Phasing Out New Jets: EgyptAir Sells Entire Airbus A220 Fleet!

[@Nickdpoul]

Very unfortunate. I flew one this summer from Cairo to Athens and it was by far the best jet I have ever flown. Better than a320s and737

[@matsv201]

I guess that 737max8 from north america are super cheep 2 or 3 years on the preowned market.

[@RLTtizME]

@@matsv201 Total bilge blown out your south end.

[@thearsenalmisfit2414]

​@matsv201 I refuse to fly any max jet since the 2 crashes and that decission was reinforced by the recent quality control problems Boeing has been having on all their production lines.

[@waynehentley4332]

It's the best aircraft ever built!

[@justing42]

that's why Delta is parking them@@waynehentley4332

[@DeepakKumar-lv4te]

poor article i thought, no mention of the airlines economics, their business model , current influences on the airline etc. Impossible to understand this without context.

[@bringbackmd7579]

No one is disputing the economics of the aircraft, but when you get terrible service, and waiting times for parts ,the most economical plane in the world is of little use when it's sitting idle on the ground, waiting for repair.

[@2adamast]

"EgyptAir is offloading all 12 of its Airbus A220-300 aircraft, selling them off to the aircraft leasing company Azorra" Is that impossible to understand?

[@tiagogomes3807]

They want bigger planes. Have no money for them so they will sell the smaller ones they own.

[@sudirsankr3361]

Egypt is in currency crises. To buy parts they had to sell planes !!!

[@monder4276]

Yep

[@Design_no]

When has it not been in economic crisis.

[@osasunaitor]

Also demographic crisis

[@muhammadfawzy9901]

And on the same time they are buying 10 A350-900’s and leasing 18 B737-8 Max’s,, and just received 12 A321 neo’s obviously they can’t afford the spareparts. The major issue is with the A220 engine manufacturer, plenty of them are grounded due to delays in parts delivery.

[@seagullsbtn]

No lack of demand for the -300 variant. Orders for this variant are 90% of all A220 aircraft. Since the engines are "fixed" by P&W, these will very quickly be leased after repainting.

[@justing42]

no they aren't

[@O530CarrisPT_C2]

Pratt & Whitney is to blame for this situation. The PW1500G has been suffering with problems left and right, like the PW1100G-JM of the A320npe (No Pratt Engines). Pratt & Whitney should act on this.

[@gteixeira]

Embraers use PW engines and I haven't heard about these issues there. The issue must be in who integrates them.

[@O530CarrisPT_C2]

@@gteixeira This problem is common specific versions of the PW1000G, those of aircraft produced by Airbus (PW1100G-JM and PW1500G).

[@gteixeira]

@@O530CarrisPT_C2 So it seems that the issue is on who picks the engines then.

[@O530CarrisPT_C2]

@@gteixeira So, it comes down to Airbus.

[@ChrisCokeRobinson]

@@gteixeira Probably because nobody's buying the new E-jets

[@The_Angry_Medic]

If it's a seller's market and their use case is changing, then it makes sense. The type is still my favorite commercial aircraft to fly on so far

[@justing42]

hard to fly on them without engines

[@The_Angry_Medic]

@@justing42 cry about it

[@RSwrightMD]

I fly this aircraft type on Delta not infrequently. It is comfortable and one of the best smaller planes I have ever flown on. Far better than CRJ and Embraer planes. I hope Delta acquires them.

[@miked8121]

The choice of small jets to fly on between small cities in the U.S. mid-west, is horrible. So are the small connector airlines.

[@thecaynuck]

@@miked8121 In terms of comfort, sure, but the planes themselves are very good.

[@rupetto1959]

in Nov 2023 I was on A220 by Delta, NY to Boston, very smooth flight and the plane is amazing

[@Samguy55]

Every modern plane is amazing, what’s your point?

[@patrice5976]

@@Samguy55the A-220 is 60 years ahead of the 737 and 40 years on the 320… that’s how much better the ride is… That’s his point

[@markmitchell2658]

​@@Samguy55really wouldn't say modern Boeing planes amazing 😊

[@RLTtizME]

How so?

[@waynehentley4332]

40 and 60 years? What hyperbole!!

[@cvt-4u267]

No African love for the A220 . Air Senegal off-loaded them in favor of orher types, now Egypt Air. Thanks Pratt...!!

[@gteixeira]

How to explain that Embraers use PW engines and they are still quite popular in Africa?

[@thecaynuck]

Give it 20 years, Africa will be trying to buy them all up. African airlines are poorer and tend to buy second hand aircraft because they're too expensive to run new aircraft. With the exception of airlines like Ethiopian.

[@ricky1231]

The engine troubles are industry wide You can’t throw toys out of the pram

[@neilpickup237]

Did you watch the video? Their engines have been fixed and upgraded.

[@fjp3305]

What are the problems?

[@neilpickup237]

@fjp3305 P&W were supplied with contaminated material, which has significantly reduced the operational life of some components. P&W is unable to meet the current demand to replace these faulty parts. This has resulted in many A220s on the ground waiting for 'fixed' engines.

[@RLTtizME]

Huh?

[@fjp3305]

@@neilpickup237 Thanks

[@well-blazeredman6187]

So, what are the financials like at EgyptAir? And are 220s cheaper to run (passenger/km) than the bigger narrow-bodies?

[@cvt-4u267]

When it's in the air..!!! Who can blame them when your fleet was grounded, awaiting spare parts or complete engines. Your reliable engine reputation was permanently tarnished PRATT..!!

[@gteixeira]

You need to pay for the plane and African companies are typically gouged higher interests by banks when financing new planes, so the finances don't work well unless they manage to keep the plane making money flying 99% of the time.

[@thecaynuck]

@@cvt-4u267 The A220 fleet is not grounded

[@oluwoleajala9678]

Ibom Air of Nigeria has 10 A220 on order and already had one delivered in November. The airline is also exiting the Wet leased A220s from Egypt Air.

[@cabottaxi]

Short sighted decision . These aircraft will find new homes very easily. They are not exactly 380s and buyers will snap them up. Maybe Air Baltic or Air Canada might take them. Other airlines might take them on short leases due to delivery hold ups with the manufacturers.

[@rohitaswal2464]

Bro planes are good but if there is no service or part from engine supplyer what will happen they got rid of that plane Right movement

[@well-blazeredman6187]

A380s are real bargains right now. Depreciated away to next-to-nothing, their higher fuel-burn no longer matters.

[@rohitaswal2464]

@@well-blazeredman6187 a380 lack customer and it operating cost more that is why many airlines stop using it

[@jamesbartlett5640]

@@rohitaswal2464These A220 have had fresh engine overhauls so these will be fine.

[@rohitaswal2464]

@@jamesbartlett5640 what is fresh they need part time to time which engine comply ptwittny cannot give repairs goair did go out off business and indigo 40% fleet is at stand still

[@777x-c6m]

I certainly welcome variety in subject matter, not like others' sites, who don't know its time to refresh their content... Well done !!!!

[@zenjempire]

What happen's to their simulator in Cairo for A220 ? Is it also part of the deail with Azzora ?

[@Leo_Vasileio]

Here comes Delta

[@brawnbenson552]

They’ll snatch them up! 😂😂😂

[@kaamsogrimm]

Here comes jetblue*

[@ronparrish6666]

Air Canada would like one also

[@Roboseal2]

Yeah because they have their own PW mro network for their OWN planes.

[@justing42]

that has zero engines. That's why they are parking them...11 already rotting in the desert.@@Roboseal2

[@flysopka]

Fault of P&W. Poor A220

[@prasenjittripura4691]

haahhaha,, airbus fanboi’s hypocracy… would u blame to enginge company instead of boeing if same thing happens to boeing.

[@Tuukkohakee]

⁠@@prasenjittripura4691Yes, of course I would.

[@jantjarks7946]

​@@prasenjittripura4691 Your comment only shows your own mindset.

[@sudirsankr3361]

Never have the plane when you have only one engine supplier . PWs engine issue made few airlines bankrupt. Good move from egypt air.

[@bobchan1666]

It was BBD's fault to go with exclusive power plant route.

[@Megiddo6-3]

Cyprus Airlines has announced interest in 2 ASAP. I’m sure they’ll need to replace them with something perhaps the E-295 like Jordanian?

[@cliffhigson7581]

Maybe Qantas can buy them for the regional carrier Qantaslink even though they have 30 or so on order to replace 717, F70 & F100 types used. They say they could do with more than what they have on order & options.

[@jp3622]

This bombardier is the best plane!!

[@ZubairAhmed-ib6ve]

The problem is that inflation in Egypt is increasing and it's very hard for the airline to maintain new aircrafts since new aircraft need new parts. Secondly, most of the airline is owned by the government so it's the Egyptian Civil Aviation Authorities who make the decisions. Lastly they have to maintain cleanliness something the airline still lacks

[@stickynorth]

Egypt's loss will be SOMEONE's gain. Then again it was probably the wrong plane for the airline to begin with. It needs larger jets with more capacity since almost all of its flights are Emirates like... I.e. connecting large foreign cities to its hub airport... It probably needs A350's for that!

[@anujain]

Not all flights and routes are emirates like, some short haul low demand routes from African cities to Egypt Air’s hub could have been fulfilled by the A220. But whats done is done. :)

[@DeepakKumar-lv4te]

@@anujain and yet they were reducing this planes use considerably?

[@anujain]

@@DeepakKumar-lv4te First is the issue with PW engines and secondly when Egypt Air is set on the path to get rid of A220 altogether, you gotta start somewhere.

[@swagathshetty]

Don't worry Egyptair. boeing has got you covered with their new max aircraft.

[@maximvf]

Partially covered, at least.

[@garymorton1772]

That's just going to open the door to more problems

[@rismul]

@@garymorton1772hear hear! 😌😌

[@Venturello]

@@garymorton1772made me chuckle there! 😂

[@asquithea]

I was going to add my own joke about the 737 Max, but I don't think it'll land.

[@ahmadhtaher9731]

It’s not Airbus, it’s Bombardier CSeries renamed to Airbus

[@PAC-fp9hy]

Indeed, but Airbus have taken on the debt of C series and allowed it to be sold in the US which Bombardier could not do without being accused of dumping by Boeing. Also Airbus has used its supply chain to reduce the costs of the series. Sure Airbus got lucky by the stupidity of of Boeing at the time, but never interfere when your enemy is screwing up.

[@jjlasne]

EgyptAir needs money badly.

[@romainth2785]

Love this jet, very comfy indeed

[@rohitaswal2464]

Right thing done because of that engine many airlines gone out of service

[@kruno1861]

PW 1500 is troublesome, but than again every new technology is...

[@a.gproductions_official]

Oh for heaven’s sake what have they done.

[@A320step-official]

Honestly the a220 is really good…

[@muhammadfawzy9901]

@@A320step-official they are really good when they are in the air, not grounded for months waiting for P&W to supply service parts

[@bilal9445]

Very unexpected, especially since it’s been with the airline for four years

[@ihabeltahtawi436]

Good move since the aircraft is more efficient in cold environment rather than the harsh one which prevails most of the time in Egypt’s long hot summer.

[@pablofacchinei7386]

The decision must have been financially driven.

[@zohier75]

Egypt's argument is that the aircraft are not suitable for operation in desert areas.

[@cskvision]

Air Canada, JetBlue or Breeze would be more than happy to take them

[@rubenbecerra500]

Or delta

[@A320step-official]

Qantas?

[@jeffssaunders]

Air Baltic and Swiss were the first two airlines I thought of.

[@ytzpilot]

I’ll take them

[@prasenjittripura4691]

hahahha,,, airbus fanboi/keyboard warriors will take them all, dont worry😅😅😅😅😅

[@tommytube268]

A220-300 is my favorite plane! Not that anyone cares lol

[@hoffman56]

I care, and I agree.

[@KNLDVS2023]

I care aswell and, I also agree

[@A320step-official]

Me too❤❤

[@cskvision]

The most comfortable narrow body jet available. My favourite too

[@matsv201]

Its probobly just about everyone favorite narrowboddy.

[@ChrisCokeRobinson]

The one smart move that Boeing made with the MAX: Choosing to only use CFM for the engines...

[@Kliffy77]

Egypt air are challenged financially, Add to that A220 is problematic airplane due to PW Engines.

[@donaldgrove1971]

Good airplane, terrible engine problems

[@Kamline-yo4zi]

Lack of vision on part of Egypt Air, didn’t they know only 4 years ago that they gonna need wide bodies this soon. I doubt it, I think it has something to do with Egypt’s economic crisis and the unrest in the Middle East.

[@WhizAviation1]

“Here take 12 A220s.”

[@atatsmail260]

The problem is airbus should have their own Engine , not to deal with B&W or Boeing nightmare

[@Will_3rd]

Remember seeing one of these on the tarmac at BER last summer 😮

[@klausschumacher7126]

Did they finish the BER airport already ? I thought it would never be done....😂

[@Will_3rd]

@@klausschumacher7126 it is surprisingly nice, Tegel is still my favourite

[@andretucker9712]

That’s really shocking. These aircrafts are very young.

[@theblueaxolotl9721]

Bruh I just got back today at 1 am from Saudi Arabia by Egypt air

[@nathd1748]

The sooner Rolls Royce get their scaled UltraFan offering on this jet, the sooner Airbus can churn out more of them.

[@sainnt]

If they're having trouble maintaining A220s, how would they fare with A330neos or A350s?

[@muhammadfawzy9901]

They are having trouble with A220 because of P&W not Egyptair Why this is the only type they have grounded??? While their A320neo, A321neo, A330, B737, B787, B777 are up in the skies non stop???

[@IlIlIlIlIlIlIlIl-v9h]

I’ve heard they’re pretty big maintenance queens.

[@crinolynneendymion8755]

Them crickets are noisy aren't they.

[@thecaynuck]

The engines have problems, but not the plane itself

[@baruchmoshe5256]

Stop the extortion and criminality that people are complaining about at your airport first

[@ameerali.ouarda]

BA should take them for CityFlyer out of London City

[@jhoog59]

Could it be poor reliability? That would be my guess

[@neilpickup237]

The video stated that the engines have been fixed and upgraded, and they were being replaced with widebodies. This suggests that they are surplus to requirements. Did you watch the video?

[@zaveve18]

I believe they are going in the right ditection

[@seprishere]

Unfortunate. What is the alternative? A320s? 737s? Widebodies? The train? Coaches?

[@oskarsrode2167]

Old style - camel back!

[@Dana_Danarosana]

EgyptAir is quitting the Cana-Bus? Interesting...

[@Reitoft]

Why?

[@t10391]

United should order these planes to replace 319/737-700

[@kaamsogrimm]

JetBlue should buy them

[@timor64]

and why?

[@ark2264]

Prat and Whitney needs to be sued fr now... This is enough...

[@Roboseal2]

Bro they are with RTX... that will NEVER happen.

[@alfanalgs5932]

Garuda should buy this ex egyptair fleet

[@PxThucydides]

Be nice if you'd say why.

[@kenmaxwell9435]

To all the airbus fan bois UT tell you what you need to know about airbus

[@crinolynneendymion8755]

The floor is yours Ken, let's hear it.

[@pagophilus]

Replacing these with 737 Max jets shows that they do not care about their customers.

[@EuropeanRailfan-AM]

They're actually replacing them with Airbus widebodies. They're not like the Egyptian government

[@rafaelwilks]

Dependable Engines 😂😂😂

[@aarnililja5599]

I'm glad that Egyptair phases out A220 cuz i hate A220.

[@dmcr9525]

Can I ask why?

[@sixfifty_sebb]

they’re better than the deadly MAX aircraft

[@aarnililja5599]

​@@dmcr9525Cuz I hate gpws sounds

[@aarnililja5599]

​@@sixfifty_sebbI agree but i'll hope that Boeing fixes the problem.

[@EuropeanRailfan-AM]

Let my country's flag carrier, ITA Airways, take them

[@MegaAhmad1994]

I am cabin crew at Egypt air and I am glad the company did that 😅

[@davidwollenberg1758]

Well I don't like Boling's planes anymore.. I like the roominess of this plane the fuel economy less pollution. The speeds not good but less pollution. I the engines the heart of the plane. I would probably do 300 hours a year maybe. If I was extremely lucky I doubt even that. I wish the engine situation was resolved. I would have to consult somebody with a lot more knowledge than myself a lot of somebodies the didn't have Boeing's best interest in mind. Or some other company was just honest which is hard to find.

[@fata__morgana]

Swiss will take them. They're addicted to their c series

[@BobFirth]

The big question wasn’t answered, who is buying these 12 A220’s.

[@PeterRamselaar]

Source website pilootenvliegtuig EgyptAir sells A220s to leasing company February 2, 2024 |278 Views FORT LAUDERDALE - EgyptAir Express is getting rid of all its Airbus A220-300 aircraft. The planes are being sold to the American leasing company Azorra. By selling twelve aircraft of this type, which have been flying since 2019, the airline gets financial room for new Airbus widebody aircraft. In November 2023, it already signed for ten A350-900s. The addition of the twelve aircraft from EgyptAir complements Azorra's current A220 order book, most of which has already been placed with aviation customers worldwide.

[@dastankuspaev9217]

Go Embraer! 😂

[@ricky1231]

Economic troubles

[@NathanBrooks-x1c]

Bankruptcy is coming for Egypt

[@HardiansyahNotosaputro]

put derated LEAP-1A and fix this

[@TruthProvider]

Is that feasible?

[@jaymac3113]

Cash strapped airline looking to make money....most wanted plane in any fleet.

[@marcel1nq]

Penta&Won

[@prasenjittripura4691]

means those plane r not giving sufficient profit compare to newly added max😅😅

[@Bushpilot.]

굿굿

[@wmwadsworth]

This plane has issues, just no reporting.

[@Justathought81]

odd

[@akeyeguy7996]

Boeing bots here bigtime

[@nigelanthonylc4453]

Big mistake!

[@Flightfest900]

W

[@zakariahofra6027]

El SISS corruption

[@malvinjnrn7784]

Only if Lufthansa city took thrm

[@AbuZixer]

useless content, if you need to find the reason go to 3:14

[@prasenjittripura4691]

hahahha,,, airbus fanboi/keyboard warriors will take them all, dont worry😅😅😅😅😅

[@prasenjittripura4691]

Another disaster model from AB.

[@wadehiggins1114]

Pratt and Whitney, typical american problematic product.

[@Roboseal2]

Cfm has problems too bud.

[@wadehiggins1114]

@@Roboseal2 👍🏿

[@raynardandira4601]

first

[@michaelstapelberg7751]

egypt is billions and billions in debt

[@vsznry]

religious nationalism does that.

[@michaelstapelberg7751]

@@vsznry wrong!! its actually down to their new city in the desert! but thank you for the racism

[@DeepakKumar-lv4te]

who isn't ???