Philosophy of the Orphic Mysteries - The Derveni Papyrus - Myth of Orpheus and Ancient Greek Science

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I laughed hysterically at "If I were the scholars opening this miraculously preserved, funeral pyre tomb of horrors there's-a-lich-nearby-named-Acererak text, and the first words I could read were "Erinyes," "libations," "daimones," "destroyed utterly," and we're only on the fragments of the third column, I might suggest that we need to think more deeply about our life choices."

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“What we have here is an esoteric text produced in a mystery religion being read to express what was, at that time at least, cutting edge philosophical and scientific theories, and then surviving until today after being burned with a Macedonian aristocrat probably in anticipation of securing a beneficent afterlife.” Dr. Justin Sledge on the Derveni Papyrus.

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I tend to think spiritual texts are meant to be metaphorical in nature. They lend themselves then to a wide range of disciplines and philosophical thinking. Literalism kills them stone dead. Fascinating discovery. Really intriguing for its time and connections to a range of narratives.

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Wow .... is it easy to read ?

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@@lordofutub Maybe some day that will change?

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Yet..

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Thank you for this 🙏🏻 Looking forward to more on Orphism. Something about it pulls me in. I’ve been reciting the Orphic hymns. Good stuff. ✨

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I loved this. I had not heard of the papyrus prior to this. You should’ve entitled this video ‘The Choke Slam of the Absolute’ :)

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The instant the Derveni Krater popped up on screen it became my favorite piece of visual art ever, it is beautiful.

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This is 16:27 eerily prophetic with the current understanding of the ACTUAL origin of the universe as we know it. Pretty epic preceeding Galileo

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I truly appreciate your introduction, along with all of your disclaimers, of this manuscript. I will be sure to check out other videos created by you. Thank you.

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Fascinating! And the first I'd heard of the new discovery, somehow, so very much appreciated on that front too! Given how little is known about the Hellenistic mystery cults, this is an incredible find. Dr Sledge's description of the author's approach reminds me an awful lot of the later European alchemical writings which often tried to explain esoteric in context of contemporary science & vice versa...?

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I had never read of the Derveni manuscript. Look, maybe I didn't say every tiny syllable. Thank you for the introduction.

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When you cross over, Don’t drink from the first river, No matter how dry your thirst. There is another smaller river, As you will discover, If you only keep moving: It flows among cypress trees, Its water is fresh and clear And it is banked with clover, Bulrushes and lilies. Drink from its water On your hands and knees. At the crossroads with three Forking paths, you will discover That the right path is the best. Do not be tempted to take any Other, and don’t dither Deciding. Go right. Keep going.

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Wow that's really amazing that such an old text can survive in any form.

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That freaking urn is beautiful. Wow! And the papyrus text is mind blowing. I'll consult the akashic record and get back to you on that title. So... no worries. I've got a feeling it means something along the lines of : I'm here to sing some hymns, dish some answers in these here riddles and chew some bubble gum, and I'm fresh outta bubble gum.

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I went on a fieldtrip to a roman/greek tomb in that region And the atmosphere was crazy , underground with low light the frescos still strong looking at the tomb felt like these mf's could rise up any second, totally a different world.

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Unsettling similarities between this and initiations of the Cub Scouts. Cheers!

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Incredible work on the Orphism, I have always fascinated by it thanks to Dionysos and His Divinity along with His eery similarities to Jesus Christ. Although, I don't think that it necessarily just straight up pompfts down Christ, after all, Ficino worked it out! Speaking of which, can you perhaps do a video on Jakob Boehme? Thanks man

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Early Christianity does indeed borrow a lot of the concepts about the soul and afterlife from Orphism.

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Jesus was modeled upon Dionysus & other vegetative, or dying & reviving, gods, like Hyacinth, Narcissus and so on - I wrote a paper on this topic, which my beloved professor, who was both a Classics/Near Eastern scholar [who knew about 10 ancient/modern languages] AND was a Presbyterian minister, accepted my premise, albeit a bit reluctantly.

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@@sherylholland2378 *Great comment! In the end, it's the archetype that 'matters'.... Double entendre intended!* 👍

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Modeled how? You propose Jesus was an invention?

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Macho man metal

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...and we have Abram of Ur/Or Orpheus.

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Evidently she never heard of Empress Theresa/j

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It's really exciting for me to be able to read these texts in Greek although I have no idea what they mean. Could you do something more in early Greek philosophy and the Mysteries especially? We are not taught in school about those.

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The Tomb of Horrors reference...love it.

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This is a great video that sadly doesn't touche all the aspects of the philosophy of the papyrus. I feel, however, really grateful for touching this subject, especially because I live a few kilometers away from the place of the discovery.

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Thanks for going into such explanations, giving understanding to such texts I would have trouble associating properly. So much goes into your 26 minute production, its amazing. I'm still working on my Latin, for goodness sake :) So many texts and so little time!

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Seemed appropriate

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With a 10' pole :)

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Excellent... Could you do more on early greek philosophy and esotericism.... It feels like its all there.... Maybe the unwritten doctrine of plato's academy, your take on soco, the dionysian/Apollonian switch Nietzsche mentions, or karl jaspers axial age, or all the heidegger stuff on being and clearings and greek temples, or maybe a general cultural video on the relationship between poerty, theology, and logical thought in ancient greece, or how they viewed and understood it.... etc. As a philosopher i think you could produce a whole gang of content on that intersection alone. e.g. why walter benjamin was all about the jewish mysticism (loved the video on spinoza), or 60s self help as an outgrowth of theosophy, neoplatonism and kabbalah, etc. Either way really just commenting to keep lord algorithm happy.... Youre the best!!!!

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This pls

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This is some interesting info I didn't know about the Hades (2018) extended universe. I didn't realize they had actually written out the thing that Zagreus convinced Orpheus to write.

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Fascinating and well done as usual

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19:17 hilariously funny part of this very interesting lecture. thanks.

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Even way back then, the struggle between science and religion.

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Loved this. When are you looking at putting out the next Orphism vid?

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Thank you for this episode

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Thank you for your service ✊😎

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Nice DnD Tomb of Horrors archvillain reference! Step aside, V of ST and CR! But seriously, religiontube DnD livestream one-shot when?

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The thing about ancient philosophers naming their writings after wrestling moves is fantastic, reminds me very much of our modern, public intellectuals and how people talk about them "destroying", "eviscerating", "demolishing." etc. each other through their arguments. Hilarious.

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Please do more orphism

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another wonderful video, thank you very much

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Very good. I've always been fascinated by the Bios Orphikos. The rejection of the standard "bloody sacrifices of the alimentary type" probably led to cultural and social exile, as in "Go on posture, advertise your meatless diet, play the bacchos with Orpheus as your master, honouring your vaporous screeds" from Euripedes. Herodotus thinks the rites are of Pythagorean/Egyptian origin "They agree in this with the observances which are called Orphic and Bacchic, but are infact Egyptian and Pythagorean".

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Thank you Dr. You are awesome!

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Wow. This text has to rank up there with the Dresden Codex as the most miraculously survived text of tremendous value.

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Pls do a video on Orphic cults

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can you imagine walking on a hike and seeing a wild Aristotle? that must have been so nuts all those centuries ago. Now we only have domesticated "designer" philosophers like Jordan Peterson. I hope we come up with some kind of conservation effort to bring back wild ecosystems where philosopher species like the early Platonists can come back on their own.

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Dr, would you be so kind to make a video on who and what the demon Valac is?

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"A lich named Acererak", well played Dr. Sledge. Better watch out for cave-ins and Spheres of Annihilation.

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Good advice;)

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Thank you for being so respectful of my tradition (ancient Greek tradition) and culture. And also for being careful with words in regard to the papyrus itself and in extension with the Orphica.

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Asceticism associated with Dionysus is so interesting

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Gods were often empowered by their opposite. Like how Apollo was agod of both disease and healing

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I was reading Eliphaz Levi, who suggests Kabbalah came from Abraham, do we have reference to how he came about it?

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With the exception of sefer yetzirah which is late classical, kabbalah is fully medieval

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Would love that 1694 copy of St. John of the Cross, ideally along with an Esoterica eposode about the Dark Night of the Soul maybe?

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Thanks again Dr!