The Traitors US Finale Recap | Season 2 Episode 11 and Reunion

[@statesnet975]

Sorry I missed y'all live, but ty for a great season.

[@survivorspecialists]

Thank you for listening all season long!

[@decarus-427]

I think the suspense of the final was who is going to win of the faithfuls. I think the fix is that they don't reveal if they are faithful or not for the last few murders.

[@patrickcallahan9206]

To be fair, probably the biggest move in the season and the turning point of the season was made by Peter (a non gamer). Everyone has a chance to win if they have the right strategic mind and understand the game.

[@kimmietooshoes]

In Traitors Canada, they did not reveal whether the last person banished was faithful or a traitor. It was a cool twist but it definitely helps the traitor not the faithful.

[@survivorspecialists]

I'd like to see the US version try this just to see how it works! I feel like there is an opportunity to use this to perfect the end game.

[@GK-ob1ni]

Kinda unfair to criticize the show for bad gameplay on a player's part. I agree with you, Will, that Kate made a dumb move by throwing green at the fire of truth but I don't see how that's the show's fault. I still think this is a great show. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. Cirie played a masterful game last season but you're not going to get a Cirie-level of gameplay every season and it's silly to expect that. You're also not going to get a dumb move like this every season either, so to condemn the entire show because of one bad move made on one season is ridiculous. Kate actually made a great move this last episode by turning CT and Sandra against each other. I didn't expect that from her and I was impressed that it worked. She wasn't the best traitor for sure, but I thought she had a strong finish except for that last move at the fire so let's cut the show some slack. Edit: You guys REALLY need to watch international versions of this show. A lot of the complaints you addressed were dealt with in other versions. Also, Will's opinion that you will always know whether it will be a faithful or traitor win going into the final fire is so very wrong and will be proven so when you watch other versions. There were several versions I watched where it absolutely could have gone either way and it literally came down to one person's vote at the very end that was the deciding factor. I even saw one where that person wrote a name down and then changed it because they second guessed themselves and it completely changed the outcome.

[@survivorspecialists]

I agree with the first part of this for sure. Kate really did everything wrong at the beginning of this episode. Are you in agreement with others that UK2 is the best season?

[@GK-ob1ni]

@@survivorspecialists There was some phenomenal gameplay in that one. It's hard to rank them all because I like different ones for different reasons. I would say it's a tight race between Australia season 1 and UK season 2 but I think I would give the edge to Australia. They're both really good, but my personal favorite is probably New Zealand.

[@bc5163]

It is not a team game. Faithful need to be willing to work with the traitors and against each other. Just getting rid of traitors non-stop would mean recruitments non-stop and toward the end faithful should be willing to cut each other, just like traitors should be willing to cut each other, to maximise their winnings. If this doesnt feel like mafia thats because it just isnt. And thats ok. If they turn this into a kumbaya game where faithfuls are a solid team that dont turn against each other then theyd ruin it and make it boring. Youre too purist to a separate game that I dont care about

[@Odedh]

Don’t remember which international versions had this but the changes they made were no murder in the final night and no reveal if you’re a faithful or traitor in the last round table(or maybe it was in the fire of truth or maybe both)

[@nikkoramirez2695]

To push back on that Woolford from the UK season one would’ve won because he was the final four at the at the fire pit. The only reason why he didn’t is because when they were the final five, he voted out the other traitor, and then that other traitor, which has been debated whether he broke the rules or not Voted for Wilford and said I’m leaving you guys with a parting gift, so Wilford was voted out and the three faithful remaining one, but they were ready to walk away them for the four people remaining with money because they all thought they were faithful if that other traitor hadn’t said, I’m leaving you with the parting gift which we don’t know if that’s breaking the rules or not, it was controversialwould’ve been the first ever to win solo without having to vote out another traitor at the fire pit

[@joemodest]

Traitors S2 UK is for me the best in terms of Traitors doing Masterclass all throughout the show

[@aurei44]

Australia is not bad either. But it has some the most gullible faithfuls, but that is also due to the traitors murdering the best players in perfect precision.

[@KidusEndale-rg2sf]

The goat is in the UK s2, masterpiece gameplay.

[@joemodest]

@@KidusEndale-rg2sf 💯

[@survivorspecialists]

This is what everyone is saying! Might need to watch it just to see what the show really can be!

[@joemodest]

@@survivorspecialists and I really think for US they should switch to all newbies only, for season 4, if s3 is done to discourage club/network alliances, and rather have it organically formed n the game

[@nikkoramirez2695]

I think Boston, Rob’s idea is stupid. The name of the game is traders whether you’re faithful or traitor at the very end people are going to screw each other over bet traders to each other, which is the name of the game to take home the money we’ve seen this and other renditions of this show from Australia to UK go watch the Australia season. You had two traders and two faithful in the final four and then it came down to the final three, which were two traders and a faithful now the two traders could easily split the money, but they decided to go after each other to get one of them to each other out so the other one could take home the final Prize, no different than when there’s three faithful left. One of them or two of them is gonna turn on one person so that way they can split it two ways instead of three that’s the name of the game Hans call traders. CT and Rochelle did a great game move and fantastic game and in the end they were the biggest traders of them all because they stabbed a faithful in the back.

[@nikkoramirez2695]

You gotta look at this two ways. Trisha and CT were always going to do what they did but it was only possible once they got rid of Sandra first I personally think Trishelle if you know her from the challenge, she tried to pull a fast one on CT because she really thought MJ would’ve voted CT and that final sequence because you can tell on her face, once MJ reveals she voted for her Trishelle will rise because she’s like fuck now we’re gonna be a deadlock. She tried to pull a quick one on CT and when it didn’t work, she went with the original plan. If you know, she does sometimes panic and get all frantic she probably really was thinking about their friendship 20 years they hadn’t really been that close. They’ve got into it a lot of times he didn’t save her he saved and then he switched to Sandra that could’ve all been waiting on her and she really did freak out and wanted to see what happened.

[@clutchhattrick8767]

Lot of weird stuff in these episodes, good and bad. I think the bitterness in the reunion was.. tough to watch, I’ll just say that. I felt really bad for Dan. Dudes just getting hammered for nothing while being as classy and respectful as he possibly could.

[@Loyal_vibes]

Classy. I’m not a big Phaedra fan but him saying he thought Phaedra would turn on him is the reason he brought up her name is bs. He was exposed so he was willing to ruined the game because he was bitter point blank period. He had no reason at all to mention her. He was paranoid for no reason and you were on the way out so you sell out your alliance member. Below the belt. You know that and he also knew that. Saying it’s just a game was bs. Dan wasn’t good at it and it showed. He was worse than Parvati

[@clutchhattrick8767]

@@Loyal_vibesyeah I completely disagree. Maybe you should stick to the bravo drama shows like Phaedra and her friends can.

[@joemodest]

Check traitors canada they did not reveal last 4 if i remember it correctly.

[@patrickcallahan9206]

I don’t like how they gave the final 5 a chance to earn everything back in the last mission in season 1 because I feel like it could discredit the challenges before it if u can just earn everything back in the end.

[@pookiesnackenburger]

Watch uk season 2 to see how it's done

[@survivorspecialists]

This is the one everyone keeps saying to watch! Will have to check it out! Maybe an offseason podcast?

[@JDoradoTube]

This show is camp and theatrical as hell. Not really a show for straight laced guys and that's no shade! I think y'all would appreciate this show more if you were more into the entertainment value vs strategic aspect, but I get it, it's not for everyone. For me personally, this season has been more riveting and engaging than any Survivor season I've watched since DvG.

[@clutchhattrick8767]

Yea I don’t get the “entertainment value” of the housewives being extremely rude and bitter the entire season. Not for me

[@JDoradoTube]

@@clutchhattrick8767 There's always the Disney channel!

[@survivorspecialists]

Maybe it's not for us! But it's not the camp that bothers us. I like when a reality show leans in. It's just that if it's built as a competition show, there are some serious issues with the competition format. But either way it's still a mostly entertaining watch!

[@aurei44]

I find traitors show very anticlimactic at the end, here I just skipped through because I knew what was going to happen, nothing surprised me. However the start is the most thrilling to watch and who the traitors are, will they be caught? That's exciting. While shows like Survivor, it's like the opposite, where that the ending is the best to watch because they invite the booted to come back to talk shit, makes it a bit like a reunion in a finale. It's bad for integrity of a game a bit but makes great tv.

[@aurei44]

I do feel there are some flaws in this game. Since there is not much incentive to take out traitors. So either tell people i.e 5 traitors is the hard cap. Or introduce some kind of bounty system if you take out traitors. Then if you see someone not interested in taking out traitors, in a normal game it's traitor behavior but here you are thinking that they are playing Traitors pet or don't care because there's no incentive. It seems kind of lame that if you're a great traitor hunter you are punished. Also some kind of penalty if you go red at the end when all the traitors are out. Also lame that there's clearly an incentive as a traitor to make them think you will blow their game up if they go after you, or you can just do it if you don't like them or for whatever reason. I.e If I'm about to get banished & my friends are faithfuls I just tell them who the other 2 traitors are.. & The only realistic solution is either some survivor style voting, or a seperate prize pot that will be split by all the traitors at the end, as long as a traitor or traitors win as consolation that you were part of it. Problem then is that it incentivizes traitors to stick together. So it's real difficult.

[@ramblingrandomthings]

CT and Trishelle made an otherwise boring finale entertaining by pulling that move I like when there's different ways to play the game

[@survivorspecialists]

Yeah their pregame relationship definitely played into why this ending was dramatic. Which is fine.

[@aurei44]

Why on earth would MJ not vote for CT? If I'm there and I think there is 1 more traitor left & there were 3 female traitors. At that point I don't care about anything and will vote for the male, because for all I know if the show started with 4 traitors, 2 males could've easily been tapped.

[@melodyvoyles8829]

2 seasons, 1 traitor win, 1 faithful win. How is that broken?

[@Loyal_vibes]

The 2 winners showcased that you can’t trust anyone. Don’t trust faithfuls was pretty much promoted in season 2 in which justified season 1 winner playing the game. Andi was mad that cirie was a traitor and showed that you can’t trust anyone even if you play a flawless game like cirie. MJ was mad that her fellow faithfuls voted her out and rightfully so. It’s a game so who was more in the wrong Cirie or CT/Trishelle

[@survivorspecialists]

It's more of how the game ended. A lone traitor at Final 6 pretty much has no chance of winning because the game rewards players for voting out as many people as possible. Plus, with them knowing there is still a traitor alive because of the murder at final 6, the players are going to keep voting until they get at least one traitor.

[@pookiesnackenburger]

You should do your homework a little...She knew she was being voted out and had accepted her fate

[@survivorspecialists]

That's not really a matter of doing homework. That's just a matter of her having no chance.

[@Loyal_vibes]

In a situation with a final 6 with a possibility of one traitor remaining. It’s a 50/50 chance a traitor can win. It really all depends on who the traitor is and how they played the game up to this point. If season 1 came to the final 6 with cirie being the final traitor she probably would’ve had a chance and the dynamic between reality stars and normal people does make a difference in the game. Season 1 was better only because the alliance agenda wasn’t pushed and it was anyone’s game.

[@GK-ob1ni]

You guys keep talking about numbers and saying it's a numbers game and if a sole traitor gets to the final 5, faithfuls will always win and there's no suspense. You are completely discounting another important aspect of the show - the social aspect. If a traitor is well liked and trusted enough, it's possible they could make it through all of those final banishments and win the game.

[@survivorspecialists]

But with how it's set up right now, they will just keep voting until they get the traitor after the final murder or there are only two left. Makes it so the traitor has to make it through two votes based solely on social game. That's a very difficult task.

[@GK-ob1ni]

@@survivorspecialists According to The Traitors Wiki, out of all of the versions of the show there have been 18 traitor wins and 11 faithful wins. So it would seem that's it's not that much of an uphill battle at all.

[@survivorspecialists]

How many of those traitors wins came when there was just one traitor left at final 6? That's more of what our point is.

[@GK-ob1ni]

@@survivorspecialists Maybe I misunderstood because I thought you said 1 traitor making it to final 5 so that's what I based my comment on. There was 1 version I watched were there was a sole traitor at 5 and they went on to win. As for the final 6, I don't believe I have seen one where there was only 1 traitor but I've only seen the English speaking versions so I don't know if that's been done or not. One interesting thing to note (and I'll use the US versions as an example because I know you've seen those so I won't be spoiling anything for you) is that the person who left at final 6 in S2 (Sheree) was murdered. However, the person who left at final 6 in S1 (Christian) was banished. This also happened in one of the other versions as well where 6th place was a murder in one season and a banishment in another season. I'm not sure why this is or if it had any impact on the number of traitors that were left but I thought it was interesting to note. In most seasons 6th place is a banishment. I don't think that the show would allow there to be only 1 traitor in the game if there is more than 1 round table left. I could see them doing that if there was only 1 round table left, like we saw in S2 with Kate - but not 2 or more. They would probably have to recruit which might explain why there are usually 2 traitors at final 6.

[@GK-ob1ni]

I also wanted to add that in that version where there was a sole traitor at 5 and they went on to win, they kept voting until there were down to 2 people left.

[@KBonilla]

Starting to think Traitors is rigged for best TV Drama It’s a celebrity reality show. These ppl don’t really need the money

[@TheMarshmallowBear]

I agree, I've suspected this based on few events from last season (the Brandi/Kate paper thing felt staged). Also the fact that a lot of the Bravo people make it far also rings few alarm bells - they're more likely to agree to stage something and be told how to vote. Also a lot of the votes don't feel sensical either.

[@aurei44]

I completely agree that it's annoying to see people suck at the game. This is also why I have not been watching reality for the last 10 years, & watching sports. Here I did not expect much from Bravos, but then seeing the big time players suck, fall for obvious traps, not murder the most dangerous people. I mean I just watched international seasons and they murdered the most dangerous players with such great precision, that only the gullible were left at the end. Here it's like they did the opposite. Like what are they doing? Even in survivor, I've watched to about season 25 or something, & surprised how many players still failed at brining the goat/s to the end and failing to outwit the jury to win.

[@normacaldera3390]

Phil you have to cut him off sometimes.

[@aurei44]

$50k deduction penalty for each faithful they kick off after they found al the traitors seems fair. Afterall there is a penalty if traitors make it to the end only, there's a season of that too, watch international seasons to find out what happens.

[@GK-ob1ni]

How is that fair? The faithfuls are never told how many traitors there are, so how can they be sure that they got them all?

[@aurei44]

A traitor needs to take someone to the end that completely trusts them, otherwise they need to do it with a co traitor.

[@TheMarshmallowBear]

And that's exactly how Cirie was able to win.

[@HTNT9]

u guys should check out Traitors UK....so much better..season 2 UK was fire compared to US

[@aurei44]

Gamers win and have dominated both seasons. The only reasons they even got voted out is because they made terrible moves, Dan even basically voted himself out. Yet I've heard that the gamers are coming with a disadvantage because of the targets on their backs..