I'd probably just replace the BIOS chip. I have a dead 6900XT PCB that should have 2 perfectly good BIOS chips on it.
@EfrainMan2 жыл бұрын
The man, the myth, the legend.
@Verzox2 жыл бұрын
great idea but don't let Jay do any soldering.
@xXxJakobxXx32 жыл бұрын
May I ask why you have a dead PCB of this card? Every single one of them is under two years old, why didn’t you ask for a RMA under warranty?
@Rspsand072 жыл бұрын
@@xXxJakobxXx3 It's buildzoid. He probably killed it with a shunt mod and like 1000W
2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a good video! I did a EPROM swap on a PC NVIDIA Quadro K5000 to a bigger one so it would fit the Mac version of the bios, we burned the eprom first then I replaced the old eprom with the PC bios with the new chip with the Mac version and that was easy with some hot air and amtech flux. The Mac was happy as ever and worked as intended with the new bios and eprom. Would be cool with a colab between you an Jay and people can see some rework in action!
@EvernooBE2 жыл бұрын
RIP....just in time for the 6950. Coincidence? I THINK NOT! (well played Phil)
@mjc09612 жыл бұрын
Why wait for the 6950 when the 3090Tie is already waiting? 🙃
@antonwilkens96942 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@TheBlueBunnyKen2 жыл бұрын
3090ti is an overpriced waste of money
@smartgorilla2 жыл бұрын
Mined it and next GPU as the electric is free
@Delver6392 жыл бұрын
@@TheBlueBunnyKen overpriced waste of energy bills 😆
@Lil_Puppy2 жыл бұрын
The bios chip actually worked fine, at least on 3 of it's connectors to the motherboard, you were able to successfully program it. The motherboard has a problem reading it, which is a different pin. You might be able to fix it with a reflow or redo the soldering properly but you'll have to find the correct one. Or you could find a donor card that's broken because of some other issue and swap chips. In either case, you'll have to resolder the bios chip to fix it.
@Numfuddle2 жыл бұрын
QSPI nor flash devices use the same pins for both reading and writing. You have chip select, clock, and up to four data lines. I also reckon that the flash tool does a verify after programming so the fact that the flash process worked tells me that the flash device itself is fine
@big0bad0brad2 жыл бұрын
@@Numfuddle Correct, they are not using dual/triple ported flash chips, if such things even exist.
@angelicsailor1st2 жыл бұрын
@@Numfuddle this is honestly a bit of a conundrum I’m assuming Jay doesn’t want to open it up and have to solder anything but aside from replacement of parts I don’t know what else could be done
@Numfuddle2 жыл бұрын
@@angelicsailor1st QSPI devices can use 1, 2 or 4 data lines. The more data lines you have the higher the read speed. (there’s also octa flash which uses up to eight but they are not normally used for uefi applications). Quad devices (4 data lines) can also use dual or single SPI modes for backwards compatibility. So what could have happened is that the flash tool only uses single or dual mode to program and verify, while the actual bios load on power up uses quad mode for speed. In that case it could actually be the case that some of the data lines are not connected properly and reading the bios on boot fails.
@teardowndan53642 жыл бұрын
@@Numfuddle Maybe the endpoint controller handing SPI program-verify runs at slower speeds than the 120-165MT/s while passing data to the CPU/RAM at boot and only has problems at those higher speeds.
@TheOneTonHammer2 жыл бұрын
Board level repair for a bios chip is pretty straight forward for anyone with board level repair skills. Usually the troubleshooting is the tuff part, trying to determine the failed component, and you've already done that.
@xiiitalons2 жыл бұрын
I ironically had an issue recently myself where my AMD drivers "uninstalled themselves", and when I ran a catlog of the entire system and just kept attempting to recreate the issue, I caught windows 10 itself deleting the drivers and replacing them with the microsoft release of the drivers, **and it would do this during startup!** So I only caught it when I hooked my backup/game server hosting computer to monitor the activity in this one from boot-time... Worse yet, windows defender was putting my screen capture software into "quarantine" there for a long while until I disabled defender and switched to another anti-v. It appears that microsoft caught my rant about it on twitter earlier this year, and hopefully they're still actually on it enough to make sure this isn't something in the OS that's tampering with the card and drivers again.
@TOTALpopedom2 жыл бұрын
That's a known Microshaft thing. You have to go into the optionals in winblows update and turn the option to update the driver for the card off.
@itsTyrion2 жыл бұрын
I'd claim that's a WINDOWS thing, not just AMD. I once(twice actually but that sounds weird) had the issue where there was a random "hardware disconnect" sound and the monitor would turn black, nothing helped. Threw in my old GPU as well and found the primary one SET TO DISABLED IN DEVICE MANAGER. Why?! How?! I feel like a number of issues on/with Windows could be avoided if it didn't touch things for no reason
@danielsemaj2 жыл бұрын
this happened to my 6900xt red devil. i did a windows update and i say it downloading VGA drivers. it restarted and all my AMD stuff was not working and said i had the wrong version, i had to DDU and reinstall
@NotTheHeroStudios2 жыл бұрын
Oh you too? I almost went back to Linux after that one
@Bstrong50012 жыл бұрын
Gotta get in that registry editor and start putting some 1's and0's in certain places, I wanna know when some company is going to make an OS that doesn't pull the Microsoft crap, I guess a good Linux Distro is our only real hope .. it's getting there maybe by the time my grandkids are on RDNA 22.5 we won't have Microsoft doing that crap
@zacklothamer95332 жыл бұрын
I definitely get a hold of the manufacturer let him know what happened and just see if an RMA is an option it would at least be good info for anybody else running that card
@BuckieJr2 жыл бұрын
Power colors rma service is terrible. They wouldn’t except mine when I tried because they kept saying thermals were within spec despite the 110+ degrees the card was running at stock. Trying to fix it myself only slightly improved the thermals but still made the card a terrible choice when it benched lower then a 6800xt thanks to the throttling.
@JustAGuy852 жыл бұрын
@@BuckieJr I believe ya. PowerColor has been trash as long as I can remember. They've always been the cheapest cards and... suddenly they start throwing out these "SUPER DEVIL SATAN FIRE POWER" cards. I'm just like "what?" You've always been the bottom of the barrel brand. You've always had cards that overheat. You've always had cards that die. What are you doing, PowerColor? Edit: Had to add that even the name is stupid. Power.. color? What kind of Taiwanese mistranslation that never got fixed is this?
@BuckieJr2 жыл бұрын
@@JustAGuy85 my red Devil 5700xt was a champ when I had it, was the whole reason I grabbed the 6900xt version. :(
@bedrat22232 жыл бұрын
I would love to see what an RMA would look on this card. Would they send you a new one or just replace the BIOS chip? Have you thought about replacing the BIOS chip yourself could but an interesting experiment now that the card is not trustworthy.
@TensaZangetsu12002 жыл бұрын
They'll most likely replace it outright and fix the bad one to sell later.
@xbhollandx2 жыл бұрын
Hard to RMA something you didn’t buy
@Fossillarson2 жыл бұрын
@@xbhollandx alot review card DOA or die soon after power up lol
@N3KO_792 жыл бұрын
They don't waste time to replace chips or whatever, they have some cards for rma and replace it with a new for sure
@robertmccracken69302 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to actually see Power Color's RMA process, like if they'll actually stand behind their products, or try to pass the buck.
@AaronAverett2 жыл бұрын
Bad ICs happen. This seems like a situation where you could just RMA the card, but failing that, it's totally possible to replace a BIOS ROM IC. You order a new one from Digi-Key, Mouser, etc. and then replace the dead one (gotta figure out which one is which) with hot air and a preheater (and flux, solder, et cetera, obviously). I'm pretty confident I could do this, if I had the card in my hands.
@dreamxxx333mmm22 жыл бұрын
whats ic
@AaronAverett2 жыл бұрын
@@dreamxxx333mmm2 IC = integrated circuit, or a "chip" in common parlance.
@mtx332 жыл бұрын
For you or me maybe it's an obvious choice, but not everybody watching Louis Rossmann's videos every day. Even Jay has a scary video from 2020 when he attempted to solder back a resistor to a Titan. Now imagine how would that technique work with a teeny-tiny SOIC-8 bios chip. :D
@mhoop12 жыл бұрын
"Adamant IT" on youtube has several videos showing where you can replace a bios chip if you have the gear (micro soldering, chip flashing device, etc), that would make a fun 'watch jay learn how to do this' video
@psedog2 жыл бұрын
Flash the quiet bios on the performance bios. You could have some stuck bits that aren’t taking. If it works then flash the performance bios back. Note: This is a problem I run into a lot with PLC’s.
@Frizzy90002 жыл бұрын
I would LOVE an explanation here as to why. I find this topic very interesting. Do you think it is because NAND flash chips don't have there own "Firmware" to manage the 1's and 0's over time like say an SSD does? In my head that could cause "Bit Rot" or storage degradation as it were. As once the NAND gates start to fail in an SSD it tries to move those out. Why do you think that happens to these chips? Legit curious
@EURIPODES2 жыл бұрын
I had to do this on a motherboard
@RossHouck2 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't a VBIOS flasher do a checksum against the provided ROM and the copied ROM? A stuck bit would give a different result.
@pesho99712 жыл бұрын
@@Frizzy9000 SPI flash chips dont have firmware nor do they need one or have the capabilities to use one because they have no cpu on board.If you get a 128 MBit flash chip you get 128 megabits nothing more nothing less, there is no reserve and you dont need it because you write to it only once.Sometimes flash chips go bad on their own.
@alexatkin2 жыл бұрын
@@Frizzy9000 The gates tend to fail on an SSD through constantly being re-written though, not a problems on EPROM as generally its written once and never touched again. In theory that should last for at least 10 years, often lasts longer but of course once in a while will fail randomly. I had an ADSL router years ago that suddenly wiped its firmware, not sure if the recovery was in the ROM or I got lucky and only the OS partition failed, but it did let me re-flash it and came back to life. In fact its not entirely uncommon on consumer routers as there will be a "little" writing going on to store settings you can change. EPROM AFAIK is designed for retention over writes, so you can write it a lot fewer times than an SSD but the data stored on it should usually remain stable for a lot longer.
@borgonianevolution2 жыл бұрын
Id run the RMA just for giggles n haha's. See what they do about it incase this happens / happened to other people out there. Be nice to have peace of mind knowing what the issue is as well as knowing if there is recourse for repair / replace.
@markthestark12 жыл бұрын
Even if they bought it on release day its been 1 year, 4 months and 26 days and Red Devil's warranty is 2 years, so its still good, RMA is pretty solid option here.
@tomb37822 жыл бұрын
Oh man! He could do a collab with steve on that!
@JTB5592 жыл бұрын
Would be cool if they actually told him what was wrong if he chooses to send it in so we have closure. I can't live like this not knowing.
@Alucard-gt1zf2 жыл бұрын
@@markthestark1 last I checked since they repasted the card it's voided the Warrenty
@tomb37822 жыл бұрын
@@Alucard-gt1zf even if you do, sometimes they're nice and still take them. Most of them know the paste they use is trash and needs to be replaced.
@stuartlunsford75562 жыл бұрын
If the utility doesn't work, use a ch341a programmer. Brought back my bricked 5700xt, sooooooo good.
@Makerr82 жыл бұрын
It would be really cool to see you play around with 3D printing a new shroud for the cooler on that card. Or possibly just see what ridiculous mods you can do to it that you wouldn't normally do to a GPU for fear of breaking it.
@b0ne912 жыл бұрын
Even if stuck on a single BIOS, you can use a flash programmer like an EZP 2019 to flash it onto the hardware chip. If it's not the BIOS chip, it's probably a component that initializes the chip, like power-on signal.
@joshhayes34332 жыл бұрын
I have the Sapphire Nitro + SE and it's been powerful, quiet and efficient - the sales guy at MC recommended the Sapphire card over the PowerColor cards because of quality and reliability, I'm glad I took his advice.
@ekrotte87142 жыл бұрын
Sapphire apparently stepped up their game. Their R390X tended to burn itself to death close to warranty end.
@DilavarHuseynzade2 жыл бұрын
Saphire is making only AMD cards and I believe they learned how to do it properly. I had same card from Saphire and XFX, both RX580 8gb and saphire had better framerates and 3-4 C cooler temperatures in same build. From that expreience I am always going to go with Saphire.
@vibragou5002 жыл бұрын
I still have a 5700XT Sapphire Nitro + and it's really good and had no problems with it ! Upgrading to a 6800XT by end of year :)
@burekking19602 жыл бұрын
Tech? I am not sure.. I wish I could get a sapphire nitro rx6700xt but alas it’s still inflated pricing, I could buy a 3070 it for what it’s charged meanwhile the qick 6700xt is double digits off msrp.
@GuyPipili2 жыл бұрын
Oh no! Phil killed his system while editing! Even computer systems could handle Phil's editing skills and demands.
@matthewhaywood1332 жыл бұрын
Hey Jay, I own and running the red devil ultimate 6900xt that has literally done the same exact thing. I continued running the card in silent bios and has been about 6 months or so and the card seems to operate just fine from what I can tell.
@yourgoldenretriever2 жыл бұрын
You should encourage him to try the performance bios copied onto the silent bio side, there could be something else in the card that's only accessed by the performance bios that could be the faulty culprit. He should also see if either of the fans are drawing too much current if the windings in the motor short out they could cause the card to not function when they are attempted to ramp up high
@dustineverhart40282 жыл бұрын
@♜ Pìnned by JayzTwoCents I hope this wasn't really you?
@bradhaines31422 жыл бұрын
@@dustineverhart4028 he even put out a video saying none of those are ever him. thats a bot or scammer. unless its JUST that persons name, with a check by it (usually) ITS NOT THEM. this is the internet bro everyone is trying to troll you or rob you. trust nothing
@--_DJ_--2 жыл бұрын
@@dustineverhart4028 That is scam, they are all over the place. Report and ignore.
@kurgan20012 жыл бұрын
@@dustineverhart4028 it's a spam account.. report it
@kencortright67992 жыл бұрын
Since you flashed the OC BIOS to the Silent switch, I'd be interested to see what would happen if you flashed the Silent BIOS to the OC switch...and then if that worked, possibly flashing them back to the correct switches.
@noahzinc2 жыл бұрын
I was going to suggest flashing the Silent BIOS to the faulty one and see if it makes a difference.
@wayland71502 жыл бұрын
Don't overwrite the good BIOS switch setting! I think you should flash the working BIOS image over the broken BIOS ROM and see if that works. I suspect the card itself has a problem and can only operate with one of the BIOS images and not the other one.
@petecarvo92842 жыл бұрын
Damnit, Jay. As of October 1, 2019, Toshiba Memory is now KIOXIA. Unfortunately, our lineup of consumer flash and storage products are no longer available in the United States, but we will continue to offer support for Toshiba Memory and OCZ SSDs. Here you can research warranty information and get support for your legacy products. We thank you for being a loyal customer all these years. You can still look forward to seeing KIOXIA SSDs in laptops, PCs and data centers everywhere as we continue to uplift the world with “memory.”
@moparman2nd2 жыл бұрын
I just finished my first full custom build on Sunday and went to Micro Center to do it. Wouldn't've even gone there if it wasn't for some of your videos!
@fragalot2 жыл бұрын
Flipping the BIOS toggle switch so you can flash the bad BIOS reminds me of when I had a powerfailure updating the flash on an old motherboard. I had another motherboard of the same kind (same CPU socket for an Althlon XP) but back then the BIOS chips were in tiny sockets. So i was able to boot to the other motherboard into DOS, pop out the BIOS chip while the PC was still running, put the corrupted BIOS chip into that motherboard and run a flash utility with a bunch of switches to ignore the fact the bios image wasn't meant for this motherboard. Bing bang boom, I recovered the bios for my old mobo, and both mobos still worked.
@michaelmiller30122 жыл бұрын
When I was a shop tech in the late '90s, early '00s, I did this exact same thing to recover a mainboard from a bad flash. Worked a treat, saved us an RMA.
@incandescentwithrage2 жыл бұрын
I had an PCI SATA controller card with boot ROM (square PLCC type). I noticed you could pass pretty much any image to the firmware update utility. It being like £15 worth of card, I removed the chip, soldered a socket on and put the chip back in. Still worked... Used the update utility for that card to restore BIOS chips for years.
@fragalot2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelmiller3012 Yep! It blew my mind when i was reading about what I could do to recover my bios. Can't do this anymore unless you de-solder the chip, or use a clamp and connect an eporm burner to it.
@TheMikeyb862 жыл бұрын
I never even consider single bios anymore. I'm not a serious overclocker, but I occasionally update bios for my motherboard. Dual bios has saved me at least 3 times in the last 5 years on my motherboard and once on my Sapphire Pulse 5700 XT.
@mtx332 жыл бұрын
Honestly it's a scary number. But how exactly gone wrong that many update? did you tweaked the bios files or how?
@TheMikeyb862 жыл бұрын
@@mtx33 the first 2 times it just stopped updating. Let it sit for a full 24 hours and it didn't move. The 3rd time a power outage. The Sapphire Pulse, it stopped entirely, but I was less patient and only waited 30 mins before I bricked it on purpose, flipped to the other bios and forced the new bios through dos commands.
@counterassy2 жыл бұрын
I had the uninstalled driver issue as well. For me it was right after a Windows 11 update and I thankfully haven’t noticed any issues after that. 6900 XTs are wierd.
@UnhingedSystems2 жыл бұрын
I've had a few issues with their OC BIOS/Dual BIOS. Two different units sent for RMA where it would crash mid-game. The replacements were good so far.
@linusevosonic2 жыл бұрын
Same problems here, i sent it back tomorrow.
@UnhingedSystems2 жыл бұрын
@@linusevosonic I think the OC BIOS is perhaps too overly aggressive for some of the chips variences. They didn't seem to have repaired anything on the replacements so it looks like maybe just a vBIOS change.
@linusevosonic2 жыл бұрын
@@UnhingedSystems I hope the store exchange it for a sapphire or Asus 6900XT. Don’t want a maybe unreliable card which i payed 1300€ for. Never had such problems with any Graphics Card i ever owned.
@linusevosonic2 жыл бұрын
@@UnhingedSystems They didnt’t exchange the card and now it even doesn’t switch on the minidisplayports.
@goodatbeingbad47972 жыл бұрын
Probably replacing the faulty BIOS-Chip might be an idea.
@FM4AMGV2 жыл бұрын
@@japaneserequired6314 depending on lead time and needs, sometimes it might be worth trying to fix things. but if you have no idea what you're doing, at the least find a repair guy that does.
@jondonnelly32 жыл бұрын
RMA and let manufacturer fix, might take some time but Jay has a shelf of spare graphics cards.
@Fermi_Consistency2 жыл бұрын
@@japaneserequired6314 lol it really is a DIY thing though
@jeepws19992 жыл бұрын
Love the videos, Jay and Phil. Thanks for being around and keeping the videos going!
@MafiaboysWorld2 жыл бұрын
With Phil's editing wizardry, I'm surprised the 6900XT lasted this long. 🤷
@tomb37822 жыл бұрын
Phil's editing is more like the weirding way. Chops up a video by had, then splices in the spice.
@ttinlv2 жыл бұрын
Is there still a POST failure if the "Silent" version of the BIOS is loaded onto the "Failed" EPROM instead of the OC version? If it does then possibly something wrong when the OC code increases the clock.
@wayland71502 жыл бұрын
Good idea. He should not overwrite the good ROM in case it's the image that's the problem not the ROM.
@lexwaldez2 жыл бұрын
@@wayland7150 smart! - i'd try that first
@matthewhaywood1332 жыл бұрын
Idk if I want to start messing with reloading files in case it is something else that is the issue because it works fine now
@brendonv1012 жыл бұрын
I have always been an Intel fan boy. Built a gaming PC for my partner and did a full amd system to give it a go. Have had nothing but problems with it. Weird driver issues, stability is all over the show. The problems I've had to fault find and fix on her PC is like nothing I've ever had to do on Intel. Amd have good hardware but seem to lack in software.
@Paul_Sleeping2 жыл бұрын
Having had an expensive GPU die before has made me keep the video card I'm replacing instead of selling it ever since. After buying the 3080 last year, I kept the gtx 1080 even knowing I could have recouped possibly half of the cost of the 3080 by selling it. These cards run so hot that I don't trust their longevity.
@ffwast2 жыл бұрын
Time for me to shill for EVGA like Jay! But seriously, extended warranty, giant cooler. For what they cost the past two years I wasn't going to buy one without both of those.
@ffwast2 жыл бұрын
(what model do you have that runs hot and have you considered undervolting?)
@TheDaveJoosten2 жыл бұрын
My Asus Strix LC 6900 xt runs a cool 50-60c in games all maxed out 4k @ 100hz…gotta love liquid cooling. I dropped Red Devil because they run too hot and i had issues like this before as well. I put my trust on Asus Strix this time and so far so good, and with 5 year warranty i got less of a worry
@FunFactsAboutTech2 жыл бұрын
I have the same 6900XT (ultimate edition). Max 65C under 100% load on stock fan curve. They aren't hot. This is bad luck
@JustAGuy852 жыл бұрын
@@TheDaveJoosten Straight up... STRIX is the best. The go overkill on everything. Usually custom PCB's with custom memory layouts and overkill VRMs that can support WAY more power than the card can possibly draw through the 8-pin(s) and pci-e slot. It's the only brand I buy. Never had one.. single.. issue.. I had 6x RX480 8GB (STRIX) mining ETH for years until I sold them near the end of last year. Those VRMs could support around 300 watts. The card can only pull 225 watts max through the pci-e power connector and slot.
@Dragonheng2 жыл бұрын
Modern GPUs, CPUs, motherboards and other parts in PC have become so fragile.
@Ravenbones2 жыл бұрын
My Corsair VIII Dark hero came faulty in the mail twice.
@christopherkidwell98172 жыл бұрын
Not really... what is happening is that they are using low-lead or no-lead solder for the boards now and that stuff is worthless to be mild on the subject. They keep on saying "We have fixed the issues with the no lead solder!" but the people I know in the industry say "No, they haven't... they are being bullied by the government to say they have in order to not have to repeal the laws mandating that poor quality solder."
@Dragonheng2 жыл бұрын
The thing is during a CPU sometimes more than 8 years in service, so all elements should also hold up. My last cpu before the update to a Ryzen worked for 10 years. And then comes today's GPU or mainboard generation that doesn't even last through an update or higher load for a short or long time. Of course 10 years ago the control software wasn't that complex or the structure of the components. However, I expect that a graphics card can operate for at least 5 years without major maintenance work, the mainboard at least as long as there is no update path or the CPU is completely lagging.
@xXDarthBagginsXx2 жыл бұрын
Radeon drivers randomly uninstalled themselves previous to the last update on my son's rig with a(n) RX580 8GB - DDU'd and installed the newer driver set and it's been fine. Also Dual/Multi bios is a life saver and I look for it when buying hardware for myself.
@stfanani2 жыл бұрын
Had this happen recently with my asus TUF 3080ti. I updated the driver to most recent one and did a custom install as per geforce app. After the system reset, it would not POST with mobo showing VGA error led. Such a lucky you posted this video a day after I experienced this problem. I'll try flicking the switch to the other bios on the card. Not sure if I should attempt to reflash the faulty bios...
@CybrSlydr2 жыл бұрын
"F*ck it, we'll do it live!" That is an EPIC reference. LMFAO!!!
@alpha007org2 жыл бұрын
There has to be something strange in the universe, because the same thing happened to me and my friend in the same week (two weeks ago). Either was Win Update or Win Update + Graphics Driver messing something up. The driver uninstalled itself and I did DDU and installed it again and I haven't got an issue again. Windows usually install "something" for the GPU. This time there was nothing.
@_winston_smith_2 жыл бұрын
Same. And I'm running an ancient video card. Windows update screwed up GPU big time about 2 weeks ago. Had to reinstall driver and tweak MB bios to make system stable again.
@tayooo10002 жыл бұрын
i had the same thing happen at the same time as you humm
@gotdangedcommiesitellyahwa62982 жыл бұрын
Windows updates are the devil. I have auto update turned off, can unplug my ethernet cord at night and it will still find a way to connect the Wifi(all settings disabled) and download the update while I'm sleeping.
@bradhaines31422 жыл бұрын
@@gotdangedcommiesitellyahwa6298 set your wifi as a metered connection, it wont try to sneak as much by
@gotdangedcommiesitellyahwa62982 жыл бұрын
@@bradhaines3142 Thanks! I'll try that. Would just take the card out, but then I'd lose bluetooth.
@zora_tech2 жыл бұрын
My initial thought after hearing the bios chip might be the problem I would say to try and RMA it. If they dont want to then I would see if its possible to get the chip replaced and send it in to a reputable electronics repair shop like Luis Rossmans but that they specialize in GPU repair.
@deminybs2 жыл бұрын
even if it's a single bios card you can still remove the bios chip and put it into one of them little readers/programming adapters , just need to exercise soldering skills 😂
@SDogo2 жыл бұрын
It should work. But vgas normally use bga format chips, so without an adapter I doubt that he will be reprograming the chip again.
@creatip1232 жыл бұрын
The glow accent was beautiful. It's like glowing hot pipes.... Also if it's a physical chip problem, maybe try resoldering/cook it?
@FFE-js2zp2 жыл бұрын
Another strong possibility is the original BIOS is corrupt and the new image is also incorrect.
@crisnmaryfam73442 жыл бұрын
11:59 That is actually a serviceable part. Check out AdamantIT here on youtube. ITs a bit more involved and requires soldering and reprogramming or completely replacement of said chip, but it CAN be done.
@klansimpson2 жыл бұрын
would rather warranty return personally than kill your warranty rights. I would hope Jay has it sent back too
@catriona_drummond2 жыл бұрын
@@klansimpson Well if there is still warranty - absolutely. but if not? Reflashing or replacing the BIOS chip by a competent repair shop is not that much of a complex operation. Adamant IT does have indeed some very instructive and interesting videos on how to do it. Any well equipped and competent hardware repair shop can do this. The point is, that this car is far from being bricked, it's actually a rather minor fault.
@klansimpson2 жыл бұрын
@@catriona_drummond all true. I would hope a 6900XT still has warranty though as its like what sub 2 years old. I would rather run on the silent profile with an overclock, than screw with it honestly as it doesn't stop the card functioning
@denissh94782 жыл бұрын
thank god they made multiple bios switches, now I understand. I was always thinking that that switch just adjusts fan curve and that's it
@crisnmaryfam73442 жыл бұрын
@@denissh9478 depends on the specific card, some of those are just that.
@jackansi2 жыл бұрын
When flashing it usually verifies what was flashed is what should be there based on the file (block checksum). This isn't an eeprom issue, the overclock killed the card. Same as some chips reach X Ghz, others don't, you just now have one that doesn't anymore. Only ways to prove this wrong would be to overclock the card on the regular bios or flash the non-OC BIOS on to the OC slot. I will guarantee it won't make the same clock speed it did and be stable anymore.
@Electrify9282 жыл бұрын
My Xfx speedster 6900xt Zero edition has been doing great. Knock on wood.
@kramnull89622 жыл бұрын
I had my MSI 6800xt Gaming Trio X hooked to my 50" Sony X90J and woke it up one day 2 months ago and had all kinds of artifacting. I immediately took the 6800xt out and installed my 5700xt. Upon installing the 5700xt, I had the same problem. Changed the HDMI header on the x90j from port 1 to port 2 and it cured the artifacts. I still have a fear that the 6800xt might have fried the HDMI port of the TV. Luckily I have 4 ports on this TV. I'm also using an 8K HDMI cable, so I didn't cheap out so much on that part either.
@pfgmako3302 жыл бұрын
Dude, check this out: Yeah the first bios may be fragged, but why? Is it the bios chip it’s self or is it possibly shorting to ground somewhere? Check the caps or other components connected to that chip. If there is a blown cap or even another chip not pushing current like it’s supposed to, it would cause the chip to fail. If there is no such short or faulty components, then it’s definitely the chip it’s self. Either way, you need to disassemble the card and dust off your multimeter and soldering iron.
@ryomario902 жыл бұрын
Be careful when downloading BIOS for your card, even if it's for the same exact card you have, because there are differences in memory chips ( Samsung, Micron, Hynix etc. ) and they use different memory timings that CAN cause problems if for example you have a Micron VRAM GPU but you flash a Hynix VRAM BIOS on it.
@-eMpTy-2 жыл бұрын
Modern vBIOSes support all currently available VRAM vendors. It's not like there's a vBIOS for each one.
@ryomario902 жыл бұрын
@@-eMpTy- My GPU has 3 different VRAM BIOS all 3 of them with different VRAM timings, but then again not sure if the RX 580 can be called a modern GPU
@jannegrey5932 жыл бұрын
@@ryomario90 Yeah - this depends on whether the card was made cheap or not. Because those that have multiple versions of BIOS for different memories, usually have small EPROM. So they cannot fit ALL the data. They often can barely fit the data they need for their own configuration and substantial amount of time is spent to make sure that BIOS is small enough to fit on it. Happened a lot to AMD - given that they were seen as "cheap option". Especially during this period of Bulldozer/Zen/Zen+. Many of X370 mobos have the same problem. Manufacturers cheaped out on chip and quality, because who would buy from AMD? Lots of people as we found out and newer generations of the boards were better. Same happened to Polaris - depending on vendor you might have a version that was 50 cents cheaper to make, by having small EPROM.
@SuperQBoi2 жыл бұрын
@@ryomario90 That's the same exact card I soft bricked on my brother trying to update his bios profile. Downloaded the correct manufacturer model but it bricked, had to do like Jay and switch to the other bios on the card. Never knew why it failed, even tried a second time and same result
@hmmmyes69342 жыл бұрын
I'm getting concerned at the death rate of all the latest GPU's.
@Jeroensgambling2 жыл бұрын
Mind you it is a high-end GPU with proberly quite some power flowing through it. Lots of things can happen. They just get more complex over the years.
@thunderbolt100312 жыл бұрын
@@Jeroensgambling Well yeah, but if they're pushing out advanced tech that can't take the beating, then it's essentially not mature enough to distribute to the general public. It's pretty absurd that 30 series and 6000 series cards aren't all that common yet there's quite an alarming amount of failures being reported that never happened on the previous generation. To be completely honest, I had a suspicion that failures were going to be pretty common when I heard that 90 skew cards were going to be a thing.
@kire9292 жыл бұрын
@@thunderbolt10031 what does 90 skew mean?
@thunderbolt100312 жыл бұрын
@@kire929 The 90 skew, so RTX 3090 or RX 6900.
@morgan406542 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see how long this lasts with a re-flashed silent bios, in theory the card is still good besides that one chip, so how long would it last, after drivers and the bios flash would it still run same speed, same performance, for just as long, did you actually add a second life by flipping the switch or is it only a half life?
@funkysmokee87642 жыл бұрын
it is literally the same, since he flashed a normal bios on the silent bios eeprom. so it runs like it ran on the original eeprom that died.
@morgan406542 жыл бұрын
@@funkysmokee8764 Yeah, that's what I assume will happen, so I don't see a reason to waste the GPU or change it out, just keep using it, I want to see how it lasts or if something else is broken.
@SebastiansFacts2 жыл бұрын
Replace the chip. I guess it's time for you guys to learn some soldering. On the bright side, that means you get to buy (and play with) a bunch of new toys.. I mean tools.
@jonathans1752 жыл бұрын
The chip is a GD25Q80CTIGR, available at Digikey for around 50 cents. It's a fairly large 8-SOP package which is relatively easy to solder with a proper hot air station and some flux (I'd recommend Chipquik NC191). Maybe give it a shot? Don't use a hot air gun, though. That'll just kill the board. You need focused heat from a hot air soldering station - and it'd also be good to protect the surrounding area with kapton or aluminium tape. One thing that's a little suspicious to me though is that this particular chip is discontinued... Possibly due to reliability issues?
@MrBagelRaider2 жыл бұрын
My 6900XT has given me nothing but problems for the past 8ish months. I'm on my 4th RMA now.
@THEpicND2 жыл бұрын
Yikes sorry to hear that
@promc28902 жыл бұрын
Sounds like 6900XTs are the faulty ones,my 6800XT never gave me any problems and i never heard them causing problems either,its always the 6900XT
@Eu.FelipeSaldanha2 жыл бұрын
Some friends had problem with ther 6900 XT... I own a 6700 XT, never had any issues
@solocamo36542 жыл бұрын
Bullshit dude.
@77arceus2 жыл бұрын
Which model? I haven’t even had a sniff from mine (that wasn’t entirely my fault that is lol)
@TheSolidSnakeOil2 жыл бұрын
Send the card to Buildzoid so he can replace the eprom (if he can) so he'll have a crazy card to mod until it explodes because he thought it would be cool to run 800 watts through it on liquid nitrogen.
@chalion83992 жыл бұрын
Either the chip is dying, or the trace(s) going from the chip to the output cracked. Since you were having fps problems and had to juggle the settings to get it to stabilize, but it lost that info on game shutdown or system shutdown, probably is the chip. I used to see problems with my output when the system heated up (traces expanded and the crack shorted out), but in this instance, it doesn't seem to be the problem.
@joerobo1002 жыл бұрын
This problem plus the issue with your 12900k system makes me think your studio equipment could be adding noise to your power circuits, maybe try the computers on a UPS and give your studio lights, amplifiers etc a dedicated ground.
@tudomerda2 жыл бұрын
Trouble shoot the problem until you find the fault, the suspense is great and nice to know what the REAL problem is.
@karenrhodes50792 жыл бұрын
I'd like to think that with a card that pricey, and in todays market, they'd still RMA it for you. We've got stock now, but they can't afford to throw away GPU's for one faulty chip. Would be nice to see the RMA route, to see what'd happen and what they have to say about this issue. As others have said. This could be informative, for people that are facing similar issues. Either way, love the content. I've always looked to you, Steve and Linus for info on the best upgrade path for my personal rig, and you always deliver. Safe to say, if you three don't have positive things to say about something, my wallet stays where it is! Keep it coming, you do great work.
@FM4AMGV2 жыл бұрын
I'm going to play devils advocate here: What if it's the bios switching circuit that is bad and if it only had one bios, then you wouldn't of had this problem. Also i'm curious of if a new eprom chip could be put in the card, components like that are typically pretty cheap.
@Mysteoa2 жыл бұрын
It's just simple rerouting on which chip to read, it's not anything fancy.
@phyro41432 жыл бұрын
@@Mysteoa The bios switching circuitry fails a lot actually, bios basically never corrupt by itself unless you messed with it.
@FM4AMGV2 жыл бұрын
@@Mysteoa yes, but if for some reason the switch isn't properly making connection, you could have problems with bios?
@klansimpson2 жыл бұрын
it allowed him to switch to silent, boot, switch back to the OC, flash and reboot, then sat there drooling. There is a possibility a new bios chip could be a solution but it could have popped a trace somewhere from said chip. Either way RMA would be what I would do with this personally
@legitscoper32592 жыл бұрын
It could have been caused by a BitFlip caused by ionising radiation hitting the memory cell. Ionising radiation is omnipresent, and if one ray hits exactly a memory cell, Its value gets changed. EDIT: ok it still not working after flashing it, eradicates the possibility of physical software error. ... yes you've Red this correctly, Physical Software. Because Software is getting stored in physical values of 1 and 0
@duskyechelon2 жыл бұрын
Then programming BIOS would fix it, but it didn't.
@legitscoper32592 жыл бұрын
@@duskyechelon did you read the edit ?
@agoogleuser78992 жыл бұрын
Whenever the program says "update" it will check for a newer version, but to put the same bios on you need to find a "restore" option, or command line "write" option. Use the software that came with the vcard. There is warranty that covers the repair then use it. Knowing what happened is important so that when it is repaired and installed the PSU doesn't do the same thing again because you fixed the PSU.
@Solarnova2 жыл бұрын
I had no idea you could flip the BIOS switch while the system is running, makes sense for flashing, and very cool.
@ScottGrammer2 жыл бұрын
Has Phil run a malware scan? The missing driver makes me ask. Also, maybe check his boot drive for errors?
@olandersnake2 жыл бұрын
I've seen this happen on a friends. It was shutting down Adrenaline software every time he started Battlefield 2042. It made the driver not update properly saying that the Windows version was a newer one when it wasn't. Did a fresh install of Windows 10 and drivers. Everything worked until Battlefield 2042 started and it would all go nuts again.
@ernielp5422 жыл бұрын
I finally got an RTX 3080 on Saturday and after less than 24 hours it already blackscreened twice and crashed my system in the end. I don't know exactly what happend, but it's just dead, so I send it back today. Has nothing really to do with this video apart from a failed GPU, but interesting timing still
@dennisperry85792 жыл бұрын
Depending on what you were doing at the time, could be a PSU issue... My 8 - 10 year old AX1200 (which had previously been overdrawn on a crossfire 7970 setup, pulling 500 watts per card, and made the LED light bulbs in my room flicker, lol) bricked my 3090 because it couldn't handle the voltage spikes going from idle to 1000 FPS in the Dyson Sphere Program menu, lol. Replaced the PSU and the 3090 I got from RMA has been rock solid since. EVGA Warranty FTW, lol
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@neolad2 жыл бұрын
I had this exact issue with my 6800 XT, where it eventually wouldn't boot regardless of BIOS. Had to RMA it after only 3 weeks of use. Thankfully the company i bought it from got me a new one straight away.
@kamikaze000072 жыл бұрын
RMA/return it and see what they do to fix it. Most people think returning parts result in two outcomes. You get a new part as replacement, or they repair your part and return it to you. The latter gives a more "inferior" impression as a solution due to the possiblity of human error or other factors during repair. On a different note: what mobo is that that has a display screen for boot errors?
@truthseeking38182 жыл бұрын
Been running this same rig. 5950x - 6900xt red devil ultimate edition. for about 8 months. 0 issues, fantastic performance. Both cpu and gpu ran overclocked constantly. AMD ecosystem is fantastic. Adrenalin tool is very helpful. DEFINITELY RMA this card. Would be nice to see PowerColor stand behind their flagship card.
@vaeloreonari75162 жыл бұрын
I have that exact card I got mine a year ago at Microcenter open box for $1500, no big issues so far, just Radeon resets to default settings quite alot, so I had to make a save settings file so I can easily recover my custom settings.
@dustin22642 жыл бұрын
Luv ya videos man got recommended to this channel haven’t looked back!!
@dylanp35202 жыл бұрын
Makes me nervous now. Running the Red Devil 6900xt Ultimate. Have had issues from the beginning with random monitors not working ( all 3 are DP ). Had no issues for years with my 1070ti. At one point I couldn't get any video out, hard reset and power cycle didn't help. Swapped back for 1070ti and came right up. Threw the 6900 back in and so far it is working. My first AMD card and so far it isn't instilling any confidence in me.
@warmbeef4you8332 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jay you have been a really good inspiration, and watching your vids has taught me a lot. Please keep posting and thank you.
@fy75892 жыл бұрын
You can still recover the corrupted bios even without having an Igpu or a secondary gpu, all you have to do is to swtich the bios back to the corrupted one while you're inside windows and run the vflash utility, then restart and as long as the new bios you put into the eprom is not also corrupted it'll post. At least that worked on the old amd cards back to like r9 280x 290x 380x era. Maybe even the hd 7970 did work the same but I can't remember, I used to flash the bios of amd cards so often back then. Now it's not even worth it because we have more power tool of which we can directly modify the power tables from.
@TimBoundy2 жыл бұрын
He did that in the video. It didn't fix the problem, indicating a hardware fault instead of a corrupt BIOS.
@dexs_lab2 жыл бұрын
My Power Color Red Dragon 6800 had the same exact issue, I am currently using the silent bios so I can continue to use my card.
@dropsey30072 жыл бұрын
bro this video is amazing ! Jay you are a big hitter with great informative videos,
@caudillo78782 жыл бұрын
Love it when you make these kinds of videos. always learning. thanks.
@germanmade12192 жыл бұрын
I had a similar thing happen, my 3090 and 3060 in the same pc somehow had the Graphics drivers corrupted, it refused to show video when any nvidia card was in the system. To fix this i needed video out, so I plugged in an RX 6600, used DDU to get rid of Nvidia drivers, plugged in 3060, reinstalled nvidia driver, plugged in 3090, everything worked fine afterwards.
@Gamepunt_be2 жыл бұрын
I also have a Red Devil, but the 6700xt... And it's drivers crash like every other day... No matter what BIOS I use. The card is five months old. I contacted PowerColor, they told me to contact the retailer. The retailer told me to contact Powercolor because they couldn't find an issue during their short test that cost me €145... 😮💨 I'm keeping it until I saved up for a new card, because it still kind of works... Half of the time. Funny to see I'm not the only one with this issue
@MarceloNava13092 жыл бұрын
Hello J!!! I had a similar problem, it's not the GPU’s fault, it's a problem of the BIOS reading times when starting the system. When the system is booting up, the GPU doesn't get any information from the monitor because the monitor is in its idle state, so it throws that stupid error. The way to bypass the error is to simply turn on manually the monitor settings at boot time, so the GPU detects information from the monitor and boots the system normally. I know it's a dumb way to start a system, but it's a solution for many people who are going through the same error thinking that the motherboard or its GPU has a problem. Greetings from Bolivia, I love your channel. I hope this solution can help many people and I hope it is a workable solution for Phil.
@PinkyPowers2 жыл бұрын
A failing EEPROM can cause all manner of strangeness. When boards come back from the field here at work, the weirdest failures can be resolved by replacing the E² and re-finalizing the software.
@nomercypercy21662 жыл бұрын
I can confirm the importance of dual BIOS anything if you can afford it. I shelled a little more for a dual BIOS MB and it has saved me multiple times where I bricked one of the BIOS.
@mattmeikle15282 жыл бұрын
Maybe a fan short. Silent mode doesn't heat up as much and the middle fan doesnt seem to be spinning. The short would do all those things
@TheDaveJoosten2 жыл бұрын
If you got issues with fps all over the place go into your AMD software and delete the shaders. After hearing this video you might wanna clean your drivers for the gpu again first, then reinstall factory install drivers and make sure your shaders are empty…this way no conflicts there. About the bios thing, i have had the exact same thing happen with my 5700xt red devil, if warranty, then u will just get it replaced. My bet is that the switch is broken, meaning when you swap it to silent the switch works good but not when to the other side giving a corrupt signal to the card. You could try playing around a bit where you slide it too and try to boot, for me that worked but its very unstable as my switch suddenly ended up in wrong position the next time i booted. As far as i can understand its the weakpoint on all the cards, they need to reinforce this damn switch because when shipped it might gotten damages putting it into the foam packaging. Right now i got a Asus Strix 6900 LC and omg that liquid machine is a beast and first think i tested if this switch was working properly and yeah indeed it got 2 lives that way !
@PK_Rocking2 жыл бұрын
You “three” need to go Office Space on it, no joke. I think it would make good content!
@bullettube98632 жыл бұрын
The one thing about a ROM chip is that a unregulated voltage spike can corrupt the memory and ruin it. You should be able to replace it inexpensively either though a warranty claim or even sending the card back for a replacement. But first see if you can find out why there was a spike (or not) otherwise it will happen again.
@kentsavick25162 жыл бұрын
If you figure out which chip it is, you should be able to get a replacement pretty easily. It's the soldering that would be tricky. It's probably not EEPROM either, most likely flash. EEPROM is pretty tough, FLASH not so much.
@allinfinitex2 жыл бұрын
Why do I like it when Jay sensually rubs his fingers on the parts as he's explaining things at the beginning?!
@wayland71502 жыл бұрын
Jay, they don't have multiple BIOS chips, they just connect one of ROM the address lines to the switch to select top or bottom half of the chip. The corruption if it was a single bit could have only knocked out one BIOS image.
@jondonnelly32 жыл бұрын
6600XT user and in elden ring some times the fans do not spin, that's how cool the card runs. It's all the card u need for 1080p.
@NbKXStorm2 жыл бұрын
I remember when I had a powercolor 9800 pro back like 20 years ago, and it had problems too - I don't really have faith in powercolor as a brand, and I'm surprised they're still around.
@rashkavar2 жыл бұрын
Only thing I can think of to fix it would involve some soldering work, which doesn't quite seem to be up your guys' alley. (Electronic soldering is fairly tricky even when you're working with amateur grade PCBs - the ones where you acid etch off a single layer of copper for your traces...this is....rather significantly more complex than that.)
@DjayLSD2 жыл бұрын
replacing the bios chip on a gpu is actually pretty easy, with hot air or flux and solder wick. they are 99% of the time 8 legged soic chips. windbond 50% of the time too. I actually normally unbrick card, laptop and ect by unsoldering the chip and using my T56 pro or TL866II pro programmers. Very easy and very documented procedure too. also, i don't get why you don't have at least a TL866 in your stuff yet. Life saver. especially with socketed bios motherboard. no more bricked asus motherboard cause of bad quickflash or any bricked board anymore.... like seriously, get one, 50% of your dead hardware and bios issues would have been solved if you had one... Kudos kiss and biglove.
@mbwatson1000 Жыл бұрын
I see that quite a few comments suggest it may be the bios chip itself that is faulty. I suggest there may be one or two other SMD parts that may be at fault - even the mechanical switch may have failed such that it only works in one position. A board level inspection is required to pinpoint the fault. I would definitely avoid reprogramming the working bios because there could be a fault in the programming circuitry. The history you describe suggests to me a progressive failure, so leaving it unrepaired may lead to more problems.
@RYTHMICRIOT2 жыл бұрын
My kid has been running a 5700xt for a little over a year. He has periodic GPU crashes while playing League of Legends. He has just asked me to switch his card to Nvidia. He had a RX580 before this, and it was a great card. Particularly for the money.
@tzxazrael2 жыл бұрын
(bvvrrt) "ow my finger" -immediately sticks finger back in almost the same spot... xD
@PaulLemars012 жыл бұрын
It's content, reach out to Rossman or someone on the West coast to do a surface mount repair. Desolder the bios chip and replace it. Evewen if you screw it up it's still content.
@sickturtle132 жыл бұрын
I just recently purchased this card days before you posted this video :( Now I just want to return it. It does the same thing where I switch to other bios and fails but other bios it runs just fine.
@TheDirtyBirchTrails2 жыл бұрын
Basic Input Output System acronym is pronounced "bioss". There is no "e" at the end. I have a good laugh every time you say it Jay. lol
@pcgamerdad42512 жыл бұрын
RMA no point having a faulty graphics card with a non-working feature would be the best course of action. When I had the EVGA Geforce 690 back in the day it was starting to fail and I had the 10 year extended warranty so was perfect to RMA it and they sent me back a 980 as a replacement.
@101pcgamer2 жыл бұрын
I’m having same issue with my 3080 TI wen I switch too bios it was letting me get video but now both bios won’t let me get video now
@fenrysfenir58582 жыл бұрын
you can order the eprom separately and change it on the grafix card with a soldering iron
@GReaper2 жыл бұрын
Dual-BIOS.... I remember my old-ass Socket 754 Gigabyte motherboard made that a big selling point (I guess they pioneered it at least in the consumer market?). And it did save me hassle a few times... especially with BIOS updates.