Philisophical/Sexological - with Ray Alex Williams

We had friend of ours and friend of the pod Ray Alex Williams on to discuss all manner of autosexual things.
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[@bigred-m9h]

i really like the openness and exploratory nature of these types of conversations

[@jodieiscool9351]

Ray sent me 👍😁

[@Sally-pn8dd]

Interesting video, I agree lots of research needed and great last comment, that the problem at the moment is that society tells the AGP man he is a woman.

[@jodieiscool9351]

What is the definition of Spexual orientation or attraction. Autogynephilia cannot be put in this category because it means an attraction to another person. An inward attraction to yourself is something else unless, you are changing the meaning of sexual orientation. Why can't we call it a paraphilia or fetish. ? Is the reason we can't because we won't like these people coming to conferences or work in schools or in hospitals etc. Ray. Is it too personal to ask how your autogynephilia manifested or played out while you were a trans woman. I suspect that is too personal of a question. But you can see why I would want to ask. I always love your content Ray. And thankyou for recommending this channel. Ps. I'm not a smart person. I don't articulate well. But Im trying to understand. Thanks ❤

[@jasonwismer2670]

Because its more then just "I get off on it." Because the person involved is yourself, or at least a 'womanly' view of yourself, you evolve from 'sexual' to 'romantic' feelings about yourself dressed as a woman. Denying this begins to deny the romantic feelings you get, and it becomes very much like losing a close relationship. Now imagine a girlfriend that you broke up with that you had to see every day. That you love her, and know she's there around the corner waiting for you to come back, and will accept you with open arms. Sounds like hell. Yes, its absolutely a sexual misfire in some way, but so is being gay. Having a misfire that you cannot correct and attempting to convert autoheterosexuals away from what they are would be the same as denying a person who is gay. The question then is not, "Is this a real feeling they feel that needs management" but, "How should Autoheterosexuals best manage who they are?" Transition seems right out, as transition impacts your sexuality, the very reason you want something. Role play, awareness of what you are, and finding the right time and place to enjoy this seem, to me as a person who does not have this, as a reasonable means of management like any other sexual orientation. I think the main problem is public 'sexual advertisement'. Advertising to other people that you're an autoheterosexual is fine in the right time and place. But should it be done all the time? Or if it is, should it be blatant and in your face, or more subtle like most people do? I feel the autohet community needs to explore how to sexually advertise in a more subtle way. For example, a gay man may have a certain fashion sense and manner of speech at work, but its still professional and respectful of other people. Sexual advertisement in general is uncomfortable to many people in excess in the wrong place and time. I feel this is one of the main problems with the autoheterosexual community, at least on the mtf side. They seem to confuse, "I'm expressing that I'm a woman" with "I'm sexually advertising as a woman", and go too far.

[@h.orrore]

A sexual orientation is merely the way you are "oriented" "sexually". A paraphillia is defined as an abnormal sexual interest that persists. So in truth, I find the semantic debate about these two words unhelpful. It's more important how it's experienced.

[@StormBringer5]

Ray prefers to call it “auto heterose xuality”. He is heterose xual, but his this heterose xuality is inverted, so that he experiences se xual attraction towards himself when dressed “as a woman”.

[@oliviamaynard9372]

The idea that 80% of trans women have a fetish is just wrong. The major correlating factor I see in trans is childhood trauma Misandry is getting way too much traction in this "debate".

[@phililly]

That 80% statistic comes from adding up all the trans women who report nonhomosexuality (being het, bi, or ace with respect to birth sex). Blanchard's research showed that nonhomosexual MTFs are of autogynephilic etiology.

[@oliviamaynard9372]

@phililly I am bi and not agp. He is just incorrect. He may be mostly correct but idk and doubt it. His theory fails in my case and I believe in many cases. I am trans cause conversion therapy not cause of a fetish. My being bi doesn't change that

[@njada1691]

I just started this episode but this podcast spends a lot of time explaining that fetish doesn't describe AGP.

[@oliviamaynard9372]

@@njada1691 They will say that then turn around and use AGP as a pejorative as a synonym for fetish

[@nickj5451]

​Not the hosts of this podcast, no. AGP is understood and used that way frequently tho, yes.

[@akab750]

interesting stuff