I'm tired of all the LIES.

Note: this is pre-patch 1.05. Like literally two days before.
If you want to analyze the full match without my commentary, here's a link to the twitch vod. I said I wouldn't pause too much but I got carried away LOL.
www.twitch.tv/videos/21672051...
Second channel: / @phidxunhinged
0:00 - Intro
1:30 - Some basic Devil Jin buttons
2:55 - This player's Layer 1
4:10 - Game Start
7:26 - My adjustment
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Intro/Outro by SKONK - / @bigskonk
Intro/Outro track by KEIFERGR33N - / @keifergr33n
Editors:
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Ceezd: / ceezd_
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shishi: / @shishi4
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I'm PhiDX, I play Tekken professionally for DSG, Chipotle, and ArcadeShock.

[@zerqz]

This set was extremely fun to play and watching it back is super cool to see. Ggs was fun and learned a lot

[@ChristopherWaddelow]

Were you the DvJ player?

[@venkkat3863]

@@ChristopherWaddelow really using our brains here aren't we

[@ChristopherWaddelow]

@@venkkat3863 nah, you can use your own brain, I'll use mine

[@PhiDX]

GGs! Would love to play more sometime 😁

[@outkast978]

@@ChristopherWaddelow bro, you struggling to understand how grammar works huh?

[@ahkyron8782]

LTG seething with this one

[@chiiheiral5365]

myguy malding when he thought deji is just a scrub strat abuser.

[@noobslayer1196]

LTG fundamentals are good. MainManSwe agrees having fought him.

[@maui954]

⁠​⁠@@chiiheiral5365 To be fair their matches we’re border line unplayable 200+ms 2f delay 2-3f rollback. It could’ve went either way fr

[@radiantblue1406]

​@@noobslayer1196 solid fundamentals wont save you from a bad mental

[@xxturbanboyxxful]

@@noobslayer1196bro pretty much plays fighting games for a living. It’d be a goddamn embarrassment if he didn’t have good fundamentals. Also the dude crumbles under pressure so hard. He’ll bitch about his opponent mashing while mashing into plus frames.

[@gattoresu7794]

I appreciate this. T8 is my first that I’ve invested some time into and I feel like a lot of people can easily fall into helplessness due to the overall aggression when I’ve always felt like there are answers but you gotta take risk to find them

[@KZ_Suntorn]

For sure dude. If people could figure out all the answers to every problem in fgs in the first few months then fgs would be very boring, lol. Some of that modern social media/skinner box brainrot at work, people want shit to be figured out up front.

[@-LAH]

the game is extremely hard for a beginner and most mechanics do seem impossible to implement into live gameplaty. that being said, if you stick with it and earnestly try to improve things do get easier. 200 hours in, i can now react to most snake edges, can low parry/duck strings and if I have a read, I'm quite consistently stepping and punishing most while running moves. i never would've thought it possible 10-100 hours in. i thought breaking throws was impossible too but now I can at least react to a throw animation and mash a guessed throw break. I think with more time i'll eventually recognise which arm. anyway, all this seemed impossible a couple months ago but gradually unlocking these skills has been extremely satisfying.

[@isshintheguy4172]

Genuinely. There was a time in Tekken 7 where i painstakingly practiced throw breaks vs Drag and now I don't even think about it when i break throws. Practice really does make perfect.

[@davidcunha01]

Very nice to hear that. You lab or rewatch your matches or you got better just by playing? And which rank you could reach?

[@shmooters5599]

Something I’ll always love about fighting games is that they all are games built around problem solving. Once you get past the point of execution and beginner knowledge, it becomes a test of how quickly you can assess and react to a situation. While it isn’t perfect at my level, it is always really cool to see pros continuously adapt and improve throughout a long match. You get to see them in real time pick up on each other’s habits and find solutions to their opponents solutions. It’s so much fun to watch these slight adjustments force the other players to rethink their approach, and come up with their own unique answer. It’s the whole reason I watch and started to play fighting games

[@jpVari]

Are you saying all the most recent fighting games don't just happen to be random? To be casino? Party games? There's a reason legacy skill is rewarded and the outcomes aren't dice rolls? Wait... That would mean I might have something to do with my outcomes........... Unacceptable!

[@Gabi24492]

People just love finding excuses for why they lose. "This game is random" "Scrub mechanics". "I play such a hard character and he's using a noob one" etc etc

[@aracystic28]

Honestly Phi, people just like to make excuses for their subpar performance. Tekken is an extremely challenging game and you don’t become amazing at it in only 4 months. Yes it can be frustrating, but what game can’t??? Because Tekken forces you to own up to your own mistakes it is infinitely easier to just blame the game. I’m not saying there aren’t any bugs or things that need to be improved, just that a lot of the stuff our brothers and sisters complain about is just…a skill issue.

[@bbnchris]

Aye brother I agree wit most of what you said. But how come when i throw a kick and someone does a throw they snatch up my leg without trading hits

[@bbnchris]

Ik this isnt like a glitch or anything but it makes me outrageously heated

[@danielcarbaugh4354]

Case in point, most of Phi’s twitch chat was barely paying attention to his lesson and were too busy bickering about how strong or weak DVJ is 🤦🏻 smh lol People get so hung up on character strength like there’s a huge gulf between characters and it’s just not true. I think we’ve seen plenty of character variety in T8 tourneys already. Especially compared to the end of T7 where it was Kuni, Feng, Akuma, and Geese in most top 8s. People don’t want to admit that the balance is pretty good because then it’s all on them and their lack of skill and work in preparation.

[@alexcoroian3983]

Agreed! I find myself doing it sometimes and I have to remind myself that I'm just raging and the real problem is my performance or knowledge of the matchup. that's the only way to keep learning and improve otherwise you stay tilted the whole time you're playing and end up hating yourself and the game.

[@Reseng]

Agreed 100%! In four months I've made it to Tenryu (first Tekken I've done ranked for) and I feel like my movement skills are JUST now beginning. I still have so much to learn and improve on and I've played something like 2000 matches now. Sounds like a lot but it really is not.

[@danielcarbaugh4354]

I think you could build on this Phi! I love the idea of a sort of Tekken Mythbusters where you take some of the most popular Twitter takes and disprove them through match examples. I think our community needs this pushback to encourage learning the game more and spend less time mindlessly complaining about every character in the game lol

[@burni988]

Yes I'd love that!!

[@16bitktempo]

this video doesnt change how stepping linear moves and getting clipped... "improved movement" stepping got buffed and so did tracking.. which means stepping didnt get buffed.

[@gogito_amvs8404]

This was very informative and good learning for both sides. I would be interested in seeing more of these analysis in the future.

[@bobhoskins-kl6ue]

“Sidestepping is worthless” - DSP

[@emeritus666]

The man was pushing buttons and didn’t do anything wrong. Snort

[@HellCat_Kenny]

Don't forget michael murray if you count paraphrasing.

[@BlueBeastGMNG]

I love these videos man! I wanna nerd out and you deliver!

[@naut6141]

“Complainers just need to get good” Or maybe people just have valid criticisms of the balance and reasons given for balancing, oh and a lot are from veteran Tekken fans? This games systems aren’t really all that complicated

[@Kuukeksi]

Great video, looking forward to your patch analysis 🙏

[@Falco_FGC]

Mans a better teacher than teachers in school lol

[@8o8waddles]

I love this video. Creating a gameplan in a match is something I struggle with and one of the biggest hurdles personally to progress. You talking about what you notice and your thought process to adapt are examples I needed to hear to help my own thought process. Thank you.

[@KripticHCS]

I believe what a lot of people complain about boils down to this: offense is being rewarded too much while legacy knowledge isn't overwhelmingly in their favor. And i can't help but agree with that take. I'm new to fighting games, yet made it to tekken king in 2 months. I just shouldn't be able to get there that quickly. I was grinding my ass off but regardless that shouldn't be possible in any case so i see myself as part of the problem. I know a lot of people will say rank is meaningless but for non competitors it still is a slap in the face in some way

[@merikijiya13]

Why shouldn’t it be that way? This is a new game going in a new direction. Either you adapt or get left behind. I don’t think there is anything wrong with the direction it has taken. Will people complain? Sure. But in previous Tekken games many new comers were complaining that legacy knowledge made coming into the game extremely unfun and daunting. Can’t please everyone.

[@KripticHCS]

@@merikijiya13 like i said, i am new so i can't really talk about anything other than my own perspective which is: this game is the most fun i have ever had, while also being the hardest game i ever got into.

[@merikijiya13]

@@KripticHCS I’ve been playing since T3 and I’m loving it. A lot of people are complaining about the difficulty of transitioning to the new play style because legacy knowledge is less valuable. But even the professional who complained about it admitted then just need time to adapt.

[@KripticHCS]

@@merikijiya13 yeah, i back your perspective. Sometimes it sucks to adapt to a new playstyle in a franchise you main but it isn't always for the worse. Had similar issues with my old main franchise but all you can do is adapt or be left behind

[@merikijiya13]

Also Tekken King in 2 months!? That’s impressive. You might be like a legit prodigy cuz that is most certainly not normal. Who knows maybe you’ll be in some Tekken tournaments in the future.

[@SuddenFool]

I mean the Sajam Slam you all showed a great amount of movement being important to win the fights. It was such an epic tourny and respect to all of you for you efforts :)

[@ED-cl7nl]

I LOVED this type of video. It scratches the exact same ick for Tekken that makes me nerd out about Tekken and keeps me wanting to learn about -and reach- higher levels of play. Movement, countering the counterplay of the counterplay, all the good stuff. Please, please more of those Phi!

[@MakingExplosions]

I think Devil Jin lacks ways to diversify approach. He's pretty good, but after you get used to his best options, the other options are a bit too slow/telegraphed.

[@commanderlars]

Did you just say that Devil Jin is pretty good... Come on man lol

[@yungslack7311]

Bro you devil jin mains are annoying Dudes a gimmick character anyway who can fly

[@alimehdikhan-vw6rv]

7:59 "We are good at listening to you."

[@TheKazuma410P]

It's just some small moments, but I've had round start sidesteps work and then my opponent would adjust by stepping with me to catch me off-guard. I've even had a player completely neutralize my gameplan with sidesteps once.

[@Sketchchess07]

I've been trying to pick up Steve since t8 launched and I've been having a rough time of it, being stuck in Mid/High orange. Watching your videos has helped me feel like I've just been going about learning him all wrong, and I think I'm learning things (I hope)! This video in particular made me realize just how complex Steve is and how I can't rely just on frametraps. Thanks Phi, you're the best.

[@tobiaseks]

man like Philip, keep up the great vids

[@SuperGamer82-24]

Hi man...such a nice set I've learned a lot and will definitely be applying that technical knowledge on D Jin players and see what will come out

[@Darksora79]

I’m adding this to my Steve folder

[@burni988]

Love this. I'm tired of the lies too.

[@dinoureta]

Hi Phi, awesome content as always. Do you have a guide on how to learn how to wake up while grounded and probably test the options during a match? Especially when on the wall.

[@razzruxofficial2223]

where is link to your second channel?

[@PhiDX]

Omg I forgot tysm youtube.com/@phidxunhinged?si=QAXM7RM3iOI0r0rf

[@PsychMan]

I'm patiently waiting for Phi to dissect the balance patch, especially since Steve got some significant changes to his lionheart.

[@ferneyzacarias1635]

This is why I love Tekken! Making adjustments and taking wins /set after a loss is incredibly satisfying

[@midnight_madman]

Good digestable match analyist bro with good break down.

[@AMLorick]

steve's jumping overhead rabbit punch and rabbit punch from flicker is the mixup i use for opponents who duck.

[@KiaiStudio]

TELL EM!

[@martypickens1257]

I’m a Tekken noob with smash as my only fighting game. Your videos have helped a lot, I feel like I am slowly improving! Thank you! I have a new obsession lol

[@H4th4w4y_]

The streets want more PhiUnhingedDX

[@ThePivotCreaters]

Would love to see sidestep drills for offense and defence in one video! Given the changes to make SS more useful in 1.05, I think it'd be a great time to capitalise on the change

[@kakimotoK20]

Really enjoying this video, not sure why but liking it more than some previous analysis

[@BuBornham]

This Devil Jin has the Daniel Ricciardo F1 helmet drip on

[@technothug8974]

Sorry Phi Devil Jin has no key buttons since 1.05

[@erichthegraham]

I think that a video/series of you picking matches so you can do what you did at 7:45 could be pretty cool. Specifically, I like the idea of you being like, "okay, here's this match, I'm gonna give you a hint but watch it through muted first and then come back and watch my commentary, as a way of exercising your analyses skills." You have some really great analysis/breakdowns, and something like this could help us coach ourselves a little better. Of course, now that I say that out loud I realize I'm essentially asking for free coaching so now I'm like, oops. Ah well, anyway great video as always thanks.

[@geronimoflair]

How can I get in the discord??

[@jimsface]

TALK TO EM PHI!!!

[@KahnzTV]

As a DVJ main at emperor myself I tend to get linear with my gameplan until someone does adjust as you did. It’s really fun fighting people that adjust and I’m not even remotely mad if they beat me purely on movement and timing

[@newphonewhodis7152]

So all i need to know is the property of every key move of every character and then i filter which of those are weak to the same option and do that?

[@merikijiya13]

Every player is different. You must adapt every game. Some people throw a lot. Some people do a lot of lows. Some people duck a lot. Some people know the matchup extremely well. Adapt every time.

[@newphonewhodis7152]

@@merikijiya13 its difficult if people one and done you tho. And i need to know answers for thousands moves is what my main problem is. I love adapting, conditioning and mind games, is just kinda difficult without knowing all the properties of all of those moves

[@merikijiya13]

@@newphonewhodis7152 it’s suppose to be difficult. That is what makes the victories rewarding. That’s what I love about Tekken. The complexity and difficulty.

[@Nomdro]

Love you, phi ❤️

[@405REDRUM405]

excellent break down

[@alexonstott4954]

Tekken 8 is only a scrub game if you are a scrub.

[@tryingtochangemyways5074]

Facts

[@Tekkenandgaming]

The game does have a big inconsistency problem though. And the aggressive noob friendly nature of the game doesn’t help some of these negatives the game has.

[@yelowninja]

yeah basically people say its scrubby because scrubs who don't know how to play the game are mashing

[@ripplecutter233]

Can confirm, I'm a scrub

[@Tekkenandgaming]

Also if pros are having trouble with the game and are saying the game has problems, not every complaint can be resolved with “scrubs are bad at the game”. It’s like this argument has bo middle ground lol

[@tea2750]

patch vid when

[@xbgsheikiii3593]

TOMORROW IS THE DAY 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Redrum2445]

Unless he already filmed a vid offstream talking it over, pretty sure he's just been spamming victor on ranked for the past like 4 -5 days. Granted I haven't watched every second of the vods, but the titling of the streams would also suggest it. Here's to hoping he talks about it today!

[@jibby_0989]

Bros glazin on it… tag me in ur getting tired phiiiiii when’s the patch vid 😩😩😩😫😫😫😫😩😩😫😩

[@zinv08]

The patch video is out.

[@hotshabu2007]

I hate the statement from people that like bashing on Tekken is that its over-bloated with moves and overcomplicated for no reason with no valid argument for it. I love Tekken for its depth and amount you can learn from each character. Meta's exist for every fighting game and some moves are more popular than others. Doesn't mean you can't use those other moves.

[@christhechilled]

Practice makes you better, always. I highly suggest that people get to know and UNDERSTAND T8 gameplay mechanics completely. Otherwise, you're gonna have a rough time online. Always.

[@misellus3931]

phi got his ass kicked as started taking notes instead of complaining. thats why hes a professional player and im hardstuck red

[@LilBigSmall]

Keep it up❤

[@destinbransford8094]

This is what im talking about, i really appreciate your content

[@bilalharis838]

phi will u make a breakdown video on chanel vs lowhigh grand final , its really cool to hear you breakdown such clutch sets ,

[@htyeung48]

The analyst is good and i liked the way it was broken down with different situation

[@jimdino77]

Thank you Phidx…. More strong players need to speak up against this scrub mentality. Arslan and Knee pretty much gave scrubs free reign to make excuses for their poor play, even when Arslan pivoted from his original stance

[@Shimari1221]

fellow steve mains we are saved with the new buffs to lionheart also 16-17 frame launch with crouching df2 is nice

[@sojusomi]

This is my first tekken what could the devil Jin do to counter the counter?

[@PhiDX]

bf2, df2, cd 1+2, but the risk of b1 is stopping him

[@Avelcain.Tekken]

Wow this dj player is wild ❤🎉

[@Derekdach344]

50/50s in this game still drive me insane

[@beastant12itachi8]

Phi will u be playing sparking zero ???

[@clairemadeinheaven]

KazuyaChaolon lol

[@achikvaracxelia7668]

side step is important game mechanic. rly important. some characters have better side steps then others and stuff. with sidesteps u can fully counter king now. if u don't stay too much in 1 place and sidestep sometimes between moves. ull beat any king.

[@johnnymo4000]

I'm new to Tekken, I'm using a low tier, and I'm loving it.

[@jinnosuke4463]

"This game isn't brain dead 50/50s" /proceeds to explain Devil Jin's primary 50/50.

[@real.creature1]

That devil jin character seems strong i think they should nerf his mids

[@antoniobanderas5316]

Don't know man, looking at Rangchu I aint to keen on moving...

[@ZenysIsTaken]

I genuinely need to know how would DvJ react to your adaptation.

[@alanmendez3887]

I love your videos phidx but when people say movement is dead they mainly mean korean backdashing/ 2d movement. Backdashing has been completely gutted to the point it is barely used in competitive play. You can do really well without back dashing unfortunately. My only wish is that the tekken devs decide to buff back dash since the game is already so overbearingly aggressive.

[@merikijiya13]

Not necessarily. Chikuren himself said he has found success with opting to use backdashing instead of kbd. Just because the movement has changed doesn’t mean it’s dead. I see a ton of the tekken community use such inflammatory language. “It’s dead” “that characters cheating because he has that one really good move” “throws are broken” like calm down it’s not that bad.

[@viktorkurious3340]

high level tekken always entertains me and is so cool but also look horrifying to even make tiny adjustments while theres an opponent breathing down your neck edit: also this is like one of the longest patch notes ive seen in a hot minute

[@vance4172]

Devil Jin patch notes broke my heart today 😞 he’s the only character I was really enjoying that much. Jin - not as cool as t7 Bryan - ^ Drag is Drag in this game Reina seems like my only choice but she is so advanced it’s hard to get to the same level as my DVJ 😅

[@zinv08]

Nice

[@sirbumblebee6245]

SSR -> Duck is a classic Virtua Fighter technique lol

[@wandilesibiya9749]

4-D Chess I love this bloody game.

[@loupast7587]

Hii phiii love your videos can you do a video against claudio next time? Like the usual strat against him ❤❤

[@E1iteWolf]

Always enjoy your content! But I regret trying to read both the twitch chats during this match. All I understood was hidetone is in love with a LoL character and people raging about (for and against) dvj.

[@PhiDX]

LOL

[@TheReayning]

Great analysis

[@churchofsmile]

hello chat :)

[@rahahtheking6160]

❤

[@grandruby5343]

I do like the video, but I would say potentially look at the lower ranks and evaluate what goes on their, simply due to the fact that it’d be nice to see evaluations of what lower skilled players are doing and why people constantly say it. Sure there’s a lot of knowledge that needs to be learned, but maybe there’s something there that can be talked about, rather than always going for the upper echelon of players that most people aren’t reaching or isn’t in the scope of most players.

[@waalker1206]

In the realm where warriors clash and fight, Emerges Phidx, a beacon bright, With skillful hands and a keen eye, You master the game, reaching for the sky. From every combo to every parry, Your moves are swift, precise, and wary, With each battle fought, your legend grows, A Tekken master, everyone knows. Your KZbin channel, a treasure trove, Of tips and tricks and epic shows, Guiding players through the Tekken lore, You teach, inspire, and so much more. With every stream, you bring delight, To fans who watch you day and night, A community built on respect and cheer, United by the passion you hold dear. Phidx, your journey’s a thrilling quest, Through trials and triumphs, you’re the best, May your path be filled with endless might, In every match, may you shine bright.

[@shintenkai1648]

People moaning about dragunov are the same people who suck at movement.

[@lucastonoli3256]

Dragunov's biggest weakness is sidestepping and ducking, two of the most demanding things for new players in any Tekken game.

[@kato093]

People crying about dragunov suck at everything, not just movement. They're gonna have a lot of fun after tomorrow's patch though. Dragunov bottom 5 without homing throws.

[@susulilith]

if your dragunov can be beat with just movement you're not playing the character or I guess you are, but at very average level, barely

[@lucastonoli3256]

@@susulilith Oversimplifications are not smart arguments, my dude, try harder.

[@KZ_Suntorn]

@@kato093 nah, he'll be fine. He has too much sauce to need to rely on homing throws. Forward-dash into throw solves the problem in a lot of cases anyways.

[@YaBoiBigSmoke147]

PHIIIII

[@Edcas1226]

Tekken 8 is active defense and people just aren’t use to that yet.

[@CDDT]

Old man meta analysis: The dvj had poor defense and was reliant on opponent atracks to get ws punish combos. Could then use heat pressure and safe tools. Your switch to ssr duck put him in the offensive position while also shutting down most of his flow chart, and u were able to get the same adv he had on you. He kept praying for ws combos and for u to play a nire proactive offense, but u stayed with a reactive offense. Overall: good adjustments but i think u missed the simple meta. Neither player controlled the other but u did control urself enough to tip the scales. If i was his coach i would have him build confidence in his defense so when u switched he could rely on timed ff2 and nuetral resets like ws4, df1, b4? To put u back into the attack mode of the 1st match. Both players did well at capitalizing thier adv and offense.

[@thmistrapillay1811]

"Sidestep is useless, this game is for brain dead noobs" *says a brain dead noob who can't sidestep*

[@Ilinca6]

Hi twitch

[@superblack898]

while yes, also I think this dvj just forgot what df21 does... would have been the fast enough option and safe enough to counter ssr duck. Also a lack of patience altogether and over reliance on the crushing properties of db2

[@PhiDX]

Fear of b1 and 1,2,1

[@superblack898]

@@PhiDX but still throwing out hellsweep raw?

[@kayanims]

Imagine complementing your opponent

[@imrilevi7839]

where can i find you discord?

[@zMadaraUchiha]

This game is officially a 2D Fighter now lmao. Poor Tekken, I miss the tag 2 and Tekken 5 days

[@merikijiya13]

Tag 2!? Oh hell nah.

[@symonheiloguu]

Ill ne honest, Tekken 8 is a very scrub game, man, i know you want to be positive, but it is what it is. They've destroyed a ceiling of fundamentals to make the game easier for casuals, and now its so aggressive that is just boring to play, i feel exhausted with every round and i have no energy to play for more than 20 minutes, and every playthrough gives me headache, i dont think the game is fun and i dont think its a good game. I play since Tekken 3, i never felt that way about a tekken game.

[@addydiesel6627]

Your experience with Tekken since T3 speaks volumes. Tekken is supposed to be like a modern CHESS. Fundamentals should not change so drastically. Otherwise it's not really Tekken but something else. They should have called it Tekken smash hoes or something similar 😂

[@ThatPinkOtter]

Saying movement in Tekken 8 is useless is a bit of an exaggeration. Saying movement is significantly weaker in Tekken 8 (before 1.05) than it was in Tekken 7 is true though. Sidestepping u1+2 on Victor is inconsistent at best and impossible at worst depending on your character and there are TONS of plus/safe on block half screen WR2/FF2 or similar tools that can't be stepped. It's no coincidence that a good portion of the strongest characters in the game have these tools. Try using movement against say a Reina, a character who's offense comes primarily from movement and invalidating your own defensive movement with an unsteppable safe on block f,f2 that leads to 50/50s. I'm an old player myself, I'm TG in T7 and TGS in T8. Invalidating the complaints about movement-- which is what this is because it works on a mid-tier at best character who's weaknesses were present in T7 when there are a lot of characters in T8 who don't share this weakness and saying (clickbait or not) the problem isn't real, saying that only bad players think this way can leave the game balance in a sorry state. No one wants the horrendously stupid, brainless offense/pressure that comes from these unsteppable safe on block half screen 50/50s and the devs seem to see what the problems are. Patch 1.05 will make defensive movement significantly more viable/important, which is all anyone can ask for.

[@micman963]

Good comment. There's also a issue where there's like no middle ground in the discourse either, where it's either it side stepping doesn't help at all or it helps a lot somehow. The reality is that side stepping is far more niche and risky in T8, than it ever was in T7 or before and it's by design from the devs. Hopefully patches going forward can start to make movement a primary focus again

[@ThatPinkOtter]

​@@micman963 Thanks! I feel like the way the video was framed was intentionally inflammatory, maybe it's the way I'm seeing things but I took it as insulting people for saying movement is bad in T8. There's not much merit in saying something is strong/weak and berating people based on skill level without first asking why they think the way they do, while it's true most lower level player's movement is bad, there's still a valid reason to complain about movement. The fact of the matter is that before the most recent patch sidestepping was like you said, a risk. In T7 stepping and movement was a lot of MU knowledge that you could use to force your opponent to resort to other options like we saw in the video here with Devil Jin. DJ isn't the entire roster, more characters should be like Devil Jin, less should be like Victor. It'd make for a much better experience for the people who CAN make use of movement. Addressing this instead of saying "Look I can step/duck x character's layer 1" screams to me like people want more tools like U1+2, that's almost certainly not the case, but by turning a blind eye and dismissing the complaints there's no reason DLC characters moving forward won't have these let's be honest unfair/unfun tools. I look at what I see in ranked in mid to high level play and more often than not you see characters with tools like these. If you try and shut out Reina's, Drag's or Zafina's layer 1 with movement In all but Reina's case it's a risk, with Reina you absolutely have to respect f,f2 when you give her space and if you don't she has a hit-confirmable 112, where her only major weakness is her mediocre lows.. Which would matter if her pressure didn't more than compensate for that. These are things that I'm glad to see changing in 1.05, and I'm really hoping new characters moving forward won't have Victor/Reina's unsteppable nonsense. And just for the record I'm an old Jin/Asuka/Lidia player and I also do play Reina, I know the character is BS. I have a huge issue with Reina/Victor because they're new and have tools other characters by and large simply don't, tools that thank Harada have finally been made more fair. Edit: Also thank GOD they made heat burst/smash more steppable, I finally feel like I can punish people acting out of turn on my Asuka.

[@micman963]

@@ThatPinkOtter I'm def worried that DLC characters will launch with tools like the ones you mentioned, it's like a sure fire way to get people to buy a character. Atleast this patch was a step in the right direction

[@jadhamasha2166]

We need a patch vid and can you please explain xiaoyu phoenix change

[@drlkf6728]

I think you are talking about a different game than what most people play. You are playing extremely high-level players who understand the game much more than anything lower than gold rank players in Tekken 8. In lower ranks, while what you're describing definitely works, the opponent is conditioned for one round and basically does a brain wipe at the beginning of the next, so all your conditioning goes out the window and you have to start all over again, and that's what really frustrating, every other opponent I feel like I have to spend half the round teaching them what a 50/50 is because they just won't stop mashing their bullshit strings/evasion/power crush moves, THEN they start blocking when they realize they can't mash in disadvantage, THEN after 2-3 hellsweeps they'll start ducking. I have to do ALL the mental work for them to actually play the game, meanwhile they get practically the same reward for complete unga. It's not that movement is useless (although it's severely underpowered compared to mashing your character's respective bullshit), it's that you have to work so hard to make it work compared to knowledge checks and flowcharts. For context, I'm a Tekken 8 newcomer, blue rank Devil Jin (formerly Kazuya, hailing from Smash Ultimate) main, and while I've already stated that I think movement is not strong enough, I'd rather not go the overwhelmingly defensive route of Tekken 7. I think there's a lot of room to find the middle ground between Tekken 7 and current Tekken 8 that would be more enjoyable for more defensive players.

[@samsoniteprosser591]

I think psychologically its easier to blame the game for being scrubby versus doing the hard work of finding these interactions. Its pretty quick to get to purple ranks (2 months or so of consistent practice from total beginner), but the progress really starts to slow down as the skill difference per rank expands. Thanks for showing and explaining that its not just a bunch of 50/50s that gets you to Tekken God or God of Destruction. Anyone can take a 1 and done off if their main game-plan beats their opponent, but as you've demonstrated it takes a very high level of play to analyze and figure out how to counter the main game-plan in game 2. Keep up the good work Phi!

[@crustypaff452]

Its just more frustrating to play I guess because there are a lot more moves that surprised me sometimes like bryan qcb 1... I feel like everyone is like kazuya also in this game with the 50:50 that I kind ajust rolled my eyes sometime... Its not unplayable and no skill... its just not fun compared to T7 where you can play poke and spacing... I main lee in T7 and seeing how he plays in T8 now makes me drop him... just my opinion...

[@epictcg4424]

You want to know a good example is when AK vs Farzeen when he was playing victor no one was side stepping victor heat .... But AK was doing it and he won the round. The whole time everyone blocked and was getting chipped to death or simply getting hit by it but because he was stepping it... that was some next level tekken and it shows...how good pro player are compare to us monkeys.

[@FieryAnubis]

Steam forums in complete shambles rn