind to disrespect a beast like the 208

[@alienabductor101]

Natural evolution at it's best. Can't say I'd pick one over the other, they're both great. Incredible machines. 👍 To be fair they should be both pikes peak editions... Just saying

[@the_awful_guitar_player6666]

effrayant la vitesse à laquelle ils negocient le parcours

[@luc7843]

205 the best

[@prestonmanor8953]

La 205 un mythe... une déesse des circuits

[@anderander1478]

the 205 is a real rally car, made in the time when all those powerful group b machines were fighting all over the world, with proffesional pilots and no electric help from nowhere, it was all turbo and two great hands to control the beast, besides, peugeot wan the 1986 year ....

[@Ry0_Saeba69]

Old 205 Have a Soul he talk look im going fast , 208 t16 .. no soul looks like a video game ...

[@jakemiller4291]

Like a grandfather with his wisdom and experience, and his grandson with his youthful vigor and energy

[@roberttaylor6075]

I think the 205 would or could be made to go a lot lot faster if he crashed his 205 getting parts is near on impossible where as the 208 parts even though its a special would be easier to make or get hold of. The 205 t16 is a priceless artifact and must be treated as such. Long live the greatest era in motorsports history even if its in books videos or just in our minds the 80s where the greatest time in history music cars and life in general.

[@daudikisakye]

Put that 208 rallye powerplant into the 205 t16...

[@angelobonissoni3165]

Carro lindo o 208. É uma canhão

[@phil-645]

Quelle pêche cette 208 !!!

[@farmerlamb2372]

Both very impressive, 208 insanely fast! But I'd rather the T16!

[@josgre547]

They both are t16

[@bojanstojanovic5465]

@@josgre547 205 t16 is the real deal.

[@hillclimbracingfan5821]

@@bojanstojanovic5465Both are real deal.

[@Séb0312-c4i]

875 chx 875 kg c'est une f1 la 208 t16 1,8sec 0 à 100kmh

[@tompog897]

That 205 noise 😏

[@t-55am2b5]

208 is driven by a different driver who obviously has much better control over the car, he isn’t afraid to enter the corners at higher speeds as we see in the video 208 also has a huge-ass spoiler and body kit that provides unbelieveable amount of downforce 205 is much lighter and would be a monster in the hands of a good driver

[@bojanstojanovic5465]

And a bigger turbo.

[@marcoman2219]

Elle ce défend encore bien la vieille 👊🤛 .

[@guillaumeb7660]

On apprend pas au vieux singe à faire la grimace 😉

[@senetaireluluenviree]

il ny a pas a dire ça envois sec

[@boggsty]

These old rally cars were built up from street cars. I wonder how much of the street car is left in the 208...

[@fubene5495]

I can tell you, its just 0. ^^

[@leemurray1641]

205 any day

[@giovanni7346]

La 208 va come il vento la turbo 16 non puo competere

[@TotoGeenen]

Modern rally cars just aren't exciting compared to the older ones

[@somedudebehindacomputer7392]

That's because they don't have as much power as the older ones used do

[@jonathanmimnagh8956]

I've seen the 205 T16 rallying in the flesh, gorgeous, always going to be my favourite.

[@schumi3319]

Elle marche encore bien cette petite 205 T16. Ces 2 voitures sont quand même rentrées dans la légende.

[@pauljohnson7382]

205 a driver's car, big balls offset advances in technology..👍

[@piovrasiciliana1244]

205 t16💪💪💪💪

[@catena744]

esatto la migliore

[@mr2gti]

If Mr Peugeot walked up to me with these two and said "Bonjour, which would you like uh he uh!?"... 205 T16 in a blink.

[@amroran627]

vive la 205 turbo16 je préfère la 205 t16 surtout que javais eu une 205 GTI 1.9 AVEC CARBU CET UNE TURIE

[@jamespatagueule9013]

jusqu'au platane !!!

[@sheitan6709]

La rallye marchait pas mal 👍🚗💨

[@kammomaking2475]

J'en ai eu une avec un moteur Mi16, bah ça patine en 3ème :D C'est n'importe quoi mais c'est juste trop bien

[@renzmartinrivera9720]

I would still take the 205, its legendary car back then.

[@JuniorColanzi]

would take both of them for a ride, completaly different mentallity on those, the 208 is a reccord breaker machine, the 205 is a rally legend with a proper manual gearbox, just perfect vehicles!

[@paulslavin1465]

Seen both of these luckily enough. Saw Loeb throught the 208T16 up Goodwood its difficult to think of a more vivid representation of sheer acceleration than thay thing

[@MiguelPerez-eh3on]

And the escudo ? XD

[@clement798]

C’est là qu’on vois toutes l’évolution apporter à l’auto

[@velo-funmotor8010]

pour reprendre une formule célèbre : ça c'est la Grosse Patate ;))

[@jonross545]

Proud to own a 1991 1.9gti that now lives in Charente Maritime with us and our husky Odin.Had the car for 16years up till now and have no plans to part with it any time soon. Will go with the 205 over it’s younger brother mainly because back in the 80s group B was the panicle of rallying. Here in France our “pug” turns more than it’s fair share of heads as we tour around the area.If you find one,buy it,without hesitation.Then you will know what it’s all about.

[@questaebenzinah2600]

To me it doesn't make sense: two very different categories, two different eras. Rally B vs Pikes Peak Unlimited... to me it's not a fair debate. I think with 405 T16 would be more reasonable...

[@LePerlashez]

Entre la 208 et la 205, je crois que je me retrouverai coincé comme l'âne de Buridan: d'un côté la technologie, la vitesse, la puissance et de l'autre l'histoire, la légende, le plaisir. Aaaah quel dilemme ....

[@johndeere3510]

La 205 pouvait être encore plus puissante que la 208, en baissant la régulation de la wasegate et en jouant sur l'avance, la 205 peut plafonner à 800/900ch. Et la vitesse aussi, la 208 ne va pas à plus de 250km/h, et certaines boîtes de rallye pour des rallye à grande vitesse était assez longues, et ça poussait à 230/240kmh à fond.

[@musiqueetchant]

INCOMPARABLE

[@GMV891]

Of course 208 is better... But spirit of 205 will Always be better 😊

[@IvanLopez-wm7dd]

208 is a Monster!!!!

[@paulhammersley4562]

205 everytime,

[@damianerenasgarcia6866]

Peugeot!!!!❤😆

[@Mystify73]

208 are boring and unexciting. The 2o5 T16 are populary of all times!

[@luisrizzo979]

Peugeot 205... es un auto echo por y para hombres y mantenia la forma del auto...., 208 auto de mujer.....!!! Ni forma de auto.... Malditos diseñadores modernos..!!

[@renjaveln9479]

THAT SOUND. Gotta love the 205...

[@styx7989]

la 208 t16 est équipée d'un wc sur le siege ... C'est la seule auto ou le pilote pose sa pêche à la première accéleration ^^

[@enricotortelli7256]

Macchine mostruose, gente ignorante che si mette dove non deve stare...come sempre

[@Meuh974]

Keep in mind the 205 have no power steering, no ABS, no traction control. :)

[@frankshelby7727]

Peugeot 205 wins🏆🏆🏆

[@ryansta]

Amazing to see the comparison. Original looks stunning as ever but then the 208 appears like a UFO stalking it down.

[@MrStrat01]

Peugeot 205 T16, the best rally car no doubt. Period

[@tringo1984]

205 turbo 16 tutta la vita 👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@keinoclarke4581]

i like the 205 as a collector item and for a Goodwood event to show the car. However if i am competing in the timed shootout, 208 all day.

[@craigywaigy4703]

205 t16 in rally spec v 208 t16 in road race spec(with aero package)! Not really fair, but I'd still take a 205! BTW I had a 180hp MI16 powered 205 once - drove like a motocrosser on 4 wheels, but did 45mpg+!!!!! :)

[@starquadchanel]

Le mec quand il est sortie de la 205 T16 "Putain je suis encore vivant !"

[@lokdok2236]

Even the 205 1.9 diesel is a Legend 😂 If you come to Gorges du Verdon, you'll see and feel why I say that ... Even if we are not very welcoming You're welcome ✌ (may to june .. august to october 🤫)

[@alejandrogalindez6242]

esa imagen del 205 esta ralentizada! !! el 205 del grupo B es mas maquina !!! son mas de 500 HP. a demás el otro auto parece ser pistero y no rally. ..

[@NeoGeoNinja81]

205 is probably driven with more restraint due to a healthy respect for it being irreplaceable if destroyed. Watch Group B WRC. The car is brutally rinsed back in the day. They just can't afford to do that with a 30 year old car now...

[@crazysofast7521]

Un sacré numéro cette 205 !

[@TheEtherea]

100kg weight difference and over 200hp difference makes it while interesting not really exciting. :/ 205 is still awesome to look at, good old days. Looks like an actual car, not a tube cage with plastic bodyworks.