PHP isn't dead feat. the Laravel Origins cast

[@MarkusWolff]

PHP's been bringing bread to our table for 23 years now and still going strong. And since it always keeps evolving, it has never become boring.

[@muriu]

Man, i felt this

[@chibututunnamani5806]

PHP paid me the first time and is still paying me. It's a language I strongly believe will never die.

[@eldinmujovic8705]

This is so true.

[@1234matthewjohnson]

same, been a php dev since i graduated - now 41 and better than ever

[@neatnateable]

@@1234matthewjohnson I'm with you Matthew. I'm 41 and can say the same.

[@smoetje]

PHP is far from dead. It's great, fast, fairly easy to learn for beginners and you can go very far with it once you further develop your skills, dive into frameworks, packages & package development. And the performance of the latest version is STELLAR. Dead?? Hell no, it's more alive than ever...

[@tomvsas]

I used to kinda dislike PHP later down my education in application and web development. However, as I started to get a better grasp on Laravel, and worked more on PHP, I actually started to really like working with it.

[@wilfred5656]

Much love for PHP and Laravel. I used to be this Java/Csharp guy that hated PHP but I have since buried that thought long ago.

[@rcmnet]

I'm curious what changed your mind, could you share how it happened?

[@JoseGarcia-vr8mx]

I love JS, PHP, Node, Swift, Go, and Rust. But it was thanks to PHP and Laravel that i was able to get into the industry. I will ever be forever grateful to PHP and the community, it seems to me that since people are learning NodeJS and Python, that there is a good demand for PHP developers, some recruiters from NY have reached out to me telling me that they are willing to pay up to 140K per year for Laravel devs. Opportunity is alive in the PHP world my friends. It is time to wake up and smell the coffee.

[@pravinjadhav8055]

Do you think Laravel devs can get similar money to java devs?

[@lucasj.pereira4912]

PHP is enough. Enough to pay my bills... and my car... and my house... and my bike... and my travels... kinda enough if you ask me!

[@BrunoSilva-cg2zi]

Yes same feeling

[@dc22199x]

I've been using php for almost a decade and laravel since it was 4.2x, from zend to symfony to laravel until 8.x, in the past I worked as a frontend; I've been using nodejs for socket/express or even nestjs, used to work with angular/react and vue but it felt more easier to use sveltekit as it is closee to vanilla But in terms of speed and concurrency and thread safety, I am literally enjoying Go "golang". It is much easier to learn and lesser syntax, anyone from node/php can easily jump into it. Learning multiple languages/frameworks isnt as bad as you think, you can solve a company's problem by using different languages, they have their own purpose.

[@rodelias9378]

PHP pays the bills.

[@KristherLouisVidal]

Php is our currency

[@NikolaKirincic]

Say no more :)

[@da009999]

What kind of apps do you write in PHP?

[@chibututunnamani5806]

@@da009999 almost anything. When another language, library, api or whatever is needed, I employ it. I've done things with Jquery Ajax and procedural php. You have to appreciate a language enough to develop things with it.

[@bubblesort6368]

@Kristher Louis Vidal ah) When I firstly saw the PHP currency in my current project, I thought it was a currency for test pays))

[@adityakadam2256]

After coding in Python, C#, Java, and Node, I feel PHP is nothing different than these languages in terms of DX. No doubt Laravel is the main reason why web development or even Micro-service dev is fun and efficient. Those who says PHP is dead they definitely need to give it a try to PHP 7+ and see by themselves that how elegant and modern PHP is.

[@plusSilver]

Laravel Is fantastic

[@rosselliot8971]

I still hear these guys apologising for the language and not defending it strenuously. After all it's the language that's made many of them very wealthy and very famous. Its ease of use is not a disadvantage but an absolute benefit. Ultimately, the developer is responsible for writing good code, not the language, just as an author is responsible for writing a good book, not just cobbling together poorly constructed sentences. Stand up.

[@SimonJustesen]

I returned to PHP after being away for 15+ years, having loads of fun

[@saydfuad6914]

I started with C++ back in 2010 and never made a cent with it. 😄, the moment I joined PHP, It started to bringing food on the table since then.

[@emmanuels.emokor3783]

I personally get irritated by this kind of argument on social media. Many are ignorant about how this beautiful language has evolved. It's changed my life as a developer, and also changed my perspective of how I look at the web in general. The community is growing strong!

[@CharlesBLim]

Coming from Django at first coding in Php (Laravel) was a bit weird but I realized there are more job openings for PHP devs in my area.

[@CaturAndiPamungkas95]

I'm coming from Laravel and trying Django and I can say Django is not easy as I think. IMHO, The framework abstraction in Django sucks. Laravel framework abstraction is easier to understand.

[@TrainYourDragon999]

php is not only for web development it iis also for building good backend for others apps and more . i love php

[@mactavish7287]

Great a video. + 💯 For the person who blended the music so well!

[@yungifez]

I needed this I was considering leaving php l, but the python syntax is scary

[@maptuffs]

Python syntax is so simple after 2 weeks of learning, u got this 😉

[@arunabraham9382]

@@maptuffs if anyone familiar with C, C++ or even Javascript just as familiar with PHP syntax. The advantage over python? No need to think of indentation anxiety just code few lines the auto indent with ide and bam!! The code just as prettier as needed to be. So this is an overstatement.

[@mrgerbeck]

Once you learn Python, you'll look back on PHP syntax as not being nearly as elegant.

[@busyrand]

People thinking PHP is dead equates to job security and a straight forward entry for many of us who don't have the industry connections or proximity to hiring opportunities other people may have. Every new Javascript tool reminds me of things PHP does natively. And, All Hail WordPress!!!

[@zenelshabani3353]

I can write Javascript/Node just as good as PHP after 10~ years, Whenever there is a new project, I always end up using php for the backend api. Its simply the best! The thing is that its very easy and thus seems inferior compared to harder coding languages. Yet the results are preictally the same

[@kladdelic]

We still could use some generics, like Brent discussed. :D Other than that, hell yeah, PHP is awesome. Jeff helped me get the hang of it with the PHP Practitioner. That cleared up so many things for me. I built just the tiniest JSON endpoint with PHP to consume via JS. That felt like magick, and that got me so excited. Thank you all.

[@Ovinski]

Jeffrey lost a LOT of weight! He's looking cool aright :) Also his responses were awesome as always!

[@TheRafark]

And hair

[@eldinmujovic8705]

Is PHP dead? Hmmm, "What Is Dead May Never Die!!!".

[@Rubenhood97]

the power of Laravel is the team is very collectif and is very creative and very friendly

[@milanurukalo]

PHP is dead! Long live New PHP! .. last couple of years are "New PHP" years

[@ganeshkgp]

its been 8 years i am working as a dev and i still use php because it has its own pros and cons in my opinion language is just a tool it depends on that dev how he use it

[@sergioalves94]

Great video, I love PHP

[@RodneyKimbangu]

I am happy that some people think it is dead. That way, we can keep the competition level low while they run around like chickens hopping from new framework to new framework outside of PHP!

[@JohnDoe-uw5mj]

The old Javascript was dead, but we have ES6 and Typescript. The old PHP is dying, but we have Laravel. As long as WordPress is alive, PHP will be around.

[@jcl6861]

Not laravel - swoole.

[@mohammadashrafuddinferdous8649]

Nice one! BTW, It's "Symfony" and not "Symphony". Can you please correct it in the subtitle?

[@tolulopedahunsi4380]

who cares

[@pmrebel2733]

Php was a language that came earlier than its time. If php came after ruby or node it would have been revolutionary because of its ease of use. Look at JavaScript with all the complexity and complications people love it because they feel that complicated means sophistication.

[@Juan_Carlos_Flores_Becerra]

Any resources to learn php in a modern way ?

[@stefankrejci4306]

First of all, great video! Nice to see you all again ;-) But I want to state... I honestly don't get this whole php-is-dead-discussion. I am using php since around 2001, 2002, and since back then I think it's a great language - because it's exactly the way it is (and I was coming from Pascal and .NET Delphi). Difficult to compare to any programming language, with all its pros and cons. Who says, it might be dead? Then don't use it! And don't complain, as I don't complain about other languages I tried, but did not like. PHP is great AND is evolving great, and with frameworks like Laravel it's really fun :-)

[@rcmnet]

Agree, even in the period when php had the most issues like in the beginning of the 2000, it was still the best language for that time although plenty other languages like python, perl, ruby, java, aspnet, server side javascript, etc were also available, the whole php ecosystem was just superior and it kept improving with each version organically

[@idcashflow]

u just like me man, coming from pascal and borland delphi :D

[@emmanuels.emokor3783]

If i was to go back and teach web development, I'd definitely use PHP for my illustrations

[@KaGeN102]

Luckily PHP does not have to appeal to everyone yay

[@sinistergate]

I wish I learn Golang earlier, but I thankful for PHP tho

[@kodosensei]

I love PHP !!! is easy to learn ❤ haha

[@abhilashrajagopal9455]

I developed my first application with PHP.

[@ioshaven436]

PHP gets a bad reputation because it is such a forgiving language. It all goes back to how PHP is invoked on the server and its original purpose. Many languages require some sort of package or low level library to handle HTTP requests, but PHP does not. PHP was originally designed to preprocess markup languages like HTML/XML. PHP was not originally written to be general purpose language like it is today. In fact, PHP is so simple that you can just change the HTML file extension to PHP, and start injecting dynamic code. As a side effect, there is a huge variation in quality of code. Sure you can write clean OOP, but many sites have been running just fine as dirty PHP scripts. Many developers get anal over the optimal way to write code, but there is no right way to write PHP and that's why its such a fun language.

[@infodude3393]

All my idols in one video . Thnx

[@nabeelyousafpasha]

Respect from Pakistan

[@AtiqSamtia]

+1

[@coder236]

lol and then you have node... where the inventor of node himself doesn't even like node.... PHP 8 is incredible in my opinion.

[@robertoflores2078]

Jeffrey has done to much for the PHP community. He's one of the best coding teachers in the industry. Laracasts is huge.

[@matiaslauriti]

PHP is as alive as the ugly JS. It is alive thanks to its community, same as JS. But PHP is specially alive thanks to Composer and Laravel/Symfony (and I have to also add some CMS like WordPress and shopping carts like Magento or Shopify)

[@purpleshadow5817]

Hello there, I'am a JS user Please do not say that *JS* is ugly. It hurts some people feelings (including me)

[@TheRafark]

Js = a Frankenstein

[@malcomgreen4747]

PHP is the king of the web 80% of the web is powered by PHP

[@arunabraham9382]

I never seen interoperablity and package management couple in any language like PHP. Let me know if you have anything like PSR PHP-FIG and Composer

[@garyriehle239]

I love that Jeffrey kept mentioning Wordpress and Laravel. 64% of the web is wordpress. the end.

[@davidhabert]

I've been experimenting with different programming languages for many years now. But when I do client side scripting I still use JavaScript as appose to JQuery, but for server side scripting my go to language is PHP all the way. However some of you guys may hate what I'm about to say, I still use PHP5 as I'm not certain about backward compatibility with PHP7 or 8. If anyone says to me that PHP is a dead language, I would say then how do you explain that most of the popular CMS programs use PHP as it's base. I did so some coding with PERL and I hated it, web development with PYTHON I wouldn't touch with a ten foot barge pole.

[@petronini]

He've been learning It during 280 hours, and at the bottom I eneded up hating It. I hate to write -> for acces to a propery of a clases; I hate to write => instead of : and so on

[@mohihsan6081]

Pemrograman web di Indonesia mayoritas masih pakai PHP

[@초록송아지-t7u]

PHP 🙌

[@prestonkhumbula1219]

So lovely to see the big leagues coming together so as to correct the heresy being spread by rookie devs

[@tgblinks]

PHP Pays my bills. Still use it till date

[@bjunte2113]

The reason why I like JS over PHP is that whenever I want to start a new project (no matter what for: desktop, mobile, frontend, backend or full stack) I can use the same language. Because of that I save a lot of time without having to switch between different syntax and rules. And because you can use it for everything, you get better and better at it so you will use it even more. It is like the perfect Swiss Army knife.

[@michaels8336]

JavaScript is bloated and verbose because it tries to be too much.

[@noroi_289]

The JS ecosystem is a mess

[@not_a_cool_handle]

ok ok ok after more than 15 years, i'm gonna take a look at what's new

[@fafaratze]

i like php because im in control of how i do programming.😁

[@bergglobus2428]

The thing that bothers me about php is the php.ini and extension system and ofc the inconsistency of the std library

[@pawelabrams]

There are sane defaults docker images on the Web, which is what you would use in a corporate environment anyway nowadays... And it's no different than configuring Gradle or VSproj file imo, it's just something you put in the server config, not in the compiler settings.

[@ramomen]

finally someones says truths. god thanks

[@mrgerbeck]

The benefit of PHP is that there are a lot of great offers; a great ecosystem. That said, PHP is a chore to do functional style programming in. The JS ecosystem allows a single language to be written for both BE and FE and also has a great ecosystem. It is also much friendly to a FP style of programming. Frameworks like Svelte, Remix, etc. are creating very compelling solutions going beyond full stack, all the way to edge compute and more complex distributed systems.

[@SsaliJonathan]

As a programmer who uses Python most of the time, PHP is not dead. PHP is the reason as to why we enjoy most of the services like Facebook.

[@vikramsuryawanshi4335]

PHP will never die

[@xnotkingdev]

PHP is simply the best.

[@iloginu]

PHP проживет дольше, чем мы с вами 😂

[@idcashflow]

ive been using php from 3.0 and till now :D

[@bulent2435]

As a PHP developer, and Laravel lover, I think all languages except Javascript and high performance ones in the web world will eventually die. The reason for that is the newbies start with learning Javascript. Then they need something else to develope along with their web sites. And they realize that JS can be used for that purpose too. That means there is no need to learn a new language. PHP's weakness is not only its legacy, but also its limitations. We should be able to buıild destop and mobile apps with PHP. IMHO, a language can be used primarely on the web can't survive agains the veraity offered by JS.

[@bjunte2113]

That is the exact reason why I like JS over PHP. Whenever I want to start a new project (no matter what for: desktop, mobile, frontend, backend or full stack) I can use the same language. Because of that I save a lot of time switching between different syntax and rules. And because you can use it for everything, you get better and better at it so you will use it even more. It is like the perfect Swiss Army knife.

[@khangle6872]

@@bjunte2113 then learn C#, you can build anything with C#, including reactive frontend with WebAssembly

[@Stoney_Eagle]

Since php is 70% of the web and 70% of the people speak English I am going to use that one as a reply 😂

[@Beauford-eo9rw]

Used to love it, but in the last 10 years has become mostly useless with the releases of PHP 7 and 8. I am retiring this year so can finally just say goodbye to it.

[@edcarlo]

they hate things they don't understand

[@alexios4392]

What is a roadmap for PHP?

[@bubblesort6368]

- basic syntax - sql - any popular framework (laravel, symfony etc) - some linter (phpstan, psalm etc) - the same as another langs Most frameworks in php cover all your needs instead of golang or nodejs, when you build custom boilerplates for each project with big amount of independent libs.

[@JCAPI]

PHP All the way for me.

[@dukeofnorfolk1842]

Php ain't dying, ruby is lmao

[@DarkLogic911]

Leaved php coding 5 years ago (around php 7). Yeah there was a ton of improvment and such, but imho i still think is dead.

[@ahmadeyamin3836]

💪 PHP

[@orhanahmadov9381]

PHP is making money. Just business.

[@rhoeat]

zero technical reasoning comparing with other dead languages like ruby! yet it has become better but really one write web in any language!

[@1ight5peed]

PHP: The bill payer

[@soniablanche5672]

how is the most used backend language "dead" ?

[@Cognitoman]

its not dead, but its dying slowly. I don't like Php way to inconsistent with how it does things and counter intuitive, Not to mention dealing with .htaccess files and setting up environment is a pain the ass. I get it some people will say "Its easy to set up environment" yeah if your doing super basic shit it is.

[@kiv0x]

The reason I despise php is the resource handling of php-fpm, no matter how much you configure it, it can't handle as much as say a compiled language with a static frontend using js, or if you prefer ssr as php is, next as it renders everything in rust and again serves it staticly. To me it just doesn't scratch that spot, especially when scaling a project. It's only advantage to me is you don't need to pack as much stuff to get it up and going.

[@freaklore]

Trongate PHP check it out

[@Cognitoman]

lol! I like the dude that made it, hes a cool dude, but in my honest opinion its not very good framework.

[@AvinashSewpersadh]

Guilty...last coded in 2008 in php

[@tito-ace]

how about jquery for php.

[@LowrollerWTF]

I liked laravel 8 until I was forced to embrace React due to the fact livewire was a total letdown. I needed a website with a lot of interaction that also performed well on SEO. Long story short I ditched laravel and embraced NextJS. Since I moved to JS for both front and backend it has been so much easier and the community effort to develop packages and educational content is way bigger than what PHP has ever been. I liked Laravel and I think PHP has its uses but at the time when I had to take this choice inertia was suitable only for SPAs and also the documentation for Vapor left much to be desired...

[@khangle6872]

Livewire is a backend solution for UI, of course it cannot compared to React or Vue in their native enviroment On the otherhand, Inertia had offer SSR support for while sometimes, you could also pair nextjs frontend with laravel backend

[@DarylMalibiran]

PHP is NOT dead but it's slowly dying.

[@psy237]

i am very sorry this is now the third video that states php is dead, that's the only reason I'm here, cause NO ONE SAYS THAT; LITERALLY! So what is this joke of a statement?!

[@stephanmeijer]

PHP is pretty shit. But nowadays Symfony & Laravel makes it pretty usable.

[@jeferson-guedes]

tell me what the foundation is, for php to be shit, for you

[@NabiKAZ]

Just last of the video 11:01 😂💪

[@OfferZenOrigins]

We prefer 0:01.

[@bestopinion9257]

$php $makes $money $$$$

[@NabiKAZ]

آخرش تیکشو به جاوا اسکریپت انداخت :D

[@bobby3003]

Hackers are always happy if they see that PHP is in the stack 😂😂

[@bubblesort6368]

Security almost independent from the programming language. If you do not use prepared statements or not escape output it is not a php problems...

[@khangle6872]

Funny how Laravel is one of the most secure web framework out of any language

[@jameshello38]

I am a laravel developer but for some reason I am working on a Joomla 3 project 😭😭

[@iducreyes]

A1

[@hamzakhiar3636]

What it does not have is node_modules 4:18

[@alberto4509]

PHP just made me $500 bucks a month so i dont think so

[@KnuffChatTV]

The problem is more likely to be where you come from. In most western countries you will get $3300-$12000 per month depending on your experience.

[@hasnatsafder7463]

1- Can anybody except saying PHP is great bla bla bla mention some technical reasons on how PHP is great. Laravel using it for provisioning AWS is not a reason of why it’s great. 2- Asynchronous programming ? Really? All major languages have that. PHP is just catching up. 3- Composer is good. But it’s not like npm and pip etc are not good. They probably are better and offer much more libraries. Npm specially for backend and frontend. 4- Serverless? PHP is far behind other languages. AWS lambda doesn’t even support PHP as a language. AWS lambda even has GO and Ruby but not PHP. 5- I will concede the point that PHP is really quick and easy to get started with. Its database connections is really easy and useful. Auto loading in PHP is amazing. Documentation is vast. Magic methods and reflection classes are great specially now with attributes. Imagick is a great library still. Maybe PHP is still missing generics and debugging. It’s far behind other languages in having a clear framework or set of rules for microservices. But please don’t just blindly say PHP is great. Just like don’t blindly say PHP is dead. Give some technical reasons.

[@jcl6861]

Php has async programming. Look into swoole /open swoole

[@jcl6861]

Debugging? Xdebug been around for as land as php was. Sdebug if you use swoole.

[@paulgupta2454]

Was this sponsored by Apple?

[@OfferZenOrigins]

Why? Did they say something?

[@samarbid13]

PHP is like talking in the western world about China or India!

[@tolulopedahunsi4380]

No actually, its like talking about India. People think India is this slum they see on TV until i lived there for 10 years and its amazing place

[@pephathalok]

They just repeat same points one after another: "php changed", "old critics doesn't apply", "we are legion" - same decade-old points. Sure bud, php is not dead. It just smells like that.

[@santanubiswas5354]

PHP is not dead, true, but the salaries of the devs working with PHP are.

[@RealHomeboy]

Wrong interpretation of statistics. There are just more salaries in the pool of “bad” developers.

[@santanubiswas5354]

@@RealHomeboy I am a PHP developer and cleared many interviews in many big companies but salary is the issue in PHP

[@bopal93]

Which country are you talking about?

[@santanubiswas5354]

@@bopal93 India

[@alen4945]

Nice try. I've been refusing to use PHP as it was crap in 2002, so I was still using Perl. I've moved to PHP later in about 2010 when front/back code separation became standard (and now you are trying to Mix it again), used few frameworks and I'm using Laravel for last year - Holly Shit how bad it is!!! Holly shit, what are you doing in it?! Magic can not be good. Everything can be done in multiple ways - how that makes it easier? Entire point of framework is to have some standard. It's faster to build some things from scratch in PHP than to track down documentation. Building bad framework on bad language can not be good. Backward compatibility sucks. It is practical for some use, but that makes it worse as beginners are pushing out crappy packages. There are a lot of bad tutorials and false information out there. Some are version dependable, but there is no information for which version it is related to. Symphony was better. Moving to GO. The only thing why PHP is still popular is WP, which is even worse.

[@khangle6872]

If you are using a framework and expecting to not read the doc, then you are probably not fit for a dev "Everything can be done multiple way, how is this good?" Like any other language? C# had multiple way to achieve the same thing the the doc list them all. JS had like a hundred thing that do the same job. And dont even get me started on C/ C++ "It is faster to write plain php than to use framework" try to rebuild facebook in plain php vs in the framework and say it again

[@krtirtho]

No, I haven't come here to watch this video. I'm here to unveil the biggest truth *The dead never come back*