10 Reasons Not To Buy A Fender Deluxe Tone Master

[@davidstanley6883]

The appeal of this amp is that it has limited choices. If you start adding on loads of features it just becomes another modelling amp. This is designed for people that just want to plonk a good sounding light amp on stage, whack it up and off you go. No constant tweaking. Great idea.

[@supersonicsroots]

Yes!! Thank you.

[@Phoenix_cataclysm_in_2040]

Well, this is what Mustang III actually does - zero tweaking, just choose a preset amp on a screen - and off you go, and you've got plenty to choose out of 100 presets based on famous amps - vintage Fenders, Marshalls and Voxes. It sounds great, the only drawback is that it looks so modern, can't beat the mojo of a vintage, worn out amp with glowing valves. But then those come with their own, sometimes costly issues, plus they are not cheap either, so it's kind of difficult to find a middle ground here, although this Deluxe Reverb looks like an answer to that dilemma. 🤔

[@stringlocker]

Eventually we will all learn again that simpler is better. Can't add much I agree with everything you said.

[@drummermike5150]

Yes David!! Exactly what I was thinking!

[@BasedHyperborean]

but they sound like trash the second an OD pedal gets anywhere near them.

[@billywebb4325]

I recently purchased this amp and after playing 4 gigs with it; I will never use my vintage Fender Twin Reverb again. This amp sounds amazing and the weight factor makes this a no brainer for me!

[@jamesfetherston1190]

local shop has no fewer than four 25+ year old Twin Reverbs. Those are much harder for them to sell than the DRs these days, priced a good couple hundred bucks cheaper too.

[@christophersanchez7130]

Hey Billy! Just an inquiring mind here. Would you by some chance happen to be selling your twin reverb amp?

[@gordonhuskin7337]

What does your wife's son think of the amp?

[@JWS1968]

I was in a gigging band for 20 years and the weight is something to consider. The tone of the original valve amp may well be better but I'd still go for this. The audience won't notice and other musicians probably wouldn't notice if you didn't tell them not with drums and other guitars and an audience all contributing to the noise of the room. Why put your back out. Valid point!!!

[@judehanley9980]

Amp sounds incredible. I have a 1972 deluxe reverb. Tonemaster sounds a little better. It just does. I got it used for $750. Worth every Penney.

[@elipop777]

I've had this amp for over a year and I still absolutely love it.

[@RouvenKasten]

I have had the amp for a year now. It's an unpack, turn on, play amp, it just works great, it does what it's supposed to do, it's a Digital DLX Reverb. Nothing more, but nothing less. That's why I can't understand the 10 negative points. All the other technical details would make the whole thing much more complicated again. For me, it's the best amp I've ever had.

[@ButternoteBackingTracks]

Great to hear... let's hope you're still of the same view if you experience issues in a few years! Be interesting to see how these TMs fair with longer-term maintenance and repair...?

[@chrisledrew5091]

I recently got this amp because I was sick of my tube amps always having issues. I’ve owned so many old Fenders as well as the reissues, and there is ALWAYS something going wrong with them. At this point I just want something that sounds good and won’t give me issues on a gig. I am aware that this amp can also break down, but at least there aren’t a million variables regarding HOW it can break down. There are no tubes to go bad, no trem tick to develop, no caps to dry out, etc. I’m just done with tube amp issues. This amp sounds killer. I love it.

[@u.s.a.198]

thanks for feedback.. i was curious

[@ButternoteBackingTracks]

...until you actually do have issues and wish you still had your tube amp, because it can't be repaired!

[@LincolnCountyBand-st8yn]

@@ButternoteBackingTracks Yeah, its basically a throw away amp when something goes wrong!

[@lawrenceagar6470]

@@ButternoteBackingTracks Is that common with solid state digital amps? I know everything dies eventually but as long as there aren't any power surges or it gets wet or anything else that usually destroys anything electrical, solid state digital modelling amps seem pretty robust from my experience. I did have a Roland Street Cube that I left in my car that had a leak in the roof and it dripped water on it all night and it was useless after that, however I think any amp- valve or solid state digital would have also died

[@ButternoteBackingTracks]

@@lawrenceagar6470it's not so much going wrong, it's having the option to get it repaired. The Tonemaster amps are pretty much all chip based processors, so I imagine if that goes, it's an expensive replacement. Fender are a bit vague about it too, which isn't reassuring! 😊

[@eezar21]

I bought one of these 9 months ago and I have since sold all my other amps. As a utility for gigging and recording it has been amazing. I would love a headphone jack, but I can do that running it through my interface

[@sixslinger9951]

yes, there are ways around everything. a headphone jack or effects loop is NOT a deal breaker at all for me. just run the damn effects trough the front like everyone used too...... they sound just as good.

[@eezar21]

@@sixslinger9951 I agree, I have never used an effect loops...too many cables :)

[@warrenharman3435]

I own the Deluxe Tonemaster and did the update with the clipped bright. Love the sound of it. As a gigging professional, this amp fits my needs perfectly. My concern is when playing outdoors in high winds. I’m afraid it will blow away! The attenuation and weight sold me on this. Love the channel. Great pros and cons on this one. Nailed it. Know your gear!

[@Phoenix_cataclysm_in_2040]

Throw in a couple or more of medium sizes dumbell plates. They'll keep your amp in place.

[@lavalizard1]

I love my TM/DR - best gigging and recording amp I’ve ever used. As a gigging musician the portability and ability to run a direct out to front of house is spectacular. I like that Fender isn’t trying to make the TM an all in one like a Mustang or Champ. I actually prefer the fact that it doesn’t allow things like custom IR’s etc. To each their own.

[@fluorophoremusic3679]

But bro...it's $1000 new for a mass produced digital amplifier? I don't understand the price point. Twin Reverbs exist on the used market *the real deal* for hundreds less? I don't care how heavy it is dude...I'm not 80 years old. Jeez, the only weight difference I notice is my wallet if I'm wiling to shell out over a grand for brand new gear that is literally a digital copy of the real deal. Don't get me wrong, these amps sound great!...that's what people misunderstand about my sentiment...I think these tonemaster amps sound good. I don't think they should be anywhere near over $500. There are other companies making digital modeling amps of higher wattage, that sound great...for far cheaper. And, there are several brands making all-tube higher watt amps for less than this. Say what you want about Bugera...they make a V22 combo for half the price of this and it's all valve. They make a 150W plexi head for 600$. Orange makes all tube amps for half the price. They make solid state amps that are arguably better for half the price. There are several tube amplifiers on the market that are less.

[@coppulor6500]

@@fluorophoremusic3679 agreed. its cool but not worth more than $500 to me, maybe if it really felt great and sounded good enough in person.

[@lavalizard1]

@@fluorophoremusic3679 - I don’t disagree. But the direct XLR line out, 1/4 of the weight for quick gig setups / tear downs, plus its ability to maintain the MASSIVE twin sound are all features I value. The moment we’re inspired in the studio I run and XLR into the interface through the built in IR’s and we’re recording. No more mic placements / fiddling - just play and record. I’m digging it. Don’t get me wrong - I dug my tube amps but I don’t feel like I’m compromising anything… I’ve never felt like I’m missing out.

[@Jonathan-L]

@@fluorophoremusic3679 The new Fender Tone Master Princeton is now priced well above what I paid for the tube re-issue model when I bought it back in 2009. The Fender Tone Master Princeton is a great amp, theoretically reliable, doesn't need biasing, won't go 'microphonic', but as you say it's way too pricey.

[@fluorophoremusic3679]

@@Jonathan-L making good points here. How often do you think tube amps should be serviced?

[@lance134679]

I've had the Twin version for about a year, which I bought specifically for gigging, but since gigs dried up, I've come to appreciate how great it is for both practicing and recording. I have a hand-wired Deluxe Reverb clone and custom shop '57 Twin-amp, and I think the TM Twin holds its own with those other amps. One of my favourite things is being able to scale the power down and run the volume on 10 - it's a special kind of overdrive. Also, running a boost into it works well with its high headroom and really pushes it into classic rock overdrive territory.

[@kolchak357]

I think at $500 it would be a lot easier to ignore the 10 negatives.

[@napomania]

Too much money

[@gordonhuskin7337]

@@napomania for 500 you can get a vintage silverface fender. point to point handwired

[@kimmolingonheimo]

I bought a Fender Stage 100 mint for 130€s, orig. American parts, warm sound, no sound card/CREDIT CARD!, no usb..........takes coupla peds..., to buy an over 1000€ amp with computer stuffage is just plain silly, I mean you can get into Katana territory fo less..., AND why dont they make them them TONe Masters even lighter by cutting out the middleman: the speaker if theyre anyways offering a creamback by an app??? REALLY sounds like too f many variables in the 1000$ game here, no wonder people head for Kempers n stuff ( 1600$) , but I dont dig their tone... : ) K

[@LaBriqueMasque]

@@gordonhuskin7337 yes, but in France he cost 1200$ 😕

[@gordonhuskin7337]

@Frankly Speaking like what; buying new tubes? lol. Those things are built like tanks. There's a reason why 40 years later they're still working fine. If you bought one with problems that's on you dawg. I've never had a single problem with any of my vintage amps

[@mikedr1549]

I've had mine for about a year now and I 100% love it more now than when I brought it home. I feel like it sounds better now in fact. Super happy with it.

[@adZwhole70]

Phil; My Tone Master Deluxe Reverb showed up Monday. Blonde / Oxblood I watched your 10/10 on your feelings on the amp tonight and saw you had some legit complaints. I am just an old church strummer that loves new stuff and I love this rig!!

[@michaelwaterbury132]

I've been gigging with this amp twice a week for four months and I love it. The tone is great. The light weight is a huge plus.

[@rogersonger4454]

I own one and love it-especially after uploading the upgrades available on Fender’s website. I would love to see you review the twin!

[@kenk7049]

I bought the Deluxe TM and I'm happy with it. It's lightweight and sounds good to me. My heavy amp days are over. Attenuator is great also. I also use a Origin Effects Revival Drive to get close to a Marshall sound.

[@ScottMedinaX]

I appreciate you Phil. You are the only one being honest about this amp. All of the other reviewers are obviously paid to be positive only.

[@rickeaton3085]

I don't agree with that. Phil is great but there are other KZbin personalities being straight up and are not getting paid. There is plenty to impress coming from these Tone Masters.

[@ScottMedinaX]

@@rickeaton3085 Fair enough. How about I put it this way. In my experience with approximately 20 main stream guitar gear reviewer/influencer channels that I follow, I haven't heard any of the other channels mention the downsides that come with this amp. Phil provides an honest assessment of the gear he reviews. Change my mind.

[@rickeaton3085]

@@ScottMedinaX Nashville guitarist Zac Childs on his channel Ask Zac, talks about his personal experience with multiple tube versions. A separate video on this one and a follow up on the Blonde. Keith Williams on 5 Watt World isn't paid by anyone does a video. Both KZbin personalities not paid to promote it. Both being honest. Just pointing out that your original statement was unfair to some KZbin personalities and a blanket statement. Not trying to sell amps or promote people on KZbin.

[@jimwoodard64]

I have had one since early. Great amp, does what it’s supposed to and isn’t trying to be everything to everyone. Good review.

[@Youknowood]

i used to play lead at a church, they had an original fender reverb 65, it was so amazing when they pulled it out and said" use this i guess🤷‍♂️" my jaw dropped

[@jmeds_jammin]

There are still some hidden gems hiding in closets. Just a lot harder to find these days

[@GigginDude]

Did anybody notice that when Phil was talking about the mid scoop and he put his hands up in the shape of a V he scooped his own mids on the audio ?

[@dgmwitz]

mesa boogie fans are moaning right now

[@chriskellervxstudios]

It’s the little details. Love it

[@turamvar]

I thought there was something off with my speaker :D

[@UCS0608]

I did! It made me laugh!! Great review, btw!!

[@songwriterjj6022]

I think that was because his hands were right in front of his face as he was talking.

[@chopper4484]

Thanks Phil I was looking at this amp but I think the negatives outweigh the positives. No headphone jack and no effects loop is just weird. Out of warranty not having support is a no deal for me.

[@PHutch877]

I've had my TMDR for a year and a half, I did the firmware reverb modification first because I was playing country, and it makes it much more controllable, less surfy but still rich and lush, and later I did the clipped cap mod. At the age of 72 and still gigging, this is a fantastic amplifier, and I've been using Fender tube amps since I was 12. As far as mid-range control, the twin has it, and for the DR it's just rolling off the highs and lows to let the mid come up with the volume, just like my DRRI, PRRI and CVR. And it's a high quality, rugged Fender amp. That's why it costs. It's highly unlikely that it's going to break. And they're probably not going to bring out a V2 really soon because it's well engineered, but they might make some more firmware upgrades, I suspect the two channel Reverb and tremolo mod is in the works or already on the shelf. If they make a 35lb. tonemaster Super Reverb, I will get one in a heartbeat. As soon as gigging opens back up, I'm thinking about trading in my CVR on a TMTR. If I'm recording and desperately need a real tube sound, I'll use a Vibro Champ, but for live performance, who needs to carry all that weight? Especially if it's going to go through mics and into a digital PA anyway, the TM output is going to deliver better.

[@j.hammer573]

Thorough review. I appreciate these type of videos. I wanted love this amp. But, I sold my TM because it didn’t take fuzz pedals well. I bought a Roland Blues Cube with a Sparkle Clean tone capsule. It’s the best solid state amp I’ve ever played. It’s now my everyday amp.

[@j.hammer573]

@ghost mall You are correct. I bought the amp new when they came out in 2018 or 2019 but it was upon their introduction. During the months I owned the TM, the Firmware did not exist. I sold it. Later, I saw the Blonde version had the new software in it. Or, to your point, one could update 1st version. I’m glad to read you’re not having those issues. Good to know they’ve addressed the problem.

[@tomcaron9113]

Bought it used to reduce the hit. Playing over 50 years. I love it.

[@projekt1824]

I played one for a week or so and really enjoyed the sounds. Two things held me back from buying: the cost; and knowing in a year or less an even better version will emerge... I ended up getting a deal on a used Princeton.

[@antoonhermans8953]

there are free firmware updates for this amp .

[@billyshears6622]

The best feature IMO, was the attenuator feature. It sounded fantastic to me, as in better than other digital amps with similar features. I don't know why but that stood out when I tried it.

[@dwalks637]

Honesty is alway appreciated. Thank you for helping me wade my way through the sea of digital offerings..

[@PaulSter]

Terrific review Phillip. You're so on the money. I've had mine for about a year now. Lots of amps over the years. Got a '65 RI Super Reverb, even though I already had (and still have) a '68 Super Reverb that is just, ummmm. SPLENDID. That's what was thinking. Also have various Marshall, PRS "30", vintage Egnater TOL50, blah blah blah. Just wanted to give some perspective. I too, bought my Dlx after being fooled almost every time I heard an A-B Tonemaster against the the real thing. Contrary to popular belief, the Dlx Tonemaster is not going after the '65 RI, it's going after the real thing. For cleans, overdriven, reverb, and tremolo, I find it to be excellent. Not all the way there, but fantastic for grab and go stuff, as well as the obvious living room/bedroom amp. Fender really pumped up the dominant characteristics of the original. I do hear fizziness with some of my pedals. Had I to do it over again? I'd get the RI. But that's me being stupid picky. It's really a nice sounding amp and I'm not unhappy with mine all things considered. What I think I need for it, per Phillip's comment/recommendation, is an eq pedal. In fact, I'm headed to Reverb right now to get me one! Phillip, got a discount code for me? 🤠

[@MichaelBartlettGuitar]

I absolutely love mine. I own the TM Twin and the Deluxe. They give me everything I need in a lightweight gigging and recording solution. The boutique tube and SS amps I own sit in a closet now attracting oxidization along with my Kemper Stage. The direct out cabinet sim gives my sound in every situation. I can see why some may hesitate due to price, the underlying technology, or that their needs are vastly different from mine but it's all pro's and no con's for me.

[@jamesf2918]

I don’t even care what’s in this video, I just love the title so much. It’s a wrench in the gears of all of these gear KZbin channels And I’m sorry, but being made in China and still being that expensive is a complete dealbreaker. I feel the same way about the PRS stuff and I’m a PRS owner.

[@dancrowe7860]

Agreed. You can still find Quilter USA heads for a real bargain. It's one amp I regret selling, as it was light, but sounded great. But, I still won't pay $1K for an import amp that isn't handwired. Heck, the 4-watt Vox is around $800.....

[@HeviNova]

I have the blonde it's great 0 issues. the bass and treble controls also control the way the mid range acts.

[@alecmullaney7957]

That's bogus

[@jimmy5634]

I just bought a new floor model in perfect condition and full warranty for $799. It’s not an exact clone of the ‘65 re-issue, but it’s very, very close. It has plenty of power That attenuator is the cat’s meow and having a line out is wonderful. I play in an acoustic duet, but I do some electric fills with a Tele or a Strat. The venues we perform in don’t require a ton of volume. This amp is perfect for what we do.

[@bobbyfields7359]

Sooo many times you just lay it down like it is! I’ve watched so many reviews of the Tone Master that I was thinking there’s no way there’s 10 reasons not to buy! Great Job Bro!

[@CheddarKungPao]

Great review Phil! Lots of points I hadn't heard before.

[@cvs1539]

Excellent review - well balanced/ honest review. I wish I had seen this video before I made my purchase about a month ago. So far I am very happy with the tone of the amp (even if the mids are scooped a bit - I can fix with a pedal if necessary) and how it takes pedals. I really wish that it had an effects loop, but I knew that before I purchased the amp. I wanted the amp because of its attenuation capability, and I am very happy now having 5 different "wattage" levels. All in all I am very happy with the amp and how it compares tone wise to my tube amps.

[@rickhill6277]

Hi Phil, Great Review! I’m 68 and still Giging in two Bands. I did my Touring years ago and now I just do Local Gigs (with some exceptions) and Studio work. I have both V1 Tone Master Twin and the Deluxe and can’t say enough Positive things about both! I understand they only have a Two Year Warranty but I’ve already contacted a Tech who works on them if needed. I did this Before purchasing them from Sweetwater. I’ve been using them for a while now and have had no problems running pedals including a Boss Equalizer in Front of both Amps. No excess noise on either, in fact both of mine are very quiet. Thanks for the info though, it gives others things to consider before making their purchase. Cheers from Salem, Ohio.

[@hardac7943]

I bought a used crate G40xl an foot switch for about 120 shipped . I had to get them separately but it works for me. Why so cheap like most of my used gear it needed maintenance quick pot cleaning an good to go. I do things on a less then shoestring budget new would be nice top shelf even better but if it works it works. I want to thank all of those out there that upgrade an put their old used gear back in circulation. I wouldn't be where I am if it wasn't for you guys. Thanks

[@aaronpeacock8572]

I got the blonde version. I liked the sound better, then I realized you can switch between them via USB. I really love the amp and I think it does a great job at getting that Fender tone. I do have a few gripes, all of them are mentioned in this video. Overall I think it's a great amp... really love that attenuator

[@MusicdocMT]

Nicely done sir - I got the Cream tone master Back in November I love it!! works great both live and in the studio ... The right tool for the right job - KYG 🤘🏽🤠🎸

[@musicmatty67]

Digital is where it’s at and where it has been for the last 10 years in my opinion. Fender came out with a great digital amp 10 years ago called the mustang. I purchased the Mustang IV (2. 12in Celestion 80watt speakers) …I still have this amp today…and going strong. This first generation mustang is still an amazing amp with all its onboard effects and big sound. I can honestly say it’s the best amp I’ve ever played. Those amps have been a huge success and cash cow for fender. I guess fender realized that they could ride the success to the next level by taking their most popular legendary amps and making them digital carrying the same name badge. If anyone has noticed, Fender does use quality speakers in these digital amps. If the digital processors ever go out in these amps, you can always use these amps as a speaker cab For a power amp to sit on top.

[@timaves1504]

I’ve had one of these for more than a year now and l love it! I have bad knees and love the weight. The power switch has been a godsend this past year of lockdowns - one of the things that kept me sane and stopped the neighbours going to war with me! I did have concerns about the durability/repairability, which is why l waited until l found a used one for a better price (£650 UK, as opposed to £800+ new). For the same reason most of us haven’t been gigging, l’ve only used it twice with a band - it coped really well - so it’s too soon to say how it will last. It sounds great - just like a good Fender amp (l have eight others of various sizes and vintages) - and even works well for harmonica with a bullet mic. Well done, Fender!

[@sixstringfrenzy238]

Phil McKnight is on! Time to pay attention!

[@SlowerIsFaster139]

It sounds really nice. Im a metal head but I still appreciate a nice clean tone

[@BigSifu67]

I've had one for about a month, great amp! I channel jump it to bypass the bright cap. Old school...

[@gregriddle3042]

I do the same thing!

[@shauncarter924]

Man. Usually I just plug in and twist some knobs and play. Either I like it or I don’t. I never really considered most of these points Phil makes. Maybe I’m not smart enough. LOL. Good work Phil.

[@5000rgb]

Most people can't fully get to know a piece of gear in the store. I'm usually happy with my purchases but in the store it's more "I know this thing will do something I like" then truly knowing what I'm getting.

[@jakollee]

Thanks for a thorough honest review, pointing out the pluses and minuses of this amp.

[@mattbrillhart2922]

Sorry, at this price point and with some of the missing features I would want, I’d repurchase a champion 40 and put an upgraded speaker in it...

[@rstuartcpa]

I have a Champion 100 and love it. It serves the purpose of a light weight decent sounding amp to take to a jam or open mic without worry or breaking your back.

[@sonoransurfer1434]

I think these ToneMaster amps are great! The Deluxe Reverb is very convincing, the weight is light, the power attennuator is great, the IR direct out is great!

[@patrickt4095]

I ended up going with the Quilter Aviator Cub - a truly amazing amp! Thank you, Phil! So glad I watched your video first!

[@cooperyorksmusic3865]

I got the twin reverb tone master blonde and it’s amazing in my opinion

[@algorithm007ify]

That's the best version.

[@xldsyt]

Same here. Absolutely the most inspiring amp I've owned...and I've owned more than anyone has a right to.

[@icenic_wolf]

That was a surprising list of "areas with room for improvement", for 2021. Thanks for putting it together! I know it's probably not supposed to be a competing product with this, but: PRS MT15 and a budget 1x12 cab seem like they'd do a better job for what I'm interested in. Thanks!

[@UCS0608]

This review is a pleasure to watch! Straight and useful information, no hypes, no bandanas and no "look what I can play on my guitar with dropped-D"-stuff ! I like that!

[@johnsmith-sm6mh]

Great upload and well said on all points. I challenged the store i purchased mine from in the Warranty situation and they couldn’t really make me feel secure about it, you have techs who can work on Valve amps whatever issues it may have, with these i feel like you mentioned you could be stuck with an expensive amp that doesn’t work !!!! 😏 Sold mine and going to buy a used Valve one for less money. Cheers Phil 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@johndonaldson9905]

In Phil we trust

[@rick381v69]

The fact that it's an expensive digital amp is a deal breaker. You'll always be able to get a regular valve amp repaired

[@bluesrocker91]

That's the thing that's putting me off too... I know for a fact that most techs won't service digital amps. They'll deal with valve and solid state gear all day, but digital signal processing is a whole different beast, and not something you can just fix with a soldering iron and multimeter. If they were half the price they might be worth it... But to invest nearly £1000 into an amp you can't get serviced is foolish and bound to end in tears.

[@ericwring6758]

@@bluesrocker91 In my area amp repair Is slim to none. Hard to find anyone who works on them. And the few that do are months out. Yes I have tube amps but I picked up the super reverb tone master and love it. I have been a tube snob for years. But when a amp goes down and I have to wait months to get it fixed well that don’t work very well. Being a tube guy myself I am definitely not disappointed in these digital amps. Actually very impressed with them. You get what you pay for. Fender has knocked it put of the park with these amps. Don’t listen to some guys ten reasons why you shouldn’t buy it. You have to go and check it out yourself.

[@bluesrocker91]

@@ericwring6758 I'm not knocking them for their tone... From what I've heard they sound fantastic. And the idea of a lightweight combo where I don't have to worry about changing valves really appeals to me... I'm just worried about what happens when that warranty expires and something goes wrong... Right now I can get my valve amps serviced by a local tech. It's expensive, but doable... I don't know if I could get this repaired in the long term, and because of that it's difficult to view this as a "forever" amp. If in ten years it's central processor burns out, it's rendered useless and I can't even sell it on.

[@sixslinger9951]

@@bluesrocker91 if you get 10 years out of it, it cost you 90 bucks a year of fun and recording , gigging etc. Prettty cheap if you ask me and I bet they last many many more years than just 10 anyway. Oh yeah, I have 2 Marshall stacks too so I love me some tubes too but the future is this.

[@bluesrocker91]

@@sixslinger9951 I would hope that's the case...

[@Smudger654]

Great review! The first time I saw this amp reviewed, my immediate thought was: great, but what a missed opportunity. So glad that someone with reputation and influence has pointed this out.

[@frankiec2765]

Hey Phil, cheers from NY! $850 + is alot of coinage for a" toy amp" that might become disposable. I wouldn't even pay what you did for the one you purchased and yes people are already taking a bath on these. GC has a plethora of used tonemasters and there is a reason for that lol. Thanks for the vid Phil!

[@gorlagOv]

The firmware update is fantastic. I love this amp.

[@gorlagOv]

@Luke I wouldn’t say it has a lack of mids before the update. I think it depends on what attenuation you are playing at. At low watt attenuation before the update, you can get some very high treble frequencies. That are not for everyone. I didn’t seem to notice it as much in higher attenuation settings. Also I have a twin not a deluxe so maybe it has a bit more mids than the deluxe. I think before the update and after they both sound great. However I personally prefer the updated sound and at lower attenuation the eq works better. Hope that helps.

[@denniscraven8438]

Great review Thank you so much for doing it. I've had my tone master for 6 months I absolutely love this amplifier. You have to know when you review amplifiers there's a lot of corksniffers out there. I'm a big picture guy and this amp is absolutely been a wonderful piece of equipment for me.

[@kevincothron5089]

I bought this amp. I love this amp. It works great for me. I do not care about an effects loop. It sounds great.

[@Bbendfender]

I was thinking about getting one of these until you mentioned the difficulty in finding a tech who can work on them if they go down. I own a '78 Deluxe Reverb and it has never failed me in well over 25 years.

[@ronj9448]

I'd say you have your answer there. If you have an amp that didn't fail you in 25 years it is in part because you don't abuse your amps. If enough people buy these amps then there will be plenty of techs ready to help you.

[@christianwalsh7082]

I’ve just bought one, wicked amp! Highly highly reccomend one (make sure you do the firmware update)

[@MaxPower-js1sk]

I hope that Fender makes those improvements, and that they make Princetons, Tweed Deluxes...I hope the make the whole range.

[@edwardbrogan7341]

In America I only hope,more expensive but I was fortunate enough to buy my reissue 65 twin reverb made in the USA!

[@flatroc1]

I bought a black one when they came out and loved it so much I went back and bought another, a blonde cabinet. I use them together with a splitter. They are excellent. Funny thing though, I've tried a few different speakers to see what would be an upgrade. None sounded as good as the stock speaker.

[@MrNeilfatmonkey]

I’ve got the twin blonde and absolutely love it. Mr McKnight makes some really great points, some of which are addressed on the blonde; the creamback speakers and the mid control specifically. I don’t think it sounds quite as digital as he suggests, especially when you’re not driving it hard. If you want a lightweight clean pedal platform amp with a great IR out for live or recording then it’s a winner.

[@scottdematteo]

I own and love the amp. I own the blonde version. I had not thought about any of your ten reasons why not to buy it, but I'd also also I honestly have no need for any of those ten items, so I am good with it as is. I think the idea of the amp is to make it feel/look just like the real thing without adding all the gimmicky and toy'esq features that usually are associated with the lesser expensive amps. Good video.

[@johnp1889]

I bought a Twin Tonemaster last year and absolutely love it! It takes pedals great, sounds like a great Twin and is light. I can use the attenuator for bedroom level playing. Just remember the Tonemasters are supposed to sound like a good version of the original. They won’t sound exactly like every original or reissue. If it sounds good, it is good.

[@mulemusic]

I had the money for either the tube or Tone Master versions, so I tried one of each side by side. I've been playing Fender amps since 1967 and I couldn't tell ANY difference in sound. At 68, with any of my Les Pauls, Strats or Teles, with my Route 66 pedal, I am a very satisfied customer. I am very impressed with TONE MASTER..

[@dennisjarosz8405]

Hey Phillip, I appreciate this video, it was very helpful. I just purchased the Blonde/cream version. I like to just plug in and go. This is a nice alternative to my tube amps and works well with my pedals. Im using an A/B pedal to toggle between normal and vibrato channel (overdrive/distortion pedals in normal). Thanks again.

[@dalepal]

Good idea to share some pros and cons that other KZbinrs probably didn’t point out.

[@kevinpatton108]

I watched several videos on this amp myself when it came out. I like the attenuator feature, but just couldn't get past what is basically a digital amp that is basically the same price as what it imitates. I ended up getting a deal on a 68 Custom Princeton.

[@picksalot1]

I heard Tim Pierce say the reason he doesn't have Combo Amps, is that for recording , is more convenient to put the Cab in a separate room where it can be cranked up so loud he can't be in the same room with it, but it gets the best tone. That way, he can have the Head nearby where he plays/records, and doesn't have to get up and go to the room where the Cab is being miked to adjust its settings.

[@cliffw2749]

I was fortunate enough to pick up a used one for under $600 and at that price I’ve been super happy with it as an easy to use digital alternative to a classic sounding tube amp. I do agree with a couple of the criticisms made in this review. The lack of a headphone out jack is annoying (although I kept my previous amp for that). Phil’s point that having a few extra hidden digital features for those that want them could have been included is a fair comment although that’s not what I was looking for myself.

[@QuoVadis88]

Ok. Boss Nextone Special. The amp that has it all. A/B amplification. Deep editing. Two real independent channels. Waza Craft Blue Bell speaker.

[@mwpv11]

Nice review. At 71 the weight is the most important thing to me next to the sound. This seems to have a great sound and weight factor I am looking for.

[@martijn_yt]

‘It still has a ‘digital’ tone to it, i call it the digital ‘chirp’, others refer to it as latency’. I always though my little red bean from line6 sounded funny, but i could never find a good word to describe it, but you nailed it ! All the amp simulations have too much latency, which makes them all sound chirpy. But if you dial back the latency, the chirp goes away almost completely.

[@MrYatesj1]

Funny a used the tone master is $800/$750 while you can get a use Tube Deluxe Reverb for 850-900 vs the $1300 new cost. So get the real deal for the same price. No upside getting the Tone Master even though it COULD be a sweet set up with the bells and whistles mentioned. Great heads up on the draw backs. Thanks!!

[@nrich5127]

Nobody wants to work on it when it breaks ? - that's the kiss of death ...

[@tatialo37]

Pretty much disposable!!! Those chips can be a pain. If I buy solid state, it's analog for me! My tech 21 tm30 crapped out but a great tech fixed it by putting in better caps!

[@frankiec2765]

And from what i understand these do have their problems. A lot of chabo for a "toy".

[@frankiec2765]

@@tatialo37 Indeed Ruben.

[@iamnoone4046]

Yeah, didn’t know that. Was 80 percent sure I was going to buy one in the next year. And now I won’t. Like you said kiss of death. Bummer, I was excited to have such a light amp, but now I ll get the real thing. It will always hold its value.

[@frankiec2765]

@@iamnoone4046 Yeah just get the real thing man. :-)

[@stirlingarcher2141]

If I owned an amp company and received a review like this I'd be pleased it gives me solid feedback & directions to think about when moving forward with either the next version of this amp, or any other similar amp in the works :-)

[@rygeldudie]

As if they dont know all of that mate :)

[@Topsy_Krett]

Terrific video, Phil. Finally, an objective, honest review. Personally, I compared a Deluxe TM to a Vibrolux Reverb at a local shop last year, and the Vibrolux was much better and more authentic than the TM. If one knows great tube tone and knows Fender amps well, there is no contest.

[@taloujazz9504]

The light weight for me is very important as I carry it often. I play mainly clean tone so the sound is similar to the the true one, just great. It looks right . The attenuator is useful

[@MrZardoz777]

As expected, the best real-world review I've come across. Frankly it's just plain annoying that Fender chooses to withhold features that cost pennies to produce, much like what you call the "million dollar colours." Great video!

[@JGlassy]

Great review. I’d love to see Phil compare this Tonemaster to a Boss Katana or equivalent.

[@TrentSolo]

If you want to deal with the scooped mids- just buy a Joyo American Sound pedal, crank mids to taste and put it last in the chain before the input. Yes it has a speaker sim that cant be defeated (unlike like the original Tech 21 Blonde it clones) but it actually makes the amp sound warmer. Better than an EQ. This makes a eorld of difference for how it takes pedals also. Try this I am very convinced you will be happy w the results!

[@billyshears6622]

This is the most/ONLY honest review of this product I've seen, and I've seen MANY! Your criticisms are the same as mine. I'm waiting for V2 when they likely add these features.

[@markdakel9253]

Very honest and Straightforward review, and it is extremely appreciated

[@ryanmetzger2995]

Great review, I will say I don’t expect an updated version to include some of these updates. I believe they are not mistakes or misses but specific choices to exclude some modern digital amp type options. I think they tried really hard to make this like the amp it imitates. My guess is they leave the effects loops and other more modern touches to the mustang and others and while they will update some sounds my guess is the amp remains as close to the original as they can.

[@geldner]

It's not usually the tubes you have to worry about on tube amps. It's the capacitors driving those higher voltages. On digital stuff it's, well, everything except the cab and the speaker.

[@NFMorley]

Thank you for the honest review Phil - I've been seriously thinking about one of these rather than picking up a Fender Princeton, but the 2 year warranty is a deal breaker for me as while I don't doubt the quality, getting it repaired could become a nightmare (and I'm fine with tube maintenance anyway).

[@Hulkhoagie1]

I've been waiting for this video. I own this amp. It's not perfect but overall I have enjoyed it. It works well for me living in an apartment. One of my concerns is wondering how it will hold up in the long run. Also, I was bummed to find out Fender has discontinued both tht head and combo Superchamp X2. I will miss that one.

[@ferramirez4570]

That's a really expensive good looking Fender Champion with less features of course.

[@chrisullery3386]

I have the champion and being disabled on a fixed income it's perfect for me.

[@shawnreed9016]

I have the Tonemaster Twin and I picked it up brand new for $750. I think it’s an awesome amp. To my ears it sounds just like the 65. Now if played back to back with 65 Reissue there is a slight difference in sound but not enough to make you go hey that’s a copy. Just my two cents. I am hoping they will do a 68 Custom in the future. I am definitely completely satisfied with my Tonemaster Twin. 🤠🎸🤘

[@tns4421]

Excellent point about the 2 year etc service but we know that most players loose this within a week when we start messing around with speakers, mods and extra buttons/functions!!!

[@JacobH93]

For me, I think I’d rather just spend a little more and have the regular reissue. With all of those two notes products and similar products you can add a lot of functionality to tube amps and that’s really exciting to me! Granted it is a much more expensive option altogether but I think I’d be happier in the long run. That’s just me though! If I wanted something digital I’d probably go for a product more like iridium personally. I’m glad these are being made though!

[@THE-zv7vj]

the tube amp doesnt even come close to these tone masters for sound and convience.. If i took the badge off and you played it you would never know.. most artists were shocked to know it wasnt ..

[@earthsteward9]

If Fender is smart they are taking notes for the next upgrade. If they are dumb they are taking notes for their lawyers

[@donalddixon5811]

I really wouldn't be surprised if they intentionally left features off so they can come out with the upgraded model later. Much like the first iPad which didn't come with a camera.

[@jimtinter5569]

Excellent review: to the point, concise, and you don't try to be a comedian! Also, your playing examples are brief and just long enough to make your point. Thanks for excellent work!

[@marcenglish3979]

Phil, I just bought this amp but I think you’re number five reason for not to buy regarding after the two year warranty if something goes wrong with it you’re basically screwed because nobody will work on it literally has me going I should just take this back and get the tube version of this …can you please expound on that because honestly that’s a bold statement and I don’t think anybody would buy this if after two years something happened to it they were screwed and couldn’t get it fixed anywhere. Much appreciated thanks, Marc

[@wildcard33]

The amp sounds fantastic and doesn't break my back.

[@Topsy_Krett]

The weight is a fact but the sound... a matter of opinion, which ain't mine.

[@bigwavedave8492]

Thanks man I was waiting for you to cover this amp

[@chuckwolfboyer7830]

I USED THE AMP WITH MY PEDAL STEEL MY FENDER STRAT MY TELE AND MY 1952 FENDER PRO STEEL GUITAR I LIKE IT VERY MUCH ! AND I DONT HAVE TO HAVE A FORK LEFT TO MOVE IT

[@WearsaFedora]

I have an original Cyber Twin. Those were $1100.00 or so new. One day it wouldn't boot up. Took it to a fender amp tech, he called Fender, they said the main board was shot and couldn't be repaired. No parts available. So now i have a speaker cabinet!! A thousand dollar amp that can't be fixed! Makes no sense. No longer a fan of digital amps. At least you can repair tube amps.