"PhiDX, how do I deal with lows?"

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I'm PhiDX, I play Tekken professionally for DSG, Chipotle, and ArcadeShock.

[@KingOfBladesPL]

This took me longer than I'd like to admit to internalize: getting hit with a low poke doesn't mean that not ducking was a mistake.

[@filmrecorder5717]

what

[@kinganonymous2672]

"Launching lows are balanced around the fact that they're reactable" Feng: So you're just gonna ignore me then?

[@meowthing]

*Laughs in Kazuya hellsweep*

[@kinganonymous2672]

@@meowthing Kazuya's hellsweep doesn't even launch and it's already enough to start ducking against him. Now imagine Feng's sweep full on launching you for big damage

[@meowthing]

@@kinganonymous2672 true, but my purple ranked brain can't react to kazs sweep and he gets an easy 30 chip dmg every time :(

[@zin5582]

@@meowthingyou don’t react to kazuyas hella sweep it’s intentionally unreactable

[@Pabz16]

Feng's sidestep low launch and back turned low launch are both reactable. Other than that, what's hitting you?

[@Hypercube1729]

"It's always _PhiDX, how do I ... never PhiDX, how are you_ "

[@SmilingFist]

im starting it

[@ggbhtg]

It's never "How do you do Phi" 😞

[@Carsu12]

how do i how are you?

[@panzerfaust8452]

Aight bet, next time anyone asks him, phrase it like: "PhiDX, how are you gonna deal against heat engaged/stance mixups?" or something.

[@spoondini7980]

I always try to remind myself that Tekken is hard, but I found myself getting frustrated with my struggle to block lows. Hearing "it's supposed to be difficult" reminded me that EVERYTHING is hard

[@Redtube831]

Yea bro I’m hard rn

[@ividboy7616]

But everyone else online makes it look so EASY it's unfair why cant I do that

[@mcdinglebingle]

@@ividboy7616 if PC players I just assume cheating. Ive been coming across more and more people that somehow react on frame 1 -_-

[@casbalt7763]

I turned off crossplay and noticed things got a lot better actually

[@jervaniwilliams9071]

​@@mcdinglebingle I play on pc and I don't notice cheating

[@SapSapirot]

I feel for the guy in chat that said "Please teach me how to react to devil jin hellsweep" - oh you sweet summer child, we've all been there. Its unreactable though its too fast.

[@rogercolon619]

Only way to block it is to guess 😂

[@vaultdweller966]

This comment made me stop hating myself for failing to react to hellsweep, thanks

[@darkinertia2]

my toxic trait is that i dont wanna block lows, i wanna read them and LP everything lol. i got that mike ross gene with obsession over reads and it very rarely works out in my favor but when it does and you scare off someone from using lows the entire set, it makes you forget the 10 losses before

[@666slateran666]

You're destined to become 4th in a big tournament

[@panzerfaust8452]

Well, it is kinda goated, since I try to do that myself, but in reality it's a lot better to parry lows in strings, like, Jin's 1,3,4, rather than every low. Any low that has a HUGE minus on block is a godsend if you properly punish that. Also I am a victim of low parries myself, because the backbone of my Shaheen gameplay (F2,4,4) is being low parried my brain just halts for like a whole round. Man, I should work on it.

[@kajetanmiliankovic3183]

hold down back innit

[@progste]

Nice mid you just ate...

[@TenkenAshura]

😂😂 this shit had me rolling good

[@TigersPawYT]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kyx5631]

I love it when Phi goes explanation mode in the middle of the match. How he goes into detail from match 2 onwards is just chef's kiss.

[@Falcopuns]

Im glad he touches on risk mitigation because sometimes I be getting as close to the enemy as possible and wondering why im getting mixed up lmao.

[@kronksstronkstonks6360]

I'm really guilt of this. Kazuyas best range: keepout/wavedash distance from opponent. My usual range from opponent: stepping on their toes. Then I'll proceed to wonder why Reina, King and Hwoarang absolutely melt me.

[@taethesensei8128]

My brain: he's going for a low opp: goes for low me: still doesn't react

[@ChristopherWaddelow]

Sometimes it takes a while for the muscle memory and brain to cooperate 😔

[@Icycrackedpanda]

I think your reacting to the input you wanna do after the low maybe you’re thinking 2-4 steps ahead and doing the actions out order like trying to punish before the low actually comes out and getting clipped for it That’s what I was doing after rewatching my matches I slowed myself down and started eating lows then slowly tried to find the balance still hard stuck purple but the matches are getting easier and I’m finding success more and more frequently

[@taethesensei8128]

@@Icycrackedpanda bro, you were spot on lol. That's a flaw I have in my game play. I'm always tryna think ahead lol. I'll work on that moving forward. Thanks for the input🤘💯

[@taethesensei8128]

@@ChristopherWaddelow unfortunately😭

[@thestanimal6076]

"I GET HIT BY SNAKE EDGES ALL THE TIME" OOH THANK GOD IM NOT ALONE

[@sleepybinch]

Is there a different logic when you're fighting characters with a good low game? Chars like Mishimas who get a combo off an unreactable low, or chars like Hwoarang who will keep harassing you with strings that incorporate lows, you can't really go with the logic of just taking the low until it gets predictable, esp past low level where people's mixups aren't so obvious anymore

[@PhiDX]

It depends! If people really are willing to do the low 50 times, then yeah answering it matters. But a lot of low-mid level players also have anxiety of their lows being blocked and decide to go mid eventually

[@marlinmurrell620]

I don't think Mishimas have lows that lead to full combos. (Other that Devin Jin probably)

[@m3lodeth]

Phi: takes a d2 all day Me: takes snake edge all day

[@Vospi]

04:55 fantastic bird noise skill, love it! (For real, I rewound twice to watch that :))

[@TheTraceIrving]

I got more of a monkey sound from it

[@garymichalles8383]

😂😂😂

[@Kaiilayn]

Same man haha

[@kakumeidash]

0:17 we dont have to respond every low, but tasty steve once said... "do it again.. do it again.. do it again.. do it again.." how about that phidx?

[@maikelm20]

They never expect it 3 times

[@filililililililililililipo4493]

Thank you for this video. As a relative newcomer to fgs I was actually in the mindset that I need to learn to block all or most lows and it did seem like a near impossibility when I thought about it but I couldnt find any video like this when I looked for one

[@its_just_yuki]

I think this just gave me a better understanding of situations like this. Also with the launching lows. Thank you, Phi!

[@huckleberryjam4975]

Lows, how do I deal with PhiDX?

[@Dapperdanny]

That Steve combo in set 2 round 1 was insane!!!

[@protagonist_koon2260]

I seen that LH into pkb transition you ain’t slick💀

[@vJDiZZ]

I thought they patched it!!

[@Adderflail]

This is old footage

[@protagonist_koon2260]

@@Adderflail I was bout to say

[@eduardoserpa1682]

This is definitely my favorite thing about Tekken. You eat a fast low, you get information, and life moves on with a slight HP deficit you come back from. Kinda like blocking fireballs in 2D games with chip damage, but a little bit stronger.

[@Carsu12]

It's always "how do I", but never "how are you"

[@vaer-k]

This video was so much more helpful for understanding tekkn as a whole than it was just for understanding lows. (it was helpful for understanding lows too)

[@VanguardTaco]

9:02 “IF YOU CAN DRIVE A CAR, YOU CAN PLAY TEKKEN BRO”

[@aracystic28]

Phi - your brain is so big man. I love the way you explain things. This video came right on time!!

[@xxscarpi]

Nice Phi this is a really good vid. Looking forward to the spacing one

[@reirei_tk]

Honestly sometimes ya just gotta guess 🤷🏻

[@berkaykilic5883]

Its really simple. In tekken you have side stepping options, which eliminate MULTIPLE options of the enemy. For example: you can step kazuyas hellsweep to the left, and at the same time his electrics too, devilman too, etc. So if u can constantly step to the side, u force him to use his homing move, which is -12 on block. He takes a risk, while ur just sidesteppin and blocking. If he use homing, u punish it and utilize ur + frames. Now mix him up. Ofc this works for every character in differenty patterns but its the same principle

[@tehpoecuk]

5:04 i relate that "wow im ass" after a failed cancel into ws1,2 on personal level lol

[@kronksstronkstonks6360]

"I doubt he's gonna rematch me, bro - Oh nice, he did! Love it!" Almost as relatable as trying to deal with lows I dont need to before I get mid launched.

[@jzero3g]

Nice little training routine. Btw are you gonna do the 2nd part of side stepping vid? Would love yo see the 2nd part of the side stepping guide esp after this last patch

[@blazaybla22]

One thing I had to learn about Tekken coming from 2D games, and Tekken vets can correct me if I’m wrong: Fast lows in Tekken feel like the equivalent of universal overheads in 2D games, and stand blocking is like the crouch blocking of 2D games except even stronger because there’s not really a Tekken equivalent to eating a big combo that starts with a jump-in (UNLESS you’re mashing). Like, do universal overheads in games like DBFZ and MK11 do damage? Sure. Do they give your opponent frame advantage? Sure. Do they change the status quo that against most characters you’re probably going to want to default to crouch blocking? I wouldn’t say so, and in my limited experience lows and stand blocking in Tekken seem to be the equivalent. If you come from an NRS game where canned overhead/low mix means you’re going to want to practice against certain strings, or DBFZ where IADs are a major mixup tool, you might think you need to make a strong effort to block every low, the same as you need to block every overhead combo starter string, or every IAD combo starter in DBFZ, but you really don’t… I mean, not at first, anyway. The reactable lows, yes, definitely make an effort to block those. Of course that’s just like… complete beginner advice. Anyone who knows anything about Tekken will probably either not need to hear that or even disagree with me, but that’s what helped me, anyway.

[@Aldrenean]

of course, "reactable" in tekken means "possible to react to about 50% of the time if you spend several hours in training for that specific character".

[@jonnysimpson093]

Yeah call me a scrub if you want but there are way too many matchup specific things in this game. “Just sidestep” sidesteps only work if you have a good read on a stepable move and you know which way specifically you have to step for that move for that character it’s to much. And on top of that almost every move tracks even if it’s not homing so what’s the point. Like they made throws “stepable” but exempted almost all of drags throws and a lot of kings. They were the problem. The generic 1+2 isn’t giving me that much trouble it’s drag and king endlessly throwing I have an A in throw breaks but you can’t break them all and they’re all still tracking and they have throw mixups on top of everything else. I just wish there was a little more general application for things like ducking and stepping and preventing throw spamming

[@Aldrenean]

@@jonnysimpson093 a general tip that might help is just to step a little later. The reason that some non-tracking moves feel like they're tracking is likely because you're stepping before the move actually comes out, so when it does it realigns to your new position.

[@treehann]

This might just be a random part of a stream but it’s one of your best uploads so far IMO, at least for early players like myself. In purple ranks people are still struggling with the basics. This video distills down so many important aspects of tekken!

[@sstanford1331]

Yu really gotta check out his other vids

[@kings_of_tekken6795]

9:23 it helps if during this reaction training, if you slow down the game so your brain can react, and then slowly increase the speed.you can slow any game with cheat engine, for training purposes offline i mean.

[@InnerTriggerer]

Demo Man join the chat

[@ww34bruno81]

I see you with the lion tech into peekaboo 👌🏿

[@cecilytait2312]

Watching u play with the pad is crazy it’s like an art

[@Kiboxd]

PhiDX, how should i decide which 50/50 is more dangerouse for me? Example -> Kazuya wave dash at me on Oki. I have 40 hp % and he also have 40 % hp. We can both die in 1 combo. In this situation, should i pick standing still, coz mid will lauch me, and i can take 2-3 lows, or should i risk it and block low, beacuse if i guess correctly i can win there? Is there any good anserw for that? And also as Kazuya, what is the correct desiosion in this situation? Sorry if this is dumb question, but i have some problems in "theory" of 50/50 :D

[@odkgame693]

There is no answer for your question. It's 50/50 so the decision making depends on player. This is a mind game. Game 1 it's impossible to make a correct read in this situation. But you must be able to read your opponents mindset. For example if during the match your opponent used powercrush/ra or mashed in minus frames there is a bigger chance that he would do double hellsweep without fear. You can find a video on "friendly koala" channel about reading your opponent mood "hwoarang with 100% strategy"

[@knightmoonbeam785]

There is no right or wrong, u just block what u think your opponent would do in this situation Some players do mix ups and some will always do the same. U have 2 rounds to find out what kind of player your opponent is, just try to pay attention to it

[@DerpyPloo]

You should 1000% wakeup hopkick, will always win, trust.

[@randomhubbard3792]

You treat lows like chip damage for blocking mids all day. Unless you see it coming or it's gonna kill you, it's okay to eat it. -Lord Arnis probably. I remember him saying that when chat asked him a question on the same topic. Nice insightful breakdown

[@aghilesbessad6946]

I never block low, it's always on reaction or on a read but never mindlessly block low. When i learned that in t7 i went from gembu to raijin in 1 week.

[@Ojakzgamin]

i assume this video is made before 1.04 bc i saw that dope ass lh>pkb transition at 2:10 great vid tho

[@Prog242]

You don't "deal" with lows, it's the maths of chance. e.g. Howarang Slap-Kick flow chart: RFS f4(H) > f4(H) > f4(H) > df4(M) mix (H) w/ (M) and then (M) w/ (L) opp duck first=0% success(you'll get launched everytime) opp duck second: 50/50, third ~75% (you can reasonably predict opp's def) fourth should be ~85-95% (if you always M on 4th / mix with lows) You can't reasonably predict opps defense past that 4th moment. you can replace any of the (H)igh with (L)ows to make opp duck then hit the (M)id. Remember the rule of 3: most opponents will only block wrong twice at maximum. You can play that same flowchart with (M) to make opp standing guard, then hit them with a Low.

[@Cherilyn_45]

Thanks for this vid. Really helpful. But geez so many things to fix with my gameplay...

[@superduper8]

that outrow is just dope

[@6thdim]

I was scrolling fast and read: “PhiDX, how do I deal with love?” And honestly I got more excited than i probably should have

[@AbsolutelyAbsurDDD]

Adjusting to Tekken is still really hard for me. I put most of my time into DBFZ, and Type Lumina which are games with much more streamlined offense and neutral. I somewhat adapted to Tekken's gameplay, but sidestepping is still a mystery to me, and I feel like that's why I'm stuck demoting and promoting from Bushin/Tekken King. It still doesn't make sense to me, I get using it to be linear approaches like wr options but I don't understand how higher level players approach sidestepping. Anyone have any advice?

[@clippsz]

Bruh look up “legendkicker lateral movement in tekken” I’m a much lower rank than you so idk if it’ll help but I think this might open ur eyes a little bit

[@R_J8]

ATP said it best imo during T7: lows aren’t like lows in other fighting games, they’re more like chip.

[@00Spiral007]

PhiDX, I have a request for the community. If possible, could you compile all the reactable lows? There's not a video on YT for it for Tekken 8. We know most the cast has them, but having one visual compendium would be highly useful for a lot of players. Right now, it's kind of the wild west on this topic. There's general advice, and there's character by character guides, but having one visual guide would help newer players recognize the visual cues better, or even open their eyes to it being reactable.

[@gidy484]

Can you explain how you are supposed to block hellsweeps?

[@PUNCHEDPUNCHEDPUNCHED]

It's easy bro just look 10 seconds into the future, you will never guess wrong

[@IzuMido-t1m]

I’m going to be real with u, sometimes I don’t be knowing what be going on in tekken😭😂

[@mr.upcoming7888]

lol bro fax

[@FearSubaru]

Sometimes?😢

[@Perry_Talion]

​@FearSubaru Schizophrenic inspired Yoshi players and other hard read mains... Players be random sometimes.

[@sulisuli35]

😭😭😭😭 just vibes fr

[@AK-sw1nj]

fr i just play the game and made it to fujin somehow

[@kings_of_tekken6795]

8:05 oh Pleeeese. i was able to block on reaction Lars's 21 frame low.ofcourse i was training to block lows for 30 days straight at that time.but it did happen.you can increase your reaction speed with practice.PLUS i think you can block draganov's D2 with some months of training specificly against that D2.and its 19 frames i think .Yes?

[@aDSdl_l]

Is it a mistake to never block lows, and to just go for the low parry thing? Cause if I did the work of reading the low, I might as well get rewarded for it right?

[@Mhashim118]

Parrying isnt always the best option, some lows cant be parried, other lows can be blocked and launched for a full combo rather than having a parrys damage

[@walduskiepski5312]

Sawing from which hand is grab going to be or slow low is eye working... Something like sharingan

[@hands-ongaming7180]

Naw but fr this question shouldn’t be this hard yet it is 😭

[@tristanherb49]

what do you mean with that?

[@YoDex1]

Woke up to my goat uploading 🎉

[@somebodynobody5677]

You know I thought about asking this on stream one time but I saved myself the embarrassment

[@HarmonicResonanceScale]

Low blocking always gets me clipped with mids.

[@A_Salad_Dino]

wait how old is this recording? I thought they patched out the lionheart to peekaboo tech

[@PhiDX]

Very old

[@yomancho7416]

How to mitigate dmg as a noob. 1. Punish strings/atks 2. Break throws 3. Block reactable lows

[@ChristopherWaddelow]

4. Don't have your nose touching the opponents: backdash

[@noelvermillia]

I was waiting the whole video if demoman and hellsweep would be mentioned at all.

[@quelldieu7263]

i mash down to block it oh wait i think thats teabagging XD

[@solarfission9975]

Was this not posted before?

[@hermankermit-warm1121]

The same way you deal with anything in MashHero 8 - hit an attack button

[@dhirensdynamicchessnew2524]

Did PhiD just "plink" the lionheart stance into PKB at 2:11? Wtf was that!

[@booleann___]

I was wondering the same thing

[@Ojakzgamin]

this vid recorded long time ago i assume, before 1.04 or 1.03 patch (i forgor) u can transition from lh to pkb by doing some cool just frame tech. they removed it.

[@SpytFyreAxel]

Just wanna tell you that all drags after low ESPECIALLY BY THE WALL THEY DO THE LOW TO MID MOVE! 0:13

[@carloshernandez3177]

Yes and even if you get hit, the followups are stepable to the left, just immediately sidewalk left and Drag will miss any moves and you get a free launch

[@edxlee]

is 21 frames what most pros can react to? I always wondered if Nina's 20frame lows were reactable

[@benhutchison2538]

Is your Steve wearing a phidx cosplay?

[@alexandrospapanikolaou3332]

PhiDX : "block em" Me: "???? 🤯🤯"

[@TheAnomaly330]

I just eat lows all day EVERYTIME I try and guess low I get launched 😅

[@eggjones6039]

Not the SteveDX 💀

[@ssgcheddar5785]

Great Video PhiDX!

[@ShikaStyle123]

How come you are a Tenryu with only 125k prowess when you have a GoD Lili main? Did you create a new account just for Steve?

[@alejandropalermo2814]

I know its supposed to be reactable, but i really struggle with Kazuya Hellsweep, cause he got a lot of options from the crouch dash ( other mishimas have similar moves as well ) like in a split second i have to react between a low and a mid

[@PhiDX]

Hellsweep is not reactable!

[@alejandropalermo2814]

@@PhiDX ohh I thaught I was the slow one... then how is that right? it got a unreactable launching low that can be mixed with mids from the crouch dash 🤔 probably asking something already said a million times but, what is the correct strategy to avoid it, if its not magically react to it ? whenever I see a Kazuya crouch dash into me, should I SSL and hope for the best?

[@iluvazrael]

@@alejandropalermo2814the mixup is only real when he’s wavedashing in your face as you’ve said You can prevent this by playing keep out (preemptive buttons to halt opponent forward movement). it’s why the game is not a 50/50 simulator. You can stop the mixup from ever happening in the first place

[@DerpyPloo]

@@alejandropalermo2814 Side walking left beats his hellsweep, mid launcher and the EWGF out of crouch dash (has to be timed well but it literally counters all those CD options).

[@alejandropalermo2814]

@@DerpyPloo I’ll try to do that, thanks.

[@kayne7380]

Why were low parries not mentioned? If you recognize a pattern like an oppenent doing 2 lows in a row, a low some mids and a low, etc.

[@PhiDX]

Low blocks and low parries are mainly deciding between reward. Some low block punishes are better

[@kayne7380]

@@PhiDX ahhhh right, damage difference. Thanks!! With the lili nerfs i guess you're going back to steve?

[@twistedlogic8721]

3 am PHI…. lol we up!!!!

[@Yamisaru]

Aw a veteran ankle snatcher the opposite can also apply . I do 2 to 3 lows then hit you with a mid.

[@andrilino9898]

In tekken low attack just do d or db ??

[@sundern1689]

this must be an old video because i saw a peekaboo cancel

[@Gboythunda]

Except for feng, ling, and asuka with they 20 f launching low

[@deathbringer9893]

what about people like Lee his lows are actually kinda good and his highs also make you want to crouch as they have mega plus frames(+5)

[@leeentertainmentchannel247]

These videos provide really great value for noobs. U actually a good instructor

[@avgoldhead7207]

Thanks for me not feel crazy about eating lows that don't kill me 😂😂😂😂.

[@thepowercouple-te1jn]

Tell me if this is a bad idea . I take enough lows to read their flow most people get themselves into a flow and do the same patterns

[@egg.8320]

feng ss4

[@gamingvalue372]

every Low like Snake Edge that can Launch you has a Audio indication just listen for this

[@minecraft2823]

dont think its a good idea cuz some characters have same sounds for other moves, plus u wont be able to hear it if you were on a tournament with 0 audio

[@KZ_Suntorn]

The video literally showcases a snake edge that shares an audio cue with a mid dude. 8:33

[@grandruby5343]

If you do that there’s a chance you get completely blown up by some moves. Brian’s B1 and Snake Edge have the same audio queue.

[@zinv08]

How does one switch between playing 2 characters and not be utterly confused every time?

[@mariobros311]

>Me, who plays the roster 😅 All seriousness, however, it's just muscle memory.

[@666slateran666]

Try playing 5 characters lol

[@DrWho1596]

The only low that’s low risk high reward is the demo man for Paul Phoenix :) why is it the way that it is?

[@anismuhaj4495]

Predict predict the future predict

[@yukiofukushima390]

Low-Parry when? 😅

[@yasha3916]

I just spam df in between b when I intuit a low or I see a big one like a snake edge.

[@savageage1177]

some people have better or worse reactions so some people have to train more. me for example im not gonna say i can react to drag's hatchet kick on command. 9/10 times i block it by prediction. but there is the one time where i wont be looking out for it but my body acts before my mind does and i block it on reaction. sadly im never prepared to punish it cuz i always shock myself when that happens 🤣

[@SolAngel-2002]

Phi please make your red rank steps video im on the edge of my seat here

[@finalflash98]

got shitted on by a lili player that alternated between different lows and it made me so mad. great timing phidx

[@patrick28357]

👍

[@latethelegend]

I need so much help with the hwoarang matchup pleaseeee

[@moeezy30]

Noted

[@DaggerPrince]

nice video.

[@SmilingFist]

PhiDX how are you