Philosophic Netrunner & Legend - Spider Murphy | Cyberpunk 2077 Lore

[@LayedBackGamers]

I hope you all enjoyed this new comprehensive lore video on Spider Murphy! This is somewhat preemptive in the case we see her in Phantom Liberty, but let me know all your thoughts down below chooms! FOLLOW ME ON: ● Community DISCORD Server: discord.gg/M2ESDtg9xk ● Twitter: x.com/LayedBackGamers ● Twitch: www.twitch.tv/layedbackgamers

[@JohnnySilverwrench]

Preem ❤ thank you! I really hope we see 🕷️!! Shit even if it's flashbacks of the actual events and what happened to her...fast forward y'all still think Vs a coincidence?

[@JohnnySilverwrench]

Tomorrow choom is "your PC ready?" Has been the main question I see bouncing around the Internet all I know is I wired up 3 more fans to keep my PS5 cool lmfao

[@doreilly7689]

The fight in smashers mind:"fkin NPC slowing me down, where did blackhand go now?" The fight in Johnny's mind:" he'll never forget me 😌 " 😂😂😂

[@venveng]

Everytime I do a new playthrough and get to that point on Johnny's memory I cringe so hard since I know for a fact that all of it are just how he fantasized it went down but in reality he died like a fcking random NPC.

[@curz7074]

@@venveng Thats a lil rough. He died brave, not like a coward or somthing.

[@venveng]

@@curz7074 True, but won't change the fact Silverhand in Arasaka's POV is just another faceless enemy. Do you remember any of trash mobs you flatlined while you fight your way through Arasaka to get to Mikoshi during the Fear the Reaper ending? That first guy at the door is probably more memorable than Johnny is to us if we were playing as Smasher.

[@curz7074]

@@venveng I mean Smasher had to have atleast respected Johnnys style, he kept some of johnnys stuff. not completely unmemorable

[@venveng]

@@curz7074 No not really. His reaction when Johnny shouted his name while unloading his smg and malorian at him was the same reaction Smasher gave Faraday, "Who the F are you?" The one who preserves Johnny's stuff is a fan who found his body in the rubles.

[@DeadnotAlive]

The whole world loves me ~Spider Murphy

[@JohnnySilverwrench]

My favorite quote! That and "who wrote this manifesto..."😂😂❤

[@LayedBackGamers]

Definitely one of my favorite quotes. Didn't notice it on my first play through and thought they left it out. Noticed it on the second though!

[@TheNotoriousLARGE]

I feel so bad for Murphy. She just wanted to fuck with corpos on the Net, and ended up losing friends in a war with them

[@thecybersmily4794]

Did she? Not sure about that. Most, if not all, her friends were netrunners. When she notified people what Bartmoss had done, the list of people she told were Edgar, Dog, and Dana (Firestorm: Stormfront pg 144). Sure she helped/worked with Rogue, Sliverhand, Thomason, Blackhand, and Shaitan, but does it make them friends? Granted the person(people?) who can answer that is Lisa Pondsmith (who created/played Spyder as a player character ) or Mike Pondsmith (who included her in different books).

[@TheNotoriousLARGE]

@@thecybersmily4794 She liked Johnny enough to Soulkill him so he wouldn't truly die. And she made a good effort to make sure Alt wouldn't be lost in the Net forever. Maybe not close friends, but it seemed like she cared about these people to a degree

[@TheNotoriousLARGE]

My main point, anyway, was that she was just a kid messing with corps on the Net who ended up on a suicide mission. A lot of people died in AHQ, even if the main characters seemingly all survived

[@DogOffTheLeash]

@@thecybersmily4794I mean, it’s established how Alt and Bartmoss were her closest friends lol. Alt ended up an engram in the Net and Bartmoss died finding out where Soulkiller was. Both caused by Arasaka. You’re focusing on Shaitan, Johnny, and Rogue when they weren’t the friends mentioned.

[@thecybersmily4794]

@@DogOffTheLeash Is it established that Alt and Spider were friends? Yes Alt and Bartmoss did some runs together, but Spider really doesn't mention any relationship with Alt in Rache Bartmoss' Guide to the NET. Spider is mentioned to talk with Alt after she was soulkilled which could have evolved to a friendship with Bartmoss being the shared link. Of course this could have be retcon by CDPR. Something to ask Lisa Pondsmith about their relationship as those are/were 2 of her Cyberpunk TTRPG characters.

[@metalheadweeb7132]

So spider has the original shard. Looks like Arasaka has a copy

[@AbcXyz-rn2lz]

Books and game say nothing about what happened to her

[@kallemort]

​@@AbcXyz-rn2lzRED hints she's still around taking gigs under a new persona.

[@AbcXyz-rn2lz]

@@kallemort cool. Seems she just isn't referenced in game save flashback. I would love more bartmoss stuff besides the prank side mission with the short timer hack

[@vincentsavoretti2201]

I mean it's been fifty years so things can change

[@RaixsOreh]

I'm not an expert but i'm pretty sure arasaka has the original copy. Spider murphy slotted soulkiller to turn johnny into an engram, but she disnt get to pull out the shard because adam smasher was attacking everyone leaving it with Arasaka.

[@ShawnRakar]

I play tabletop Cyberpunk Red and I have to say that 2077 did awesome capturing the atmosphere after the time of the red.

[@thepalejiro]

"Quoting famous philosophers" Just like T-Bug

[@briangoubeaux5360]

Also, I liked the netrunner stuff from cyberpunk because experiencing cyberspace sounded so cool.

[@etherealdreamerart]

Spyder sounds so intriguing. Hope to see her in PL or the sequel.

[@JohnnySilverwrench]

Bro you know more than likely we will know everything I've been looking up says yes hope it's not clickbait ..

[@etherealdreamerart]

@@JohnnySilverwrench Me too. If she is not in PL, then definitely she will most likely be in Orion along with Rache, Alt, and Morgan.

[@johnny2598]

​@@etherealdreamerartIt is too early to speculate about this. But let's hope we will see them

[@etherealdreamerart]

@johnny2598 Sooner or later we are gonna see her. I have this feeling. Who knows. Maybe Mr. Pondsmith is cooking something up with CDPR as we speak

[@JohnnySilverwrench]

​@@etherealdreamerarthopefully sooner than later tho ...mike pondsmith on his recent talks and live streams seems like he wants to do something epic with all of our beloved characters by Orion....

[@yenyerkun]

Never been this early. As usual, 100/10 work. Choom! ♥ Cannot wait for PL to drop and start watching your takes on it!!!

[@SoranotRoxas]

Love the lore videos, and looking forward to Phantom Liberty. Can't wait till you cover that.

[@AnomalyArcadie]

Man, what a fantastic video! The last ten minutes were like a roller coaster ride! I knew Kei had been convinced to commit Seppuku, but I thought I had heard it was by his father because of how he "failed the Arasaka corp and the family." I had NO CLUE how it actually played out and how it ended. That blows my freakin' mind because of the implications. And the stuff regarding Angel is just WOW. I genuinely hope this is all the intended cannon and comes together in Orion. My dream plot for the sequel could totally be built off this theory! I watched this earlier today so I've had some time to sit with the idea of how I'd like to see the story be built off this theory and man I love what my brain came up with, lol. Imagine all the pieces falling into place for V to reassemble the gang. "Angel", Spider, Blackhand, Shaitan, and maybe even Johnny depending on if they take that route. Or THAT could be the end game goal, along with trying to stop all out war between humanity and rogue AIs. Maybe Spider finds out Arasaka backed up Johnny's engram somewhere. Sensing shit is about to go down with the Blackwall and the threat of rouge AIs looming, she contacts V and the two of them go about tracking everyone down while working towards getting to his engram. They make contact with Angel eventually to find out she has been saving a physical clone of Johnny on ice for just the occasion. Originally before PL I wanted to see the sequel have Takemura and V being recruited by Michiko to help her toss out the old Arasaka guard to make room for the new, allowing for actual positive change in the corp and the greater world. Major oversimplification, of course but having finished Phantom Liberty that idea just feels underwhelming with how the EP wrapped up. The "Michiko/Goro/V" dream team definitely can't hold a candle to seeing V and the 2023 crew just wrecking some rouge AIs along with Arasaka and maybe some shady agents from NetWatch during their journey to find Johnny again. I do still expect Michiko to play a bigger part in Orion somehow, being it seems Mike Pondsmith seems to take a particular interest in her and appears to have set her up as someone who could be significant opposition to the old Arasaka way if the conditions are right. I suspect he has plans for her, for sure. Plus, she has ties to the story of Black Dog which could be used to tie her into this plot. And sure Goro could come along for the ride as her new bodyguard lol. Being left disillusioned with Arasaka, it probably wouldn't be hard for Michiko to bring him around to being fully on her side, making him a valuable resource to V and the crew as an informant and set of eyes close to the top people in Arasaka. Who knows, maybe what with V's condition post PL leaving her vulnerable and being along side some of, if not, the most powerful characters in Cyberpunk lore it'd even give CDPR a reason to let Goro have a fight or two in with all his implants and abilities active, lol. Ultimately he could feel he still owes it to V to keep his word about helping her, and sees this as a chance to make sure it really happens now. Michiko feels responsible to help V as much as she can too, being just a far more decent human being than the rest of the fam ever has been while also being aware of just how much Arasaka could have helped V, if only they had actually cared to. She feels she needs to right some of the wrongs her family committed. Not because she was responsible, but because she knows she would have the ability to if only she was the one calling the biggest shots. I dunno, my mind can go running with lore predictions or just coming up with my wish list of plot lines so I probably overlooked 100 different things that could completely dismiss this as a plot, but let a girl dream lol. It'd be so rad to see everyone interacting with one another, seeing how their characters would react to each other and how they worked together as a team.

[@Rickus316]

Bro absolutely love these lore videos and I’m looking forward to Phantom Liberty

[@paristhomas9274]

I found an Iconic electric baton called Murphys law, lol. (In 2.0)

[@McSenkel]

A non-lethal weapon. Very suitable name.

[@paulleach3612]

Chuffed with this, Spider is our homegirl. (Not messaged much as I've a PhD proposal staring at me with intent...)

[@abdullahmalik7217]

Good luck, hope it goes well.

[@LayedBackGamers]

How did it go choom?

[@AngelusNielson]

Yes, johnny's end is not the same in the TTRPG as it is in the flashback in Cyberpunk 2077. I figure that's just because he has such an ego he has to be the hero. And spoiler... Alt is on th enet, or at least some version of her.

[@maxgehtdnixan4913]

I think it's because Arasaka used him as a guinea pig to see how much they could edit someone's memories and personality. He had an ego, sure, but he went out very heroically to save his friend. The Johnny we see initially, before he merges with us, is a very selfish person. It's unclear whether engrams can rewrite themselves, but I imagine if they can, they would need programming knowledge to do so, which Alt has and Johnny does not. So, I think the discrepancies are the result of Arasaka experimenting on Johnny.

[@AngelusNielson]

@@maxgehtdnixan4913 I think that if Arasaka as going to do anything to him it'd be more torture like in the flashbacks... that'd fuck you up too.

[@Kyronetta]

Why is how Johnny passed so different here than in game? Very curious

[@maxgehtdnixan4913]

@@Kyronetta In the TTRPG, he consciously makes a decision to engage Adam Smasher to buy the rest of the team time to run in a very obvious, "Johnny" manner. He lasts about 2 seconds, one of which is Adam Smasher giving him a WTH stare.

[@AngelusNielson]

@@Kyronetta Not even a quarter as badass as he made it out to be. He didn't go in guns blazing and he got murked quick. The nuking of the tower was also not him. And yeah, Smasher didn't come for him like he made it out to be. he was just i the way.

[@arthuralford]

I've enjoyed the dive into the lore, and it's given me things to consider as I get ready for 2.0 and Phantom Liberty

[@GtheMVP]

Incredible stuff choom. You are king of Cyberpunk lore. Stellar presentation, narration, research and pontificating possibilities.

[@LayedBackGamers]

Thanks a lot choom! I try my best to provide conversation other channels can't. I love getting everyone thinking and introducing new info to its fullest extent. I have some upcoming video essays that haven't been covered in their entirety by anyone else

[@GtheMVP]

@@LayedBackGamers YW. I played some of the 2020 TT in the early's 90's and loved it, but my friends were more interested in D&D. It's nice to see you bring so much lore from then, and other editions. Look forward to the new stuff!

[@shadowtheneko14]

22:34 sounds like what johnny eyes after the bombing

[@Eyeslayer]

I only recently got into cyberpunk but to hear the lore and find out about the TTRPG i'm stoked to learn more and run my own game. love the video amazing job. keep up the amazing work.

[@rogueliephant]

Binged watched your vids. They’re great

[@LayedBackGamers]

What was your favorite video format choom? Theory or lore!

[@JohnnySilverwrench]

"I had "gotten"my first cyberdeck at 13 "❤❤❤❤🕷️🕷️🕷️🕷️🕷️🤘🤘🤘

[@JohnnySilverwrench]

How in the fuck can songbird touch silverhand and stare him in the face while fucking with the relic is beyond me right before the trailer i seen cut she put her hand on his shoulder and v and johnny both look at each other and say how in the fuck?!

[@LayedBackGamers]

I assume it's just her visualizing him in her optics and kind of programming him to interact with her. Kind of like how in Vs optics he csm see silverhand move chairs

[@gx4012]

I really hope in Phantom liberty we get some easter eggs or maybe a connection in the story

[@andydbedford]

I would love to see a Alt Cunningham deep dive lore video, this video was awesome 👍

[@morgang5666]

More like deep throat dive, lmao

[@faketheo3432]

I'm not convinced Angel is Alt. Maybe Johnny just has a type

[@WolfDarkrose]

Gotta quit for a small lady spider has got balls of steel

[@Gravedigger432]

It kinda bugs me that Spider Murphy and Angel do not get mentioned at all in the base game.

[@mohdshahariar5833]

Angel is alt herself

[@Gravedigger432]

@@mohdshahariar5833 they haven’t confirmed this it is assumed. There is also a bunch of Samurai mega fans that modelled themselves after the band and their gfs and bfs.

[@totalwar-hamster4518]

This is definitly reaching, and little more than baseless speculation, but there are only 2 major characters i'm aware of in 77 that 'overtly' share the same voice, 2 who are also both keen on symbols. Spider, and Misty. There's no other connection i'm aware of but its always tweaked my gut instinct that Misty may be spiders daughter. Despite 3k hours in the game, i've never remembered to check if she has a surname on her emails to jackie. Probably bunk, but a testament to how the universe is designed to tweak us onto these things

[@qwasel_cosplay9051]

Amasing Veideo and have a nice Phantom Liberty expirents

[@LayedBackGamers]

Thank you choom! Enjoy your time in Dog Town!

[@LZocki]

Hope we see sth about spider in Phentom Liberty such an awesome Character ❤️‍🔥

[@kirksmigael]

You can find something that eludes to spider Murphy operating in 2077 under the Alias of Recluse. Don’t remember how or where though

[@YouGoneMad]

Something I discovered recently on my own time is that the girls from Cloud a Spider Shaped Serial Buss tattoo on they belly button area. I often wondered what did Spider Murphey do after her young days of Cyber Terrorism with the Silverhand? She must have surely bneing a damn great Netrunner, must have made programs for those willing to pay a pretty penny for her code. Clouds, I am guessing, hired Spider Murphey in order to make the CLOUD Doll Programs they use! Can somebody tell me if that Spider Serial Bus tattoo is in fact evidence of this, or if it's just random coincidence? I would surely like to believe that it is not coincidence in a game that was fully developed with a bunch of easter eggs in it, and having given a full history to many characters! Thank you in advance!

[@jarednoxsel7379]

Imop even if that's not the case i don't see why her general spider imagery would be associated with her and even if she wasn't hired there could be some level of connection even of its just the girls like spider or her desighn logo

[@briangoubeaux5360]

Since her icon is an anime girl, Recluse might be a student that idolized her.

[@JohnnySilverwrench]

I loved this video this withiut confirming my theory confirms my theory lmfao

[@LayedBackGamers]

Happy birthday choom! I worked pretty hard to get this video out on your special day

[@JohnnySilverwrench]

Thank you so much I watched this video multiple times at work and well now on the way home! Just hearing out loud with amplified detail made it so much better🎉❤🤘 this made for a legendary birthday as not many understand the importance of their friendship especially in future installments! Hopefully this will open the minds of all them having bodies/replicas in night city I still think it'd be dope if they reveal Bartmoss as blue eyes but we shall see!! 3 more days until 2.0 choom I can't wait things will forever be different I hope for the best 🍻

[@JohnnySilverwrench]

​@@LayedBackGamersmy favorite Convo with spider tho has only happened in Johnny's head saying he's nuts 🤣🤣

[@etherealdreamerart]

Happy Birthday! 😁

[@JohnnySilverwrench]

@@etherealdreamerart love yah as well choom was waiting for ur comment back on my page thank you very much choom hope all is well with all my chooms I've been waiting to hear something from raging hope he's alright but ok he's been chillin with his wifey which is preem 😁

[@JohnnySilverwrench]

Choom 2.0 is today and we're getting a special interview from cdpr shortly wake the fuck SAMUARI yah got a gig to perform 😂😂

[@JohnnySilverwrench]

Downloading now!! Remotely downloading

[@LayedBackGamers]

@@JohnnySilverwrench Hey choom! I thought about livestreaming but since I'm moving in a couple days decided not to and instead just focus on getting setup in 2.0 for some videos! Don't worry though, I'll be streaming come Monday

[@綾波レイレイ]

Doesn't the Relic Skills jailbreak icon look like a spider? One part of the face and one part of the arm looks like a spider's abdomen. I thought it might be an asura from Buddhism, in which case the correct number of arms would be six. sry for poor English i'm japanese

[@vaulthunterfromterra4053]

Better English than most of England and at least half of America.

[@JohnnySilverwrench]

Holy fuck is it a totally different game now fuck yeah time to dismember a few gonks!!! 😂🎉❤

[@fistmakeandfishiro5565]

Snarky, cute, loves anime, arguably the second best netrunner un history, is voiced by P5 Futaba. I think Spider is Best Girl

[@maurog.ocaranza4142]

You guys know Spider's Mike's wife's character?

[@firefly56embers33]

I didn't know that but thats actually pretty interesting

[@Beboppin-Bibeau]

Do you think Spider Murphy is a subscriber? I would be if I were her!

[@Jack-kb5nb]

Damn, hope Spider got that happy ending with a hoard of kids and good husband. Recluse should be her best student

[@shabushabu5319]

Holy cybercow

[@JohnnySilverwrench]

Choom about 20 hours into 2.0 and holy fuck this shits insane idk what I want my build to be so rn I'm all around and it's fucking nuts the can pin point me died like in total 3 times and I was acting like a complete gonk but definitely challenging tho a lot better than before!!!❤🎉

[@JohnnySilverwrench]

Choom I need a update from yah cause my fans even with my PS5 been running hard asf but cool it's insane I'm about to start modding my PS5 like a computer

[@LayedBackGamers]

I played a bit of 2.0 on the release day and got situated learning the different skills and builds I could do. But I've been moving all day today and won't have internet and my desk set up till tomorrow after noon or so 😥. Then I'll be able to make some content and prep for the Phantom Liberty live stream!

[@JohnnySilverwrench]

​@@LayedBackGamershell yeah choom good shit on the move that is tough especially now a days hope all goes well and hopefully you let us all see your new set up take it easy chooms hit us up when you get time as I'm interested to here how it went!!🎉🤘

[@JohnnySilverwrench]

​@@LayedBackGamersI posted a video with my recent 2.0 gameplay and a side gig with hands taking down some animals shit was tough with my all around character on very hard made me actually try 🤣 before it was alright I'll do dumb shit and make it out np now im saying "hold up how can I actually beat this without dying a million times 😂"

[@snackette]

Dude, use some punctuation.

[@Kyronetta]

So in game Johnnys memories we live ain’t the true memory of his?

[@Andrewza1]

The best way to see it is how he saw it. Johnny has a ego so large it probably changed how he sees and remembers stuff.

[@johnsherry6021]

I haven’t paid this much attention to a KZbin video in a while

[@LayedBackGamers]

Glad it got your attention choom!

[@blueoysterboi4742]

Where do I find the message from Bart moss in the books

[@LayedBackGamers]

His final message to Spider is found in Firestorm Stormfront, along with an adventure to play out his assassination. Majority of Bartmoss lore is in guide to the net, stormfront, and brainware blowout (practically guide to the net)

[@smartmouthriveria]

I haven’t beat it yet but I feel like songbird is spider ….I’m probably wrong

[@KaitouKaiju]

Not at all. Entirely different people

[@Leomerya12]

2:03 "Timbre" is pronounced "TAM-BER". Don't ask me why, and the only reason I know is because I'm a professional composer and it's a common term in music.

[@MM-zw8sm]

Where does mikoshi exists? Beyond the black wall?

[@kbrnsr]

Low or high earth orbit, every Arasaka (main? Regional?) office has an access point to Mikoshi

[@JosephBiden69]

Where do you have this informations from is it from book or comics or what I need to knowwwwww

[@LayedBackGamers]

The Table top RPGs written by Mike Pondsmith and R Talsorian Games. Huge amounts of information to be found in those, but sometimes very spread out

[@JosephBiden69]

Thanks man

[@mogboVA]

Did....did cyberpunk predict vtubers with spider's net-icon? or am i going crazy

[@grilledleeks6514]

take my like, sir

[@WiseFish]

Great video dude! Maybe we can collab sometime would be great to work with another CP2077 creator

[@LayedBackGamers]

Thanks choom and I completely agree! Shot you a message on Twitter, it would be a lot of fun

[@BL00DYME55]

Where is "Night City Legends #1" video? I can't seem to find it

[@LayedBackGamers]

It's the Morgan Blackhand video. I just haven't changed the names yet, my newer Magnificient Curtis is the third to this series as well

[@JohnnySilverwrench]

3 new endings chooms!

[@LayedBackGamers]

Excited to see them all choom!

[@JohnnySilverwrench]

​@@LayedBackGamershell yeah you live streaming the event?

[@woozy96]

This game is better to be build like how God of War is. So much potential just from the lore.

[@requiemagent3014]

Problem is CDPR is way over there heads with this game. The "2.0" update is basically just the launch version. I like Cyberpunk but man they must hate working on this game. They already announced after Phantom liberty no more support for the game outside of bug fixes. This game is beautiful and an absolute disaster at the same time. It's remarkable. I don't see them ever expanding on the lore. Again the really want to move on and I cannot blame them.

[@raresthornet]

​@@requiemagent3014didn't they announce they're already working on a sequel and another witcher game

[@requiemagent3014]

@@raresthornet Announcing doesn't mean they are working on it. Writing Cyberpunk 2 on a whiteboard technically counts as development. Even if the whiteboard sits in a room for five years before they remember it's even in there

[@raresthornet]

@requiemagent3014 maybe I chose the wrong wording but since they *have* announced a sequel it's a little silly to say they wouldn't expand on the lore

[@requiemagent3014]

@@raresthornet This is way, WAY, in the future. They are not going to touch anything Cyberpunk related for the next few years. I don't fully trust CDPR with anything they say. Let's wait and see

[@a.9913]

Anyone know the ost at the being?

[@bob11664]

Is song bird Sider Murphy

[@LayedBackGamers]

It's always a possibility, but it seems like she is working with Arasaka in the CGI trailer. I'd put my bets toward her having a connection to Spider though

[@bob11664]

Nice. I guess everything is up for possibility with them showing characters shape shifting

[@withertoneultraluxxx]

I think you could stand to benefit slowing down and taking the time to read out the lore with a little more life. If you continually recount actions, states of mind, dialogue, and body language cues in the characters all at the same tone and pace, it can be incredibly hard to process the information as a viewer. Dialogue especially can be easily made distinct with tonal shifts or visual cues like a sound wave under a character portrait. Keep up the good work!

[@usedport100s]

Second this, great video. Your sentences are good but as a whole the cadence is the same, if that makes sense. Maybe check out random audio books or to see what you enjoy listening to or what you think could elevate your content even that much great. Can't wait for the next video

[@cskrisz0706]

Could Bug be Spyder?

[@shypony5820]

9:55. 11:17

[@PawełekDayz]

i like to think t-bug was Spider Murphy and she didnt really die i think that t -bug could just log out or something really fast as she knew that the Kopeki plaza Gig wasnt a good plan

[@mcjcave18]

🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@gamering149]

murphy's probably dead by now

[@TheCorybonuaf]

Crazy theory that I just ha. Do you think T bug could somehow be Spider Murphy? I only ask because at least in the game T bug quoted a couple philosophers as well as her icon like something similar to what spider Murphy would’ve used as well just a thought much do we really know about her question?

[@lanceswarts4936]

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