Peugeot Partner EV 600 Mile Range Test

[@CF21LDB]

I remember commenting awhile ago that maybe you could try and get hold of a Berlingo to Road test and you got its brother, Awesome 👍

[@LeFrez]

Calling the seat a badboy got you a thumbs up. I'm really not sure what it is about watching a bloke drive a van but I really enjoyed this video. TBF I enjoy all the videos you and Kate do, probably because you're so enthusiastic about the subject.

[@Jamesandkate]

leroybrown777 thank you. Nice to hear some positive feedback. I've often thought it myself when I watch others driving their EV's what I could find interesting but they all seem to catch me. Have another one just being edited too, more Kate than me though 😊👍🏻

[@buzzardbrother1911]

I work with a Social Housing Landlord in North West England, we have had two of those vans for about a year. There have been some issues but overall they are working well. Nice video once again.

[@Jamesandkate]

Buzzard Brother I genuinely had no idea they existed until Jonathan contacted me. But they are a great van, and for local work they just have to be the best choice over a diesel. 😊👍🏻

[@georgehanson5406]

Hi James , great review as usual . I work for 1 of the Big 6 Energy Suppliers , and they were trialling this vehicle awhile ago now , but the range was simply not enough for the Emergency Service considering our vehicles are carrying close to maximum load . Great job fella .

[@Bardseyman]

Hi James. Thought you'd like to know that I went out and tracked one of these down, all due to your epic journey. Very much a hidden treasure, as like you I didn't even know they existed! Real world range from a rapid in mine is 60-70 miles on the motorway, but from 100% on a home charge driving around Cumbria 90 miles is easy and I've seen 110. Sits on the drive next to the wifes Zoe. Go and have a look at what I'm doing with it - facebook @LakesElectricDelivery and twitter @lakes_eco_van. Keep up the good work.

[@Jamesandkate]

That's amazing! We did actually see you on Facebook but we were unaware that it was related to our video, so that's great news! And good work for keeping the Lake District as it should be! We love that place. 👍😊

[@apsolltd]

Hi James another great video. The Tesla charger at Tebay services is one of the few roadster ones. Regards David

[@doubledutch13]

Nice to see Lancaster again, my first ever charge in my Tesla on the way home from delivery at Stockport. Nice memory 👍

[@TimKirkmt]

I think I've used the expression 'epic fail' on my trips too!! Great video james.!

[@V10PDTDI]

Hi I think that the tesla plug you saw was for the roadsters model.

[@Jamesandkate]

I think you're correct, spoke to someone afterwards who also said this :-)

[@SeamusLavery]

Tesla haven't made that many models, James :-) you should have been able to hazard a guess at the Roadster :-)

[@AndrewGoodladIchorus]

Peter (Alloam) has pointed out Forfar many times, Dundee Ice Arena is usually the best bet, but you have to eek the miles out a little more. Quite a lot of 43kW AC are only running at 17-22kW. Kinda glad to see, apart from the inconvenience it caused you, that even DC is having an issue. As it was infuriating being the only ones getting a slow speed, especially when they convert the AC to DC. I believe Peter is from Aberdeen.

[@Jamesandkate]

Andrew Goodlad thanks for the heads up. I went through some of Peters older videos and found it, he wasn't happy. It's very frustrating, but had I planned slightly better it would t have been a problem. Thanks for commenting 👍🏻

[@crashbox7130]

Might well see the van next time I'm down in Lerwick. I certainly enjoy the journey to/from Aberdeen down to the Midlands, but not done it in anything other than a petrol or diesel car. Don't think I could cope with stopping every 60 miles or so, as I usually aim for 180 mile stops.I'm waiting for EVs with a 200+mile range. Greetings from the Shetland Islands.

[@Jamesandkate]

Crash Box I think this van will be perfect on Shetland and reports from the new owner suggest he's more than happy. Sadly for that range it's still a Tesla, but next year that will change, also in optimum conditions the Zoe is near that figure. Thanks for commenting 😊👍🏻

[@crashbox7130]

Even though I have a post-war classic and a pre-war vintage car, my modern hack is a 2013 Golf TSI with the DSG 'box and adaptive cruise with autonomous emergency braking. An EV would have to have the ability to 'self drive' in stop/go traffic, like the Golf, to sway me, even though we don't get jams in Shetland. I'm getting lazy behind the wheel of a 21st-century car. LOL! I was very surprised by the fact the van is a 2yr old vehicle and only had delivery mileage. The next-gen Leaf looks promising. All the best.

[@Jamesandkate]

Crash Box I think it'll have to be a Tesla. I'm also getting lazy, I think it's down to my age 😊👍🏻

[@countteddy]

loved it . thanks for sharing your adventures .......

[@ScottishEVOwner]

Great video as always. Only thing I'd worry would be the state of the battery if it had been sitting there for two years but those rapids should help in that respect.

[@Jamesandkate]

Scottish Leaf Owner it did improve actually, gained an average of 10/15 miles per charge extra from beginning to end, and the speeds were better too, apart from Forfar, which I don't want to talk about 😳👎🏻 glad you liked it though. How's the editing coming on????

[@ScottishEVOwner]

Busy preparing for an interview so back to editing tomorrow. Was Forfar the council building one? Seems restricted to about 25kw. Never used it but met Chris there when he was charging, I was doing my rapid tour.

[@Jamesandkate]

Scottish Leaf Owner yeah it was. Seems common knowledge that this rapid isn't so rapid, and I didn't know about it 👎🏻 looking forward to the vids

[@buckegit]

SPOT the KIA SOUL EV in the Foreground where you slow the camera down too show your taxi :).... I own one, It's why I spotted it instantly. Only 2 Soul's over here in NI.

[@Jamesandkate]

buckegit I did see it actually 😊👍🏻well spotted

[@SeamusLavery]

Where are you in Norn Iron? I'm from Lurgan.

[@buckegit]

Seamus Lavery Castlerock, all the relatives live in Banbridge

[@buckegit]

Castlerock, Relitives all live in Banbridge.

[@SripalTAD]

nice review . electric vans are silent and easy to drive . I saw u slip streaming the crap out of it🚛🚐

[@Jamesandkate]

Sripal TAD thanks! Slip streaming is the way forward! 😂😂

[@christopherhamilton5557]

Great video as always! 😊😊😊

[@Jamesandkate]

Christopher Hamilton thank you 😊

[@dogphlap6749]

Lerwick, that's half way to Norway. Looks like the perfect van/vehicle for a Shetland Island. Did the 2015 have a smaller battery than the 2017 which has a 22.5kWh battery and a claimed NHTSA range of 106 miles (170km). Comparing the notoriously optimistic NHTSA estimate and your 83% for 55 miles (equates to 66 miles range for 100%) the difference seems extreme (but still plenty for a Shetland island). Perhaps I misunderstood.

[@Jamesandkate]

Dogphlap I think the battery size is the same, just some quote usable and others quote full capacity. I did manage 70 on one charge of 85% so the difference is vast depending on landscape, but as you said, Shetland is perfect for this van 😊👍🏻

[@RyanSargent]

I think the initial readings of the 50 or so miles was due to the newness of the van. Needed time to calibrate is my guess.

[@SripalTAD]

nice music choice, similar to Bjorn nyland

[@RWBHere]

Why can't a van like that be fitted with a genuine 250 mile battery? There _must_ be room under the floor for one. Many van drivers around here (Lincolnshire) clock up about that mileage in a day. That capacity would suit them to a T. Charging can be done overnight back at the office or at home, with only the occasional need for an en route top-up, or maybe one mid-point charge per day for those who make longer runs. Three or more charges per day is ridiculous. Nobody with a diesel stinker needs to refill several times each day.

[@bobhewitt1065]

Interesting Video. I've got a long journey coming up in a Smart ED (London to Cornwall). I'm a bit nervous as I've never used any of the charging stations on the route before and the Smart has quite a short range. Could you tell me what speed do you (did you do in the Smart you drove) drive at on the Motorway? A long time ago I borrowed a Leaf and in an attempt to nurse it home had to drive at 50mph on the motorway (quite a few people took exception to that ;-).

[@Jamesandkate]

Bob Hewitt hi bob, I hovered at around 60ish. Do you have the 22kWh charger installed????

[@bobhewitt1065]

Oh yes. I wouldn't have even considered it otherwise!!

[@Jamesandkate]

Bob Hewitt you'll be fine with that then! 👍

[@willdatsun]

These (and Berlingo) are almost impossible to find, when I phoned up dealers, they either didn't know they made them, or had never had one. Never did get to see one, and had to buy a Nissan E-NV200, which is okay in some ways but has many design fails.

[@MrPhillipgraham]

As a tradesman I am thinking of getting an EV van but atm the range is holding me back -50 miles range is just to low. I mean when it's fully loaded and with a roof rack, ladders etc how much will that reduce the range?! The Nissan e nv200 supposedly has a range of 110 miles but like I said that is unladen and on a good day? Maybe someone should test these vans with a full load and driving local roads with hills etc. cheers

[@Jamesandkate]

Phil Graham completely understand. Hopefully it won't be long before the better battery technology is available on these and other and other vans

[@MrPhillipgraham]

yes i agree, I will hold out until that time! Great videos by the way I enjoy watching them ;)

[@BischBaschBosch]

I'm with you there Phil. EV van releases and real world road tests have been slow in coming. I did chat to a bloke at a Nissan dealership a little while back and he informed me the 2018 ENV 200 have a bigger battery and 174 mile range. Couldn't buy one until 2019 though - at least not from that dealer!

[@phalimmaguire6069]

The 40kw nissan is out now but 22k + vat is a killer for a sole trader like me, I'm based in London and there are loads of charging places so I'm thinking even 50 miles range would probably not be a problem. Whats the life span of the batteries though does anyone know?

[@doubledutch13]

Alloam is from Aberdeen and your right, that unit is notoriously slow. Should have used Laurencekirk 😬 plus you passed the EV charging capital of Scotland, Dundee.

[@Tracks777]

Lovely content! Keep it up!

[@Jamesandkate]

Thanks

[@TymexComputing]

Can someone tell me how many rechargins were there en route? 5? P.S. i reported that instakilogram spam in these replies, bad things

[@spacegreycoralred]

James, does this van have battery management? That's a lot of rapid charging. My leaf would have overheated

[@mitchellboyd5256]

Was the Peugeot Partner/ Citroen Berlingo EV a factory built thing or did an independent company build them for Peugeot/Citroen?

[@Danse_Macabre_125]

it's made in factory alongside the diesel ones

[@jamesknightreading]

Do you ever do any mental calculations regarding speed/no. of stops required to charge? (Presumably driving slower gives you more range, so might get you to your destination quicker if you need one less charge?)

[@Jamesandkate]

James Knight yep, I do often ponder the figures but on the one occasion I decided to extend to the next charger I nearly came unstuck. Scotlands landscape isn't the best place to test an EV's range 😳 as I found out

[@buckegit]

I drive a Kia Soul EV. On the Soul FB world page I pondered this exact question. Of course there is always someone that has done the Maths. This guy apparently tests lots of EV's for this. He has tested for instance a RAV 4 EV. He calculated that the sweet spot for speed + Charging times on Chademo to 80% each time. Worked out at 72mph. This was based on covering 500 miles. You would reach your destination the fastest driving at 72mph.

[@DennisMathias]

egads no! Don't even think about anything other than a Tesla. Well, not right now anyway. But a good demo of the limited range of other vehicles. 50 miles..jeepers!

[@contactpeter8961]

Just a quick question, James. I think like me you film using an iPhone. I'm starting to investigate external mics, which I think you use a lot. Are they bluetooth, and what make/model? You need to get more sleep, you looked shattered when you started :)

[@Jamesandkate]

Contact Peter hi Peter! It was a very very long day! We have Saramonic transmitters and a Lavalier road mics. Hope you are well! 😊Kate.

[@folksinger2100]

London Bridge to Aberdeen Railway Station by Google map 538 miles. Which should take a conventional car full loaded at motorway speeds around 9 hrs, with 2 drivers thats with stops 10 hrs with each driver doing about 4.5hrs. How long did you take, and were you running loaded or light?

[@GlynHudson]

Nice video. How does the van compare to e-nv200? Which would you go for if you were in the market for a van / camper conversion project? :-)

[@Jamesandkate]

It would be the ENV for a camper, purely based on size. But this is still a great van :-)

[@GlynHudson]

But the partner has got a bench seat, this is suprising for the smaller van to have a bench. Size would be fine for my needs. Which van gets the best miles/Kwh and range. The Partner has a smaller 22Kw battery. Did your version have 7Kw Type-2 charger as well as Chademo?

[@islaws4589]

Was impressed with that - the range sounds about the same as my 24kw Leaf! Whats the battery capacity?

[@Danse_Macabre_125]

it's 22kWh

[@davidtooker5179]

I confirmed the TESLA charger you saw was for the roadster.

[@gordonmcmillan883]

That sort of range would be ideal around Lerwick, given the size of the island.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

So do you think the slow charge was due to the location or was the battery getting hot after all that driving? Mr Ramsey just got my money today, the crowdfunding thingyamabob was successful and they cashed out!!

[@Jamesandkate]

Jean-Pierre White the battery has thermal management so it maintains its temp really well. This particular charger is known to be slow sadly. On some others it was charging working 15 mins 😊👍🏻

[@Jamesandkate]

Jean-Pierre White thanks for sponsoring Chris and Julie, thats a great gesture 😊👍🏻

[@JeanPierreWhite]

James and Kate Ah interesting. didn't realize it had thermal mgmt. Pretty decent vehicle by all accounts. it looks increasingly like Nissan goofed by not providing thermal management for the LEAF.

[@Jamesandkate]

Jean-Pierre White yes they did, but the next gen has TM so if their old batteries without are anything to go by, the new ones will last forever 👍🏻

[@JeanPierreWhite]

Hadn't heard about next gen having TM, up to recently all I've seen is a picture of a headlight. Thanks for the info.

[@Peoplestariff]

Watching now :)

[@RWBHere]

And thanks for the interesting video!

[@stevedoughty3865]

hi james how come your electric was free? Thought you had to pay for ecotri

[@robsmith1a]

Penrith a bit hilly - understatement I'd say. I haven't managed any long motorway trips in the Zoe yet. I am guessing the best compromise motorway speed will be 56 mph slipstreaming trucks at a safe distance? I will obviously adjust my speed if my target consumption of 4.5 miles per kwh isn't being hit. The idea is to stop for 1.5 hours total on a 300 mile journey (leaving fully charged would be 185 miles range and then an hour and a half on rapid chargers would give me another 75% charge (138 miles). My car only charges at 22kw so I'd probably stop at Leicester where Ecotricity have 22kw chargers. All a bit scary because I haven't used any pay to use chargers yet and don't know if my cards or apps work! I find it reassuring that you go there given that the van isn't really designed for road trips. I guess doing the triathlons helps with the mental strength to do this sort of thing?

[@Jamesandkate]

Robert Smith Hi Robert, I think it's down to lack of planning and not over thinking it, and that I've reliably used the network for nearly 5 years and it's always improving. I think your Zoe would be perfect as you have so much redundancy built in to the bigger battery on your 40. I meant to ask how you've been getting on? When you're next doing a road trip be sure to let us know how you get on, and if you're stuck you can charge at ours. I've fully charged 2 Zoe's on our Tesla wall box, 1 22KWh and 1 41kWh, both problem free 😊👍🏻

[@robsmith1a]

James and Kate thanks for that. my Zoe is doing a bit over 200 miles on a charge if I take it easy in an urban environment and otherwise aboyt 185 miles in mixed driving and quite often doing short bursts at 70mph. it seems the way to get max regen is to brake moderately rather than coast, I now wish they had set the car up to allow heavy regen on lift off. I did one seven mile trip where the consumption suggested 240 miles range but that was basically 35 mph with very light traffic. I still like the car a lot.

[@Jamesandkate]

Robert Smith I drove one for a few days and have to say, it grew on me. It's definitely more refined than the older model, quieter and obviously goes further. I was aware that the q90 isn't performing to its max, so you probably made the right choice with your option. That's some really impressive range there, imagine it with a 60?? Thats would be some serious range 😊👍🏻

[@georgehanson5406]

Hi Robert , good to hear Zoe is serving you well . The IONIQ is doing me proud also , did 101 mile trip to Portsmouth last week and still had 61 miles on the GOM . I am yet to push it to it's limits , but doing very well so far . The NEDC range sounded a bit of a stretch , but I reckon under the right conditions , without endangering personal safety , it's certainly possible . All the best fella .

[@robsmith1a]

Cheers George, pleased the Ioniq is doing so well. Imagine that with a larger battery capacity.

[@filipmartinov6403]

How much KW has the aggregate of the model tested

[@markhpman]

trouble is .by the time you've stopped all the time at garages and spent lots of dosh on their overpriced coffee sarnies etc.its cheaper to run a diesel/petrol car.

[@stephenclay6852]

Hello James how much did it cost to do the trip

[@Jamesandkate]

Stephen clay Hi Stephen, all electricity was free. Food and coffee about £25. Flight back was originally £70, train was £140.

[@stephenclay6852]

James and Kate thanks for that . I enjoy the reviews you do.thinking of going the Ev route when our contract is up on our current car a Kia Soul diesel auto.we will try the soul Ev when this goes in for its next service.

[@Jamesandkate]

Stephen clay excellent news, and the Soul EV is ace, one of our favourites. Let's us know how you get on

[@SripalTAD]

I think it's a destination charger for tesla roadster

[@craigevans6156]

Sounds like you had a close call there to get home. Drop me a note next time your in Aberdeen and we can put you up or at least give you a meal and a shower to freshen up. Ciao Craig

[@Jamesandkate]

Craig Evans cheers Craig, thats a very generous offer. Bad planning on my part on this occasion. Should t be long and I'll be back up there. Jonathan is shifting plenty of EV's 😊👍🏻

[@craigevans6156]

If you speak to Johnathan, he has my email and phone details. We're about 15mls west of Aberdeen. Hope to have a Zappi charger sometime soon.

[@Jamesandkate]

Craig Evans I met with Jordan on Orkney, great product they've produced, I hope it's a real success. When I'm back up I'll speak to Jonathan, thank you 👍🏻

[@jur4x]

I can imagine thoughts of someone turning up for a charge, and it's occupied by a van "Bloody hell! I've been ICEd by another gashole! oh, wait... nope, it's EV, false alarm!" did you had to sell any of your organs to get a train ticket for all the way down from there?

[@Jamesandkate]

jur4x I did ponder that, but it never happened sadly. I think because most of the Journey was at night. The train back wasn't cheap 😳 but my bad planning, the last bad planning I do

[@jur4x]

And it took couple of hours longer :) Great van though. It's exactly the type of EV I would be looking for - simple and not overengineered. Simple easy to read dials, no distracting screens around etc. And there was no keyless entry either, was there?

[@Jamesandkate]

jur4x no keyless option, just remote, but as you said, not over engineered and not over complicated. Tradesman aren't going to be keen on complications

[@jur4x]

I'm not exactly a tradesman, but I like things simple. My car is 14reg Seat Ibiza 1,2l TSI manual. It has aircon and cruise control and automatic wipers and lights. But rear windows are not electric, and aircon is manual. And the only problem with it - it's not EV. My first car was Seat Mii (which actually is available as EV, but under slightly different name), and it was pretty basic as well. And you know, for £8000-9000 you can find quite a lot well-equipped second-hand cars out there. And I don't see anything wrong with a physical key that has to be inserted into "ignition" (yes, I know it's wrong terminology in case of electric car).

[@mysurlytrucker7510]

pugs rock.

[@nigelweir3852]

What if you have a partner

[@JonathanPorterfield]

tesla charger at tebay is for the roadsters!

[@Jamesandkate]

Jonathan Porterfield never knew that, but it does show Tesla's commitment from a very early stage 😊👍🏻

[@nigelweir3852]

Met Guy driving one of these ,seemed to love it , range poor , ok for Island

[@Jamesandkate]

Nigel Weir range is definitely a downside for a lot of people. Fingers crossed it'll improve very very soon!

[@jimgoodwin6294]

Think I’ll buy that V8 Mustang....

[@MegaProtius]

just not meant for long distance am thinking ...rather you than me....better would be to show versatility small town deliveries etc.50 miles still just seems to low :( i think a waste of your valuable time ..sorry to be bit down

[@Jamesandkate]

Christopher Wain that's cool, it's an opinion and a valid one. I think town driving is definitely more suited to this van and would give a better range. I'd be interested to speak to the owner after a few no the to see how he's getting on 👍🏻

[@Jamesandkate]

Paul Carlson that's commitment 😊👍🏻 good effort

[@nigelweir3852]

What if you have a cat or a fish?

[@Jamesandkate]

Nigel Weir there is a seat configuration for everything! 😂

[@jackj.l0084]

By 2019 500miles on a charge will be the norm

[@Danse_Macabre_125]

nope lol

[@Dunkelzeitgeist]

Sadly not even in 2022

[@bendixon2898]

Power nap while charging

[@wonderingwhy9597]

You ruined your video by having to get a taxi the 500 meter walk from the north-link vehicle drop off point to train. Was there a reason you took the back streets round Aberdeen instead of the direct route. Till that it was a good real life usage of the van.

[@jhg-lm8fb]

This video is such a disappointment. I drive a v8 Cadillac because it is quiet. Im thinking that perhaps a ev mght be quiet so im scrolling through KZbin to find a test of a ev boxcar where i can hear the road noise but for some reason you chosen to destroy silence with nonsense talk and music. You have to rethink if you really are environmentally friendly because you destroy silence with talking nonsens of no value. If you had recited un human rights or conveyed facts about the car would have brought a value instead of messaging you not intelligent enough schedule your time. Speech is silver, silence is golden.

[@TymexComputing]

Can someone tell me how many rechargins were there en route? 5? P.S. i reported that instakilogram spam in these replies, bad things