PHILIPPINE AIRLINES BUSINESS CLASS: 13 Hours from Manila to San Francisco

[@jermsestr]

Dimming the lights when landing at night is a safety protocol in case of a crash, your pupils have adjusted to the lighting so in case of an emergency evacuation, your eyes do not have to adjust to the brightness/darkness of the environment. Conversely this is done opposite when landing the day, when the window shades are asked to be kept open

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Totally… I am more referring to it being a problem in cruise when they are asked to be kept down the whole flight with no cabin lights

[@mikeylodeon.7326]

interesting...

[@tcthedream]

@@PatrickSheaAviationmy business class cubicle had its own lights and they NEVER asked me to turn mine off.

[@ad11216]

i've been told by a former commercial pilot that if you're sitting on the window side, IT IS YOURS - i.e. no matter how charming the FA, you could say that you'd rather have the window open while in flight. however it is de rigueur to have the window open during take off and landing. the former pilot also mentioned that this close-windows thing, esp during night time, might have been due to passenger reactions. some passengers may think they 'saw' something outside the plane and become hyped. it could potentially cause concern or make the other passengers panic..

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Good points. I just never want to be the only one letting light into the cabin. That’s usually why airlines at least have the mood lighting or something to give the cabin some lighting

[@james007bray]

Nice video Patrick, I just returned with my family Wednesday night on basically same flight and time. Once you experience traffic in Manila, you won't complain about traffic in the US. Food and service were exceptional on our flight, for us the extra cost for business class is well worth it especially having 2 young kids.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Awesome! Totally agree!

[@lutomson3496]

I disagree organized chaos is one thing, and it seems to work better then the crap here in the US which has so much garbage and worse...

[@edgardolemque7222]

Thank you so much Patrick for pointing out positives and negatives on this vlog. I hope PAL and NAIA T1 management view your vlog and make the necessary adjustments for the better because much is to be desired. Hopefully, by 2028 or 2029 the New Manila International Airport in Bulakan, Bulacan will be ready for use. PAL will have a run for its money on head-on competition from United. Competition is healthy and gives potential passengers options to choose what airline to fly, price wise, service, comfort, and convenience of flight schedule. Great vlog and keep up with your excellent work.

[@bonindaisylim5723]

It looks like the aircraft that you rode on is an older model. The aircraft that we rode on last December from Honolulu to Manila (RT) is the Airbus A330-300. The Business Class seating configuration was 1-2-1. And our seats were pretty big. A pod like style. Very nice! My family and I are traveling to the Philippines again this December 2023, and all nine of us are all seated in Business Class. Excited for our flight!

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Philippine Airlines does have their new business class on the A330 and A350 but unfortunately those aircraft don’t have the capacity required for San Francisco. The newly arriving A350-1000 should help with that

[@reynufable625]

The A350 is only from Honolulu. LAX flights also use the 777

[@porksisig1860]

PAL business class used to be my go to flight to MNL because it was the only direct flight from SFO, I hate layovers. It wasnt bad service. But now there is United Airlines direct to MNL, im giving that a go with the Polaris class and better seat layout/design.

[@patriciaandrada4]

Good luck on paying double the price on United. I just talked with my friend who decided not to buy a USD$8000 that United was charging for a Mnl/SFO/Mnl ticket on business class

[@porksisig1860]

@patriciaandrada4 that's not my experience. My United App was showing 5-6k RT. Timing the booking will definitely influence the price. But my point is, if one's a UnitedPlus Mileage member with Premier status, ( I have been forever) and United's credit card, no-brainer there to Fly United then. It's such a better points program than PAL's Mabuhay miles in my case..I can even book Polaris for $5.60 using just my points. 👍 or bookk premium economy and upgrade with points. like anything else, you gotta see what works best for you.

[@patriciaandrada4]

@@porksisig1860 I would rather pay USD$1500-2000 less on PAL, for as long as I can sleep and have a good meal I am happy with it. I am not a picky person and would rather use our own airline than give the business to a USA airline. That’s just my opinion. I also get better service on PAL from my experience as a premier elite member. I had a premier status on United and got this from flying domestic flights from California to New York and Chicago twice to three times a year for business, but I decided to stop flying this airline due to terrible service.

[@EpicThe112]

Really good point remember one can actually book IAD/ORD/EWR to MNL on UA Polaris service. Sadly you lose the lounge access under domestic leg which is why UA fliers get Air Canada or Avianca star alliance mileage to get the lounge access on UA domestic.

[@PeterSantos-i5s]

​@@EpicThe112😊😮😢

[@getatme8595]

I find it amazing that everytime you land on an airport you see/meet people that you will probably will never see again for the rest of yur life. Airport = strangers land

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Totally strange and surreal. Love it though!

[@garrett128]

My wife flew round trip on PAL Business Class from Manila to Los Angeles a few months ago. She said PAL Business Class was terrible and was just like premium economy. It was a waste of money. Also, had a broken seat that she told the flight attendant about. They said they couldn’t change her seat because the flight was full. So she couldn’t sleep the entire flight because the seat cushion kept sliding and had to be frequently adjusted. PAL was not very helpful afterwards and has poor customer service. I would avoid PAL at all costs.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

That’s unfortunate. I wonder if it was my same seat or if there are more that have this same issue with the seat controls

[@EpicThe112]

You are correct on that one as a matter of fact my mother have to argue about her luggage being offloaded even though her final destination is Osaka Japan

[@pascachi]

I been taking PAL in any level of classes, the business class is not bad at all compare to other airlines. Since early 90’s we been taking Business Class every time we travel to Asia and if there’s some unusual with the services all you have to do is communicate with their customer service, they promptly response and pacify you with some rewards in exchange to the inconveniences you had. Try something else and find any airline that goes straight to your destination without the hassle of stopping to another country and wait for a couple hours to resume your destination…

[@deedeeseyer3263]

I heard that alot from other people...they are terrible.

[@EpicThe112]

@deedeeseyer3263 you are correct and talk to the customer service. You're going to deal with a lengthy conversation about it happened on my mother's flight from New York to Japan via Manila. EWR/JFK-KIX PR worst option better options are ICN Asiana/Korean Air UA via SFO NRT/HND JL/NH. Towards CEB from LAX,SFO,EWR,JFK, the better choices are BR CI🇹🇼 KE OZ🇰🇷 CX🇭🇰 SQ. Of these 5 star carriers, CX has the same exact jet-powered fleet as PR starting with the B-HSx A320-232s, which are equal to PR A320-214s B777-300/ER B-KPx = PR RP-C7771-7782 fleet A350s B-LRx B-LQx A359s = RP-C3501-RP-C3508 PR B-LXx A35Ks = upper RP-C35xx PR🇵🇭

[@carlsmith7458]

This is why I fly Delta. I have been flying to Philippines for a while now . Never have I had any problems. It will always be Delta Airlines for me.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Well now United’s got the nonstop to Manila so you don’t have transfer in Asia to another carrier

[@reyesmarlon5805]

Sadly Delta discontinued it's Manila service since 2021. I've flow with Delta thrice from Manila to the USA before and has been the best for me so far.

[@deandecoursey3061]

I used to be a big fan of Northwest Airlines. I tried Delta 2-3 times after they acquired NWA, hated the experience and haven’t flown Delta in over 20 years

[@EpicThe112]

​@@deandecoursey3061have you tried their partner Korean Air all the way you get a better service than DL/PR.

[@t3102870585]

I can't believe how you managed to keep your cool with the litany of hassles you experienced throughout your "business class" nonstop flight. Sadly, "you get what you pay for" is so true. But crew and food were the saving grace of the day. Still, as a Filipino, I appreciate how you ended your video on a positive note by still flying PAL despite it all.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

The seat was unfortunate but I had to think that if I was in literally any other seat it would have been a much better experience so I decided that since Philippine Airlines finally offered me some compensation for that, it wasn’t worth holding it against them entirely

[@allanis_the_great]

it is called disposition

[@ianbrinas2492]

I liked how you narrate the details of your trip report, professional and use of kind words to express your frustration and dislike. Other vloggers make use of brutal words on their unpleasant experiences with either hardware or software products directly highlighting those crap, Very well presented with honest, well researched, balanced and fair reviews. Nice Bro!

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Thanks so much! The way I see it, any chance to travel is a good experience, and there can be aspects that make it a bit tougher or less enjoyable, but that doesn’t mean it’s a bad experience altogether

[@ianbrinas2492]

@@PatrickSheaAviation True and highly appreciate your quick response. With regards to your question on making cabin completely dark for daylight flight it depends on the pax and type of aircraft. New A350 feature LED mood lighting onboard which most vloggers highly appreciate and noticed but older 777 doesn"t have. It is a hit and miss affair with PAL as 3 out 9 B777-300ER reg"n rp-c7778, 7779, 7782 have lay flat Recaro seats compared to the rest with inclined flat seats only. Repairs on seats functionality glitch are put on hold as demand for travel forced them to maximized aircraft utilization to cope up and have to wait for new fleet 2 to 3 years from now for A350-1000 with all new Biz, premium economy and standard econ seats to serve USA. The two A350-900 left with them usually ply the ultra long route to JFK or Toronto. This oldest airline of Asia still operating is known to travelers for cheapest biz class to Australia and the Middle East to fill up the front cabin with no expectation to be par with so called 5 star carriers like Asiana, EVA not to mention ANA Cathay and Singapore Airlines as long as they still making little profit rather flying empty Biz seats and not making money at all. Their A321NEO have fully flat Biz seats same offered by AA on their Transcon SFO/LAX to JFK

[@halitosis75]

Too many words. He loves his own voice

[@aliasmarg8ta127]

@@halitosis75 it's a review. He's supposed to talk.

[@stebopign]

the big boxes is because filipinos love bringing things back for friends to and from the philippines!

[@woutergijs5246]

The positive thing about 4 terminals is that it can go wrong 4 times. Great to have a lot of material to write about .

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

I know the T3 is new at MNL airport, but I’ve only ever arrived at that terminal. T1 is in desperate need of attention, and although I haven’t seen it in person, it sounds like T2 is as well

[@jlr_]

The reason why T2 has Mabuhay lounge is because T2 was exclusively PAL's terminal for the longest time. It was only this summer when they forced PAL international flights to move to T1 making T2 all domestic flights. I'm sure they'll eventually have a Mabuhay lounge in T1.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

I have heard of them possibly constructing a T1 lounge which I am excited for. Although T1 has some other things that need fixing for sure, although that will fall in the responsibilities of the airport and not the airline

[@jlr_]

@@PatrickSheaAviation which is also being worked on. The gov't is privatizing operations of the airport and the largest corps of the PH already submitted their proposal. It's just the waiting game for it to get approved.

[@TheFilipinoTraveler]

I hope that with the current Secretary of the Department of Transportation (and former PAL president) Jaime Bautista, renovating the terminals in NAIA would be a top priority. I have visited the PAL Mabuhay Lounge in Cebu International Airport a few times and that lounge is something Filipinos can be proud of, and hopefully PAL can make a bigger version of that in Manila.

[@aliasmarg8ta127]

Thank you for this video. You saved me money. There's no advantage in paying extra for a business class fare. IF PAL wants to compete with other airlines, they need to up their game.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Agreed. It does seem like that is coming soon with new aircraft showing up. The airport may still be a mess for years to come though

[@JH-2122]

My son and I flew with PAL on a round trip from SFO to MNL and back on an economy seats. We opted for the seats next to the Exit door for a better leg room. Unfortunately, the pullout trays as well as the head phones weren't working. During meal time we used our laps to improvised. When we landed in Manila I submitted a written complaint to fix the problem. Thirty days later on the way back home we had the same seat numbers but the issues weren't resolved. I kept the tickets as souvenir for the bad experience. A year or two later, PAL was barred from entering the USA until PAL complies with the FAA maintenance requirements. Since then I refused to fly with PAL.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Damn. That’s a crazy story

[@danielclooney6248]

Patrick, you are so right on flying in a darked out cabin for that long. Drives me crazy. I need to see out to maintain any level of sanity. On a recent flight to Hawaii, a lady with a window seat refused to put her shade down so I was able to look out her window. She was staying in same hotel as I so I made sure she knew how appreciative I was. I'm a foodie so I think I could put up with the mechanical issues if the food is wonderful. But that airport is a mess and don't think I could easily deal with it since I'm older now and less tolerant of unorganized crowds.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Yes!! 🙌 that’s awesome! And I do agree, that food is a big thing that can totally change the mood of a flight

[@Jbud5000]

I flew July 31 to LAX. It was exactly as you described. Heavy turbulence most of the flight and i couldn't get a cup of coffee served to save my life. I even asked in the galley during a restroom run. But again was ignored. Meanwhile a male flight attendent was delivering coffee to the passengers in his section. We didn't see our flight attendent for at least two hours.Not trying to be petty. But when you treat yourself to business class,you just assume a cup of coffee would be easy. Instead getting ignored compounded the issues with my chair not recliner having issues and the entertainment system kept turning on by itself.Its a long flight either way,but springing for Business class doesn't seem really worth it.

[@joseb9355]

I flew PAL Economy class last June of this year and I promise myself I won’t do it again. Period!

[@GlimpseInParadise]

Worst experience of my life. Literally wanted to jump out of the plane 7 hours in.

[@EpicThe112]

Try to avoid it as much as possible if you want its Fleet with the quality of the other East Asian premium five star Skytrax carriers head over to Hong Kong on CX to reach MNL. Taiwanese and Hong Kongers see it as this CX🇭🇰 > PR🇵🇭. In the Taiwanese and Hong konger native script its 國泰航空 vs 菲律賓航空. In my family it's a special case my father tries to avoid it as much as possible. it's a different result for my mother despite having frequent flyer mileage programs for the premium East Asian carriers from🇸🇬🇰🇷🇭🇰 she sees that as KE🇰🇷 SQ🇸🇬 CX🇭🇰 NH🇯🇵 < PR🇵🇭

[@edward88881]

I agree that there should be more light in the cabin during daylight hours. It's not just this flight - even on domestic flights within the US I find that most passengers close their window shades. It's a shame especially with such beautiful scenery below.

[@francisiturralde8470]

Lll

[@bingorichards5084]

I guess you have no idea what your idea is doing to your body. Jet Lag. And most people rest before they go off board the plane because they go straight to work. That's why most carriers in the US prefer closing the windows and dim the lights even if it's a day flight. I hope you understand why these are the norms.

[@joeyk9578]

From about Dec last year to middle of this year, only US bound PAL flights were transferred to T1 from T2. It was a much more pleasant experience with hardly any waitlines prior to check-in. The Paggs lounge was a bit full & I opted to go the smaller one which I enjoyed almost entirely to myself for nearly 2 hours. Not much in the way of amenities but it was quiet. I see from your video the situation has gone back to the chaos before T2 even opened with all PAL international flights back in T1.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

If I remember correctly, T2 has the only Philippine Airlines lounge? Either way, it wouldn’t hurt for them to take a look into renovations to the terminal

[@ianbrinas2492]

@@PatrickSheaAviation in their new adver PAL is launching new Mabuhay lounge in T1 set to open later this year

[@Flying_Gamer76]

@@PatrickSheaAviation Yes because PAL has just started since april to move international flights from t2 to t1

[@HIRSMACROHON1]

This will definitely come in handy should we decide to take Philippine Airlines from NAIA to LAX instead of our usual Cebu-Mactan direct flight to LAX. Thanks a lot for your review, Patrick!

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

That’ll be a great trip, and if it’s after October 29, you will also be able to fly United through SFO. It’s the first time there’s been another option coming from North America

[@EpicThe112]

You are correct. However, there are better options from CEB to LAX it's going via Taiwan CI and BR South Korea OZ and KE and SQ via SIN

[@titob.yotokojr.9337]

​@@PatrickSheaAviationAbout two decades ago I used to travel quite a bit between LAX/SFO and Manila. Back then there were three choices for direct flight: PAL, United, and Northwest (which later became Delta).

[@lutomson3496]

PA is a government owned airlnes...any other carriers will be better even though prices may be cheaper...this guy never even talked about it being a government owned airlines...

[@reynufable625]

​@@lutomson3496 PAL is owned by a holding company owned/controlled by Lucio Tan. It has been privately owned since 1992

[@JimboandGhen]

Good recent video and seems likes things still have not changed with PAL. They are so behind the times and wow, wifi and seat issues is not a good start. You made it safely so thats the main thing! Thanks for the share!

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Thanks! Yea… the 777 needs a bit of a facelift. I will say that the A350s appear to me much better, they just don’t have the capacity for SFO/LAX. Hopefully in a year or so when the A350-1000s arrive, we will see those on these high density routes 🤞🤞

[@mikem488]

PAL is currently building a new business lounge in terminal 1. Think they started during the pandemic. They have one room that fills up for 42 business class to LAX. Food is terrible. Very crowded. Food is good and service is good on the LAX flight. PAL just order 9 A350. To be delivered every six months starting in late 2025. To be used flying to USA. That should help mechanical problems inside the plane.

[@604xrp8]

After living in Makati for 5 years NAIA Terminal 1 has to be the worst airport I've ever had to depart from. I purposely avoided any airlines that departed from T1 and even T2, and chose Cathay/ANA/Singapore Airlines from T3 instead. Also in my 5 year of living in PH I can't remember a single time my flight was on time after 100+ flights out. MNL airport only has 1 runway for wide body planes so you're either circling the city for 30mins+ waiting to land, or you're waiting on the ground for flights to come in, then waiting for your turn to take off. As for Philippine Airlines, I avoided them at all costs and would even take a stopover in HKG, NRT, or TPE to get back to North America. I'd rather pay a bit more vs settle for below standard service/airline. I'm not surprised about your review at all in fact it makes me cringe bringing back bad memories. And why would you ever WANT to fly home on PAL? lol

[@roundbo]

Singapore airlines worked out great for us! Live the lounge right above the gate! Definitely made for an easy trip out of Manila!

[@EpicThe112]

Spot on and for CX they have a rivalry with PR on HKG-MNL for 77 years now. Easy way to tell apart CX versions from PR versions of A321neo A330-300 A350-900 A350-1000 B777-300/ER are the power plugs in economy class. for A359 A35K B77W CX versions are always equipped with exterior camera views while PR versions omit them. Have you also considered ICN KE/OZ🇰🇷 TPE BR/CI🇹🇼 those airlines beat PR too. In the case of HKG-MNL PR gets the Nannies that work in Hong Kong🇭🇰 back to Manila🇵🇭

[@JuniorJr_23]

Very good review. Thank you.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Thank you! Glad you liked it!

[@tcthedream]

I flew Philippine Airlines Newark to Manila and it was very nice - maybe not the BEST business class of all but for about a 1/3 less expensive than other airlines, it was MORE than sufficient AND the service was OUTSTANDING. The food was great. They say don’t sit in the seats by the galley but I did AND that was where the head stewardess was stationed. I was serviced first before anyone else. Also, whenever I sat up from the full reclined bed, they were right there offering me snacks (hot cooked food items) and beverages or asked me if they needed anything else. It was such a nice experience for the 16 hour PLUS flight, I was almost disappointed the flight was over. The return flight was just as nice. YOU CANT COMPLAIN ABOUT the airport - it’s not run by the airline. I highly recommend it and will definitely be traveling Philippine Airlines Business Class again.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Good to hear you had a positive experience. I too found the crew to be incredible on my flight. The cabin just needs some tlc. I do disagree on the airport. If you’re basing your main hub somewhere, you should be working with the airport to set up a good flagship space. That being said… they did JUST open their own brand new Mabuhay lounge so I’m hoping to try the airline again soon

[@jackieharrison7073]

I never try PAL yet, I always fly with United Airlines. Thanks for sharing your experience with PAL. 😊

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Well soon United will be at Manila too!

[@jlobsteroll]

I just got back from MNL and was sitting right next to where you were (I was seated at 6D). There was another passenger who sat in the same location where she was having issues with the seats. It was so bad that 2 flight attendants had to work together to put her seat back from sleeping position to eating manually. Wifi didn’t work and my remote wasn’t working. I wasn’t able to turn off the overhead lamp. I had to ask the flight attendant to manual turn it off from the main panel. Loved the food overall. After watching this video and saw the de-lamination on the wall, I knew those were the seats. I also saw the light flickering from the seat controls to confirm.

[@followthepanda]

I agree I sat in the same area and also saw the light on their arm rest panel flashing through the time everyone was sleeping. Also, my headphones didn’t work 😅😂

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Looks like we are seat friends!! It is unfortunate to see it in this state, and I do hope to see the improvement in the new fleet when it arrives

[@mylesgarcia4625]

Flew that flight, yes in Bus, in March 2019. I got the last seat available in Bus. While I found things, including the terminal, as you said, very crowded, I guess that's the main negative point of that experience. And yes, the whole setting seemed old, like you, I chose PAL mainly because of the direct connection from California and the food. Good to hear that United will be offering direct service starting in Oct 2023. I would pick them. In 2000 and 2004, I flew United to HKG and then just switched to PAL or Cathay to Manila. Those United flights on 747s were really superb. Unfortunately, my flying days to Asia are pretty much over.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Well I hope you get the chance to travel back there. Sounds like you had a similar experience

[@patriciaandrada4]

United airfares are ridiculously expensive, I just checked it’s USD$4000 - 8000 for business class😬

[@mylesgarcia4625]

@@patriciaandrada4 I have no plans of flying to Asia anymore but obviously you're looking at PEAK, HIGH-SEASON times. And when I flew United 20 years ago, I did Upgrades to business using my FF points. You get what you pay for.

[@patriciaandrada4]

@@mylesgarcia4625 FYI: that fare is not peak season rate. I don’t like United, they were not helpful at all when my flight was canceled, also happened to my sister and her companion. I would rather fly Delta but their route has too many layovers and change of planes unlike before it was only via Tokyo where we change planes.

[@mylesgarcia4625]

@@patriciaandrada4 Sorry to hear that you do NOT like United. And you are of course, entitled to your opinion w/ good reason. Well, I can only speak of my positive expriences with United. It's worked for me in the past. Best of luck.

[@franksom4300]

Thanks for your honest review.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Thanks!

[@jt98116]

Very informative as always Patrick. And it's not just you - if light outside the aircraft, I want my shade open, if dark outside I would prefer to close it.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

I mean to a certain extent, I understand that they want to help with jet lag for the arriving time zone, but 12 hours of darkness is a bit eerie

[@lesmisurbanite5306]

Good for United to fly direct to Manila. Good luck PAL. Please more options for us.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

It’ll be great to have the competition on that route. Hopefully forcing Philippine airlines to make some much needed improvements, although the A350s seem to be heading in a positive direction. Now we just need to fix the MNL Airport

[@jg-bd3hr]

I don’t know if anybody said this but not to spook you but if there’s water in the wall there’s a lot of stuff there including the window itself that can be damaged in an unsafe deadly way. That’s just my analytical mind saying but I don’t know for a fact. What I do know is when you have power problems like that that could lead to a fire that plane should’ve never been flying. Seats being removable it could’ve been a loose plug between the seat and aircraft but that’s also a fire hazard. I might choose a different airline even though I kinda like that one. Loved your video.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Good notes. Thanks!

[@teamviceion6809]

I must agree with the light situation, I flew one of their A350s to North America 2 months ago, and the stewardess told us to shut our windows down prior to takeoff. Since then, the whole cabin has been dark till landing. It was kind of awkward to open our window shade as it will become the only source of light in the cabin.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Totally!

[@m8tyone]

That is why PAL stands for “Pal Always Late”. Not only that Inefficiencies are the norm.

[@sasca854]

That definition is recursive! Lol

[@asianbarbzie]

What’s the point of giving a mobile pass if they’re not gonna honor it. Damn this airline is stuck in the 70’s when they were “world class!” So damn happy that United is finally flying directly to Manila!

[@carlservida]

Great video! Love how patient you are! I agree PAL definitely needs those A350s!

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Coming soon! Hopefully the -1000s will be seen at SFO/LAX. They’ll have to be able to support the capacity of the current 777 flights since the A350-900s are a bit small for what they need

[@carlservida]

@@PatrickSheaAviation Agreed!!

[@meganoleary584]

I flew Philippines airline with my eight month old and my three-year-old child in 2018. We got the bulkhead seats in economy class. We had an amazing experience my daughter who is three still remembers it so sad to see everyone’s experience we’re going back in 2025 and I’m starting to think that maybeI will choose another airline because we are flying business or first class this time

[@iashakezula]

I decided to fly in and out direct from Cebu this past July and that was very smooth and fast. I didn’t fly PAL though.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

I heard Cebu’s new terminal renovation was great as well

[@flymnl]

This was a great video! Nice to see more flight reviewers/reporters covering PAL (Philippine Airlines). More about the Lounge though: I think I know why there is two lounges for PAL. Firstly, since the move of all international operations to Terminal 1, the airline dosen't have its own lounge in terminal 1. It was a very fast move with poor planning (For the "premium" experience atleast) and the airline is still in the process of finding space for the Mabuhay Lounge in Terminal 1. Secondly, the two lounges for PAL flights is because the PAGSS Lounges are not only for PAL but also for other International Carriers flying to Manila. Also, all of the lounges in NAIA are small and cannot accomodate all passengers. Also, the lounge that you stayed in was (Dont Quote me on this) a makeshift lounge so that more PAL passengers could use the lounge. l'm dissapointed seeing this as this makes PAL take a step behind its already bright future. I'm happy to see though, that they are upgrading these 777s to much more modern A350-1000s in 2025, in fact two 777's are leaving the airline's fleet next year. However economy on these -1000's are rumored to be a 10-abreast seating for Economy. Which I am not looking forward for. I'm hoping that Business Class atleast becomes the industry standard direct-aisle access seating.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Yea T1 is a bit of a zoo, but I am excited to see if the growth of the airline will also be met with growth at the airport. As of now though the airport experience is just kinda sad. I am excited for the new airplanes, and I’m assuming business class will look like what they’ve got on the A350-900s or A330s, but economy will probably have to be in a 3-4-3 to maximize capacity as the routes currently served by the 777 are of such high capacity that a smaller aircraft just can’t handle the demand

[@EpicThe112]

You are correct on that however the 3-4-3 A35K 29 in seat pitch chosen by PR makes them lose out to Oneworld Alliance JL and CX 3-3-3 economy class

[@DurandSentinus]

Overall a good video about a PAL flight I took several times before finally reaching the "enough is enough" point with both PAL and NAIA back in 2018. A fair and balanced assessment of the absolute mess that is NAIA along with a reminder of how PAL earned the nickname "Plane Always Late". I hope you are able to do a video on the United direct route in the near future now that their SFO to NAIA route is active. For my wife and I, we made the decision to avoid NAIA and only use international flights that go directly to and leave from Cebu since that is where our family is located. Yes, we have paid more at times, BUT the "you get what you pay for" statement is very evident. It is still puzzling how PAL was ever able to earn and maintain a Skytrax 4 Star rating given they only have a 5/10 passenger rating on Skytrax. Oh well. Thanks again for taking the time to provide this video and safe travels!

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

You should check out my most recent upload 😉

[@patriciaandrada4]

If you’re willing to pay more then go ahead and use another airline. PAL had improved a lot with their new aircrafts and time management before the pandemic, I was flying PAL all the time within Asia, USA, Canada and Australia. Had not much problem at all. Of course nothing is perfect inside the aircraft, I have experienced also broken monitors, seats, and broken trays on other airlines where I paid a premium price🤔

[@perryugalde639]

I personally never flew PR. However, two of my sons traveled on PR from MNL to HNL, and their gripes included late departure (scheduled 6pm departure; 715pm actual departure) and closed window shades. Admittedly, the closed window shades AND dark cabin do annoy me. The late MNL departure for SFO is interesting.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

The dark cabin for 12 hours is just a lot. I get wanting to adjust people to their arriving time zone, but they didn’t even do that since we arrived well rested, but it was 10pm in SFO 🤷‍♂️

[@wengelder9256]

Why would late departure be the responsibility of the airline . Most of the time it’s not .

[@PassportBrosBusinessClass]

I used PAL's internet negotiation email system to get reduced price Business Class flight from Manila to JFK. I'd come there using their Premium Economy. As I'm 6'6" and a former Defense Noseguard, I needed more space. Business Class suits me perfectly. Firstly: I enjoyed being given a red carpet and expedited service for checking in while the rest of the people on line watched me move ahead. The PAGGS lounge was very nice. Very comfortable and quiet. The Food was good, but not perfect: a lot of dried out or emptied trays. The drink service was great tho. The flight was 16 hours. I was very comfortable, but I was seated ahead of the engine. A lot of high frequency vibration noise unlike the A380. Overall, I can't complain: economy and premium economy were far less comfortable and business class made my entire stay in Manila much more comfortable.

[@nkhan4]

I agree, they should let the cabin follow the light cycle of the destination. I assume since they didn't give the eye masks they turned all the lights off, but I find that weird.

[@chairmandan1794]

I don't want to buy a seat to sleep. I now refuse to business class for that very reason.

[@paulsz6194]

@@chairmandan1794 Which airline forces it’s Business Class passengers to sleep in their seats?? How do the flight attendants check if you’re sleeping? 🤔

[@LDW1961]

All airlines turn the lights off and encourage window shades down on long haul day flights. It's just practical for movie watchers and nappers, who are the vast majority onboard. If it was broad daylight you'd have restless kids running riot, over excited newb travellers wanting to party in the galley areas and demanding alcoholic drinks, which are free on most legacy long haul flights, and so forth, just a nightmare for everyone. Also, there's nothing to see outside crossing an ocean at 35 thousand feet.

[@chairmandan1794]

@@LDW1961 I pay good money for service, I don't like being treated like a two year old and told that it is rest time!!!

[@PassportBrosBusinessClass]

My return flight from Manila to NYC was cancelled due to weather so I had to stay overnight in a nearby hotel and then return to the airport at 5AM for my flight. I enjoyed the Paggs' lounge early morning breakfast. The economy customers were given Jolibees for breakfast.

[@jrodriguez014]

For a long time I haven't taken PAL because of my last experience about 20 years ago where the flight stewardess was kind of arrogant. Maybe because I'm just Filipino just like her. At any rate, she's supposed to be respectful when talking to passengers regardless. But now, with this video, I'll probably take a PAL flignt again...that's if I could convince my wife. We usually take KAL or JAL because the flight crews are more respectful and clean the bathroom all the time.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

I honestly really enjoyed my crew. I hope you get to try it again, maybe once their new fleet starts flying these routes in 2025!

[@eugenes5788]

Great video! Have me flashbacks back to 2015-2016 when i was flying regularly to MNL on UA… i have flown PAL in economy from LAX to MNL and back before because it is the only non-stop bit after moving to the was coast in the U.S., now i fly there on Qatar Airways that flies to terminal 3 which is a tad bit nicer that old and worn out terminal 1. That mosh pit area you were flying out of is where they used to have Kuwait airways flying from but i can’t remember extra checkpoints for US flights as i also thought PAL was only flying out of terminal 2 before.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

That’s awesome! I believe you’re correct about T2, but not it seems like PAL has flights from each terminal

[@happyphoto200]

I have been on one of the ex Philippine airlines A350's from Mumbai to Munich, the A350 was bought by Lufthansa and retains the Philippine airlines A350 cabin as of august 2022.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

That’s interesting! I didn’t know about Lufthansa acquiring ex-PAL a350s

[@alemond6796]

Welcome to the Philippines try living here for 14 years

[@kevin19358]

Are you gonna fly United's inaugural flight from San Francisco to Manila next week, compare to Philippine airlines that you flew last July?

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

I’ll be there!

[@kevin19358]

Okay good luck on your 1st inaugural flight on United Airlines to Manila.

[@BB-dp4kh]

I was on the MNL-LAX flight...delayed for passengers from davao...there were irate passengers..anxiously waiting for UNITED to begin direct service from SFO...

[@WRic86]

united is going to hurt PAL

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Sounds like they are usually delayed so I’m sure it happens for all kinds of reasons. Things like that can be overlooked if it’s the only airline on the route. I am excited to see how it changes with United’s competition

[@retalus]

@@WRic86 Only if they can meet / beat the price. Pinoys/ays are penny pinching aficionados and if United's cost is too much more above PAL's, we'll stick with PAL.

[@PhilippineAirlinesTV]

Hi, Patrick Shea. Thank you for sharing your recent flight experience with us. We truly value your feedback and appreciate the time you took to provide us with your insights. We apologize for any inconvenience during your journey, particularly with the check-in process and our contracted lounge facilities. We will work on improving these aspects to ensure a smoother and more comfortable experience for all our passengers. Regarding the delay of your flight, we understand the importance of timely communication. We will review our procedures to ensure that announcements are made promptly, keeping our passengers informed throughout their journey. We have taken note of your observations on the cabin conditions and amenities. Please accept our sincere apologies for the inconvenience caused by the issues with your seat and in-flight entertainment system. Please be assured that our engineering team is diligently investigating the root cause to prevent such occurrences in the future, ensuring that our passengers can enjoy uninterrupted entertainment inflight. Additionally, we will review the in-flight entertainment options, ensuring a more diverse and enjoyable selection of movies and TV shows. We are glad to know that you appreciated the music selection, and we will continue curating great playlists for the enjoyment of all our passengers. On a positive note, we are thrilled to hear that you enjoyed our in-flight meals. Our culinary team takes great pride in creating delightful dining experiences for our passengers. Your kind words about our crew's service and fluency in English have been shared with them. Your positive feedback motivates us to continue providing excellent service to all our valued passengers. Thank you for recognizing the efforts of our dedicated team. We want to express our unwavering commitment to providing the best travel experience possible for our passengers. Your valuable feedback plays a crucial role in helping us identify areas where we can make improvements and enhance our services. Thank you for choosing our airline for your journey. We sincerely appreciate your trust in us and the opportunity to serve you. We hope to have the pleasure of welcoming you on board again soon for an even better and more enjoyable journey.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

This is all great to hear! Love knowing that you guys care and take pride in becoming the best company you can be! I look forward to flying with you guys in the future! ✈️✈️

[@richiewalker0114]

Philippines Airlines needs a complete overhaul. There’s nothing good to say about the airline except the staff being courteous. But overall including the third world Manila airport snd overly redundant security, it’s at the bottom of any travel list.

[@WRic86]

started Flying PAL in 2006 (B 747) they were using this post then, all talk, nothing has changed

[@gregorybaker330]

Patrick The most extensive and objectives reviews. Well done

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Thanks a ton man!

[@chrisdsouza8685]

The two big requirements for me are reclining seats and wifi. I find it incredible that you had to struggle with those.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

It’s unfortunate to have that when paying extra for a premium experience. They have since reached out to help me get some form of refund at least

[@angbiyaherongfanboy9550]

I may have to reconsider flying PAL internationally as they operate out of Terminal 1 - i actually prefer Terminal 2 (where they use to operate international flights before) or even 3.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

PAL is now spread across all terminals in Manila. T3 definitely being the best, but has the least amount of PAL flights

[@angbiyaherongfanboy9550]

@@PatrickSheaAviation I think they're no longer there as of this time. 1 and 2 only. But we used Terminal 3 to fly PAL to Caticlan in 2017.

[@filipino8088]

If you had that much of a problem with seating I would ask for a refund or at least partial refund. Terrible part of Philippine airlines. I like how calm you are with you video though. Good and honest review

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Thanks! The refund is a work in progress. The airline is making it nearly impossible to even get a refund request in to them

[@Anthonyoutsidethebox]

I honestly appreciate you doing this review. Made it easy for me to rule them out and man that airport and its layout! 😬 not sure I want to fly there 😅

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

lol yea it’s tough right now. Their A350-1000s should be here next year though !

[@Anthonyoutsidethebox]

@@PatrickSheaAviationthat fixes one problem but that airport! 😂seems like they need a brand new one

[@fakerating]

I don't find them a good deal at all. They have a monopoly on all of their NONSTOPS across the Pacific, and they charge a premium for that. They are always the most expensive to/from Manila.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Well that May change in October once United becomes the only other airline with direct service from North America to the Philippines on this same route

[@maelestepa9252]

When I came to America the first time I flew with United via Seattle, Washington to San Francisco.

[@fakerating]

@@maelestepa9252 Fascinating story.

[@sktoh4469]

​@@maelestepa9252When I first flew into the USA, I flew with Continental Airways. 😁

[@augustjohnnycrashed]

Shit food, uncomfortable seats loud children I'm done!!! Oct 29 United nonstop to Philippines!!

[@ErikoOnna]

Terminal 2 was an exclusive pal terminal with international and domestic flights. Then recently, they moved the pal international flights to terminal 1. and terminal 2 is no longer exclusive to pal. That was one of pal’s selling points is you won’t have to transfer airports if you were coming from North America or other international pal flights since your connecting domestic flight was also on terminal 2. Terminal 1 only caters to international flights. If I’m not mistaken the only pal flights on terminal 3 were “pal express” flights.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Good to know. Thanks!

[@edwinholcombe2741]

I wish PAL could get their act together. They must do maintenance. It gives people a bad impression.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

I will say, getting the authorization to fly to the US is tough and so if maintenance was lacking too much they could lose that certification so you have to think they are okay on that front (enough at least). Upkeep of the cabin may be a different story, but who really knows what’s going on behind the scenes 🤷‍♂️

[@JuanRamos-ve3eh]

Hello again Patrick. On 12:21 of your video you will see the metal tab with the round indentation on the lower right corner of the tray table. You pull on the tab and the tray releases to swivel out of the way so you can leave your seat even if laden with the meal. Unfortunately malfunctioning business class seats are a common occurrence on those old 777s of PR. One solution is to ask the crew to manually crank it into bed mode, a bit of a hassle but better than trying to sleep upright. Congratulations on a balanced report. I enjoyed it.

[@clementcho]

Good lord, everything you said about the plane and the lounge happened to me. My seat didn't work, even the call button and tv remote are busted this time. Marbaha lounge is the saddest lounge that I have been to so far and I thought Plaza Premium in Hong Kong was sad...... but I'm so wrong. I need to walk to the other side of the terminal to get to this lounge. Why should US passengers endure lower standards? Do we actually payless for our tickets?! That's BS!!

[@jimtalor7971]

As my wife would say anytime I complain about promptness and delays "Its Philippine Time".

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

HA! 😂

[@MarxAviano]

It's important to note, that final security layer will dispose of any liquids you just purchased in the terminal. All the drinks you thought you could take on the plane, nope.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

That totally sucks. I wonder what the reason for that is if there’s already a security checkpoint and they’re already checking everything being sold in the airport

[@madtownbbbear]

Another excellent video, Patrick. Extremely informative. I have no plans to go the Philippines or take Philippine Airlines, but if I were to your video would have been amazingly helpful. You brought up some items few others do. Keep it up! 9.25

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Thanks a ton! Glad you liked it

[@opcal3897]

@patrick shea. Can you share where you get your plane ticket? 'A little over usd1k ' is a great price. Normally it is 2k-3k each way in pal biz'

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

I typically use all different sites. Sometimes booking with the airline directly is cheaper, but other travel agencies around the world can typically give deals for these tickets. I could talk though the process for a while as each ticket I buy usually takes about a month of daily flight searches with a ton of city pairs to find the absolute cheapest deal. One of the usual rules: direct flights are almost always more expensive. For this flight, for example, I booked JJN-MNL-SFO with a long layover in Manila

[@teamviceion6809]

You should definitely try United Airlines' upcoming non-stop service to Manila starting this October and see how it compares to Philippine

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Yep. I’ll be on the inaugural for that one

[@teamviceion6809]

​@@PatrickSheaAviationcan't wait for the flight review. Today's the day

[@jamessayers4046]

Great and informative trip report Patrick! My husband (who is Filipino) and I have flown PAL's A330 business class (from Sydney Australia where we live) to Manila a few times, to which their A330's they fly here have 1-2-1 seating, much better than the 777's business product. I certainly agree with you on PAL's food offering, it's impressive! I definitely agree with you on Manila's traffic, absolutely horrible!! The first time I visited Manila, it took 2 hours to travel 5 kilometres (to Makati). Looking forward to your next report, and we love San Francisco, I proposed in flight to my now husband on an Air New Zealand flight to SFO, luckily, he said yes 🥰

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Thanks! Even more happy that y’all love San Francisco! I’ve heard the A330s were nicer, but unfortunately they need the capacity of the 777 for SFO and LAX

[@minhyuklees1bebe902]

hope they'd refresh their cabins for international flights, we're paying 2x the price of a usual ticket with 5J so there better be ifes and chargers.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Yea, I’d hope so, but with the A350-1000s on the way I could see them replacing the high density routes and these old cabins will be placed on routes within Asia

[@requimbo]

Pal Business class - Manila=SFO=Manila should be labeled " Busines Class kono", in flight service is ok, food is ok.... but seat is premium economy! United airlines starts SFO-MNL with exceptional business class! its time to try

[@colleensantos718]

Thanks for this review, I used PAL in 2018 and did not have a problem but since last year with so many complaints, I don’t think I will travel with them again. Hoping to fly Emirates from Orlando and stop in Dubai for few days then Manila.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

That should be a great flight! Enjoy!

[@jamesccook]

I did the LAX to MNL business round trip, LAX to MNL, no entertainment system and no charge port Departed 3 hours late Was offered miles but only got half MNL to LAX no entertainment working, and the seat in-op and was stuck in full uptight for 14 hr, No offer for compensation Really a sad experience for me

[@kciresmith496]

Thanks for honest review. PAL excellent with service and food but not good lounge and need to upgrade with new aircraft, current aircraft too old already. My next flight probably not PAL, will choose japanese or korean airline

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Totally agree. Hopefully the new fleet arriving next year will bring a better future to Philippine Airlines

[@brendanpottier884]

I definitely agree. When its daytime windows must be open.

[@JS-ii9gi]

Its an old B777. Lucky if you are flying with their A350. Thats the problem with PAL, cabin facilities do not require refurbishing on old aircrafts. Unfortunately, the last flight i took it was dirty and the overhead lights cannot be switched off so even if the cabin is supposedly dimmed after dinner for pax to sleep , the lights in my are is still lighted.. but of course the services done by crew is superp.. cant wait for United to start its flight. Maybe PAL will start fixing these inadequate cabin facilities.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Unfortunately the old 777s are the only aircraft with the capacity for SFO and LAX. They do have the larger model of A350 on the way and then hopefully that will bring the new interior to this route

[@erwinjohnv]

@@PatrickSheaAviation unfortunately their A350-900 only flies to east Coast.. so its an all B777 in the west coast... A350-1000 well hopefully it will bring changes. PAL must live up with their 4 star skytrax rating. They forgot to maintain it anymore

[@EpicThe112]

@@erwinjohnv you are correct. However, their 15 A350s are no match for the larger SQ QR and CX fleets

[@JuanRamos-ve3eh]

On the lower right corner of your tray table is a silver tab with a round indentation. This tab pulls out and allows the tray table to swing and be moved away so you can easily get in and out of your seat.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Interesting! I couldn’t get it to work, so maybe it was just jammed 🤷‍♂️, but it was tough to get around without that

[@Originalman144]

It does twist a little bit but it doesn't give that much space to get out due to the design. There's just not much room for the table to go forward at all.

[@f0udr3]

yoooo this is some next level business class. no one is doing it like PA, truly some world class service and environment

[@604xrp8]

You're joking right?

[@f0udr3]

@@604xrp8 what makes u say that? lmao

[@andrewmuller3558]

Did you get any compensation for the seat malfunctioning? Also this ticket was started from where. Ex mnl-sfo can’t be $1k usd one way in J

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

I’m working on getting some form of compensation, but they aren’t making it easy…. And it was booked as JJN-MNL-SFO

[@stevejeffrey7948]

PAL was described the Filipinos I worked as Plane Always Late.

[@billtube2009]

I had the exactly same experiences as you this January from Manila to Sydney. I don't think I will flight with them again. However, to be fair, It was pretty good for our earlier flight from Sydney to Manila. the flight attendants were so nice though.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Well I am hoping that new cabins on the a350s will make it all a bit better. Now they just have to fix the MNL Airport

[@maelestepa9252]

@@PatrickSheaAviation wait until they open the new Manila international airport in Bulacan, opening soon.

[@obZen07]

Looks like I'll be sticking with SQ for SE Asia travel. I've been on their business class multiple times, I agree it's more expensive than PA, however I find it worth it. Tbh I think even the premium economy from SQ beats this.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Yea that's fair enough. If you can pay the pricetag, there are definitely better trans-pacific airlines

[@scottriley4486]

Very helpful as I am flying from San Fransico to Manila Oct 2, gives me alittle as to what to expect.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Hopefully you’ve got better luck with your seat workin 🤞. Hope you enjoy the flight!

[@donnabarnaiha6880]

NAIA terminals sucks a lot!!!!!! I cannot wait for 2027 for the Bulacan airport to open... Good thing it will be manage by a private company SMC...

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

That’ll be great. It’ll be good to have some other, better airport since it’ll hopefully inspire NAIA to actually put in some work

[@urbanoguarin4822]

Well- chronicled about flight information.Very informative.Good.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Thanks!

[@lorddrift2234]

Lounge situation you were provided is strange. Usually flying out on KAL but the one occasion I went to the smaller lounge was because the main lounge was full and they were using for overflow. May be an airline specific thing.

[@JohnKevinBautista]

PAL just got transferred to Terminal 1. Before when PAL was in TERMINAL 2 its really good because the staff there are from PAL but the govt decided to transfer them to diffent terminal it sucks! So service went really down.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

It sounds like they are kind of spread out across all the terminals there since they are growing. It just doesn’t sound like the airport is able to keep up with the growth of their biggest carrier

[@teamviceion6809]

I just hate the fact that there's still security check at the boarding gate which made it hard for us to roam around the area while waiting for our flight

[@dinopiccio4144]

The security checks at the boarding are mandated by the US Government for all flights bound for the US.

[@teamviceion6809]

@@dinopiccio4144 im talking about my personal experience going to Canada

[@wespuckdog3897]

I just flew from Manila to Amsterdam on KLM, 17 hours! NEVER AGAIN with KLM!!!

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Interesting. I had a great flight on my one time with KLM

[@walterwlim]

I would never want to connect thru MNL Airport due to the logistics of changing terminals (if necessary).

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

I didn’t have to deal with that on this trip, but I can imagine it to be a nightmare based on the layout alone

[@Jbud5000]

I honestly felt that they purposely keep the plane dark as a subliminal way of getting the majority of passengers to not bother them and they could go chill out.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Nah idk about that. The crew was loving talking to people the whole flight

[@eratichumidity3843]

As a Filipino, I hope that the new Manila international Airport will be able to reduce the overcrowded NAIA airport

[@BruceM8]

Thanks for the video. I've been curious about Philippines Airlines for years, and now I know. You have an incredible way of weaving a multitude of detail into your fast-paced videos. As to the issue of being required to keep window shades closed throughout flight, I agree with you and it's a pet peeve of mine as well. I want to see the sky, at least some of the time, and especially when we are flying over interesting terrain.

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Totally! Glad you found the video informative. I hope to get a video on their A350s once the -1000 variants arrive as the cabins should be brand new. Now we just have to hope MNL airport can figure itself out

[@richiewalker0114]

Philippines Airlines is already at a disadvantage since it's stuck using the old Terminal 1 for International flights. Awful. But the Philippines is broke, so no money to rehab it.

[@arseniotedra4573]

#Philippineairline#aimglobal#thankyou Good morning and GOD BLESS ❤️

[@abrahamdsl]

at 15:58 , parent company/owners of PAL also majority owners of that (Lufthansa Technik PH - joint venture with Germany's)

[@redcomusic]

That pork adobo was everything. I want to know how to make it! - Red

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Pork Adobo >>>>

[@deandecoursey2334]

It looks like I’ll be flying LAX to BKK this December. I’m sure that it will be economy and to reduce the cost, as I’m originating from Kansas City, I’ll fly Southwest on points to LAX (I’ve done this at least 15 times). On the return, the plane is supposed to land at 8:15 AM. I would normally give myself 3 hours to make the Southwest flight to MCI. As PAL has a reputation for being late, how much time should I allow to make my Southwest flight to MCI?

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

If you have to clear immigration on arrival, it can take an hour or so, but being in the morning does make it a bit better usually. I typically allow 3 hours at a minimum when I have to clear immigration and recheck my bag

[@paulsz6194]

So add 3, perhaps 4 hours then. BKK is usually pretty go for on time ( or close to on time ) departures. Which airline is flying direct between LAX- BKK ?

[@Jbud5000]

I don't know who was flying,but it was the smoothest landing i ever experienced on July 31 at around 1930.

[@jimjefftube]

Good Job Patrick, appreciate your take on this flight and its value at $1,100 especially if it's seat worked? What aircraft type do you personally pilot?

[@PatrickSheaAviation]

Thank you! I think the value is totally worth it. Its an older seat, but in a year or so there will be a whole new fleet with new seats and all. I am excited to try that, and hopefully it will still be at the same price point

[@reynufable625]

Pretty accurate but I flew out of Manila just in July. There were power ports at each seat that were against the wall. There were center table with ports also