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Timestamps
0:00 Intro
2:15 Nightmare Incursions, Why do people either hate or love them?
7:00 Sunken Temple Overtuned?
10:07 QoL Changes

[@MetaGoblin]

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[@michaelderouen8144]

What did you mean while you wait for TBC classic to come out? Is there another server thats still set in old world content waiting for TBC to go live? If so which one is it?

[@neverclevernorwitty7821]

Honestly, incursions really killed any desire for me to play SOD. Trivially leveled to 50 doing a mindless no kill loop. I was already pretty close to Gnomer BIS. The two main runes for this phase were trivial to obtain. Now what remains? Raid logging for ST and maybe do alts? Phase 1 was too long, phase 2 felt too short. We had to merge with another guild to have enough for ST, now not sure if its worth it. The treadmill became so obvious I went to Wrath to relive some good memories. SOD started interesting, but now totally feels like a retail treadmill. Feels like a total bust and heading into summer I think I'd rather touch grass.

[@MrExitboon]

Same story for me brother. I decided to start touching grass as well.

[@ryangraper]

See ya!

[@MrExitboon]

@@ryangraper 👋

[@brobb11]

Even with incursions, you can quest, you can dungeon, you can dungeon grind, you can pvp farm, you can do all the same chit you could've before they implemented it. I'm loggin on cause I like this version of wow, you don't, all g. Play era or HC if you don't like this. Leave this iteration of new ideas alone.

[@RichSmithson]

Phase 1 was awesome. The magic is gone for me now tho.

[@vytis47]

why couldn't they just copy turtle WoW and make it fancier.

[@kerokupo]

because the devs have to prove their value to their management, so they have to try something new. copying means they would get fired bro

[@RichSmithson]

All they had to do was remake raids and dungeons and they had a hit on their hands. Not PVP and PVE events that are awful to grind.

[@vivawarrior8397]

​@RichSmithson the more they messed with classic the worse it would become. The Devs are really out of touch

[@Psilocybin77]

Cause TWoW is a dumpster fire?😂. Enjoy the Trojan the installer puts on your pc. Also “torta” aka sheena is known for selling gold and personal information.

[@Balloonbot]

@@kerokupo Huh? Maybe because they have different ideas, and would rather provide something that doesnt already exist. I get its fun to shit on Blizz - but you cant keep copying and pasting this sentiment for everything

[@k1ller1nc]

I feel that at this point its more of a retail minus instead of classic plus.

[@Giggles4692]

Agreed. SOD phase 1 = amazing. -making the world matter is what made classic so great -making SOD also fun for casuals is amazing to bring new players in -should be automatically out of World pvp after death for 48hours with option to join back in town. If everyone is in world PvP but you only die once every couple days, that keeps the excitement while making it not annoying. #BestofBothWorlds Phase 2 = meh -People want to play medieval fantasy, not immersion breaking steam punk by being forced to play gnomeregan -Easy raids for BIS while hard content only rewards cosmetics, would allow people to play hard content optionally instead of hard raids ending casual guilds -Dungeon should only give XP the first time they’re done to encourage more fun varied game play -Quest drop rates in the slowest zones could be improved to make quests feel less grind-y and more fun Phase 3 = terrible -Making the world obsolete by making fastest XP gain from redoing the same thing over and over again is boring. -Clearly, Dueling League and Rated BG’s should be added, while separated main queue and full team group queue

[@jamescoverdale7847]

Summoning stones are overdue, they would wipe out the bots from Summoning

[@kalsizzle]

No thanks. It would make warlocks useless. We already have summoning closets that other groups can use anyways.

[@troydenbrum2979]

@@kalsizzle found the warlock that does 0 damage

[@kalsizzle]

@@troydenbrum2979 I could show you my 99 parses but I won't bother. Summoning is part of the warlock class identity and I think Blizzard realizes this since they chose not to add summon stones which were in Season of Mastery already.

[@vicRobertson]

some may be bots but there are those who are not, crazy how you whine over a fucking feature, get good kid

[@chainclaw07]

@@kalsizzle so... not only the beefiest dps but able to tank like champ... but everyone needs to have no form of traversal because Warlocks are supposed to summon? grow up

[@mikaelboileau9853]

Blizzard doing a speedrun to kill every version of there game so fast

[@cstu6864]

god forbid they try something new right

[@ondore]

New and Original does not mean good ​@@cstu6864

[@matthewstewart5852]

I mean if you want to play Classic era its there... go play it...

[@Midgaardsorm-ob8je]

it is a seasonal server so it will be deleted. Why make it so hard and slow?

[@evildark940]

​@Midgaardsorm-ob8je it will not be deleted they will put the character on a permanent realm. They've already said that

[@outriggerunderground]

I keep logging in hoping I'll have fun. then just logging out after 10 minutes

[@marv4312]

Same Here man

[@Giggles4692]

Cata has fun pvp. Bummer that PvE is bad without guild, but now PvE in SOD and Cata is only fun if you have guild and ignore incursions. So fun is still possible.

[@WaffleHouse247]

I’ve been playing since 2007 and this is more like retail. We have seen Blizzard do this before and 2 days into phase 3 I knew what their goals were. I cancelled my account and hope they can somehow miraculously prove us wrong and release a fresh revamped Classic. To those who are enjoying SoD keep it up and hope yall enjoy the future phases and raids!

[@tusiranjekupanje1421]

I am old school player and i never touched retail,i am having fun in sod and im not feeling like i play retail

[@shoeby9273]

Been playing vanilla pservers since I quit in WoD. Even at launch Classic just felt like retail emulating an older version of the game, because that's what it is. Now Classic Era, the only "vanilla" version of the game available, is filled with boosting, flyhacking, RMT, and even animations and design choices from later version of the game. It's the same garbage that 343 Industries did with their Master Chief collection. Some people just want to play the game as it was then, not a poor representation with your own shit shoehorned into it.

[@Giggles4692]

Should be no experience gain after the first time you do anything to encourage more fun varied gameplay. Doing something over and over again like same dungeon or incursions is extremely boring, which is what makes retail also have a terrible new player experience.

[@Lulser]

Did it pay off? My whole guild unsubbed and quit. It paid off.

[@cstu6864]

whyd they quit? because a different method for leveling instead of grinding the same dungeon 40-50 was introduced? give me a break lol

[@Me0wish]

@@cstu6864 Now you can act exactly like teh bots do just following the same route to pickup items and repeat until 50. Interactive gameplay

[@cstu6864]

@@Me0wish if you think about it, the way people leveled in the past, by spamming the same dungeon, is bot-like game play too. Run the same route, the same dungeon, reset, and do it again.... for HOURS. Never in the real world, only with a group of 3-4 other players. The players will always take the path of least resistance. Honestly kudos to Blizz trying something new, seeing that it wasn't working how they thought it would, and implementing the change to bring the method in line with other leveling methods.

[@Me0wish]

@@cstu6864 yah but now incursions is the only viable method due to gold inflation caused by incursions. its an easy 10-30g per loop including selling excess skins etc. Loops are like 5-10 mins if you do kill quests. People not doing incursions are being priced out of the game

[@Tiemooo59]

The worst thing is that it destroyed the economy because people who did this brain dead run a circle shit from start on got insane amounts of gold so consumables are basically impossible to buy for people who leveled with questing ( normal quests not this dumb invasion shit) or dungeons. Consumables were always expensive at the start sure, but this time is the first time I couldn’t afford the good consumables week 1 even when I played like all day long… these nightmare trash feels like retail world quests, it sucks.

[@pain0fsalvation]

Only took me the first 24 hours of this phase to know that the game is broken and drop the game even when i have almost a month left in my sub, Even i was online at the release of this phase, but i dont mind. It seems this phase is for 0.1% of tryhards that raidlogging from the next week. GG Blizzard, you give me a reason to drop the game and feel comfortable with this decision.

[@RichSmithson]

The tryhards are killing the game as much as blizzard. I wish they would just stop supporting Warcraft logs.

[@Elysian777]

When they flip to designing the game for streamers instead of the rest of us.

[@Giggles4692]

There is an easy way to appease casuals and try-hards: by making BIS gained from only easy raids then making hard content that only reward cosmetics, so people can enjoy hard contact while hard content is not mandatory. I’m shocked they have not implemented this obvious solution.

[@jeffro512]

Season of Incursions has made it very difficult to get dungeon groups and the world feels empty - not a fan.

[@cstu6864]

wouldve felt the same wihtout incursions because people would just be in dungeons leveling instead. at least with incursions you can see the thousands of other players in the same zone on your layer

[@Giggles4692]

@cstu6864 Should be no experience gain after the first time you do a dungeon to encourage more fun varied gameplay. That is an easy way to make leveling fun. Agreed that Doing something over and over again like same dungeon or incursions is extremely boring, which is what makes retail also have a terrible new player experience. I am shocked they have not implemented the obvious answer to stop XP gain after first time in each dungeon/incursion. Would easily make leveling fun. .

[@IL0VeHerForever]

Can you please tell me where I can get your warlock weak aura pack that’s in the middle of your screen

[@PheonixT-ki8rx]

Most disagree about SoD being Classic Plus. Its more like Retail Minus. Its actually becoming full retail we do NOT want this garbage. The huge drop in players each phase also proves this.

[@cstu6864]

how is it becoming full retail lol

[@Midgaardsorm-ob8je]

There are more players now in phase 3 than it was in phase 2. So many dropped of there at lvl 40 and now are back after 1-2 months of the game!

[@Giggles4692]

Should be no experience gain after the first time you do anything to encourage more fun varied gameplay. That is an easy way to make leveling fun. Agreed that Doing something over and over again like same dungeon or incursions is extremely boring, which is what makes retail also have a terrible new player experience. I am shocked they have not implemented the obvious answer to stop XP gain after first time in each dungeon. Would easily make leveling fun. .

[@YOUTUBE_CHRIS]

I don't know about y'all, but as a new player, I'm having fun questing and even running dungeons with lower lvl friends, just to see what they are

[@brandonwilson4740]

The game is whatever you make of it. There are many different ways to level. Dont mind the people whining. They could never be satisfied. They can't accept that its a seasonal server and an experiment at that. They can't accept it for what it is. They pretend they only pay their sub fee to play sod when they were already playing other versions and got this one as a bonus.

[@raysantana7223]

With ya brodi !

[@MikeyPaper]

​@@brandonwilson4740 Agreed! Make the most of it :) Im having fun leveling.

[@rodbell5225]

You're having fun because you're a new player - you have no idea how good WoW actually is supposed to be when done right

[@evildark940]

​@brandonwilson4740 I pay my sub for only sod I haven't played for more then a week straight any time before I reactivated my sub for any other expansion or version. Many people play SOD only.

[@Elmo1191]

Talking about any sort of "leveling experience" in SoD past Phase 1 is just laughable. Level-banded content release destroys the leveling experience of WoW way faster and more drastically than expansions ever did. Most people in Phase 1 did most of their quests for gold at 25 and so the leveling experience in Phase 2 was dungeon-grind SM to start with, then realize how expensive the epic crafting patterns were, so you wanna save questing for gold at 40, so you just stay in SM. It would have been the same shit in Phase 3, but with ZF instead. And to "have fun" and go questing means you also either have time and desire to farm gold, or you simply get to play the game broke. It was 100% the coorect decision to do Incursions and nuke the "leveling experience" 40-50 in SoD, because it was gonna suck ass anyway. That's why people feel like SoD is retail... We were all very happy with level-banded content in phase 1 when it was easy to level. Now, 2 phases later people wonder why the leveling experience in SoD is nothing like classic... well, it's not because of incursions, that's for sure! Now, for their Classic+ server (which they will deffinitely do eventually), they have to rework this feature. But in Classic+, we will hopefully start at lvl 1 with lvl 60 max and we'll get to have an actual leveling experience. So then it will make sense to make it daily or weekly even.

[@Giggles4692]

Should be no experience gain after the first time you do anything to encourage more fun varied gameplay. That is an easy way to make leveling fun. Agreed that Doing something over and over again like same dungeon or incursions is extremely boring, which is what makes retail also have a terrible new player experience. I am shocked they have not implemented the obvious answer to stop XP gain after first time in each dungeon. Would easily make leveling fun. Phases (especially if also adding no xp after first time in each dungeon) made SOD way more fun by making people (that are not min/max) enjoy each section of leveling by making it worthwhile to get BIS in each phase, instead of less fun of zooming through 1-59

[@danielstevenson9593]

For someone looking to start playing Wow again would you say that it’s too late to start playing SOD and be able to get into end game content.

[@bluburryyumyum1367]

There is no endgame content. Pvp is completely dead and there is 1 raid.

[@Giggles4692]

Recommend Cata. Try to play varied gameplay by alternating dungeons and questing so you don’t get bored, doing dungeons over and over again. Also, things are obviously more fun when playing with people you just met in game or guild, instead of RDF if you don’t mind spam messaging people to join for 5min every now and then.

[@Giggles4692]

SOD is still fun if you ignore incursions and don’t mind 5min spam messaging every now to find people to enjoy the content instead of speeding through it. Also, SOD doesn’t have any PVP until you get max level in the phase, so just keep in mind that you can’t PvP every now and then while leveling.

[@SirLowRoller]

Why would they put just one quest giver in a pvp zone? Maybe it’s just on pvp servers but I can’t even turn in quests when the horde is killing everyone by the oboe quest giver.

[@Storlans]

I would say sod is way to similar to retail.

[@realScottThomas]

Why because it has changes?

[@g.henriquecosta983]

@@realScottThomas they wiill never elaborate

[@user-ln5ng5cq4d]

@@g.henriquecosta983 Its basically doing world quests in retail, with the mega spawns and getting killed by the opposing faction or mega spawns every couple of minutes reminded me of doing dailies on Argus when I last played retail. Just doing the 7/17 easy quests that dont involve killing mobs isnt exactly fresh nor fun. The raids are also LFR/Normal level compared to retail, dont see any point of playing myself, but there definitely is a target audience for that type of content.

[@g.henriquecosta983]

@@user-ln5ng5cq4d one event with repeatable quest like the AQ40 is “retail” got it. Classic raids were super easy, i think the point of sod is to make them a bit harder

[@Rorsch34]

@@realScottThomas for me, is all about the simplicity, for example, how specs works and class identity. Many people (me included) don´t have enough time to invest in the game, so keep the game "simple" is huge plus over retail. Aditionally, the numbers of spells... have you seen any raid or pvp in retail lately?... cause I tried, but I can´t understand whats going on, way too many stuff on the screen, and that's a big turn off for me.

[@dancinglight8411]

Think I’m gonna try leveling up with minimal incursions and see if I still have fun with it.

[@natecw4164]

Playing the game you want instead of power leveling and then complaining about it?? Is your guild recruiting? 😂❤

[@brobb11]

I like your mentality! Wish these other people would act accordingly when they don't like something :)

[@kevino2435]

These incursions don’t even exist in my world and I’m having a blast with multiple characters

[@brobb11]

@kevino2435 Awesome! 2 buddies of mine lvled through questing and dungeons while I was incursions. Now at 50, they need incursion rep for rune and I need dungeon and wild offerings! We both need each side :)

[@babaci9767]

I'm doing the same. Just questing as usual and having a blast with the xp and gold boost. I don't even know how to do incursions lol.

[@Neo3191]

Great vid as usual

[@Zalvu]

I quit a few days ago because SoD feels too much like Retail now and the classic era servers are pretty much dead after TBC and WotLK was released and now that Cata is coming there is no point to even continue...

[@ryangraper]

Ba-bye!

[@PheonixT-ki8rx]

agreed

[@brobb11]

Wow has been around forever, and seems to always have a classic version to do. Unsub for a bit, play other games. Every true wower has taken wow breaks. Part of life. And oh my god, adding a quality of life feature means ReTaIL.....

[@Zalvu]

@@brobb11 Nightmare incursions the way they are is not a QoL it's just a Retail feature to level faster...

[@brobb11]

@@Zalvu Blizz never forced me to only do incursions. The wow world is still there!

[@avatarroku3173]

I want them to open the Timbermaw Hold gates in Azshara. A raid or a city or something.

[@cryptocuckoo3956]

I want to wipe a couple of times on a new boss or it just feels like meh.

[@westloves]

I have been having fun so far in SoD, but it is really starting to feel overwhelming. Min maxing in each phase is starting to pile up, especially phase 3. The amount of things to do is making me feel like the grind isnt worth it. Might just play other games until lvl 60 comes around, but im sure 60 will be even more insane than 50. idk how to feel, its just a lot.

[@CosmicApe]

Agreed. There are way too many time sinks in the game already. I'm probably not even going to have the time to touch the ST raid. I'll probably just focus on level my main, maybe an alt or two, getting pre-BiS gear and runes, and park until 60.

[@ryangraper]

Move on then... if having too much content sucks for you then don't let the door hit you in the vagina on your way out.

[@RichSmithson]

Sounds like the smartest thing to do. Iv thought of doing the same, but if you think parsing is bad at ST, you ain’t seen nothing yet. End game will be gatekept harder then anything yet.

[@Giggles4692]

How is lv50 pvp. BG’s good?

[@westloves]

@@Giggles4692 BGs feel bad rn. I’m a paladin and my class feels good but Alliance usually get owned by horde in Arathi. Balance in BGs is off for sure. Hope they round things out for next phase

[@makoslushie9777]

Great video, as always. I enjoy your takes on subjects and just listening to information provided. Thank you. There are a lot of things that could make incursions better, especially with quest management and inventory management systems. Personally, I loved it. Everything about it. If people want to "experience the classic systems but on SoD" - then hey. Everyone has the option of turning off the delight buff and not doing incursions. If all they want to do is quest and travel around, they have that option. No one is forcing players into doing incursions. If players can't make up their own minds about what they want to do in a digital world - then perhaps there are different things at play here that need to be addressed. The point is, it's optional. Whether you're spamming incursions or spamming quest zones - you're grinding. Whether it be incursions or questing, you're still doing basically the same thing. Phase 3 actually enticed me enough to try it and it was because of these easier leveling experiences and easier gold grinds that didn't include farming locations for items/gathering items. We did that 20 years ago. The faster I get to the actual level content and catch up, the better. And I have had a blast with quickly getting to 25 on multiple characters / factions and catching up to friends and guild mates. SoD is on the classic platform, but that doesn't mean that everything has to maintain some 20 year old design plan. There are a lot of systems that could make SoD even better and a lot of quality of life changes that could make the experiences even better. Through my experiences, I believe SoD would be amazing if it was some weird, new amalgamation between retail and classic. I must be in the minority here, because I wholeheartedly dislike walking around for hours in a walking simulator and I honestly do not care about discovery things on my own, been there- done that. My priority is catching up, getting my runes, gearing up, and eventually raiding / doing higher level content. Hyperbole, but I don't need to RP walk through Darkshire to observe the ambiance. So far, P3 has been a great experience for me. I was able to level to 50 in 3 days on priest and begin my alts / classes I had interest in playing while preparing for guild ST runs.

[@lucaschebance3135]

Bro, it's that from the start how didn' you saw that ?

[@jackburton5239]

If you want a casual experience with dumbed down gameplay / raiding on autopilot play retail or cataclassic with LFR. You can crack open a few kegs and do well

[@rogermucroy750]

Soon as the raid nerfs hit my guild quit. It was not overtuned. As a mythic retail raider ST was a faceroll first reset.

[@IanChase09]

think about it this way; we really only have ~8 lockouts before next phase --- so it is harder to swallow when you miss the final bosses a few lockouts in a row

[@hoffyc.h393]

I Quit in P3 and starting to prepare for Cata instead.

[@MrExitboon]

out of the frying pan into the fire

[@coorslite619]

Gross

[@ryangraper]

Later gator!

[@Mr.Chedda_]

aye same

[@_blasfemy]

REALLY LOVE the raid. So does everyone I've met

[@thomasnorton1584]

It's season of discovery. " 0:48 Season" and blizzard is discovering what we like and don't. It's playable beta. Stay calm it's gonna be ok

[@kuyt3400]

You act like this game hasn't been out for decades. As if they needed feedback to know incursions were dumb is the problem.

[@sidyaking]

A bit of context - I played original WOW and TBC, played a bit of MOP and WOD and tried to get to retail a couple of times. I played full classic and TBC and then completed hardcore before official. So I think I do have some understanding about the game What went wrong with phase 3: - If I learn anything from the Classic success and especially Hardcore and SOD - people do like slower pace of the game. And then you get phase 3 comes here and now your levelling experience turns into 1-25 do whatever, 25-35 do Duskwood (1 day), 35-40 boost SM or quest, 40-50 Ashenvale (1-2 days). This crazy pace killed the necessity and the desire to interact with anyone - You might say something like "well don't do incursions then" - but you need to understand that 1) this is by far the most efficient way to farm gold, 2) its is the fastest, 3) it is way harder to find a group for a dungeon for the same level bracket since everyone is doing incursions - Horde ganking turned incursions into a sh*tshow. Yes, both factions grief, but on Lone wolf and Living Flame it got to a point where there are non-stop raids full of lvl 50s on all layers. give in quests takes 3 times more than the actial run - I leveled several chars to 50 and then I was like: what now? there is one raid and there is PVP where you either always lose (alliance) (thanks to shamans and shadow priests balancing), or you are always in a queue (horde) - Also runes are soooo boring and repetetive. I literally can name just a couple of runes that I liked doing: the desolace detective kinda thing (but its for all classes and you enjoy it only once) and some runes for rogue where you need to solo infiltrate a dungeon. That was fun but that's it. That's really it. Other stuff is either kill someone or use some abilities several times So ye, leveling my worgen for cata :/

[@sidyaking]

oh yes, and mechanics... so let me complete 17 quests, open 17 envelopes and loot 34 items from it. Accept 17 new quests. and after that I will need to share 17 quests to 4 members, which is 68 shares. I understand that we all use addons, but I believe the game should be totally playable without any and this was a sh*t show. Both for quest log, for repetetiveness and for bags

[@HelloJTello]

Really good video fam! Way to lock it in 🔒I have been enjoying SOD so far, it does have it's problems and I do wish Blizz did somethings differently. I can see what people mean by the game feeling like Retail, but I don't hate Blizz for trying stuff out to see what works. I guess all in all, I want SOD to be something were everyone can enjoy and not feel pressured to not play.

[@daranhassinger1360]

SoD blows

[@Dadge42]

Incursions are a mess. Honestly it might not be so bad if it weren't for the fact they take up your entire quest log and inventory and are so annoying to share. Gives me a headache just thinking about.

[@udderbull5947]

I liked the phase 1 and 2 raids due to the time it took to clear them. As a dad gamer now, it is very difficult to sink 3-5 hours undisturbed into a raid in a single sitting.

[@thyme4384]

How shit are your groups? I’ve pug’d it now a few times between multiple toons and runs are taking about an hour to clear since the raid was nerfed into the ground…

[@Scottysaweet]

All the fun was front loaded in SOD. P1 brought everything. and every phase after was basically copy/paste formula I expected to see a new never before seen zone + lore fleshed out with new dungeons and raids. like a classic expansion level of content.

[@77rockcity]

💯

[@Fakac1991]

I seem to be one of the few going against the tide, but the incursions suited me just fine. I've been playing wow for 20 years and I just don't enjoy exping compared to end game. I appreciate that I was able to level up quickly and now I just do what I enjoy most in the game. Pvp and raids.

[@revolverocelot1919]

Feels less like vanilla and more like retail…

[@g.henriquecosta983]

elaborate please

[@ryangraper]

Ba-bye!

[@TheUhmmmmmmmm]

Think it will be the first phase I don't even play sadly. Don't even got my characters atm XD.

[@WedontevenlikeEric]

Not clearing the raid in 3 minutes after launch is a real classic experience lmao

[@ripteye8229]

Incursions are literally Daily quests without a reset, and it is forced group content to make it worthwhile. It killed dungeon grinds.

[@odmurko]

First they hate on dungeon grinding, then incursions, and 25-40 was too much of a grind, but 40-50 is too fast. Not realizing they can lvl anyway they want? And bfd was too easy, but ST too hard? Tbh I think ppl just got out of the honeymoon phase they had playing wow again, me included, I just play less now. Still the best version of wow I’ve ever played!

[@sergeigen1]

Im loving sod phase 3

[@cameron2634]

But also isn't it great they're trying new things? And they can improve or iterate in SoD2? Like, it's just fun and way simpler than retail.

[@AbditusGaming]

I feel incursions are a great catch-up mechanic. It should have been implemented as such. The gear should've been level 45 or 48. So farming dungeons for pre-raid bis could've been more toward the forefront. Also, the exp should've dropped off after 45 and stopped at 48. A good way for a casual who missed p2,to see some kind of relevancy in p3.

[@radovankovacik7515]

Well they made ST so normal guild in gnome eq could clear it first week

[@DominicanHater2375]

I dont think incursions were implemented well, but I still like and am enjoying phase 3.

[@probablynotabigtoe9407]

3 characters to 50 in 20 hours of gameplay. Only raiding with one of them this phase.

[@alex-suciu]

11:37 😂😂 dropped sod somewhere around mid p2, my guild died and so was my motivation to continue. as a main paladin, pugging the raids after p1 is no fun.

[@Messametti]

Incursions as a daily zone with 5-10 quests would have been perfectly fine, it was nice as a testing event to level fast but it was too fast. Sunken Temple after the nerfs is ok, my raid did 6/8 and next week even without further nerfs it will be a full clear now we know the raid and dont have to waste time testing stuff out. I like it so far. If SOD should realy come out as a testing ground for a real Classic+ they can do as much errors as they want to know better next time.

[@ondore]

I love paying every month to be a beta tester

[@lexxisful]

I had such a blast and I can’t really put my finger on it, but I’m over it. The phases are to long and everyone one goin for that 1 build or exact same items makes it feel like a short race and then it dsnt matter kind of. That’s only thing I can think of. Personally HC and tryin Cata is what’s left

[@MrExitboon]

Update: I quit the game and so did a huge chunk of my guild.

[@Elysian777]

Once again they did something stupid that clustered players into a looping, mind numbing grind space and emptied the world of players. Unbelievable that they STILL don't get it. Classic meant seeing others out in the world. It's the 'Mall' effect. When we went to Malls and lots of people were there, it was fun simply for that reason. It made you feel a part of something, being around other people with same goals, even if you never had any interaction with them. In classic we got to see the same players pretty regularly. They were there, the energy was there, it felt good. Layering, phasing and LFR were the beginning of the end of Classic. Suddenly the world was empty. Questing and exploring were all but gone. Server comradery was eliminated. I was so excited about SoD. Now I haven't played since 3-4 days after they implemented the stupid grind. I doubt I'll be back. It's obvious that they are going to make the same stupid mistakes and completely ruin it.

[@comfycouchgamers826]

incursion area in ashen is literal hell on pvp servers, its my fault for choosing a pvp realm but OMG i stayed on 2 min timer 30 times in a row.. still more exp and gold than regular dungeon grinding though..

[@josipmarasovic2436]

Dont get me wrong i see a lot of people like u, it seems u are playing just 50% of game pvp aspect like its not part of game

[@Tactics1337]

Blud playing halo music in a wow video and didnt think we'd notice

[@nuciek1]

So I do prefer that system then trying the same mob with other 30 people it eases amount of people later on questing in the wild it’s absolutely brilliant instead of spamming instances for 10 lvls or standing 40min to kill 16 mobs.

[@Lokipower]

Incursion is the antithesis of everything Classic is supposed to be. "We can't wait for you to rediscover the world of Azeroth in a brand new way". "Also, here's a 10 meter square zone you can 40-50 in hours". Having it be a 30-mins events with rotating quests every 3h would have been a LOT better, with much more moderate rewards. Also I have no clue why they didn't use SoD as a testing ground to nerf mob XP in dungeon to 20% of what it is, and make dungeon quests worth 5x as much to prevent dungeon spam being the best XP, while still making them extremely worth it to do at least once.

[@mikearchambeault633]

It's discovery so I think they are trying stuff out on us to see what we like and what we don't. Once we hit level 60 though then the game will feel like retail all over again.

[@si1entassassin]

It’s funny how many people leveled to 50 doing the incursions on repeat and hated it. I did the incursions once, realized it wasn’t fun to repeat and went to open world level. It was great… The problem isn’t so much Blizzard as it is the players’ choice.

[@Adept1780]

Personally just today quit SOD on my mage, they nurfed the new raid souch done it first try so that's out the window and pvp well... Wait for Cata now.

[@nigelrichens3938]

It’s a great turn on the game it’s its own game paint or don’t ! It’s great

[@Zainenn]

Haha you used a screen grab from Solidarity Gaming, nice. I watch Hermitcraft videos, love that content.

[@samdash3216]

jesus you really overdid it with this raid shadowlegends ad .... hope they pay good money! ... thanks for the video, keep em coming

[@insu_na]

they bungled up the launch of the season and then bungled up the raid by nerfing it into the ground, making it a safari instead of an achievement

[@Yogafireflame]

This shit was garbage even at level 25, thank god I never continued lmao

[@Classic80Rock]

Blizzard should really do Account-Wide Reputation if they care about people who wanna play many alts

[@LittleLoz]

Doesn't belong in classic

[@Classic80Rock]

@@LittleLoz There's alot of stuff that ain't Classic in SoD

[@LittleLoz]

@@Classic80Rock Yes which is why SOD isnt really classic wow

[@Classic80Rock]

@@LittleLoz So we need Account-Wide Rep :D

[@nfc14g]

SoD is not classic. It takes classic elements of making people actually play the game with others, which is what incursion loops do. And adds the horde pvp element. And it adds the triviality and convenience of retail leveling. It sits in the middle of classic and retail. I have found so much to do I've been enjoying it. Mostly the player interaction and world pvp. I haven't started to raid yet and don't really plan to. Just beat up on the horde some more.

[@fieswow]

Sod is kinda retail. I love era as it is🙈

[@nikolaijust3002]

Idc about the raid tbh I think more difficulty and gear checks are fine (obviously not to the broken extent it was released but hey whatever smol indie dev right). That being said I don't put weeks upon months prepping for phases and grinding gold, only for that to be made irrelevant within the amount of hours I can count on one hand on the disastrous excuse for a release of phase 3. It's so hard to mess up Classic+, but I should've known Blizz would figure out a way w/ the state of incursions and how it was released. Just cancelled my sub and will be playing games that actually respect my time.

[@SuperKameGuru]

Exploit early exploit often. See you in the next phase bruv

[@SuperKameGuru]

(this is a troll btw... The entire point of this season is discovery and fun. No one cares about gold and preparing. Get cool abilities to use in a classic wow setting, that's it)

[@xSintex]

If youre taking SoD that seriously,the only one not respecting your time is you. Touch grass.

[@nikolaijust3002]

@@SuperKameGuru lol there’s always some dumb gotcha w/ wow players and getting offended by ppl criticizing the game they get their ego from, it’s almost like you guys WANT a bad game…like asmon and bellular say, enjoy your dick salad

[@nikolaijust3002]

Also both of these commenters have less than 5 total KZbin comments and commented v similar things, def not weird at all lol

[@kylekermgard]

Glad I skipped this phase

[@chainclaw07]

7:00 if I want difficulty, I don't want to rely on 19 other people to handle that difficulty. instead have bringing more people be "easy" but you can do 5 man content that's tuned to be difficult and still reward you with raid level gear. that would be the most amicable solution imo. that's why I liked titan rune dungeons. it gave you a greater challenge and "catchup" gear...

[@vivawarrior8397]

I agree I really like 5 man's raids can be abit much and not super enjoyable

[@josipmarasovic2436]

What the point of challenge, whole point of game is to get gear so u can kill people easier, how making raid harder helps that. Like what happend to all people that played wow after vanilla did u forget whole point of game or what. Like whats hard about learning pattern of boss

[@chainclaw07]

@@josipmarasovic2436 uhm... are you saying all that matters is pvp? Because there's a lot of people that do not agree with you on that. I for one despise pvp... and I haven't said what constitutes "too difficult". I agree, noticing a bomb and moving out of the grouping isn't that difficult, provided there's at least 8-10 seconds for you to move, based on the area of the bomb. I would say that Onyxia is a medium difficult boss and a fun fight. Multiple phases with different approaches/objectives. A dynamic arena(with the eggs).

[@josipmarasovic2436]

@@chainclaw07 no pvp is 50% of game like pve is other 50$ but like 80% of people behaves like there is only pve and that its most important thing

[@chainclaw07]

@@josipmarasovic2436 it's not about important, it's about what you want to engage with - and I'd say a vast majority does not want to engage in pvp...

[@magnum862000]

8 lockouts, thats it

[@XPISTOS-ANESTH]

Ofc you play retail D

[@natecw4164]

Ugh... They were SO upfront that they were going to take risks, try stuff that might not work... I mean, all the players are doing is telling Blizzard not to take risks but also to try new things. Pick one. Do you want a boring phase five? Because this is how you get a boring phase five. (Referring to the comments, not this video itself)

[@RichSmithson]

I’d prefer they remake dungeons and raids. Not boring PvP and PVE events.

[@natecw4164]

@@RichSmithson sure, and I'm not defending the content. Only saying they told us upfront some of it would be imba, some of it would be new ideas, some cut content and some 5 mans becoming new raids. Nobody is being forced to engage with these world events.

[@jessebearman7176]

I struggle to understand people sometimes "incursions ruined the game for me because i chose to mindlessly farm them to level quick now im bored" Don't be so degenerate and level a different way if its causing a problem for you its not the only option out there "but then ill be behind the pack and lower on gold" thats the risk you take, you can't have your cake and eat it too 😂

[@arcadia5607]

Didn’t level to 50 doing these.

[@timlind3129]

With Incursions, blizz killed the alt path (which I was really hoping for) and less reasons to log in every day. I just can't do the loop anymore, and no one wants to do kill quests. Had high hopes that Blizz would really update the game to a 2024 play/lifestyle and in 2024 really figure out a way to not make the game pretty mind numbingly repetitive, esp. for alts, and or stop forcing folks into areas they don't like (e.g. Incursions to get a rather needed/good rune, STV PvP for a needed piece of gear - esp. if it didn't drop for you in Gnome etc.) And a good way to level at least 2-3 alts. Felt BFD was still a very active run after P2, but Gnome is dead comparatively.

[@John-po9wz]

lvl 50 is just a bad level cap phase, too close to end game to want to invest much time at it or even tuning by blizz. and the incursion roll out really fucked it all up. the economy is completely fucked.

[@Gigapally]

SoD isnt classic+ but its more like a testing ground for classic+ i dont know why every has gotten their panties in a fucking bunch because of these incursions in a seasonal game mode

[@cstu6864]

ST is literally easy af now lol

[@akek76858]

yes

[@sticknbox6157]

sod is poopy. back on wrath getting ready for cata

[@chainclaw07]

... here's the thing though - classic has bad qualities and retail actually has some good qualities - imo what we've gotten has been good things from retail but the box we get it in is still the classic box. the nightmare incursions are a big deviation that makes quest discardable and repeatable and the fact that people CAN just run past every mob to get their paper on the floor and run back and gain "a lot of xp and gold" - now if that is retail, which I don't think it is but if it would be then it would be bad. even if it's 100% classic, it is still a bad thing. personally I don't mind it BUT the fact that my choice is do these incursions repeatably, gaining X amount of XP OR to quest or farm mobs for about 20 times less XP per hour.... yeah.. that's too big of a discrepancy to ignore and keep doing what you like...

[@darioapollo4027]

Releasing P3 in a state that made it possible for a group of players to kind of exploit the game, giving them a huge advantage.. enough of a reason to don’t feel connected to SoD anymore. I know they fix things on the road and it’s basically an ongoing PTR, but how can’t you see the issue of infinite questing routines, insane Epic BoE Farms and so on? Must have been a huge rush and it showed in many different ways and voices of people saying it feels heavily overturned. It has been 1 week and 2 ID‘s , I am a decent player with ~ 90 parses, that knows how the game and the pace works. Still you have to somehow stress out to get a spot in a raid, because the community heads towards a direction where so many negative trades of Modern Online Gaming set in. I just don’t like the feeling of calling myself a „Big Chad Dps, full Cons, 8/8 XP, Worldbuffs, know tact’s“. The type of language and behavior alone speaks volumes to the immaturity and self centered behavior this playstyle caters to.

[@aleksadmitrovic940]

I don't know why exactly,but I don't like the path that sod is going, maybe I expected more vanilla approach, I don't feel vanilla world at all because everyone is overpowered,I understand players that love to clear raids every week fastest as they can,but I always liked stuff outside of the raids,and I liked raids not just for the gear upgrade, I liked raids so I can kill mobs outside faster and see improvement on hits,now I kill everything easy without gear🤣,to look more cool,or be stronger in duels/world pvp. But I have feeling it's all about speed running,going to instances, game isn't chill like vanilla for example,but this is my opinion.

[@zeroresistance7203]

whats annoying about nightmare incursion is that you can't really ''farm it effectively'' You are so reliant on other players.

[@josipmarasovic2436]

I do it alone just because they said u need 3-4 people i wanted to see if i can do it alone. Im half thru honor and its great u dont need other people

[@andyhull9182]

Dunno if it's retail or not but sure is lazy: same stv-event, wild offerings just tacked on extra bosses and the incursion is just a questgiver and zone (not even a new zone) littered with mobs designed to be done idling And the balancing and raid terrible, we are clearly playing/paying beta here, certainly nobody at NuBlizzard play tested most of this stuff

[@DaniDaDevil]

I came back to try SOD p3. I level, I farmed gold and mats, p3 comes and my effort goes to waste and the gold is devalued by 300% in the first 3h of p3. So I went to classic era to make the most of my subscription.SOD feels like a pile of trash. Some classes are overtuned while others are mostly unplayable in a competitive scene/raids. It feels like blizzard is throwing poop at a classic server. It does feel like retail alright. To all of you having fun I wish you continue to have fun.

[@josipmarasovic2436]

Basicly u played yourselfe and u are mad hahahahaa

[@torgtheoldreluctantgamer5048]

Phase 1 was fun and promising. Phase 2 made some promises, ended too early, and phase 3 killed SoD. It’s just bad retail and my friends and I have chosen to stop playing. Dropped in to see what others were thinking and feeling. The incursions, a pseudo Rift/ESO broken event, they decided to take that same dumb concept and put it in SoD. But this isn’t classic and it’s not even WoW just some copycat of other MMOs failed attempt at world events.

[@ragnar1614]

Season of discovery has been above and beyond all my expectations, including season three. The incursions were definitely overpowered, but at the same time mages could farm from 40 to 50 in classic in a short amount of time and people would power level anyways while supporting gold farmers. Furthermore, this is not classic classic servers are still up. If you don’t like season of discovery go play classic. This is seasonal gameplay and it should not take forever to level up for the hundredth time and if they expect us to come back again next year for a new seasonagain, the fast leveling pace was 100% the move. There’s a minority of people who don’t like it and I haven’t met one of them in real life yet other than the trolls on Reddit. To expect to clear the whole rate on week one is also ridiculous in original classic most guilds never cleared knack and many other raids when classic launched in 2019 mini guilds struggled to clear molten core and Nitzia to that classic raids should be easy is not really trueto classic

[@Krulfar]

Incursions are a great idea but the way they implemented them literally killed SoD. It could have been just a small mistake if they fixed them but we are almost a month into the phase and they are still horrible and really toxic for the game. And btw, you have to be really stupid to say that incursions are anything close to retail.

[@pabaug99]

brain damage = its fine to play retail

[@Zoggosh]

Incursions 100% killed SoD for me. Leveled by mostly questing and the occasional dungeon. Runes felt great for classic levelling, and they integrated really well into the natural progression of the game. Felt like a fresh way to play classic with a smoother pace. Went to my first incursion and instantly felt like it was retail again. The way the quest sharing works is totally fucked. There's no reason to do anything in the zone but run around and pick up items. Its just brainless farm. It's terrible. Was looking forward to getting into ST, but with the cata classic announcement I am just going to pick that up instead. Don't see a reason to invest more into P3. Maybe P4 will take it in a better direction. SoD has tons of potential, but it ain't it right now.

[@fkaroundhandleit]

Funny how people cry about classic becoming more like retail yet they've got all the addons and ui as if it is retail.

[@kyostihedman9650]

what this kid crying are we playing classic or season of discovery?

[@damien2729]

Leveling was boring, they made it fun, wah wah wah this is too fun, why is other classes more fun than mine wah wah. Leveling is too slow, they speed it up more than double the speed, making killing mobs easier, give u incursions to speed through the levels, wah wah wah why am i leveling so fast, wah wah wah I have to do 6 hours of incursions and they're boring, I'd rather go and level for 20+ hours questing, wah wah wah, but since incursions exist, I'm forced to play them wah wah wah. Classic wow is boring, the raids are too easy, BFD takes 20minutes to clear, wah wah wah, Sunken Temple is too hard, we wiped on every boss, wah wah wah, we had to learn to do fights in a level 50 raid, wah wah wah. Just constant crying no matter what Blizzard does

[@brobb11]

There are sooooooooo many versions of wow to play. Adding quality of life to a 20 year old game for a fresh new iteration is completely fine. You want 'no changes' go play era. You want wrath, go play wrath, retail? Go play retail. If SoD isn't your thing becuase too many changes or feels like retail on this iteration of wow, then load up a diff version. SoD is adding changes and experimenting for hopefully a WoW2 or something. Go play a different version and let the devs figure some shit out!

[@guscunnilin]

These sponsors really need to shorten up. A raid shadow legends commercial should be 10 seconds not 5 minutes

[@MetaGoblin]

They dictate the length. They also dictated that I have to do 2 adds before getting payed 😂

[@johannesh.6142]

Then stop being a sell out..​@@MetaGoblin

[@MetaGoblin]

@@johannesh.6142 Okay then I just won't pay my rent for your benefit pal 🤡

[@johannesh.6142]

@@MetaGoblin Lots of other ways to pay the bills vs being a corporate shill. You do you though