PFF is CRAZY! Jared Goff is Ranked Where Among QBs?

There is a new QB ranking article on PFF.com from Trevor Sikkema and it's very disrespectful to Detroit Lions Lions QB Jared Goff. Tune in to see how Morgan and Meko react to where JG falls on this list and where they believe he should actually be ranked in comparison to the other QBs in the NFL.
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[@MarkLeBay]

At the end of the 2022 season, PFF ranked the Lions’ OL at #21 for Pass blocking, and #9 for run blocking (the OL was injury riddled in 2022). After the Lions traded away Hockinson, Goff’s only top ten pass catcher on the team was Amon Ra. Goff still produced top five numbers in 2022. Bottom line: Goff does more with less supporting talent around him than just about any of the other top producing QBs in the league. No QB in the league has been more productive over the past 45 games than Jared Goff - and he’s been productive with fewer weapons around him than The 49ers have, or Miami, or Dallas, or the Eagles ...

[@RafiqWashington-tx7id]

Goff had a top 3 offense last year. If you go by stats the year before they will definitely mislead you

[@MarkLeBay]

@@RafiqWashington-tx7id I bring up 2022 because that was a year where Goff didn’t have an elite offense around him, and he still led the Lions to be a top three offense. Goff led the top three offense again in 2023, but the pieces around him were better.

[@RafiqWashington-tx7id]

@@MarkLeBay 2023 he had the best o line. The best running back tandem in the league and a top 10 wr and te receiving group. He also has the best offensive coordinator in football. He had 2 all pros and at least 6 players that were pro bowlers before on the offensive side of the ball. He still wasn't rated as top 5 qb last year by anyone. If he was show me who rated Goff in the top 5? We know stats can be misleading. I love Goff but I'm honest about his situation

[@MarkLeBay]

@@RafiqWashington-tx7id I don’t care what others are rating Goff. I rate Goff at 5 - 8 among QBs based on his production and play on the field relative to the supporting talent around him. Over the final seven games of 2021 and throughout 2022 Goff had far less *_healthy_* talent around him than most other top producing teams, do you deny that? Look at the skill players on the Eagles, Dallas, 49ers, and Miami ( among others) compared to what the Lions had healthy in 2022. And why does Ben Johnson get so much credit? What has Johnson accomplished without Goff? The Lions are basically running the same offense Goff was perfecting with the Rams in 2018. Goff has picked-up from where he left off with the Rams in 2018, now with more experience and control over calling plays at the LoS.

[@RafiqWashington-tx7id]

@@MarkLeBay So you don't care what professionals who evaluate QB'S say. Your a lion's fan and you don't have any background in evaluating right? So anyone should just go off of what you say? Ok got it

[@superstafford09]

Only reason Goff isn’t ranked higher as a QB is because of the mindset in the culture. If you’re not a flashy athletic running/scrambling QB, good luck being ranked high as a QB in this present time.

[@mfirstchoice]

Don’t care about rankings I just count the wins

[@florida1289]

Goff us a top 5 or 6 QB on that list. Goff is an elite QB thats going to win us at least 1 SB maybe more.

[@i2308Matt]

Goff has more Playoff wins than all on the list but 2 QB’s so there’s that also

[@user-bk6uu5hu6o]

He’s also had a better team

[@jeremyzier8706]

People are still hedging their bets waiting for the return of bad Goff and SOL, so they can do an "I told you so," lap. I say keep giving Dan the bulletin board material. More fuel for the fire to burn down the league in 2024.🔥💪🦁💙

[@kenmcwise1776]

💯🎯

[@rta3738]

PFF has a bunch of Tools, just not sure how useful they are.

[@devinbender8428]

Pff is great for looking at raw stats. All their metrics they use can be skewed one way or another. Like passer rating and QBR. Goff is lower because he doesn’t throw a lot of TDS. But thats because they have an elite running game in the redzone. So never look at metrics or grades or scores. Look at the hard data

[@rta3738]

Herbert is rated high for potential and Rogers high for past deeds. Seems like criteria is fashioned to match Sikkema’s prejudice towards particular QBs. If judgments were based on who can take you to the Super Bowl, Prescott, Herbert and Rogers should not be in the top ten. Would you really want Herbert over Stafford in 2024? Give me a break.

[@lions562000]

Ben Rothesberger is better than Rodgers. Rodgers was just lucky against the lions, and they got all the calls.

[@kenmcwise1776]

Ranking injuried players and rookies ahead of Goff is ridiculous. If you say you rank by lifetime achievement you can’t put a rookie ahead. If you’re ranking by one year performance, you can’t put a player on IR ahead of him. If it simply performance for the pst two years, he’s better than all but 4 or 5 QB’s. He’s definitely above Dak, rookies and IR QB’s. Obviously Tamp Tre didn’t look at PFF’s ratings in 2023 because Goff was top ten in all QB categories, top five in several. This is just another nail in PFF’s objectivity/subjectivity argument. They are not objective. There is bias in Trey

[@baileypb1790]

Goff is criminally underrated and don’t see that changing until he wins a Super Bowl. And maybe not even then - I can see his credit being downplayed

[@richardkeirn866]

PFF is lacking in assessing the intangibles that can be the difference between existing as a journeyman or being a franchise quarterback. Leadership, character, and the ability to inspire the best performances from his teammates is what makes Goff a Detroit Lion. Trevor should Re- watch the end of the Lions-Bears game and then try to explain his rankings.

[@blueandsilver6060]

I have no problems with Goff at 16. Ben Johnson, Sean McVay, our Oline and Run game makes Goff look much better than he is. Also watch his passing numbers go down with a better defense this year

[@vr654]

Articles aside, PFF is objective data based rankings. Theres no arguing\debate. Its their scale and set of data and it is used by every NFL team in some way. Gotta take it for what it is, no reason to get upset about it at all.

[@devinbender8428]

Goff the last 3 seasons 2nd in INT% 7th in Success rate 5th in Sack% 9th in passer rating 8th in on target throws 5th in 20 yard+ play% 5th in Turn Over % 2nd in Adjusted Comp% (excludes Drops, throw aways and spikes) Sounds like top 10 to me

[@kenmcwise1776]

Last three? He’s higher if you look at last two. That first season he had an OC that got “Benched” and absolutely no one to throw the ball to until Reynolds showed up.

[@devinbender8428]

@@kenmcwise1776 oh i agree. Just being fair across the board to not inflate him too much. But absolutely! Dude is a top 10 QB. Hands down.

[@biteme-rz3ws]

@@devinbender8428 he's outside the top ten in QBR, PFF score, and has the worst QBR under pressure in the entire NFL. Under pressure and or non structured plays he's the worst QB in the NFL.

[@povertyspec9651]

Glorious Chiefs fan here. The only team that makes me nervous is Detroit.

[@i2308Matt]

Mahomes didn’t have stats good enough to be in a tier of his own. The Chiefs defense has a lot to do with that championship. Goff is a top 10 QB period

[@i2308Matt]

Purdy isn’t a top 10 QB either. He is on a team with a top 3 defense and a bunch of offensive weapons also

[@lions562000]

Ok, PFF isn't a great debate. Let's talk about OTAs because that's what really matters now. What's really happening with the lions. Ok OTAs are here. What are you hoping to see this off season and do you have any surprises that we might not think about. Here are my crazy thoughts. Some may come true but Im good with being wrong. I want to see on Defense 1) Jack Campbell. Is he going to break out this year and take over the defensive leadership. I have been high on him and think he is better then AA. He plays downhill a lot more then AA and i think his coverage gets better this year. 2) Branch move to Safety and Iffy starts next to him with kirby being a backup. 3) Who's the best CB out of the 4 guys. I personally think Davis and Robertson will start, and Arnold should be the starting nickle with Rackstraw backing the CBs up. With Mosley when he gets healthy. Can always move branch to nickle on 3 safety looks and bring in kirby. If something happens to Arnold or he steps up his game and pushes out one of the other CBs sometime throughout the season. This would give Arnold an easier path to learn the defense without getting beat by guys like JJ, Allen, DJ and many others that we have to face this year. But i know they are looking the other way with Rack and Arnold. I just think his physicality is going to make it hard for him at CB right off the bat. Almost like Okudah had a problem with. Put him inside where he has help over the top by the single high safety. 5) Edge. Who is going to take the edge opposite Hutch. Is it going to be by commity with davenpot and Paschal on running downs and Betts and Houston on passing downs or us someone going to take the lead role and not let go. Offense 1) Jamo. Is he going to be a chase/hill type guy or is he just a wr on the team. I think he will take the step this year and push for an all pro status. He is just to explosive once he gets the ball in his hands and I feel he is going to be targeted a lot more. 2) O Line. How dominating is it going to be, and who steps up as a backup when guys get hurt. 3) Hooker. How does he look? Can we put him in on goalline and short yard situations. Have a Running qb at times where defenses have to prepare for something completely different then Goff drop back. Makes it easier for Goff and gives us a weapon that other teams have to prepare against. Because we have Goff we dont really have to worry about him getting hurt either. 4) Gibbs, do they put him in the slot more and have him and mont in, together. Give him fly sweeps and a reverse, as well as hitting him on crossing routes. Why take him out of the game. Let the boy play. He can be the number 3 WR when Mont is in an RB. Then, he can still get his touches at RB. Remember, he is a weapon, not an RB. These are my thoughts. Tell me what you think or if you have anything different.

[@jeffmarshall1015]

It would sure nice if what your sharing on the screen wasn't blurry. Can we get this fixed going forward fellas

[@stevenbaffy7937]

I loved Stafford when he was a Lion, but he tapped out, he is a Ram now, and I am a Lions fan. Stafford's days in Detroit are over, he made his bed he can go sleep in it. Goff is my guy. Jar-red Goff Jar-red Goff Jar-red Goff!

[@rolandodase9662]

Outside of Patrick, let's go to stats and body of work

[@user-bk6uu5hu6o]

I don’t see anything wrong with what they said. He’s not great or elite he’s supported by elite talent

[@rolandodase9662]

Objective... how do you put a qb in front of JG when he beat them

[@marvelnolan7522]

I like Goff but he's not better than any of the guys ranked ahead of him. The group of Goff, Love, Purdy, Tua, Cousins, Lawrence, and Kyler should be in the same tier. These are all the same guys. Put a good team around them and they can win. Not a SB, but they can win you a playoff game. Thats good enough for Lions fans (for now)

[@mgp612986]

Josh Allen IS a freak of nature, but he also throws a lot of turnovers also.

[@Djturnt]

There is no such thing as a turnover worthy play you either turned it over or not thats a stupid thing on its face

[@peterz22thomas5]

Amon-Ra is great but Raymond, Reynolds, Jamo....all mid. When Goff is right, which is the majority of the time, he has pinpoint accuracy. And he has the balls to throw between 6 Defenders.

[@tylerborglin5215]

Sorry, jamo and reynolds are not mid. Definitely agree with the overall sentiment but to say they’re mid is dumb

[@RafiqWashington-tx7id]

How do we know how good Jamo is if Goff can't get the ball to him? He always under throws him

[@silent1759]

​@@tylerborglin5215both of those guys are indeed mid. Jamo doesn’t even have 500 receiving and he's going into his 3rd year. Reynolds has never got over 700 receiving yards. So yes outside of st the room mid at best

[@silent1759]

​@@RafiqWashington-tx7idChark, cooks, watkins, and Raymond have no troube connected with goff. Thats 4 recievers that have jamo speed. So its obvious who the issue is in that connection.

[@RafiqWashington-tx7id]

@@silent1759 He's much faster than they are that's. Go back and look at the deep throws yourself and see that even on TD's that they were under thrown

[@Oh_deer777]

i'm sorry but a QB who has been to 1 super bowl and was a field goal away from making a 2nd super bowl and who is coming off statistically his best season is not middle of the pack. every stat suggests he's at least a top 10 qb and really closer to a top 5 qb. you really have to use some mental gymnastics to say he's just "middle of the pack". because really, start looking at who he's being compared to. also i really don't like that they include aaron rodgers on the list at all because right now he can literally be a top 3 qb or a bottom 3 qb right now. we just don't know.

[@Morthoron1]

It doesn't matter what Goff does. He could bring a Super Bowl to Detroit for the first time in history, and know-it-all douchebags will say he won due to the team around him. It is what it is. Get used to it. But if he does take the Lions to a Super Bowl, fuck everyone else. It doesn't matter.

[@josephtubiolo7942]

Goff has better numbers than dak, hurts, herbert, lawrence, cousins, Tua, love and stroud. Hes also virtually stat for stat even with stafford since the trade exceot stafford has a SB but that team was arguably way more stacked than goff has had here yet. Goff is a top 10 QB lol anylitics says so. The eye test also says so

[@marvelnolan7522]

Ask any fan of any of the teams QBs you mentioned would they rather have Goff or their guy, the answer would be NO. Maybe Tua or Cousins, and that's about it. I'm sure some Lions fans would take Dak, Stroud, Herbert and a few others over Goff right now

[@user-bk6uu5hu6o]

Ppl get mad when ppl can see Jared isn’t that good

[@echo4wiskey800]

Jared Goff is mid.... All those QBs ahead of him are really better than Goff, Goff is just in a better situation than those QBs... All those QBs would have great success as well in this Lions Offense.... Get over it Lions fans, Goff is mid... We are not winning because of Goff, and that is ok!

[@visionstealth7827]

Man buddy really wanted hooker so let’s bash the QB was better than Stafford ever was.

[@PrideofDetroit]

But not all of those QBs having success in their own situations. If you want to say his skill set is not as diverse or mid than fine you’re right about that, but he’s gotten more out of his ability than several of those QBs listed above him.

[@RafiqWashington-tx7id]

@@PrideofDetroit Yeah because situations matter and I don't think none of the other qb's have better situations than him. I love Goff but I'm being honest. He played with 2 all pros last year and played with at least 6 pro bowlers on the offensive side of the ball. Has maybe the top OC in football and arguably the best GM

[@chrishoyt7882]

How is it that people keep forgetting that football is a team game, not a quarterback game. Smh.

[@i2308Matt]

You aren’t even remotely correct.