Fender ’65 Deluxe Reverb Or Tone Master? - That Pedal Show

[@Mrfivefivefive]

The perfect time for a pedal channel to use an A/B pedal but here we are plugging and unplugging lol

[@guitarfreak585]

Pretty sure the gigrig will switch amps too lol

[@mranalog241]

You only watched the first 10 minutes lol

[@JensenSpeakersVideos]

Thank you Mick and Dan, as usual for a great ind informative video. Hope you don't mind if I chime in with some considerations about the two speakers that are in these amps: A Jensen C12K in the '65, and a Jensen N12K in the TM. The key difference between them is the magnet: Ceramic for the C12K, Neodymium for the N12K, thus half the weight! Fender gave us the mission to develop a Neo version of the C12K, to sound and feel virtually indistinguishable from the original Ceramic speaker. Not an easy task, but eventually we did it: the two speakers have a nearly identical frequency response curve and dynamic response feel. Yes, the Neo, for its nature, behaves a little different from the Ceramic. It actually behaves closer to an AlNiCo than to a Ceramic, so we tweaked other parameters to assimilate the two to the max possible. If you would take one of the two amps and switch the two speakers back and forth, from the C12K to the N12K, you'll be have a pretty hard time to tell one from the other. So, finally, if you heard one amp more mid-focused and one brighter and more scooped... it's not the Neodymium speaker that makes that difference, and you proved it when plugging both into the WGS loaded cab. Hope this adds one small piece of information to the whole picture... In case you'd want more info... let me know! Cheers from Ignazio Vagnone / Jensen Speakers.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Ignazio - Thanks man, good to hear from you. We need to talk about our Super Reverb. :0) Gotta say, when we get around to doing the VCQ on this one I’ll be saying more positive things about Neo speakers than I ever have yet. Mick here. No problems with mic’ing this one!

[@shawnmcvey7789]

Hey Jensen, I hate to break it to you but your Blackbird speaker is too good. I really want to put 4 in an old Fender 4x12, but bills and my other 4x12 keep telling me it's not time yet 😭

[@jwlademann]

I have a couple of Tornado Stealth 65s in my JCM 800 2x12 combo to avoid the previous requirement for a crane to lift the thing, don't feel like I'm missing out any, except maybe a few herniated discs.

[@shawnmcvey7789]

@@jwlademann I've found if you go nuts helping your drummer they have to help you with your amp🤣

[@JensenSpeakersVideos]

@@shawnmcvey7789 we're so pleased to hear how much you like the Blackbird! Take yr time, save for your bills, and it'll come the time for a mighty 4x12 with'em!

[@vw9659]

Forget the amps. I want the Fender coffee table !

[@astewart9410]

I noticed that too, really cool thing.

[@sixtyaffairs]

There is one on Reverb . Fender Coffee Table . 200 $

[@JS-nf1sn]

Cool table, but it looks like a broken toe to me.

[@gerryjamesedwards1227]

@@JS-nf1sn I see your point! I wouldn't have thought of that UNTIL I broke my toe.

[@cchavez248]

@@JS-nf1sn Agreed, I would end up with that table leg wedged between my toes!

[@markdavidofficial4274]

Okay, so I’ll try to be as objective as I can. I’m a musician who does use digital amps and live amps for recording so I’m not really an amp snob. The Tonemaster is so much more practical, being: 1. Lighter 2. Having a DI out 3. Having control over how many watts you want 4. Sounding really good But The tube Deluxe reverb is my favorite clean amp, and nothing is going to come close to beating it. It just so much better. And it’s like comparing a 7-8/10 to a 10/10 If the tonemaster was like 350-400, maybe it would make me buy it, but 750$ brand new is too much. You can get a used deluxe reverb for that price. For the practical musician, the tone master will work, but it won’t beat a real one.

[@freto_cognito9001]

Well put!

[@markjohnson1020]

Same.

[@Brucaleeffo]

where the hell can you find a 750$ used deluxe reverb???

[@markjohnson1020]

@@Brucaleeffo eBay

[@matthouston8411]

@@Brucaleeffo plus shipping and tax

[@geneahart5607]

Thank you for not trying to be comedians and concentrating on the task at hand, very helpful.

[@tgdkls5891]

Absolutely love that you did this one and ESPECIALLY that you included the home volume scenario. No complaints that you don't do this routinely - I get it - but it's fantastic when you do, cos so applicable to how so many people spend so much of their guitar time. Thanks!

[@JazzmasterJonny]

I currently have the Twin version of the Tonemaster. It is not the same as my Deluxe Reverb or some of my other tube amps, but as a reliable gigging, practice , and silent recording amp at night when the family is in bed, the Tonemaster is pretty amazing. I do think Fender should keep relentlessly pursuing a sound that is closer to the tube counterpart, especially in the midrange and headroom found in the real tube amps. Still, can you believe that digital amps sound this good and are so easy to record with? I did a little recording thing with someone the other night where we just decided to lay down ideas with the cab sim xlr out on the Tonemaster. It sounds sick. We are not starved for tone. Just spoiled with options.

[@MrTupeloFlash]

True Words

[@ILuvJazzNJava]

Jealous - the Twin is the one I want.

[@cavanray5327]

Does it compare to roland and the tweed tone of the blues cube?

[@Zilegil]

@@LeviBulger there’s no reason to own one? Besides over doubling the price when you take into account the money you need to buy new valves? Ofc the £1200 amp is gonna sound better than the £600 pound amp 🤷‍♂️

[@corneliuscrewe677]

I just got the Deluxe Tone Master 5 days ago, I’m super happy with it. I had a Silverface Twin Reverb years ago, and I loved it, but it was too loud and too heavy to be useful in any way. Obviously the Deluxe (either tube or digital) is not supposed to sound like the Twin, but this Tone Master is as close to the sound AND feel of that old LOUD Twin I’ve ever gotten since I traded it for a Les Paul. It handles all my overdrive pedals extremely well for any style I want to play. I am REALLY curious about the Twin TM, now, but I’m not going to be able to swing that for a while. I don’t see these Tone Masters replacing tube amps, but they are a very useful tool to add to the tool box. I’m loving mine.

[@karllongbottomguitars9192]

Let's see which one we're going to buy ? I've more chance of biting my arse than you two buying a digital amp !!!!

[@karllongbottomguitars9192]

@H Kay its a saying that I've stolen from my brother

[@MathewsGuitarWorks]

😂

[@tomz1989]

Your surname for sure makes it even harder

[@karllongbottomguitars9192]

@@tomz1989 hahahaha

[@sharonlee4773]

I bit my arse once.But then,I was on mushrooms at the time...................

[@ncurri]

This is a real classic. The enthusiasm you bring to putting these amps through their paces and really trying to give the tone master a fair shake is infectious and entertaining. Well done.

[@David_analogue10]

This is probably my favourite TPS episode ever. I like it as much as much for the process as the content - watching these two gentlemen - vastly more experienced than I - investigate a comparison, not only gives me a bit but teaches me how to cast a net, as it were. Well done chaps.

[@gunkanjima3408]

The pursuit of the perfect tone and gear is half the fun.

[@lance134679]

I have a hand-wired Deluxe Reverb Clone built by an amp tech friend (my favourite amp), and a Tone Master Twin that I bought for gigs so that I could keep my tube amps at home for recording and practicing. It has worked out very well - the TM Twin sounds great and is the perfect amp for any gig with the low weight, attenuator and speaker-emulatated direct out. I actually use it a lot for practicing as well because I can leave it on all day without worry of wearing out tubes and I turn the attentuator all the way down. At this point, the Tone Master is just another one of my amps with a few conveniences though it can't be used to heat my room :-) As for the comparison, both amps sound great to me in the video, though quite different.

[@nathanguilford2387]

Thanks very much. Finally- a high audio quality comparison of these amps where the presenter isn't trying to sell the Tonemaster!

[@ThatPedalShow]

Welcome to That Pedal Show! :0)

[@jakeisonhere]

I used to have a deluxe and I briefly had the tonemaster when they came out. I was very impressed with how far the modelling had come and I think Fender have created a great product but I couldn't make it work for me as much as I wanted to... Meanwhile... Princeton Reissue arrived yesterday and I am LOVING it! Cheers from Australia!

[@cchavez248]

I hope they put out a tonemaster brownface princeton at a reasonable price! If they use the same processing power they used on these but aimed it toward nailing the overdrive and tremolo on the brown princeton, fender wouldn't be able to make enough of them to keep up with demand. Fender, don't drop the ball, dammitt!🤘😎🤘

[@alanohagan6999]

JakeFJ Princeton - Awesome 😎

[@goswo]

Alan Ohagan or go a bit further in same direction = Morgan PR12 :-)

[@gregs8685]

Did you get the ‘65 or ‘68 Custom Princeton? I just picked up the LE version of the ‘68 Custom with a Celestion Greenback. It is fantastic.

[@dylandenney3980]

The '65 Princeton is epic. My local shop has a hot rod deluxe, a blues junior, an AC 30 and several other great amps. The Princeton is probably the most played amp in the shop.

[@JARonin]

I have the Tonemaster, it is the most wonderful gigging amp. I run an always on Super Sweet first, then a few effects. Pushing air at stage volume with a band, there is no player who would not be thrilled with the tone, Fender did an amazing job with the amp. And the lightweight + reliability is unreal. For a working man’s rig, I am really happy, and I will not go back to tubes. I love the original Deluxe also, but the Tonemaster is the better amp for me.

[@lifeonmars99]

I’m sure the punters cannot know the difference and no slipped discs for you. A winner all round.

[@sharonlee4773]

Fair nuff but you may be a little premature on the reliabity bit?

[@sharonlee4773]

@Luke I guess you must be from the future then!

[@sharonlee4773]

@Luke I'm not saying because they're Digital they wont last! Im saying they are built to a price and are even cheaper than Fenders PCB amps and they dont last very well.

[@sharonlee4773]

@Luke usually yeah.

[@bunnytobin]

Wow the most telling and decisive look at these amps I've heard yet. I want to want one of these tone masters, but the anemic nature of it next to the actual tube amp is clearly evident here. Thank you!

[@TheDilligan]

I suggest you try them in person. They range from being kinda different from the tube amp and 100% identical. And it's really just because every single tonemaster amp sounds identical, but every tube amp sounds quite different. I own the Tonemaster and love it. I also try comparing with the tube counterparts anytime I see them next to each other at a store. The tonemaster always sounds like mine and the tube version always sounds different. Most of the tube ones, especially if they are used, sound a bit less pristine. Like they are noisier, have more mid range, and the attack is softer. Which is something that can be preferred. But some of them have a sharper attack and are more scooped and sound very clean, just like the tonemaster. Clearly the latter was Fender's preference when deciding which Tube deluxe to base the tonemaster on. But I love the tonemaster. I play with my amp cranked to 10 at midnight in my apartment without bothering neighbors because of the attenuator. Getting the tone I want at any volume is so great. The fact that it weighs about 20 pounds is amazing. And Recording direct with it is a dream. If I need to record an Idea quickly, I just throw in an XLR cable and that's it. Don't need to set up a mic or worry about my recording volume.

[@bunnytobin]

@@TheDilligan Thanks man. I agree these things have come a LOOOOOOOOONG way, and that almost every Twin I have ever plugged into sounds very different. I did go play one and it did sound great, in isolation. The only way to truly tell for me would be in a full band full volume situation to see how it sits with the rest of the band. I also kinda thought it sounded very much like the Quilter amps that I'd played that sounded great on their own but then when put next to an actual tube you could really pick out the false extra low end and over sparkley highs. If only they'd built in a more hp/lp eq like the tube versions just do naturally. One of these days!

[@jarmoleponiemi1943]

Hi, Brendan! Updating the firmware to 'Blonde' (no speaker swap!) made a HUGE difference. See my post above (12/2021). I was initially quite disappointed but now the TM has become my go to amp as it sounds really good and is light as *%ll. Also fun to see peoples reactions when I show there's no tubes. Cheers!

[@petemartinmusic]

The tonemaster sounds great, there's no doubt there and to the average pub/club punter probably the same. But on studio monitors with a direct A/B comparison, they're worlds apart. I would totally buy the tonemaster if I was gigging every night with no roadies but for a studio it'd be the real deal all day long

[@piotrtrypus]

100% right :)

[@ProSimex84]

This is the way

[@matsumoku1]

My thoughts exactly, but why the high price tag then? Poor gigging musicians deseve a tonemaster in the 500 range. Methinks some kind of greed involved here. Vox put out it's nighttrain, a 30W tube head and celestion speaker cab for 500. No excuse for pricing a modelling amp at 900.

[@volfgankamei5348]

I'm not a native english speaker so my english are limited. Can someone explain to me what he's trying to say in a simple word. Thanks.

[@DeadHandBlues]

I totally agree, but the price is an absolute joke. I bought the Mustang LT50 which is basically 1 thousand dollars cheaper here in Aus. It has a line out to run to the desk, and you can get some really awesome tones from it plus it has all the effects built in.

[@davedavem]

I always test drive cars with a blindfold on. It's the only way you get a fair comparison.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Hahahahah

[@LorSTApunk07]

Hooah!

[@davedavem]

@@LorSTApunk07 Al? That you?

[@davidhovey5152]

Stevie Wonder test driving a Cameo vs. a Tesla?

[@davedavem]

@@davidhovey5152 If he can play keyboards, bass, drums and sing all on the same track, then I'm pretty sure he can drive! :D

[@forceuser9356]

I’m so happy you chose the DRRI!! I took a gamble this summer while waiting for my Strat from the custom shop and took one home. It was my first tube amp, after playing a little mustang I for many years. My life has changed. You are right, I’m fortunate to life in a house now but it is shockingly loud. I only have an OCD V2 at the moment for some drive, but with amp vol on 2, I can barely let any volume out of the pedal at all, it’s crazy loud, but oh so good. I do find a bit of high end harshness from the reverb channel, but I do realize that in a mix or band situation, you’d want that. Anyway I’m so glad you enjoy that amp. The tremolo and reverb are so good.

[@elipop777]

I had a hard time with these 2 choices about 6 months ago. I finally decided on the tonemaster because of the surprising great tone and other perks. No regrets at all. It is a fantastic amp!

[@elipop777]

@Luke lol. the classic argument. I played a hot rod deluxe tube amp for years and the tonemaster is not even in the same ballpark. Dare I say... it's better! Alot better. Congratulations on your purchase. It's an amazing amp.👍

[@elipop777]

@Luke absolutely. It's the perfect amp in my opinion. They definitely nailed it man. One thing you should know is that the speaker needs to be broken in. When I first bought it I thought it sounded good but after a few months of playing through it everyday it started to sound great! I haven't seen one person on the net complain about the amp yet. This amp is the future in my opinion. So much more convenient and less things to worry about. I just hope it can survive long time use. I don't see a whole lot that can go wrong with them though. I bought mine like a year ago and I still get excited every time I play it. I'm actually still as obsessed with it as I was the day I bought it. The hype is well deserved. Everybody seems to love em.

[@beav15]

I really appreciate the honesty of this review. One of the few channels that doesn’t hype or let the manufacturer bias their opinion.

[@DavidDyte1969]

I'm not sure I can hear all the differences you hear. But even if they are different, the Tone Master for sure sounds like a proper Fender tube amp. Which is a pretty amazing achievement, even if it's not dead on for the exact model.

[@CDW98]

i’m 35 seconds in and I already know they’re gonna pick the tubes

[@dwftube]

I hadn't even clicked 'play' and I knew that.

[@maxphoto11]

I haven’t had the opportunity to compare my Tone Master to the all valve 65 reissue but having already heard the comparisons from Anderson’s and others, to my ears, the mid range on the 65 reisue wasn’t as clean as the Tone master. However some may like is that way. Not for me though, as when I want it clean I want it clean, as I can always dirty up the signal, with a drive peddle, but you can’t go back the other way. It’s just what you like, that matters after all.

[@jkinthewind]

Love this episode! I bought the reissue and then a few months later the Tone Master came out. For a brief second I thought, "Did I just buy the wrong Fender amp?". I'm confident that the only actual advantage to the Tone Master is the weight. But you know I don't understand why that is such an advantage? If 64 lbs feels too heavy shouldn't we be thinking we need to get to the gym instead of I need a new lightweight amp? I'm 55 and I hope I can lift 64 lbs from my trunk (boot lol) to the stage for a long long time. The Deluxe Reissue is my go to amp and I have a Mesa Trem-O-Verb and a JCM 800. It just can cover almost any genre.

[@BenThomas-gd9os]

Amen, heavier amps for stronger people with more fight in them. The tone is worth it in my opinion

[@tennesseejam9788]

If you guys could get your hands on the 64 custom handwired deluxe reverb I would be interested to see your comparison and thoughts on that vs the 65 deluxe reverb reissue.

[@lhrmrhein-main9022]

Really love the glance in Dan´s eyes when he's pointing out that he fell in love with the amplifier ;) That's how you know that it's true !

[@icemanlee666]

I’ve got the tone master and I love it to be fair I’m not a gigging guitarist so the attenuator is a real bonus at home I tend to use it the second lowest one most of the time, I used to gig and had several tube amps but due to the venues I played I never got any of them cooking, so bizarrely for me the tone master feels like the most tubey amp I’ve played, its great to see what you guys thought though ;)

[@jbf16falcon]

Lee Crofts I have both in the Twin version and dirty power at home. The Tonemaster Twin works better than the Katana and GTX did sound wise for me and my absolute distain for the hum from my tube version made the Tonemaster the perfect fit for the living room. There is a place for both says my hum hating brain. Still in clean power use the tube version rules.

[@ptrisonic]

Yes, I think that the guys would agree with you - in fact I think Mick actually says so towards the end. P

[@VintageRadius]

I love the honesty TPS! Not every piece of gear is for everyone and I appreciate the specificity as to what you liked about TM and what isn’t working for you. It’s not easy to be even slightly critical of anything when you have a big audience and your opinions carry weight. So many KZbin guitar-related channels have become empty product commercials; and I can’t stand that.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thank you James. Truth is, most YT channels are either being paid to make the video, or they’re trying to sell you the amp. All of which is cool and valid - many of those channels are WAY bigger than we’ll ever be - but still, that’s how it works. Cheers!

[@BV_Beve]

Just a reminder about the Monday VCQ announcement at the end of this video ... there is no Monday "LIVE VCQ" on Monday October 5th (2020 for anyone reading in the 'future') ... given a following wind LIVE VCQ returns on Monday October 12th @ 5PM BST

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thank you BV! Good job you’re awake!

[@weschilton]

Thanks BV!

[@kamilwoj2231]

great presentation, will pop there one day, cheers!

[@crappyfellow]

I own both the Fender Deluxe Reverb Blonde Tone Master & the Fender Super Reverb Tone Master. Both are great tools for the working musician. You may be able to tell the difference between the digital and their tube versions but the audience cannot!

[@ferrinbonn]

You guys really are not the target audience for the Tonemaster. As you've shown over years of doing this show, you're about tone at all costs, regardless of inconvenience or cost. I think the Tonemaster still sounds really good, maybe just not as good as the '65. But the tradeoff is you get an amp that's less expensive initially, has lower maintenance costs over time, is much lighter, can overdrive at any volume, and can record or go to a PA direct. None of the benefits of the Tonemaster really matter to you guys so that's all out the window. I'll also say, I think the new blonde Tonemaster sounds much better than that one. Andertons did a good video comparing the two.

[@midnighthour4299]

Spot on...

[@johnwilliamson847]

As someone who almost only uses an amp in my practice room, dialing down the watts is rather important. I found I couldn't get full tones out of my 15 watt amp, but at it's 5 watt settings it sounded much better. I would imagine that with a good EQ pedal, I could get good tone out of the Tonemaster and use it at home.

[@RogerThat902]

Well said. I love these guys, but I knew before starting the video that it wasn't for them hah

[@matsumoku1]

Yeah, there's never really much question as to which will sound better, vintage vs. modelling. It comes down to cost and other features. This is also the guy that will play a vintage tape echo over one of the fine new pedals, so we know what he is going to like better going in.

[@jimmyhansen5842]

But the blonde has a celestion speaker and is not so charateristic Fender'ish😉It's maybe better for the overdriven sound. I still prefer the black one......no I still prefer the '65 Deluxe Reverb😉

[@stuart_rose]

I’m not averse to modellers/cab sims, have a Two Notes Cab M+ on my board for “silent occasions”, but it’s clearly audible that the ones and zeros TM sounds flat (particularly with fuzz) and two dimensional compared to the sweet tube driven midrange and multidimensional reverb of the DRRI. Kudos to you chaps for giving the digital device a solid hearing. It is a different thing. 🤓

[@thunderrosa2258]

The Silverface 68 Deluxe is the often forgotten, but amazing gem of the deluxe reverb world

[@christophernoia5197]

I have a silverface 68 vibrolux and I love it. I’ll run it alongside my vox ac30, but if I’m playing with only 1 amp, I go to the vibrolux.

[@lavalizard1]

I just gigged with my TM a couple weeks ago here at a socially distanced outdoor festival in Canada and the freedom of not worrying about it being bumped etc was amazing. No “VALVE” worry. It was mic’d and the attenuator was a revelation for working with front of house to nail tone + volume. Aside - for home recording, pre-production demos etc the DI is REALLY good. Fast and effortless - no fiddling with mic’s or iso-cabs. Rhett is right. This is a working musician’s gigging amp. Home run Fender.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Great that it’s working for you Dave. I guess working musician is a bit of a catch all - there are working musicians using everything - tubes, modelling, solid state, combos, heads, racks, mics, DIs etc etc. Whatever gets you connected and in the flow is what works we guess. Cheers!

[@michaelgoupil972]

Fantastic video Gents. But you’re In an isolated lab environment, and that’s OK, and valuable . But hearing the Tone Master series in live gig situations, the DR as well as the Twin, is indistinguishable in the mix. That, along with the direct out IR’s, attenuation, weight, and other reliability factors renders these apps a no-brainer for the gigging musician. Thank you for such great content.

[@lavalizard1]

@@michaelgoupil972- completely agree. I rely so heavily on my TM Deluxe and Twin for just that reason. In addition to all the other traits I rely on (XLR to front of house, weight and portability) at a live at gig nobody can tell the difference (myself included).

[@MishaHendrix]

Whatever video of yours I'm watching, it usually makes me wanna play my guitar right away :) Love your channel!

[@pathackett3958]

I was considering one of the Tonemaster DRs for the reduced weight, will stick with my SF Deluxe Reverbs now!

[@zachrichard7558]

The one element that I've always loved on the actual fender tube amps is the reverb. I can never match the sound of an actual reverb tank with a pedal. You can really crank the reverb and somehow it sounds huge, but out of the way. It even comes across in this video, the reverb on the 65 Deluxe just sounds bigger and better

[@shawnmcvey7789]

Check out a pedal called the Element. It's a spring reverb tank that attaches to a pedal and can be mounted on your board!

[@shakey71]

If you crank the reverb in a drri, you’re getting more gain as the recovery stage of the reverb will break up and compress, giving you a “bigger” feeling sound!

[@RJ_HTx]

Yes, to me the Reverb is big part of the Deluxe sound. Without reverb it sounds kinda dull .

[@JimmyWatfordGuitar]

Its so funny to watch the pain in Dans face when he has to play a ss amp. The tone master is an amazing top level ss. I for one think I'm blessed that I enjoy both tubes and solid states. Truthfully in 2020, there is no better only different. Dan just happens to live in tube land. Its a nice town. Sometimes in tubeland your back hurts, sometimes all you hear is static, sometimes you gotta find an electronics professional to get you back up and going. But when your up and going, what a wonderful world. Lol, man that tone master and Micks strat, wowza. Love you Dan and Mick and Mr. Keely for your awesome pedal.

[@dahliafiend]

😂

[@jacobbrown1690]

You can easily fix a deluxe tern after warranty. Good luck fixing a ss amp after warranty lol.

[@sixslinger9951]

tube snobs are idiots, and I own tube amps.

[@darwinsaye]

This is invaluable to me. I’m picking up a Tone Master at the end of the year; I have a 1966 Princeton, so I want to go bigger, and the Twin and Super are just overkill for my needs, so the only real choice is the Deluxe. But my concern with the Deluxe is that I’m after the full fidelity Fender “scooped” sound, and I worry that the Deluxe, which has an atypical amount of midrange compared to the normal blackface sound, would not be exactly what I’m after. But hearing that the Tone Master actually has less midrange than its tube counterpart is a plus for me. Kudos for an excellent, thorough demo that has addressed literally all my questions about the amp. I think it sounds fantastic.

[@andreasdavour9973]

In this case even I who usually hear little difference in these A/B scenarios clearly heard a difference. For me the key is the reverb. That Fender sparkle sounded massively different with a real reverb tank. That's one reason I think the Blues Junior has been so popular for example. In my Marshall I usually turn the digital reverb off, just because it never sounds as good as a real tank does in a Fender amp. But, with some dirt sounds I think I'd take the Tone Master. That shrillness might cut in a mix, but it does also cut other ways.

[@tonyr.7433]

Hey guys, I absolutely love this show! You two are a great team and by the way, I think I'm addicted to watching these. Better than being addicted to other stuff because it inspires me to grab my guitar. You guys even inspired me to build a pedalboard out of scrap wood I had in my garage... I did it during my lunch hour LOL.

[@Ashareth57ye]

Great episode, guys! As ever. One thing that IMHO should be considered in the equation is that A. The speaker used is different and that might introduce variables in the frequency response comparison between the two amps. B. The possibility of the TM to be upgraded via software which could bring in some modifications. I think the TM is a good amp and regardless of the differences from the DRRI, it always gives the feeling of a real tube amp when playing. Which I haven’t found yet with any other digital simulation. It’s subtle, but it’s there

[@jonr1122]

Thanks for a great video. I have only tried the DR Tonemaster in a shop when I A/B'd it against a Twin Tonemaster. The twin won hands down for what I wanted. I would like to have seen an EQ pedal with the DRs to get rid of the whole mid curve issue. However I agree with your general conclusion, the RI without eqing pushes the mids more and that's what you were looking for from a playing live standpoint. For me I have learnt that when playing at home, usually jamming along to recorded music, you need the exact opposite. IE cut those mids around 3.2K so your sound sits in the mix. That's why at home the Twin Tonemaster with a good eq pedal is perfect, and replaced my Fender valve amp. Thanks again for a great show.

[@carminelombardi9575]

I learn soooo much from both of you, it's so appreciated. I've come to trust on both you. Thank you!

[@MarcFonda]

What was most obviously needing balance , to me, was the reverb. The real tank, added so much. Can we hear them dry?

[@alexmoll8372]

That spring tank in the DRRI seems to be making a huge difference to my ears.

[@jbf16falcon]

Alex Moll I agree, I could deal with a Midrange difference with pedals, EQ etc, but the reverb presence/tail trail is wrong to my ear and that reverb is why I would have a DRRI to begin with. To me that reverb circuit and tank are it’s Trademark sound.

[@eranmontiel]

That was the thing when I AB:d them. It was the spring reverb that sounded off to me in the TM

[@jsnell126]

Great comparison. 9:42 is it for me. The ToneMaster doesn't sound bad at all, but compared to the '65 it's harsh and lacking some warmth/body.

[@MattD86]

Exactly this

[@ThunderboltProductions]

I hear in the Tone master a mid range that I have heard in my own SS amps. Maybe SS amps can't dial out that midrange. I think there's just something about a tube guitar amp that just can't be replicated yet. Great work guys!

[@Benbehaving]

How good is Dan's face on that opening when Mick is on the les paul. He's just like in total bliss.

[@gianthonour]

I've seen (& heard) Johnny Marr on the Tone Master, and I was sold!! 😃 Nice vid 👍

[@MythosPedals]

Being the tweaker I love being able to open up an amp and modify it. My DRRI is pretty incredibly sounding, removed the bright cap from the vibrato channel and changed the tone stack on the normal channel to have more of a bassman/jtm45 configuration. That plus a new speaker really brought the amp to life. I've played the tonemaster version and it's cool but I think it suffers from a lot of the same problems that plague the normal reissue. If you aren't a tweaker the tonemaster is great value and sounds pretty good, but after playing both the deluxe and the twin the twin wins IMO. Maybe it was just the day I tried them but I thought the twin with all the tonemaster trickery was way more interesting and useful. Great episode guys, and I'VE GOT TO SHIP THIS WORM BACK!

[@slash2jimi]

I hope you find Jesus and rehab helps you get better

[@MythosPedals]

@@slash2jimi Say what now?

[@guitareveryone]

I've personally owned both tube versions of the Deluxe 65 and also the Twin. I've sold both and recently bought the Tone Masters because I preferred their clarity and richness of tone. Even after watching this demo I still prefer the Tone Master. Any mid voiced characteristics of the tube versions I could compensate with a EQ pedal if needed. And the Tone Master's all pine cabinets are incredibly lightweight! I would have loved to still own the all tube version to compare with the Tone Master but unfortunately I no longer have one to compare that way. But for me the Tone Master tone is more 3 dimensional. And if you compare a 65 Reissue with an original 65 or a new hardwired deluxe they will also sound different. Loved Dan and Mick's demo though. One of the best demos Ive seen so far.

[@krazyhandskyle]

You mentioned a great point about clarity. One if the things I noticed is the Tone Master seemed to allow the pedals to do their thing more than the reissue. I think that is because of the clarity you're talking about. If you're the type of guitar player who develops you're sound by pedals, than the Tone Master is the better choice.

[@guitareveryone]

@@krazyhandskyle That’s right. And even plugged directly into the amp I love how the Tonemaster responds. As I stated earlier I’ve owned both tube versions and quite frankly I sold them because I didn’t like them with pedals. And I found the tube versions to have a more sterile clean tone on their own . Go figure.

[@MrBallynally2]

That sounds like self justification after the fact. There is No way anybody will pick the Tonemaster over the DR.

[@guitareveryone]

@@MrBallynally2I did and I owned both.Tone is subjective and I’ve owned both the Deluxe Reverb Reissue as well as the Twin reissue. I really like the Tone Master. I’ve since did the download of virtual removal of the bright cap and reverb improvement download and changed the speaker to a Celestion Neo Creamback and even like it better. That’s another thing I don’t like about the Reissue is the Jensen speaker. It just sounds a little too cold for my taste. Not knocking the reissue because it’s a great amp. But I settled for the lighter weight and tone of the Tone Master.

[@VintageRadius]

How about a “mid-hump” vs “organic/neutral” overdrive episode with the 65 DRRI? Tube Screamer, Klon and KOT vs Lightspeed, Timmy and Morning Glory! 🎸

[@ThatPedalShow]

Yes! This is bang up our alley!

[@ryanrowlandson9914]

@@ThatPedalShow that'd be a great show! Please include the matchless or vox in that one as people with that style amp tend to be the ones who go for 'transparent'/natural drives vs the Fender + mid boost

[@egfromt1483]

Snouse Blackbox and some sort of Mostortion like the Karma please!!

[@ridiculouswonk2135]

Don't forget the Nobles ODR-1!

[@Dam-oH]

Ts and bluesbreaker is all a deluxe reverb needs. And delay of course and several other things ... but let’s not get into that

[@mantashaft]

I’m at 5 minute mark and let me say that I love everything about this video at this point. I’ve had a DRRI for years and I have been a bit peeved it hasn’t served as a platform on your show.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Expect to see a lot more of it from here on in. Cheers!

[@basdenchris]

I don’t believe the Tonemaster is necessarily a bad amp-especially when used with mid-forward drives-but every single time you switched back to the ‘65, I preferred it hands down to the Tonemaster. The clean and edge of breakup tones sound very sterile to me and not very musical. The “same speaker” test at the end really solidified to me that this series, while interesting, isn’t sonically competitive with the amp it’s supposed to so perfectly emulate (or, indeed, modelers like Helix or QC). All that said, this video is two years old and one MAJOR benefit of digital products is their ability to be updated and upgraded via firmware. So who knows, maybe version 2.3 or whatever mops the floor with the tube reissue. Regardless, thank you gents as always for the wonderfully informative and entertaining deep dive into the sound of these amps! Much love!

[@tombromby8546]

Dan's playing at 33mins in is stunningly beautiful. I've trying to work it out but not even close. Someone needs to create an auto tab app...

[@ThatPedalShow]

Surely that exists!? We did it as an April fool’s gag about 20 years ago in Guitarist. It must have come true by now. The Saxatone and the Acoustitone Plectrum maybe not. And my fave - they made one up before my time about Leo being stationed in the UK in the war. So there were prototype Tadcasters and Doncasters kicking about. Still makes me laugh. Hahahahaha! Ps. Yes indeed! He plays that stuff soooooo well. All that harmonic noodling is totally paying off!

[@ghibellino2936]

I dream about it since 1993. I guess we will have it some 5/10 years. Cheers

[@timothylenaghan4892]

I think this is one of the best illustrations of the difference between tube tone and those other amps. Great playing and both amps sound good but there’s SO much more life in the DRRI. Fascinating as always guys, you’re doing the lords work.

[@uttherkunst3806]

I love my ‘65 DR. I was never happy with my guitar sound until I finally sucked it up and dropped the money on a real tube amp. A Tele into a DR - there’s just no way to make it sound bad.

[@nyawnyaw12345]

I've been waiting since 2016 for you guys to get a Deluxe reverb on the show, glad you liked it, love mine.

[@mikemaselli1568]

Vid is a bit long but is by far one of the best and most comprehensive comparisons I ever watched. Compliments gentlemen!

[@clayteasouth]

Wow! I think that is one of the best tones I’ve heard on the show at the end, with the drri, with trem and reverb. Dan’s whole body posture changed and he nearly melted! Yes, that is a great sound with all kinds of harmonics swirling around. Can’t wait to here drri with matchless or vox amps. Well done guys.

[@ThatPedalShow]

THAT is what it’s all about. When you forget about the gear and just play. :0)

[@wendelllaffin240]

To me they were very close until the reverb was engaged. The Deluxe Reverb sounded like a great tube amp with a spring reverb and the Tone Master was missing that something to me.

[@LordBransty]

Dave Simpson does a great Tonemaster unboxing review. He gets fantastic tones out of it, and prefers it to the real thing.

[@honnaconna7312]

Daves like an excited puppy with everything though. Hard to gauge something with him(plus his ridiculous skills 🎸)

[@danieltravis5082]

Spotted the tone master owner

[@LordBransty]

@@danieltravis5082 - Nice try, but no. Still too loud for my apartment, even on the 0.2 watt setting. I'll stick to my spark and dream about owning a house in the country with no neighbours. But Dave really gets amazing Greeny blues from it on the neck pick up. My favourite amp video this year.

[@danieltravis5082]

@@LordBransty it is a good demo, I'm just flippin ya shit. I specifically overpay (rent wise) for a tiny house in a terrible area, instead of a nice apartment in a good neighborhood, so that I can make loud noises with tube amps. It (my loud tube amps) just blends in with the Quincineras, loud car subwoofer rumble, and "Despacito" on blast at all hours of the day. I absolutely empathize with your situation. A modeler is a good solution.

[@johnladdsmusic]

I love how thorough this is....to me they both sound great! I can understand the preference for the tube version, but when you look at all the advantages of the TM it made so much sense to me that I bought the blonde version....I’m over the moon about it!

[@kemeltavares8973]

You helped figure out that I bought the tonemaster for the wrong reasons! Traded for a pair os lovely pro level studio monitors today! It’s plug-ins for me for the time being, until I figure out what amp to buy for gigs/ rehearsals... it’s going to be tough once I hate tube amps with all my heart and everything else sounds crappy! Thanks guys! Love your show!

[@Docsjeff]

Yeah,I switched to the ToneMaster Twin after playing orig twins for 30+ years. 4 lumbar surgeries later …..33#’s vs. 80#’s that sound the same was a No-Brainer. I run my Tele’s and my PSG through both of mine. Yes,I liked the first one so much that I bought another one. Let me be clear,I bought the Cream Colored Twin ToneMasters. They make a Black version but it has different speakers than the Cream colored ones.

[@nicholasrussell620]

I owned a tonemaster for a bit. It really does sound close to the real thing, but the feel isn't quite there, and it compresses very quickly if you run a moderate amount of gain into it. I ended up taking mine back after the first gig I played with it at full volume, that's really where the issues become apparent. That being said, I really do think it's a step in the right direction in terms of solid state amps, I hope in the future (however distant) they will get close enough to justify some of us gigging folk ditching tubes.

[@kebab_boi]

Digital modeling is different from Solid State transistor. Digital is solid state but, not all solid state is digital.

[@mikeclarke4002]

I have a tone master, love it, love the sound; but I lose the feel if I use a digital pedal into it. I read somewhere it is entirely designed for the Neodymium speaker, probably the reason there is no output socket for an external speaker. Nice show. PS Thorpy FX Peacekeeper into it is glorious.

[@MagoEge]

To be honest, all the difference (quite clear) seems to be in the midrange, and that seems very very fixable (with EQ's , or as shown with the tube screamer). The overall sound and feel is way to close to be relevant, like many owners say, and like several blind tests showcase. Also, it seems that the firmware mods bring great improvements (bright cap, reverb ...). I won't sell my Vox and Fender tube amps, but I'm aware that a big part of the attachment is purely emotional and subjective. Thanks for taking the time to do such a comprehensive review.

[@mranalog241]

The dynamics are different (TM sounds like it has a compressor pedal inside), the overall tone is different, they overdrive differently and they respond very differently to drive and boost pedals. If the TM didn’t say “Deluxe” on the front I wouldn’t know which amp they were trying to model.

[@sowhulljnr]

I must have watched this episode at least 5 or 6 times! I bought a Tone Master Deluxe Reverb in March of 2021 and sold it just last week. 3 years is long enough to give it a fair chance! The TMDR was impressive, but i sold it for the exact reason at around 29:00. There is a depth to sound of the DRRI that is just completely missing from the TMDR, that no amount of EQ tweaking etc could seem to fix. I also didn't like how it behaved with fuzz, or really any pedal with a decent amount of gain on tap, and that's even with trying the different firmware updates. Now i use the Mad Professor Super Black pedal. It is a superb pedal for those cranked black panel tones. It has quite powerful tone shaping features: 3 band EQ, gain, volume and presence controls, bass cut, compression and also their Sweet Honey overdrive circuit built in. It can be used straight in the front or an amp, or as a preamp to the effects return. I'd love you guys to consider trying it out compared to the real deal if your doing something "black panel in a box" themed sometime.

[@stopmonkey47452]

Paused at 12:49 to try something. I'm a guitarist, and before Covid, I was a rock climber. Thought to my self "can I pickup my amp (ac30) with one finger?" Nope. Thanks for putting that idea in my head mick.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Your poor finger. Careful on those rocks now!

[@ewetoo]

The reverb tank difference was enough for me, it was like night and day.

[@10sassafras]

Dan’s initial thought was the tonemaster sounded compressed. I tend to think all analog and digital solid state amps sound a little compressed compared to tubes. Tube transients are hard to replicate.

[@MichaelHattem]

This. It’s not that one is compressed and the other isn’t. They compress differently.

[@jkeating7906]

Really useful video. While I agree that the Deluxe '65 sounds better, this video has actually convinced me to buy the Tone Master, simply because the majority of my playing will be in my apartment and the attenuator and direct out will be really useful. For rehearsals and gigs, it still sounds decent enough. I had been thinking of getting a Hot Rod Deluxe IV as it's a similar price to the Deluxe Reverb Tone Master, but having done some research it seems the Hot Rod would still be too loud for home use.

[@stevendobias2960]

DRRI was one of my first amps... had one for a very long time... love it.

[@duarteestelita7257]

one of your videos i couldn’t even de-attach from the screen.. hehehe.. thanks so much for this. This amp has been my fav for years & years.. and it proves itself, once again.. The Tele sounds absolutely incredible (and Dan’s playing evidently, as well as Mick with the strat) . i’m a Tele guy, so i‘ve got to stick to my sound..and bloody hell..this is THE amp to get. Good luck with the ‘digital’ era attempt.. i am a total tech nerd, but damn that REAL tube amp just sings. thanks again for this, and thank you for the channel, as with videos like this, i am able to drool a little bit over these tones, while i wait to be able to afford the beast ;) . cheers from Portugal

[@astewart9410]

UPDATE: I’ve had the Tone Master Deluxe Reverb blonde for a good while now and it’s awesome. The attenuation is the perfect solution for my home needs and I still get the Deluxe feel. It’s not tube, I know, but I love the TM DR blonde!

[@jeffrey.a.hanson]

I could see this happening. Once your ear gets rid of the ‘tube expectation’, you can appreciate the TM. I’ve experienced this with my Headrush. Once I let go of it sounding like my SuperSonic 22, I’ve dialed in some great tones that I’d gig with into a PA if needed. I feel like a lively compressor and an always-on boost would do wonders for the TM.

[@astewart9410]

@@jeffrey.a.hanson Funny thing, I've never owned a tube amp, so I have no tube expectations. Boost is a great thing with the ToneMaster for sure, I just use a cheap Joyo Sweet Baby. I can take or leave a compressor, but that's a personal thing. You know, it sounds cliche (because most of them do) but this amp really does take pedals well. With no effects loop it's all through the front but it still sounds great. The Boss BD-2w sounds stellar through it, too.

[@jackodonnell3463]

Seems to be a tactile, experiential difference for the player that differentiates these amp technologies because after going through the amp mics, youtube compression, and my home speakers the sounds are all really good whether tube or digital.

[@uncletoby1]

Well put. Think you can get an idea of the overall voicing of different amps & models via You Tube & online demos etc, so they are still really useful. But you really need to be in a room with them to know what each are fully capable of

[@shorerocks]

As always I find tube amps to be 3 dimensional in their sound, with more body than the software / modeling version. It's more than ok for rehearsal and small gigs, but I would never be tempted using them for recording. The Kemper, different tech (profiling), makes a much better choice as far as digital amps go. Admittedly only giving you a snapshot of how an amp was dialed in, but nevertheless... I've been listening on my Genelecs and my mixing headphones to make sure I know what I hear. Great vid!

[@LeBoun64]

Glad you where convinced by DeLuxe Reverb RI. I have one and have asked a tech to put a bright cap switch On/Off cause it's sometime too bright with single coils for me. No loop, no nothing but Delay and Verb sound fine in front of it, so it's simple to use. Very dynamic amp. Was disapointed by the Verb quality of mine.

[@doctorskull8197]

Excellent video! I’ve been playing rock n roll electric guitar for 50 years (yes, 50). Acquired TM Deluxe Reverb when they were first introduced. Loved it so much I bought another (I don’t care how much they cost). Keep one at rehearsal room, the other I use at gigs. I use Fulltone OCD when I need a high gain sound. And it’s LOUD‼️🔥🎸. Only 23 pounds ‼️‼️

[@TheStrongBoyz19]

I do have the Tone Master Twin Reverb amp since a few months ago and I love it, even though it's digitally made than using actual watts but I love how warm sounding with its cleans and crunch and the interesting sound it delivers with its control and the watt switch at the back is very good stuff for volume of the watts, plus sounds as good yet differently to my mind as the other Fender amps. The weight is also a big help that isn't as heavy as others. Perfect for gigging as well connecting it to the PA.

[@andreweasombentley4703]

The TM is definitely impressive but it's missing the organic sweetness of the DRRI that makes it almost seem like its a living thing. Imho that's where all the feel and magic is and it's the stuff that gets you lost in the playing

[@PedalPawn]

Fender Deluxe Reverb Reissue - my favourite amp! 🎛❤️ Sounding great guys!

[@dannymorris6204]

What an amazing job you guys did. I am picking out an amp for my son's 21st birthday and it was down to between these 2 amps. Made my choice with the 65 reissue easy. Thank you!

[@MikmawWarriorBrave]

I just bought a Deluxe Reverb RI...and I am in love with it too...especially when paired with my Telecasters

[@thenotsoguitarguy9429]

Just checked the price at Sweetwater. If the Tone Master was 600 bucks, then I'd say it had a chance as a contender. At $900, it's only $300 less than the Deluxe reissue. I didn't check the price of these in your British Pounds, but I'm assuming the difference is similar. For my money, I'd save up for a couple of extra months and get the Deluxe reissue. I mean the Tone Master is already 3/4 or the way there in price, but only about 2/3 of the way there in tone. BTW. I don't generally care for the digital reverb on Fender's amps. Had they gone with a spring tank on the TM, I think we all would have liked it better.

[@KenithCopeland]

Spot on. Fender missed the boat by costing this the way they did

[@KenithCopeland]

@KC the price could come mainly from the fact that its fenders first proper venture into somthing like this. yeah they've been doing solid state amps for a while now and its not like they dont have the tech for it

[@juliansedor7101]

That's "Great" British Pounds to you, bud!

[@jonlohrenz5446]

Mick: “do your own blindfold test” Dan: “but don’t drive that way” Mick: “well...” *sudden edit for legal purposes* 🤣

[@ThatPedalShow]

Well spotted!

[@turrafirmaguitarchannel]

To my ears At around the 25 26 minute mark I could really hear the clarity and cut of the real tube amp. The tone master sounded more broken up and lacked that nice assertive mid range.

[@falsecrab]

Great review again. Thank you for your hard work and passion.

[@Yamazaki1923]

The playing while turning the cab sim on and off....-just great :)

[@Jeff-fx5vu]

Overall 65 deluxe, some good sounds out of the tone master with pedals at half output, except you get more low end breakup. Where the 65 deluxe stays clean and full on the bottom end.

[@thelonetwangster]

Whilst the Tonemaster sounds fine, with it's own very acceptable tone, I would really like to know which amps Fender used for modelling. It doesn't sound even that close to a Deluxe Reverb. I'm playing through the Logic X model and doing an A/B with the show - it sounds far, far closer...Strange. My main objection would be the price, seems very high for what it is - I would definitely spend a little more on the '68 custom reissue or buy a '65 used...don't care if its heavier. Just my thoughts. Interesting stuff. Modelling still can't get there...

[@davidkeller6156]

The Lone Twangster It was modeled after some original. ‘65s so it could sound different than a reissue. They supposedly found the best examples of original 65s sound wise that they could.

[@MrAngryTwinkie]

Could also be explained by electronic component tolerances and variances

[@jonhulton]

Dans face test... When playing Deluxe Reverb 65 = 😍 When playing the ToneMaster = 🤔 Only one winner. Great show.

[@dyamariv3628]

Exactly my thoughts too, Dan tried but could not hide his true feelings in this comparison! Awesome Video Guys!!!!

[@TheBombers28]

Although technology allows for easy sound duplication, the distinct 'feel' of tube rectifiers remains impossible to replicate with solid-state devices. My two Super-Reverb RIs provide the best playing experience for me. It is not about the sound alone, but the response and overall feeling it evokes.

[@MelodyMaker]

Earned my subscription through your thoughtfulness in doing this comparative. I.E. home simulation and changing amps on the fly.

[@humro5960]

Deluxe Reverb. What a great clean sound.

[@michelkoning5294]

Fender recently released the blonde versions of the tone master. I believe its supposed to sound like a popular modded deluxe

[@ThatPedalShow]

Ha! Keep tweaking.... it’ll sound like valves eventually (rolls wheelchair in 2053... “yes with this firmware update we’re finally there! “ Titter.

[@Liam20881]

Yea I wonder how much difference the clipping of the bright cap on the Vibrato Channel made on the new blonde versions

[@pc3776]

You can download those firmware updates from fender

[@justinpaquette224]

Id like to hear the reissue back to back with the hand wired 20 watt deluxe reverb custom shop

[@charliewesley94]

HELL YESSSSSSSSS. I wonder what Mick and Dan would think about the 68 custom DR and 64 DR reissue in the mix as well. Great episode guys.

[@Jeff034]

Just received my tone master - initial thoughts - BLOODY AWSOME. all the air and sparkle of the valve - to me, sold the AMP1 and other assorted lower order modellers. Just play - not stuff around with getting a computer science degree and lost in a maze of change. Music not screens. Brilliant. Thanks

[@supersonicsroots]

And @Steve P says he missed that sparkle on the Tonemaster.... funny how that works, perception and expectations I guess....