I think Aaron is completely right when he says that 2015 was the watershed moment for when trans became mainstream. I have previously identified that exact year as the year when I started to consider that transition might actually be a viable option for the first time. Icons such as Caitlyn Jenner started popping up. People were talking about it. Whereas before it was just a weird strange fantasy that I never had mentioned to another living soul on this earth. So interesting that this experience is so universal and so precisely timed that it can be pinpointed down to a single year. And to think that it’s only 10 years ago! Wow how the world and culture have changed (almost a 180) in that short amount of time!

If homosexual unions and heterosexual marriages should be separate legal entities, what category would a union between a transwoman and a transman fall under? Would it count as a marriage because it is technically heterosexual in nature or would it be classified as a homosexual union because of the cross gender presentation? (Just a very hypothetical pondering lol)

Hell yesssssss

Females who want to be MtFs is really interesting. Never heard of that before. Fell was a great guest.

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Great episode, Fell! Thanks for being the one to start off my podcast, much bravery

An someone AGP myself, one of the features I've found that helps contend with it is what I call a double erotic target inversion. The way in which autosexual people can find making themselves attractive in the form they most like is itself something I can find attractive, and so rather than having solely autosexual interests, I can reengage allosexuality by being attracted to this expression of autosexuality in others.

Eh... can you not touch your keyboard while recording? That clicking hurts my ears

Something I’d like more clarification on that I didn’t get from your previous videos (or if so, sorry I missed it, and you might address it in later videos) was sort of each of your journeys into homosexuality through autohet after being heterosexual/bisexual in the past. Did autohet “turn” you gay? And if so, any ideas as to why and when this occurred?

-why on earth would lesbians watch male on male corn? -wait, what if it’s just AAP behaviour? -always has been

This was a good episode. Glad to see it’s getting coverage via the algo

What a train wreck.

So you voted for the man civily liable for SA who is corrupt to the core even though Harris said nothing in support of trans people during her campaign. Question: do you really want your guest to have to go to the men's room? And buck angel to go to the women's room. Thats whete the gop is going. You voted for trump dispite the fact that he was upset that gays and transpeople can't be fired for being trans after his DOJ lost the bostock decision. Trans people would be forced back in the closet if it wasn't for the democrats.

and what about legal s. change on documents? along with bathrooms, it's another issue that affects the everyday lives of all transsexuals. do you think it should be allowed? or are there possible compromises (such as third categories or optional removal of gender markers from certain documents such as driver's licenses or passports)? would you "legally detransition" those who have already changed legal gender markers? just as avoiding public bathrooms can lead to dehydration and constipation, avoiding situations when you have to show documents to strangers can also have similar life-limiting consequences. (also i'm a working class trans person and i couldn't do the work my male coworkers are given. you know hrt reduces the muscle mass.)

The use of weird, misleading, ideological language makes this topic so difficult to discuss, in an honest, clear way (even when people aren't intentionally being dishonest). Especially when so much of that ideological language relies on conflating self-declared "genders", with real, evidence-based sex, in a very inconsistent, confusing way. When you have a male, who identifies as a 'transwoman', talking about "my wife might (hypothetically) act like a gay man"... Even as someone who follows this issue, who's pretty familiar with how these terms are used, I'm still lost... [Not trying to be rude, sincerely, but I'm just going to use simple, honest, sex-based language and pronouns, for clarity's sake... Since that's kinda the whole point of what I'm saying...] So, that means that the "wife" is another male, identifying as a "transwoman" (making him a "wife"), but who might hypothetically dress in a way that's stereotypical for gay men? Or, the "wife" is female (making her the "wife"), identifying as a "trans man", who might hypothetically dress in a way thats associated with gay men? Especially terms around sexuality, turn into a mess, when you adopt "gender" ideology's rules, of conflating self-declared "genders" with biological sex- ie, the idea that when a heterosexual man "transitions", he becomes a "lesbian" (with or without the "trans" prefix). Or that a female, attracted to other females, is somehow "straight", if she adopts the "trans man" label, and male pronouns. It's called "SEXuality" for a reason. (also "same SEX attracted", "homoaSEXual", "biSEXual", "heteroSEXual" etc... it's never been "GENDERuality", or "same-GENDER attracted", or "homoGENDERuality", etc.) Sex-independent "gender" should have ZERO effect on the terms used to discuss SEXuality.

I knew this would be a great show. Taf has such a clear & solid understanding of herself. It is admirable. I've always found it kind of ironic how both GCs & TRAs actually agree on the complete misunderstanding of AGP as a niche fetish. When auto-sexuality in general is a completely varied & complex phenomenon.

Finally a nuanced take on the issue...I love how genuine and articulated you all are...so refreshing! 🌸

I relate to so much of this. From my early teen years, I was inclined to take riské pictures of myself, regardless if anyone saw them or not. Thank goodness i grew up in the 90s before social media. As I got older I definitely liked to share on Tumblr etc. When i was a kid/teen my parents joked that I was in love with myself.... my mom would literally tell me to stop navel gazing. I didnt really engage in group play unless I had to and mostly wondered around with my own thoughts/imagination and maybe 1 friend. I was obsessed with drawing alternative cartoon girls that embodied my own fashion tastes and looked like me. I am a biological woman who is pretty much exclusively heterosexual and very much attracted to men. However, like Taf mentioned, I am unlikely to engage intimately if I havent made an effort to dress/look in the ways I find myself most attractive. This aspect has always seemed to be a way higher priority for me when compared to my female friends. How i look to myself WILL make or break an intimate experience. Oddly, i have never had any interest in watching other creators 'corn' ...which again, I noticed amongst my friend groups/partners throughout life, was somewhat abnormal. I do like to research various 'corn' for aesthetic purposes so I can incorporate ideas visually into my own "content" which i enjoy making and viewing 100% more. Prior to understanding autos*exuality as a concept, I would tell people I have a vanity k*ink. It was the closest idea I had to describe my experience since it is almost entirely based on aesthetics and self objectification. Yet, I am an otherwise run of the mill alternative heterosexual woman, even boring by some standards. I have always been fascinated by body modification and have some of my own, which is just another reason i find the topic of transition so interesting. I agree that adults should be able to express and make changes as they please...but that this should not have a strong bearing on policy or law. ANYWAYS!!! Love your channel and always love the chance to hear Taf talk some realness!!

The ‘trans community’ made a mistake when they went down the ‘TWAW’ blind alley. Acceptance based on AGP would have been a harder road in the short term, but long term would have provided a more sustainable position both for society and the individuals’ understanding of themselves. Ironically, it would also make the T a much better fit within the LGB. I truely think the AGP community is one of the sanest communities online.

1:30:00 everything is temporal. Everything is time and place. "Turn and face the strange ch ch changes"

A lot of HSTS don't want to get SRS, and that's at least partially because the majority GAMPs aren't attracted to post op transexuals.

44:50 appreciate Tali clarification around Blanchard's typologies as well as Zucker and Baileys work all of which have been so vilified and misrepresented in the past decade. Interesting that Wu posted about AGPs since vilifying Ray Alex Williams on Dollcast.

"disgust response" is instinctive and protective, not primarily about morality, tho morality is often derived from it.

31:55 um Lily Phillips and Bonnie Blue have both received vitriol for the over sexualized way they present themselves, as have the Kardashians, so hard disagree with Taftaj that only transwomen and "ugly" girls face vitriol for dressing in a highly sexualized manner.

Why can’t you address the real issue? Trans upends societal norms in a very pernicious way. We segregate certain spaces and sports by sex. If Taf wants to pursue cosmetic changes to his body, sure knock yourself out (to the extent that medical entities can indemnify themselves and will approve mutilating surgeries). A man taking hormones or getting surgeries to try to deceive others that he’s not male does not grant him rights to services, spaces and sports set aside in society for actual women. Men like Taf’s rights to alter their bodies don’t trump the rights of others in society to have spaces that exclude males for the safety and dignity of women and girls.

Love the way Taf expresses her ideas, her journey really is so interesting, and the "engine" behind her sharing all of it really is admirable. I really like her disposition towards switching the conversation from "necessity" to "enjoyment", Good work by the presenters as well. Tali's experiences were also illuminating and I found her motivations for pursuing truth equally admirable. Interesting to hear about the TERF/GC past I think that some of the things mentioned are i guess reasonable in the american context of informed consent + private healthcare but that when "public" means spending and no longer just mere social dynamics, expression, etc. like in Europe's healthcare systems then stuff changes and the questions of gatekeepers start making sense, same with seeing people who are paradoxically trapped by a "rights-based" world. For example, it's different to argue that people "should be allowed to" X (bottom, hormones, etc) vs that the State has the obligation to provide them. It changes the balance of "what's harmful", from "neutral" to "bad" if you have a zero-sum mentality regarding public spending (which generally there is, I think for true reasons) I guess the part about the current "meta" of civil rights covers that and certainly there's "state interference" already in the US as you mentioned, and I do also think the US has sort of "lead" the international western ideology and somewhat soft-powerfully imposed it onto the world but I'm not sure of how it will go or if i'm as optimistic about this "bodily autonomy" new meta being a thing here in Europe. I think that there's good chances that the pendulum swings back to a bad place for autosexual/trans people. I think I have the same fears as Aaron but maybe a bit heightened bc I feel like in europe we do shit like the US do, but like 5 years later, and in a way that we end up worse off comparatively to you.

6min this is sooo common for boys and girls going through normal development when allowed to do so. That was the way it had been throughout the 80s and early to mid 90s. It changed in the 2000s sadly.

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Taf’s interview with Ben Boyce years ago was one of my first intros to AGP and helped me understand it through a more sympathetic lens. Specifically the discussion about there being a romantic component, like most sexualities have.

I love Taf he is so lovely🥰❤

hot off the presses!

This was a fascinating discussion and is my first serious foray into this theory of yours (I’m Veritas on X). My preliminary understanding of it is that it seems we all possess some level of autosexuality which is how we relate to our own bodies vs. how we relate to other people’s bodies. Gay men are repulsed by vagina, indeed, but straight women aren’t, unless of course they have sex dysphoria around that part. Straight men are repulsed by or are at least indifferent to other men’s penises yet have a very intimate relationship with their own, unless they have sex dysphoria around that part. I suspect though that a healthy level of autosexuality without sex dysphoria wouldn’t necessarily mean a man is AAP or a woman is AGP. But I look forward to watching the next video!

11:08 I wonder did Aaron ever realize the AAP Tali is talking about is, in fact, a woman? Or now is he going to claim they just used a voice changer on phil's interview. Delusional.

Love that no one desires to transition because in shop class they choose the pink bag instead of the grey bad. Your facial expression when you said that were just perfect. When you could use something in a comedic and serious way I think that's a good indicator that your on target. Yeah that workshop was where the dam broke😂

Yeah not bothered by the research. Like saying how they wake up and regret it. Like in the movies. Imagine if I had vagina or penis and somehow it magically happens. First when you have vaginoplasty it's like blown up, quite frankly it doesn't look either.

In general using word rape so non chalet doesn't sit well. I mean its lessening the actual experience of being raped.

Amazing stuff. I love you all and your honesty. I feel like big changes are coming to the trans culture, and I hope it's gonna be in good ways!

Frankie seems super dope. Enjoying the discussion.

No, it is not easier to get a corporate job when one is trans. This is ridiculous. It’s much easier to get a job as a barista.

Loved this episode. Frankie was super open. This sort of radically honest discourse is the only way we're going to convince anyone. You guys are my favorite pod atm.

"You're an autogynephile, Kyle!"

I’m not sure that female autosexuals necessarily exhibit more masculine traits early on than male autosexuals exhibit feminine traits early? Elliot Page comes to mind as someone who might have AAP but didn’t actually show very masculine traits before they began transition.

I can't find this video on the dollcast channel

Omg i am an agp and i fall in love with women and like the girl on this episode i would happily never touch her and would be happy to just be with her in person. Its romantic and obsessive and platonic and if no sex is involved i would still love her or be attracted to her

Trans is an all day, every day, real life "no win situation."

Glad to find your channel! I had many issues watching his interviews myself. Some of what he’s saying is on point but others not so much. Sasha and Stella not questioning much of it was very frustrating.

You literally described my exact experience and “gender journey” when you said that waking up from wokeness and realising that sex is dimorphous can be a powerful enough revelation to detransition, only to further realise that gender dysphoria doesn’t go away just because you’ve come to terms with the fact that you’ll never change your birth sex. It’s such a good way to put it. And now that I’ve realised that neither transition nor detransition solved my underlying gender issue, I’m like “so now what?” And in wrestling with that question I’m so grateful that I have your podcast to listen to. It really resonates with me and my ongoing gender struggles. So thank you so much for making these, and I’m exited to see what you’ll be up to in 2025 :)

I understand Aaron’s point that AGP boys don’t manifest femininity early on, and so that seem to differentiate them very clearly from homosexuals for example. At the same time, the time when AGP eventually does tip the scale and turn into outward expression of femininity seem to differ a LOT between individuals. Some in their teens, some in their 60s. So I wouldn’t consider it outside the realm of possibility that some young boys who do act feminine, instead of being “true gay” actually might perform early AGP tendencies. Simply because people are so individual.

Thank you for this Video!😊💜💜💜💜 Its all so true in my eyes. I'm a feminin male and AGP. I lived as a "woman" for many years includig bottom surgery (i regret the surgery a bit) Since a few month i detransition partially.

Lol everyone else has tmit wrong. But not y'all. Y'all have it right and are the only ones!! Sounds like religion to me.