Erich Fromm on Productiveness, Destructiveness & Authoritarianism (1963)

A few clips of Erich Fromm discussing productiveness and two mechanisms of escape: that of destructiveness and authoritarianism. This comes from a 1963 interview.
#Philosophy #Psychology

[@DonYutuc]

I just read Erich's "The Anatomy of Human Destruction." What an amazing read! RIP, sir. Thank you for your contributions to mankind. This interview is great! Who's watching with me in December of 2023 going into 2024? Our best year, yet! Ever!

[@abnormalpsych5542]

It's one of the best books ever. I've read it twice in entirety and reread passages all the time. Stunning and scary work

[@guyburgwin5675]

I read it 40 years ago. I still feel grateful that I did.

[@DonYutuc]

@guyburgwin5675 Wow. That was around the time I wasn't interested in reading but now, I read about 4 books per day! You're one step ahead of most of us, guy!

[@abnormalpsych5542]

@@DonYutucAny recommendations for people who enjoyed Fromm?

[@thekantedkalcedony]

​​@@abnormalpsych5542 you didn't tag me but seeing as you have yet to receive a response, here I am, responding.. I haven't read Fromm, only listened to a few hours of him on YT... though I'm currently reading A Short History of Freethought Ancient and Modern(2 vols) by J.M. Robertson you may find interesting... free digital read on projectgutenberg website..

[@nozarm]

Thank you for sharing this inter-view 🙏🏾 Wise words, admonitions and warnings. spoken years ago... and... we have witnessed the destruction he is pointing out, more so in the last four years. May we seek to transcend our animal nature not through destruction but through our humanity and creativity 🌿💚🙏🏽

[@johnmaisonneuve9057]

Eric Fromm is super. I have all his books, biography and learn so much. Thanks for the interview.

[@theerichfrommchannel6722]

He is an outstanding thinker, our channel creates video essays dedicated to his ideas.

[@johnmaisonneuve9057]

@@numbersix8919 I have!

[@elnegro9158]

And, most important: Have you, Do you, Are you PRACTICE (ed, ing) all that lot that you've "learned" ???

[@kirstenhupertz1085]

I also love his work. His way of thinking helped me a lot with my depression a few years ago.

[@chekaschmeka4283]

Thanks so much for this rare gem.

[@stephanieyeshuaislife7236]

I agree that thanks are in order!

[@JustDinosaurBones]

Fromm is underrated.

[@Anabsurdsuggestion]

What a great few clips. I have never seen him before. What prescience.

[@RedRosa]

Would love to see the whole video!

[@user-iz4yj9up5j]

Truly amazing man !

[@LesterBarrett]

This is a very well-fitting analysis that would apply especially to terrorists. "If you can't create, you can at least destroy".

[@stevekaylor5606]

Mental health is the development of a mental + emotional dedication - a cathexis!

[@jordisalvadobuque1803]

In 1963 👍!!!

[@sabrisaad8858]

Full interview please

[@socialnecessity]

I like this guy, I am inclined to think he's right that to break the chains of illusion, progress isn't optional

[@croissants1280]

so what's the alternative? You will just swap one form of illusion for another.

[@socialnecessity]

@@croissants1280 I meant that in contrast to other critical theorists, Fromm holds out hope for humanistic meliorism, we can improve ourselves. It's refreshing when all you hear is that we will always be alienated.

[@croissants1280]

@@socialnecessity What alternative structure of society does he advocate? He diagnoses a problem but doesn't offer a solution. It's not refreshing, it's critical.

[@socialnecessity]

@@croissants1280 not sure what books of his you've read, but at least on my reading of his work he does argue for a very specific set of policies, though they me be ones you don't agree with: democratic socialism, pacifism and a world where people are less oriented by having and more by being.

[@croissants1280]

@@socialnecessity By democratic socialism, pacifism and being, you mean people should be forced to be like this? What if the majority of people want to be capitalistic, violent and "having"? How do you bring about these changes in society?

[@victoriafilmproduction6803]

Genius!

[@5hydroxyT]

wow... Fromm foreshadowing the transition from Foucault's Disciplinary society, to Byung Chul Han's burnout society right here!

[@sue9481]

Wow, he really was ahead of his time. This is depressingly 'on the money' for what's happening right now.

[@isiahs9312]

How do you figure?

[@alec.g.w]

Corto y contundente del maestro Fromm

[@jordisalvadobuque1803]

A brilliant mind 🌐👍🐱💭💭💭

[@Grandpa_Boxer]

Amazing how Fromm saw into the future. We are just about where he foresaw us going. Authoritarianism, Christian Nationalism and MAGA!!

[@stevekaylor5606]

If JFK's Alliance for Progress had been carried out - productiveness and cultural optimism would become an economic, scientific and cultural Renaissance!

[@roger_isaksson]

😅👍

[@zakwalker2483]

The iron path

[@julienl.3327]

"Et les Shadoks pompaient, pompaient, pompaient"

[@robertshows5100]

If you want to know some of what's going on in USA today, read Escape From Freedom

[@stevekaylor5606]

Authoritative conformity is ideological and Orwellian - which entraps many. This could change - via an economic, scientific and cultural paradigm shift!

[@camfella647]

How does destruction transcend? Animals destroy each other so I would think that destruction is regressing to our animal nature

[@Philosoph_Dionysos]

His analysis and diagnosis are quite good and profound. But his remedy was a bit too sketchy. Makes one wonder what kind strategies he has in mind to return to individualism and humanism - two ideals of the failed project Enlightenment.

[@croissants1280]

The problem is that there is no remedy.

[@zuz-ve4ro]

hes a democratic socialist from my understanding

[@cherylschalk9106]

When he said “man is a freak of nature” , rather than a “creature made by a Creator in the image and likeness of Himself” I came to the same conclusion that you did.

[@stevekaylor5606]

Since Mozart's mother played the violin each day - his subconscious was always aesthetic. Thus, aesthetic Talent Training - should be the main thing in the Mental Health Industry. People can become more Godlike - Andre Rieu is a good example! / Howard Glasser, Madan Katara and Peter Breggin offer emphatic Talent Training! @@cherylschalk9106

[@juvenalhahne7750]

Parece que de la para ca o humanismo como valor que vinha do Renascimento foi substituído pelo que vem se chamando de antropceno. Com isso, desenha-se um horizonte do qual o retorno ao humanismo parece ultrapassado. Erich Fromm pertencia ao grupo dos frankfurtianos que de acordo na análise e diagnóstico do presente diferiam, me parece, nas propostas de superação do presente. Marcuse, por exemplo, o de maior notoriedade, associou-se a Contracultura é a rebelião estudantil da epoca, esperançoso de que a revolução realizasse enfim a liberdade erótica. Adorno, o mais profundo mas obscuro pensador, pessimista, apostou na resistência da high art contra a indústria cultural... Benjamin por sua vez incorporou o marxismo dentro de um messianismo pela " redenção dos vencidos".. Mas o diagnóstico de todos eles já vinha do século XIX com Marx e Nietzsche, que eles talvez só tenham atualizado... Enfim, pra divulgar ou complicar o quadro atual, o antropoceno não exclui de si a copresenca de todas as soluções propostas por eles como vigentes, conforme os novos conceitos de metaverso ou multiverso, herotopia etc....

[@juvenalhahne7750]

A destruicao e uma vinganca contra a vida que nao da o que o desejo quer?😢±😢±😢±±±±+±++±+++±++ Ou este e a parte animal do homem reclamando das promessas nao cumpridas da sua parte cultural? Do video em questao so guardei como basico a constatacao da dualidade humana com dificuldade de integracao. Talvez que a analise de Fromm, em 1960, tivesse em vista sobretudo a modernidade quando o enorme e rapido desenvolvimento economico causado pela ciencia natural substituiu, com sua ideologia do progresso material, o que anteriormente fora desempenhado pela religiao, cuja crenca no sagrado como sentido maior da vida consagrara o desejo como o amor ritualizado no casamento e a familia. Nao haveria portanto como reclamar contra Deus pela frustracao do desejo ja que, pela fe, isso seria pecar contra Ele e aperda da propria alma. Ora, o ateismo consequente ao surgimento e poder efetivo da ciencia natural criou a expectativa e esperanca da felicidade terrena, na qual a partir de entao as restricoes ao desejo, restricoes meramente humanas, legais e sociais, ja nao mais conseguiram conter a revolta generalisada de todos (de uns mais, de outros menos, tudo em funcao de suas posicoes politico-sociais) contra a frustracao do desejo e, portanto, da autodestruicao como o sentimento latente do odio por si.mesma de uma humaninade sem ilusoes..

[@andreselectrico]

Does anyone fail too see how these words apply to today's industrial nations?

[@NoPrivateProperty]

capitalism is overwhelmingly a destructive way of organization

[@ihmejakki2731]

Ones productivity is anothers destructivity

[@matthewlaurence3121]

Arguably not in itself, the problem with Capitalism is the label and concept of it. It is merely human behaviour. Human being, as social creatures have always sought to empower themselves, in order to maximise their & their children’s chances of survival. They trade, cooperate and develop industry, eventually becoming a detriment to nature, not be design but by magnitude of resource consumption to sustain ever growing populations and their economies. Likewise for Capitalism grows with the aforementioned industry, primal instincts such as: greed, competitiveness & ambition, which are extensions of survival instinct, can make him wealthier than his neighbour, who may be less inclined to these instincts, misinformed or unlucky. Yes capitalism is destructive, but that has always been the destiny of man, with few exceptions, regardless of the ideology.

[@NoPrivateProperty]

@@matthewlaurence3121 man has existed for over a million years. agriculture around 10k years, with industrial capitalism only a few hundred years. you can not mix advanced technology with crude animal impulses. society has to evolve beyond this organized crime, as Einstein pointed out in his essay on socialism

[@NoPrivateProperty]

@@MrLcowles Mao won 70+ yrs ago. it's a lock

[@MrDeadlysirius]

freshman year goin pretty rough buddy?

[@AudioPervert1]

Fromm is pointing to a 'A society of control' which was theorized, by Deleuze and Guattari, in the late 1980s.

[@stevekaylor5606]

The 1991 Wolfowitz Doctrine contends for this - a Unipolar order!