Phoenix VS Raven Fight Only

[@juliealgh]

Man, I keep forgetting how strong raven is.

[@treybrzezowski3259]

She's Truly deserving of the title: Titan. Heck out of the Teen Titans, current and Former, she's the single MOST deserving of being called a Titan based on power alone.

[@gonhunter3994]

​@@treybrzezowski3259 Nah, there's also Beast MAN that deserve it too

[@TeaPopular]

I wasn't the only one waiting "No longer am i the woman you knew..."

[@clashofpokemonspokemongo8313]

💀💀💀 if jean dies whole universe will die. She is psyonic power of the multiverse and reason of life.

[@Unknown-cn8nt]

Will that was made 7 years ago soo Phoenix wasn't that strong yet

[@clashofpokemonspokemongo8313]

@@Unknown-cn8nt bro in comics it was already written perhaps u are movie viewer pnly. Nowaday scarlet witch or any character is beating phoenix i mean really? Just a movie showed something and u believed that. Its already written phoenix is one of the oldest cosmic entities in marvel and spark of creation. It cant die, it changes hosts and even ressurect any host.

[@GIBSOND09]

Late comment but that whole Jean could be true but either way raven still lives that fight takes place In ravens home which is azarath which is located in a whole different reality

[@daveronmtofficial3493]

A fight to the death between Jean Grey (with or without the Phoenix Force) and Raven is another compelling battle, as both characters wield extraordinary abilities with cosmic or otherworldly origins. The outcome depends heavily on the circumstances and versions of the characters in play. Let’s break it down: --- Jean Grey (Phoenix and Non-Phoenix Versions) Without the Phoenix Force: 1. Powers: Jean is an Omega-level mutant with unparalleled telepathy and telekinesis. Her telepathic abilities include mind control, illusions, and reading minds, while her telekinesis allows her to manipulate objects and energy on an incredible scale. 2. Limitations: Without the Phoenix Force, Jean’s durability and power level are finite. She is vulnerable to attacks that overwhelm her defenses. With the Phoenix Force: 1. Powers: The Phoenix amplifies Jean's abilities to a universal scale, granting her: Reality and matter manipulation. Immortality and resurrection. The ability to destroy or reshape entire worlds. 2. Limitations: The Phoenix's power can make Jean unstable or emotionally volatile. Her humanity may become a weakness Raven can exploit. --- Raven 1. Powers: Raven is the daughter of Trigon, a demonic interdimensional entity, and wields vast mystical abilities: Empathy: Can manipulate emotions and even use them to weaken opponents. Soul-Self Projection: A powerful shadow-like projection that can attack, defend, and banish entities. Magic and Teleportation: Raven has access to various spells, energy manipulation, and dimensional travel. Demonic Heritage: Her connection to Trigon amplifies her power, allowing her to potentially summon or draw from his strength. 2. Limitations: Raven’s powers are tied to her emotional control. If her emotions are manipulated or she loses focus, her abilities can falter. Drawing on Trigon’s power can also risk corrupting her. --- Key Factors in the Fight 1. Mental Warfare: Jean’s telepathy would give her an edge, allowing her to potentially invade Raven’s mind and exploit her inner conflicts. However, Raven’s empathic abilities could counteract this, as she can manipulate Jean’s emotions to destabilize her or turn her fear against her. 2. Power Source: Without the Phoenix Force, Jean’s abilities are immense but may not match Raven’s mystical and demonic power. With the Phoenix, Jean’s cosmic scale could overwhelm even Raven’s demonic heritage, making it hard for Raven to counter. 3. Durability: Raven’s Soul-Self provides a unique defense mechanism, as it operates independently of her physical body and can counter many forms of attack. The Phoenix Force makes Jean nearly invincible, capable of resurrecting herself or nullifying most magical or physical threats. 4. Emotional Stability: Both characters have vulnerabilities tied to their emotions. Jean’s connection to the Phoenix makes her volatile, while Raven’s emotional control is key to maintaining her powers. --- Outcome Jean Grey Without the Phoenix Force: Raven would likely win due to her mystical versatility, ability to counter telepathic attacks, and stronger raw power. Raven wins 8/10 times in this scenario. Jean Grey With the Phoenix Force: The Phoenix’s cosmic scale would overwhelm Raven, even with Trigon’s influence. Jean’s power to manipulate reality and destroy dimensions would outclass Raven’s abilities. Jean/Phoenix wins 9/10 times in this case. Ultimately, Raven is powerful but not on the same cosmic level as the Phoenix Force, which tips the scales heavily in Jean’s favor. However, without the Phoenix, Raven’s mystical nature and emotional intelligence give her the edge.

[@daveronmtofficial3493]

This is from Chat gpt model 4 himself

[@smartpatrick8690]

If you watch this only though, you miss the legendary Mechageese Howard cutaway though

[@mosessin]

Every bird battles ever!!

[@Tyln93]

White Phoenix >>>>> All versions of Raven!!!

[@jonathancarcamo5922]

Bro. Jean is now one with the Phoenix. Raven won't have a chance.

[@yoyomayne]

Yes she does

[@Lovelypeachesate]

Raven solos Jean 😭😭

[@wandagrey2528]

@@yoyomayneno she doesn’t

[@wandagrey2528]

@@Lovelypeachesatehow so ?

[@wandagrey2528]

@@Lovelypeachesatehow so ?

[@jckholmes9194]

Raven is not powerful enough to defeat the Phoenix or Phoenix in Jean Grey. Completely inaccurate. Phoenix can literally just ash her Raven's soul and cut it from her own if Raven tried to fuse to her.

[@Diamonds_Rubys]

Raven is immune to all of that also her soulself can’t be ashed it’s immortal and can’t be taken from her or controlled by her and this fight is very accurate because we see in this fight she turns into golden Raven which is her soulself cleansed who is more powerful than Raven herself

[@daveronmtofficial3493]

​@@Diamonds_Rubysthis is from chat gpt4 himself. A fight to the death between Jean Grey (with or without the Phoenix Force) and Raven is another compelling battle, as both characters wield extraordinary abilities with cosmic or otherworldly origins. The outcome depends heavily on the circumstances and versions of the characters in play. Let’s break it down: --- Jean Grey (Phoenix and Non-Phoenix Versions) Without the Phoenix Force: 1. Powers: Jean is an Omega-level mutant with unparalleled telepathy and telekinesis. Her telepathic abilities include mind control, illusions, and reading minds, while her telekinesis allows her to manipulate objects and energy on an incredible scale. 2. Limitations: Without the Phoenix Force, Jean’s durability and power level are finite. She is vulnerable to attacks that overwhelm her defenses. With the Phoenix Force: 1. Powers: The Phoenix amplifies Jean's abilities to a universal scale, granting her: Reality and matter manipulation. Immortality and resurrection. The ability to destroy or reshape entire worlds. 2. Limitations: The Phoenix's power can make Jean unstable or emotionally volatile. Her humanity may become a weakness Raven can exploit. --- Raven 1. Powers: Raven is the daughter of Trigon, a demonic interdimensional entity, and wields vast mystical abilities: Empathy: Can manipulate emotions and even use them to weaken opponents. Soul-Self Projection: A powerful shadow-like projection that can attack, defend, and banish entities. Magic and Teleportation: Raven has access to various spells, energy manipulation, and dimensional travel. Demonic Heritage: Her connection to Trigon amplifies her power, allowing her to potentially summon or draw from his strength. 2. Limitations: Raven’s powers are tied to her emotional control. If her emotions are manipulated or she loses focus, her abilities can falter. Drawing on Trigon’s power can also risk corrupting her. --- Key Factors in the Fight 1. Mental Warfare: Jean’s telepathy would give her an edge, allowing her to potentially invade Raven’s mind and exploit her inner conflicts. However, Raven’s empathic abilities could counteract this, as she can manipulate Jean’s emotions to destabilize her or turn her fear against her. 2. Power Source: Without the Phoenix Force, Jean’s abilities are immense but may not match Raven’s mystical and demonic power. With the Phoenix, Jean’s cosmic scale could overwhelm even Raven’s demonic heritage, making it hard for Raven to counter. 3. Durability: Raven’s Soul-Self provides a unique defense mechanism, as it operates independently of her physical body and can counter many forms of attack. The Phoenix Force makes Jean nearly invincible, capable of resurrecting herself or nullifying most magical or physical threats. 4. Emotional Stability: Both characters have vulnerabilities tied to their emotions. Jean’s connection to the Phoenix makes her volatile, while Raven’s emotional control is key to maintaining her powers. --- Outcome Jean Grey Without the Phoenix Force: Raven would likely win due to her mystical versatility, ability to counter telepathic attacks, and stronger raw power. Raven wins 8/10 times in this scenario. Jean Grey With the Phoenix Force: The Phoenix’s cosmic scale would overwhelm Raven, even with Trigon’s influence. Jean’s power to manipulate reality and destroy dimensions would outclass Raven’s abilities. Jean/Phoenix wins 9/10 times in this case. Ultimately, Raven is powerful but not on the same cosmic level as the Phoenix Force, which tips the scales heavily in Jean’s favor. However, without the Phoenix, Raven’s mystical nature and emotional intelligence give her the edge.

[@Diamonds_Rubys]

@ yikes using chat gpt in a debate.. but sure Raven would still win, she’s simply too powerful. Raven has been immune to reality warping, powerful enough to be basically the avatar of the Great Darkness, and is the nexus of the DC omniverse

[@TumeloNawa]

For those who are saying raven cant beat phoenix, raven maaged to contain/defeat trigon who is the conquerer of planets trigons level is ominversal which means he is a threat to the whole omniverse this is how the chat is 1.city level = weak examples of superheros on this level hawkeye,black canary, black widow, 2.planet level = strong examples of superheros on this level green lantern , flash , iron man 3. Galaxy level = very strong examples of superheros on this level phoenix, starfire, captain marvel 4. Universal level = insanely strong examples of superheros on this level superman,shazam,power princess 5. Multiversal level = absaloutely strong examples of superheros on this level wonder woman,zatanna,dr fate,thor,scarlet witch,dr strange 6. Omniversal level = unimagnably strong examples of superheros on this level raven,trigon,selestials

[@MNFahmiHazizi]

Not them cleansing each other's out..

[@emmanuelcruz7452]

They represent ying and yang symbol in my opinion

[@bansheechorona4904]

this is a joke

[@KhalidNyakabau]

White raven!!!!!!!