Phrozen Sonic Mighty 14k Revo Review - How the MIGHTY HATH FALLEN

[@FauxHammer]

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[@Zuluknob]

"this printer is shit" buy it here... lmao

[@FauxHammer]

@@Zuluknob oooh, you haven't seen the video..... I'm a little embarrassed for you making this comment... ;)

[@IgnaceVanHoeydonck]

Saturn 4 Ultra vs. Sonic Mighty Revo. Which one wins the battle in your opinion? 😃

[@Zuluknob]

@@FauxHammer Someone didn't get the joke...

[@FauxHammer]

@@Zuluknob Someone else didn't get the wink ;) xxxx

[@TrepidDestiny]

One of these days, equipment permitting, you should do a generational comparison. A "How did they age?" type series. Like the Mighty 4k vs the 14k. The Mars 1 vs Mars 4, etc. Dial them in to the best of your abilities, and compare the prints, while also comparing their differing quality of life features. I think it would serve to highlight how far the industry has or has not progressed.

[@TheEnd]

He gets rid of most printers he reviews by selling/reselling them after his review.

[@FauxHammer]

That’s a cool idea actually…

[@FauxHammer]

I actually don’t. I tried to. I now have a store room full of them that costs me £160 a month!!!

[@marsb7]

@@FauxHammerthat’s awesome that you still keep them! Do you ever use any of them? There’s been a few you’ve reviewed that were definitely intriguing

[@AGMiniatures]

@@FauxHammer sent you an email

[@panzerschreckpete]

I so appreciate the courage it takes to make a brutally honest review like this. Hence being able to support you in my own small way.

[@FauxHammer]

Thank you so much for your kind words. I spoke to Phrozen about this with a lot of fear.

[@RainScraper]

This is why I trust reviews from hammer

[@awildtomappeared5925]

4:45 "there are some people that put prints directly on the base plate expecting dimensional accuracy, even though the base layers will be over cured and bloated anyway... I just don't get why" I do a fair amount of direct printing. I use very long base wait times, applied with UV tools allowing base layers to actually get to the right height which then allows for far lower base exposures, with most resins I can do 2-3x normal exposure on just 2 base layers for almost no warping or elephants foot, I can even print complex things like fine chain mail directly, even on my old saturn 1! And it's super useful for just making parts and printing them like you would with FDM rather than worrying about print angles and supports

[@dragonicstar2248]

I preordered the REVO and just wanted to comment on my findings, there is a switch in the options menu that will keep the printer heater running throughout the print. I confirmed with Phrozen support that this was the case and they told me it was. (this seems to be an update pushed after the first review copies shipped) My observations of my own printer chamber temp so far with this setting on have confirmed it as well. you can also turn off the setting for residue detection if you feel its flagging you a false positive and it will print just fine.... you make good reviews keep it up, just wanted to raise these points from my own findings with the printer so far.

[@FauxHammer]

I think what upsets me by reading this. Is that I was on the phone with phrozen 2 weeks ago and I was told none of this. I’d still say the resin detection is useless, so a pointless feature. I’d probably also say that whilst you can keep the heater on. It looses heat through the gaps. I need to test these in cold environments to be sure. But unfortunately. It is now summer… But if they’d told me these features were coming and could be changed. I’d have amended my review to reflect the improvement and would have praised them for showing a huge improvement regarding responsive firmware updates. Something they are not known for typically!

[@windforward9810]

My question is when did dragon talk to them, when was the 1st update done.

[@FauxHammer]

@@windforward9810 sorry, when did what happen?

[@mattc1898]

Similar experience. I just disabled foreign object detection and it prints fine. Also snagged mine with a 20% off coupon which significantly helps the value proposition

[@SgtHouse]

Thank you for another great video! Also, the reason why I enjoy watching your videos so much is your detention to detail, the break down on specs, and comparisons with other products. Plus, you help break it down to the average person as well keeping it fun and entertaining with your sense of humor and sketches. (Reverse unboxing, the life size Woverine bust in the background, etc....) But most of all I respect the way you keep things honest and at times give us a "buyers beware" on a product that may or may not be the thing we are looking for. :)

[@Choom42]

I'm glad I pulled the trigger with tge Saturn 4 ultra at almost a third of the price. Great review Ross! Once again, you pulled it as honest as you can be, that can only help the company in the future with critical pros and cons but also for the consumer(us).

[@FauxHammer]

Thanks, I agree and I hope that’s the case! I’d like to see them back on top.

[@swaslaukinonome]

I can't see this Phrozen getting into my shopping cart when Elegoo's new Saturn 4 Ultra plus all the other goodies I want are still not going to be hardly 2/3 the price all in with extra consumables included. I want to give it a little bit, though, I really like Phrozen in general, just seems like kind of an in-between-generations product here.

[@Dr_Evil_Prime]

Ross, you’re easily the paragon reviewer for the hobby printers. This review was well articulated, in-depth and entertaining. I’ve been hanging fire until your review on the Revo. I’m not convinced on the Saturn, I’ve owned a couple of them and they’re not great machines. Personally, I’m hoping Uniformation bring out the GK3 and continue on the success of the GK2.

[@FauxHammer]

GK3? What's that? Watch this space...

[@msp5616]

I guess phrozen marketing buzz with the heater is... "the cold never bothered me anyway" Another honest yet optimistic review, Ross, i thank you!

[@FauxHammer]

I missed so many puns in this video! I’m off my game!

[@robse1002]

The release of this video just made my day! Thanks Ross ❤

[@FauxHammer]

I guess you haven’t watched it yet…. Or bought a different machine

[@robse1002]

@@FauxHammer I haven't fully, but I got the gist of it... I just wanted to know which pre-order to cancel - the Saturn 4 Ultra or the Sonic Mighty Revo... and now I know. Great and honest video, as always!

[@BIGBENMACDOUCE]

Sincerity 👌this is why your channel is successful and why I love your reviews!

[@t.w.falconer3952]

Hey Ross, Generally speaking I love your videos. I love how you promote resin 3D printing and tell us (the audience) what's out there and what's available. Seriously: thank you for that. I really appreciate it. There is one point of criticism that I have though. You tend to go on a rant about how bad ACF film is. You say it obscures fine details on modern high detail printers, but you also say (sometimes in the *same* video) that modern 14k and 12k printers are not much better that the older 8k printers (24 micron vs 28.5 micron) because you can't see those details anyway (especially when you prime the model for painting). There is one thing about ACF film that maybe you've never realised, or at least you've never mentioned: ACF improves reliability of prints!!! Because ACF lowers peel forces, the chances of a failed print drop significantly. Now if you know what you're doing (which I assume you do) or if you just increase your exposure a little to guarantee print success (negating the ACF detail argument), the odds of a print failure won't be much of an issue for you. However for those of us who print from widely varying sources, with varying pre-support quality, having a liner which gives me a higher chance of a successful print anyway is priceless. (I don't increase the printing speed, I want more reliable prints) I have an Anycubic Photon D2 and use anti-aliasing, and I have now installed ACF with fantastic results. I have had only one print failure across many different prints using different resins and STLs from different sources. Now I do realise that with DLP the detail blur effect of ACF is mitigated, but if you use anti-aliasing you will have the same effect as ACF on your prints anyway. So it makes little to no difference. This increase in reliability has been so profound that I now recommend that *everyone* who does not have a tilting vat resin printer, as least consider installing ACF as their default. Not having to worry about print failures is IMO so much more important that the finest details you can only see using a magnifying glass. Cheers and happy printing.

[@anne-marie1039]

Can you recommend any printers. Seems like you know your stuff. Im looking for a new one and this reviews point about the heater made me reconsider getting the Revo. I need a heating solution but also want the no-leveling / vat tilting features. Is there anything with all of those features combined?

[@FauxHammer]

Thanks so much. I just font get the value if having a sharp printer to then reduce the quality of that sharpness with ACf. If you see the benefit sure. But if using it. Why buy a super sharp expensive printer and reduce quality… just buy an old 2k printer and get the best of both worlds. But I don’t mention it because I’m not now doing videos on old printers. Appreciate the comment though, you aren’t wrong. I also see the benefit of it in big printers roo

[@FauxHammer]

Nope, sorry. For heating I still want the GKtWO. For tilting, the Saturn. Haven’t seen anything doing a combo of thes features

[@Skott62]

Stay honest and true to your viewers. This is why I watch your videos. You have integrity and your content is great. Thank you.

[@boomkruncher325zzshred5]

About the heater and potential issues (I got a Bachelors in Mechanical Engineering and got into thermal stuff for my Master’s at one point, but I’m yet to get a 3D printer so I’m very much looking at this as an outsider getting ready for their first printer even though I have some technical know-how): You are right that these are potential issues. Here’s the catch: how drastically does this affect the final product? I believe your experience, believe me, but I need some numbers about the thermal performance, and I’m gonna ask some questions that seem dumb but if answered can help explain why Phrozen went with this solution instead of more direct heating solutions. How big a temp difference is the top of the enclosure vs. by the resin vat? Are there fans circulating air inside the enclosure, aside from the extractor area? Does the heater click on if a temperature sensor detects a drop in temperature below a certain point? Where’s the sensor location, if it has one? If it doesn’t have an sensor, some engineer probably did some thermal calculations and figured out “It should on average cool X degrees in Y minutes, so heater should click back on at Z minute intervals to maintain temperature.” Yes, as long as the data used to calculate this result is accurate, an engineer can figure out something that esoteric. Some thoughts running through my head that can be checked/verified/explained by you if you know the answers to these: Yeah that seems like a hefty difference in temperature between the top and bottom, but you have to check the numbers. Is it a 2 degree difference, a 15 degree difference, etc.? The colors of the thermal camera alone are not enough, you have to check the legend of what temps are associated with which color, then see the difference in temps between the vat and the top of the enclosure. If it’s only a 2-3 degree C difference in temperature, as long as the resin is within 2-3 degrees of the target temperature things should work out. While I understand feeling sketch about it, in your experience can resin easily handle a difference of 2-3 degrees C from your desired temperature set point without significant changes in its desired material properties, I.e. is the temp change enough to screw with the final product noticeably? Naturally if the temperature difference is WAY bigger, then of course this is a more serious issue to address. Also, does the manuals explicitly call this a pre-heater? Do the instructions say if the heater ever clicks on after a bit to maintain temperatures where you want to set them? Have you seen it clicking back on after it cools a little? If it does click on again, then that would solve the concerns about the unit cooling off: the heater would click back on to reheat the air to get the vat to the desired temperature. Honestly the biggest heat loss would be through the gaps you mentioned and the exhaust port, but it depends on how much air leaks out those gaps vs. how long the vat needs to stay at your desired temperature. And the extractor hose port placement would be a bigger deal if the heater was running constantly. When the heater isn’t running, the extractor fan would pull from the cooler air in the bottom of the enclosure, encouraging the hot air to come down mechanically and circulate above the resin (and transfer its heat), if only by a small amount. Honestly, Phrozen probably don’t run the heater constantly because that burns continuous energy just to get air to X temperature, which doesn’t look good when trying to determine environmental impact of thousands of 3D printers across the country running at once. It might be a difference of only a few continuous watts of electricity vs. a quick burst of 30 watts for only a few minutes at a time, but it adds up over time and over thousands of units in residential homes. If you keep an air heater running all the time, you’re gonna hit a point where you’re just wasting energy keeping the darn thing on. Big bonus to the air heater though: the tech is extremely well understood and dirt cheap to implement accurately, probably way cheaper than a direct conduction vat heater. Vat heaters have to be in contact with the vat, and continuously running, in order to be effective, I assume, unless the vat heater is like the Uniformation GKTwo where there’s an air chamber underneath that heats the vat like an electric range lol. Either way, it might be more expensive in the long run to have a direct vat heater mod as it would be on more often for longer periods of time, and the heat has to penetrate the vat walls before it can heat the resin. Given enough time I’m sure they are both effective, but the more material is between the resin and the heater the less efficient that heater would become. Perhaps Phrozen had an intern do some heat transfer calc comparisons and found the heat transfer from hot air to resin was more effective than heat transfer from direct vat heater to vat wall to resin, and that’s why they did things this way? Won’t know unless they speak up about it! As always, direct experience is meant to validate the theory and maths. I appreciate it for reading through my engineering nerd-out, and I defer to your direct experience over my armchair conjecture! Cheers mate, your channel has been very helpful!

[@mirao3o3o]

A very well thought out and knowledgable video. I really like how you include useful details like the dimension with the lid open. Your reviews do a great job not only with teaching about the specific the printer, but also in general educating myself on what to look out for in resin printers. Still happy with my pre order of S4U using your link.

[@FauxHammer]

Thanks so much, I really appreciate your encouragement!

[@TheRoamingbison]

I’ve owned the mini 8k and the mini 8ks but I have been soured on the brand from the experience. The 8k died prematurely from a dead USB port. The 8ks has too many resin compatibility issues so I switched to the Mars 4 Ultra. The Phrozen light source delivers subpar performance with some non Phrozen resins. I had weird issues with weak and crumbly prints with resins that print perfectly on other machines. I also question whether anyone who understands 3d printing is involved with the design of these machines or if their marketing teams just slap together popular features from other brands without understanding why those features are desirable.

[@hightde13]

Another great video. I hope you don't see too much push back. I am a Phrozen fan since the original sonic mini (2k, old school) and I had a lot of the same criticisms when the Revo was about to launch. the 14k is just to stay 'competitive' with the market and nothing more. It kinda felt like they wanted to tick all the 'wanted' boxes but bolted them on instead of building them in, if that makes sense. In the end they made a machine that had more features than last gen but wasn't any /smarter/ than last gen, which is what I'm starting to look for in new machines. Maybe it is just the cheap part of me but I would have much rather seen them release a Might 8K S machine this year and put out a smarter more innovative mid sized machine next year. Thanks again for the video, very informative as always!

[@FauxHammer]

And to say they have been working on this since I reviewed the mighty… it’s sad I want Phrozen back on top where they belong. I hope this is a wake up call and nita. Death knell. 14k is such a buzz word that I praise Elegoo for sticking with 12k

[@sixstringslayaguitarman419]

@fauxhammer I love your non bias honesty when it comes to the printer reviews. I was debating on ordering this new Phrozen or the new Saturn 4 ultra. I went with the Saturn4 ultra and I'm so glad I did. Your video on the S4 helped soldify my opinion that I made the right choice!

[@camonestero]

2 things 1. You can't it out of the ball park every time (like you said still a good product, just not where expectations normally would be) 2. If Phrozen would not have listened to you, I would be looking at another company... how would you ever make a better product, if you are not willing to listen. Looking at getting into Resin printing, it's good to know this info before hand... last thing anyone needs is a fan boy covering up issues or placating. This video sold me on Phrozen as a company, just need to figure on the model now. Thanks for the review.

[@sebastian_gawel]

I really appreciate Phrozen for their printers, which at first were amazing quality/price. This REVO looked good in the promotional videos and I thought about buying it, but when I saw the price... Later a friend of mine who is a jeweler called me and we talked about this printer for 2 hours. After our conversation I was speechless and your review was the "nail in the coffin". I bought the MARS 5 Ultra for $300. I immediately thought that all these ill-considered additions to the Revo were an act of hysteria towards cheap Chinese printers, whose build quality blew me away.

[@King_Vai]

As someone with a budding interest in resin 3D printing (GW left me behind with price increases in the middle of a recession) I watched some content and believed that the newer forays into printers with elegoo for example were trying to raise their reputation and the quality of the 3D printing space with growth such as the tilting vat. I would love a video comparing brands at different price points because most other reviews seem to be mostly positive for every printer and maybe that means there isn't much of a difference other than price? Keep making great, honest content!

[@joeljenkins7092]

I appreciate your honest and insightful information. Keep it up!

[@FauxHammer]

Thank you, I certainly plan to…

[@JohanEinevik]

Thanks for the honest review! I have been printing on the 8k mini since it came out and are now looking for something bigger. Have been waiting for this one, and it looks like it's producing some high-quality prints! The ad on features like the camera, light and filter is just fun gimmicks that I wish would be optional but the heater funktion I really see the value of the review. Are there any software updates that have made the printer better since this review? Like the falce object detection problem that sounded like a real pain... Are the features like wifi and app connection really any advantages? Does the mighty 12k have this? Again, thanks for the honest review!

[@holymuffin1]

I struggled this past winter getting prints to succeed with a GK2 in a garage, and I can tell you that having ambient temps inside the enclosure be too high or fluctuate (since the heater turns on and off) means the print and the build plate will change shape at different rates, which will cause heavy prints to detach and fall into your vat. I think this is probably the most destructive and catastrophic failure you can have in terms of damage to your vat, screen, and release membrane barring some homer simpson bullshit

[@LorenzNijs]

just an FYI, you can turn off all the smart features, so even if the smart detection feature doesn't work well or is too sensitive, you can turn it off so it doesn't give you issues until they maybe find a software fix for it. I agree it should just work properly from the get-go, but I feel like in a review this should be mentioned instead of making it seem like you can't get around this issue.

[@FauxHammer]

I would have done this if Phrozen pointed it out when I spoke to them and detailed all of the issues. Perhaps that was added in the forward after i gave them this feedback

[@LorenzNijs]

@@FauxHammer i suppose there might be some software things that differ in these early ones that go out to creators like yourself. I saw a video from another creator specifically mention and show that you can turn these off, so i figured that was just standard.

[@miguellopez3392]

Led lights will cure resin over time, this is more of a problem if you have residue, it will make Hader to clean off the vat and splashes, using a LED that doesn't do this is basically a dim red LED so it's not optimal. As for chamber heaters, its better if the heater has a fan only mode if the tempatures are above normal so it circulates the air around the chamber to make it more even.

[@ramblingbadger]

Blind reach-around a sexy box? I'd buy that for a dollar. Thanks for your honest review Ross. Also that mask thingy you painted up at the end looks worthy of its own video!

[@ger5956]

Incredible work as always Ross, brutally honest, but respectful. 👍🏻

[@FauxHammer]

Thanks, I wanted to be super respectful to these guys as they have treated me respectfully too

[@Eden_Xiii]

Common sense seems to have gone out the window with manufacturers and they just seem to be more bothered about pumping out machines quicker to keep up with other brands. Heat rises, not rocket science, basics. How do you heat resin? Heat the location it is stored i.e. the VAT! Great honest video.

[@steadylake1084]

want to get into resin 3d printing and wanted to ask, when refilling the vat, why do you pour the resin onto the plate and let it drip down vs pouring it into the vat directly?

[@FauxHammer]

Just because it’s more cinematic, that’s all

[@NathanBest]

Looks like I'll be sticking with my 8Ks and wraparound vat heaters for a while yet...

[@FauxHammer]

fair enough! though the Mega 12k is pretty decent too!

[@10125Studios]

Would love a link to those wrap around vat heaters. Love my mini 8ks but that would be helpful

[@death2all79zx]

Do you have a link to either the product page or installation video or review about those wraparound vat band heaters?

[@Jsh298]

Great balanced honest review. I hope phozen take on board the feedback and work to improve it.

[@lordnovas]

I have an Air heater and I don't think its the way. Your resin will cool down faster than the hot air will heat it up. The air heater is great for keeping the printer temp at status quo, so if your room cools down during overnight prints an air heater will help But you need to combine it with a printer Cover that can retain heat.

[@FauxHammer]

And a heater that comes in during a print….

[@awildtomappeared5925]

Please try that flat test again with a 20-40s wait before print, I promise it will look way better.

[@TheAllKnowing113]

Now that we have a new generation of Resin Printers, for those willing to spend more money for reliability, as long as it also solves many of the items you pointed out in the video specifically around ease of use; i.e. wifi enabled, heated vats, etc. Which printer(s) would you recommend or which top 2 should be given serious consideration between?

[@originalSPECTER]

Did it come with tubing for the vent? That's honestly the main thing I'm worried about, how to get rid of fumes. I'll have to run it in a basement/office so ease of proper ventilation is the deal maker/breaker.

[@williamharp1196]

I actually did buy this printer, I wouldn’t buy it as a consumer tho, I bought it for my work as a prosumer, I liked the quality, ease of use, and ease of maintenance, we will see how it goes when I start running it.

[@alexfoster3507]

@FauxHammer alternative resin cleaning. Unrelated comment but wanted to mention the option in case you or someone else benefits from this. For washing resins propylene glycol is amazing. Results similar to IPA, wayyyy less toxic as a washing medium, it doesn't even release much resin chemicals, it's non flammable and it even lasts longer than IPA. How to use PPG? Instead of a wash station use an ultrasonic cleaner and when the fluid is dirty you get it cold around - 2 Celsius (freezer or outside weather permitting) and the resin separates out of the fluid and you can separate it easily. Last caveat I have heard it doesn't work well with sunlu resins. Hope that helps someone!

[@FauxHammer]

Thanks, may check that out

[@TheLevitatingChin]

Phrozen is overpriced. How can this sell for $1000 compared to the superior Elegoo Saturn 4 Ultra at $400.

[@antoniomromo]

Thanks for the honesty good sir. I'm excited to hear what printer you recommend for someone looking to print minis. I like the larger size because it lets me print models in bigger parts or entirely.

[@FauxHammer]

Thanks. I still love the gktwo for its simplicity. But if you have a heated room. Saturn 4 ultra

[@Izmirization]

Glad to see heaters in the next gen printers even if this one is clowning with the implementation

[@djornfevrier4799]

Why haven't you reviewed the formlabs? Just curious as to why formlabs 2 3 and 4 aren't considered in any of your videos?

[@mark4cele7]

Great video like always!!!!! i love watching your reviews

[@rushabhsoni407]

Sir which other printer gives buttery smooth surface like this ? Please Enlighten

[@Nosferatuklown]

As a consumer (and fan) I find reviews that are fan boys telling me I'm a moron for not loving "xxx" printer useless. To me showing me why something isn't desirable is more valuable than people that keep going "14k! Best printz ever!". If you say something sucks...not helpful either but something like this video in your format is perfect. "It does or does not have this, and that effects this"...that's what I want from reviews. Thank you for this.

[@FauxHammer]

Thanks, that’s what I aim to do. It’s not my job to love or hate any machine. It’s my job to show you what it does and make an opinion about each aspect. It’s your call if you buy it. If a brand doesn’t sell a printer off the back of one of my reviews…. Make a better printer.

[@wibbey1342]

Great review: honest, constructive and entertaining. You don’t happen to have a video about printing at different layer heights or a practical guide on how to achieve the best detail / model accuracy for larger prints. Print orientation, supports, layer heights that sort of thing. I am struggling with printing a tank in two parts without corners lifting or surfaces warping. Straight flat surfaces are looking wavy :(

[@pariahzero]

Here's where I comment about a video I'm watching at the beginning, and before I watch it all the way through because I respect the effort that goes into to making it. Now do it with an 18" subwoofer flexing.

[@neileddy6159]

Good review, I do not own this printer, but do own the markedly worse, but significantly less expensive anycubic m5s pro. I have owned it for 2 weeks now. I knew going in I wasn't going to see 14k but as I was upgrading from my original mono 2k printer I expected a step up in quality. I also enjoy the larger print area. I think the anycubic printer with its scab on double side tape heater has a slight advantage over the Phrozen one in that it runs the whole time, as I run my printer in the garage in an area that can sometimes drop into negative temps that is appreciated because it just keeps the air warm inside, however it is not ideal, it should be in integrated part of the printer. I still heat my resin before I print using an external heater then let the temp controlled air and printer running take care of the rest. Also I am not a fan of whomever decided to go with rectangular pixel shape. Generally though as someone who is just printing dnd minis it is more than enough for what I need. Eventually it would be nice if any of the big 3 got their act together enough to create something seamlessly engineered.

[@getjinxed7354]

All these new printers just make me annoyed anycubic cut support for the M3 premium so quickly... I had m3 premuim that i loved and worked great they i parted ways with cus i did not want to have to deal with no screen replacements being available. I saw this previewed and was going to go with this but then saw the 1k price tag and thought nope and this review makes me glad i did. i bought the m5 pro and had so many issued with it in first week i just returned it. I preorder the m7 at the early bird discount. hoping the m7 can deliver the exp i had with m3 if not guess ill try the saturn 4 ultra

[@Venturestien]

So I have a question, if Anycubic and Phrozen made price and design choices that are easy for the ELEGOO to trump with the Sat 4,then have those other companies always been trying to shovel in money by overpricing printers or did ELEGOO take a bit of a loss on the Sat 4? Seems crazy that ELEGOO hit the golden price point vs features and everyone else missed the target.

[@doombringer4519]

Maybe Elagoo front the money they made from the Neptune series and used it to fund the Saturn 4 at a cheaper price point. But it's crazy that the 4 Ultra has almost MORE features for less money, as long as a heater isn't a concern, and from the video Frozens heater isn't exactly great

[@Venturestien]

@@doombringer4519 I like this theory. If the strategy is to be the leader in the market this would be a good strategy. if the next Saturn is the leader again at a competitive price my mind is going to be blown. Lol. I’m wondering if unifromation will add the tilting vat design in their next version, or if the future Saturn will have a tilting AND heated vat. If they do, spiders will be able to move into my wallet. Haha

[@FauxHammer]

Honestly, I think, and this is just a guess, Elegoo have so much revenue share from the incredible performance of their last 2 generations, that they have bought so much product in bulk, that they can afford to do it at this price. But I think they undercut themselves this time around. They could have easily charged $100 more if not $150

[@Venturestien]

@@FauxHammer that’s kinda what I’m thinking too. I feel like they took a loss, maybe not in profit but profit at a lower bracket. Their next gen may try and compete with the GKtwo, if they do I feel like that’s good for consumers :). Actually let’s hope all the other brands follow these upgrade features as screen res may be maxed out and they can market better screens anymore at that price point. Just my thoughts.

[@TheChadwokie]

:D your probably going to hate this suggestion, BUT :D i think it would be a really good test to get some temp probes and testing the reliability of the temp the printer reports because i bet that reading is only being taken from one place.

[@FauxHammer]

Did you see the 3 thermal camera read is with the lid open and closed?

[@TheChadwokie]

@@FauxHammer i did :) did that confirm the temperature reading from the printer? Is the printers reading from ambient temperature inside/outside the enclosure, is the resin the same temp? (not meaning to sound like a A&s just curious how accurate printers temp readings are)

[@TheChadwokie]

what im curious about is where the printer is taking its temp reading from? did phrozen put in additional temp probs or is it just taking a temp from the pcb and the processor. does that make much sense? (ideally you would want a temp reading from the vat right?)

[@FauxHammer]

@@TheChadwokieyeah that makes sense, and I have no idea where the temp probe is located. But I tested my thermal can with objects using other if temp readers and turning things like my heating on along with fdm printer bed temps to see if it is accurate, imo it was close enough that this is telling. But you can still see the temperature “difference” and that more heat is towards the top of the machine That told me enough

[@anne-marie1039]

I also appreciate the honesty, like the other viewers. Makes me actually reconsider getting it, since i need a reliable heating solution for my new living situation. But the Revo seems to be more than suboptimal with that. Is there any other printer that has no-leveling / bed tilting and a good heating solution. Along with good quality and reasonable size of course... Id love to get some recommendations to research into. Im a bit lost now. Will stick with my Mars 3 for now, since its warm enough now to keep printing atm. But i really wanna upgrade. Im tired of the buildplate leveling and the small bed.

[@FauxHammer]

Honestly the GKtWO still ticks the boxes you’ve asked to be ticked

[@rookmorrigan8379]

I love Phrozen. They have been a workhorse of a printer for me. But it does feel like the extra features are added as an afterthought over being designed with the features in mind. Also a big question for the failure detection. Is there a way to turn it off?

[@FauxHammer]

Agreed, and I believe you can turn it off, mines packed away now so I can’t check

[@JAFC315]

As always, this has been an excelent quality video, great work Ross!... I'm looking forward to purchase a resin printer but I'm having a hard time choosing if I should go for one of the latest gen printers? Or go for a Gk2 or phrozen mighty 12k... what would you recommend?

[@FauxHammer]

Honestly, I haven;t made my mind up yet. I need to see the M7 and GKThree

[@JAFC315]

​@@FauxHammer Thanks for your thoughts! Do you know if there's any possible timeframe where the gk3 might be released?

[@thedorklylionchannel415]

The gktwo heater is terrible for your lcd.. which you want to stay cool

[@FauxHammer]

yeah, you;re right, in the last 2 years we've had hundreds of reports of the GKTWO LCD dieing too soon because of this extra heat. oh wait.... no we haven't it;s 30 degrees, it's nothing! Think of the Heat an LCD TV produces in comparison?

[@thedorklylionchannel415]

@@FauxHammer The point is a standard LCD cools down without extra heat applied to the most important part, and it’s good practice to keep your electronics cool. I’d much rather have a vat heater than trying to warm my resin up from behind my lcd

[@getjinxed7354]

​@@thedorklylionchannel415quality LCD screens can stand temp to 150 degrees. You screen 99 times out of 100 will die just from it useful life cycle over being heated too much.

[@glitchinthematrix9306]

Is this one better for casting jewellery than a phrozen 8k or dlp d2? Which one of the three would you choose for jewellery casting using siraya tech.

[@FauxHammer]

Honestly, I doubt it matters. I’ve heard a lot of jewellery casters prefer DLP machines

[@phillipe.correia]

People print in Brazil and you will hardly ever find anywhere here it is five degrees celsius... Maybe far in the south here, but still unlikely to be this cold 90% of the year.

[@testboga5991]

Awesome to have honest reviews!

[@MrThierryFournier]

It would have more sense if the exhaust installation trap to be behind the air filter. IMO

[@mevana81]

loving your honest reviews ! thakn you

[@Grafinix]

Hi Ross, discovered your channel few days ago and as i want to begin my 3d journey you are the most informative and honest reviewer ive watched. Really thank you for that. Also i've got a question, are you going to review the anycubic photon mono m7 pro? Becouse i found just one review and ,you know, it's not as good as i believe yours would be.

[@FauxHammer]

Hiya, Yes I am going to review it but I;m being given the run-around on when I may get one.

[@gnietodeleon]

So, for a beginner what premium resin printer, would you reccommend?

[@FauxHammer]

UltraCraft Reflex RS now. But for the price of this, if you wnat pretty much the same features. Get a Saturn 4 with a heater

[@julieta203]

Will you be reviewing the Anycubic Photon Mono M7 Pro? It looks interesting

[@FauxHammer]

I’ll be seeing you back here next Tuesday ;)

[@mugetzu]

Thanks for the good video (as a MIghty 8k Owner). Does sound gimmicky over quality/useful; given i do like the screen replacement method. Have you done any stepping tests between the Revo and 8k? MY 8k is getting terrible stepping and I see posts on their FB group about it regularly. Print a vertical pillar for easiest test.

[@FauxHammer]

Thanks. No i don't tend to go into much technical details unless I see an issue in my prints and I start to investigate why... It's just not what my channel is about. There are others that do the technical tests first and I'm not about copying the format of others. I just want to give a more holistic view of the value of the product

[@GeekDetour]

@FauxHammer Geez man… We don’t like making videos that put everybody down. 😢 This was certainly a hard one to make - kudos for your commitment to the fans. They want to know what you think - it won’t be always roses. But this printer is only a disappointment when you put price in perspective. That said… now I am desperate to know if @Vogman will extend a red carpet to this one or if he will be as bluntly critic to Phrozen this time as he usually is to anybody else 😂

[@GeekDetour]

PS: VOGman’s review was already there for a month - I haven’t seen it until today. Yep. He acknowledges the flicker problem… but the criticism stops there. 🤣 For a printer with this price tag, everything should be very polished, well thought out and integrated. Elegoo’s Saturn 4 Ultra will win 2024💰

[@FauxHammer]

Thank you! He’s already done a review on this was. I was honestly shocked by his comments, especially his conclusion. He’s surely lost his way.. Honestly it’s not just the price point. All of the extended features are implemented in such a way that I would honestly prefer this machine to not have them at all to reduce the cost. But then how is this better than the mighty 8/12k?

[@chatchawankawitalo5200]

Does it affect normal use? I already ordered and paid full price.

[@chrisserra3718]

Would love to know what printer you recommend by phrozen

[@FauxHammer]

I still love the Mini 8ks, and the Mega 8k is good. Just not as feature the as the GK3 Uktra now. Even the mighty 12k is a more cost effective printer than this one

[@amperesi9576]

Just proving my splurge on the GKII was worth it

[@FauxHammer]

It was. I’m loving that printer even more now

[@Snafu00M]

Thank you for a quality review on a sub par product. I'll be avoiding this one, and looking for Phrozen's response through innovation.

[@FauxHammer]

Thank you

[@BigSooshiRoll]

I've watched so many videos as a person wanting to get in the hobby im thinking of getting a Saturn 3 ultra however im having trouble deciding if I should just preorder the Saturn 4/ultra instead should I?

[@FauxHammer]

Yes, the 4Ultra is cheaper than the 3 Ultra

[@DozenDeuce]

Great review. This is why I subscribed to you, cause you don’t pull any punches. Don’t apologize for your opinions, double down.

[@FauxHammer]

It was hard with this one due to the respect I have for the company....

[@rickyeates9810]

Thanks for the warning!!

[@FauxHammer]

Any time!

[@ricardogutierrez9869]

Where do you get those awesome stock videos?? They funny

[@FauxHammer]

Sorry, no idea, my editor adds them in

[@deneau]

Good review but I have it's direct concurrent the Apex x1 mini, and not perfect but less function. Have you test this printer. But I am satisfy by Acf agaiinst point of you.

[@FauxHammer]

Honestly, communication with that company is like pulling teeth!!! I may have one coming. No idea. and if they can't even communicate with me... How the hell can I recommend them to buyers... but the features look great!

[@BobWise]

Didn't mind spending a bit extra for the advertised features. Wifi printing doesn't work AT ALL. The "auto leveling" feature isn't "auto" AT ALL. Camera doesn't work AT ALL (firmware issue, apparantly?). With their recommended resin, doesn't print out of the box despite "auto" features. Sure, if you are going to go with off-brand resins you should expect tweaking, but this is with THEIR RECOMMENDED RESIN. This is my first try at a Phrozen printer, given this experience will be my last.

[@FauxHammer]

Im gonna assume you bought it before seeing this review? I’m sorry you are having this experience. I hope they learn from this one

[@BobWise]

​@@FauxHammer This review came out before they withdrew the firmware that supported some of these features, e.g. wifi.

[@FauxHammer]

@@BobWise woah, wiat, hang on. so they have withdrawn a firmware that allows wifi to work? I mean, wifi worked on mine with default firmware, So i;m confused.

[@BobWise]

@@FauxHammer Waiting on the official response from them as to when they might re-release.

[@FauxHammer]

@@BobWise this unfortunately is exactly what I was worried about. I've had so many whinges in these comments saying, "all the issues I pointed out are just firmware problems" 1, They aren't, unless you can fix a light installation location or the direction heat blows with firmware 2, Phrozen have a terrible history with providing Firmware Updates, which this kinda proves

[@adorante]

will you be doing the anycubic mono m7 pro?

[@FauxHammer]

definately!

[@rmfberry261]

unless they are planning on putting the product on store shelves i dont care how fancy the box is. a fancy box might not cost much more but i would ratehr them shave the cost off the price.

[@FauxHammer]

I think that is the plan

[@novamationmedia]

No, seriously. HEATED VAT! Please write that down.

[@MysterE-Man]

I don’t understand how this isn’t standard on these more expensive printers, or at least offer it as an add on!

[@novamationmedia]

You know, I'm sure there are many resin printer enthusiasts who live close to the equator. The rest of us, however, live in places where the weather changes. I print more in the winter because I have much more time for my hobby during the winter doldrums in Wisconsin. For me, heating the chamber is useless, and a heater that shuts off during the printing is less than useless. So, I need to add a fermentation belt and either run the printer with the top off, or cut a hole in the cover, which is totally pointless when I’m expected to pay extra for the snazzy flip top. This would have been a great printer when I was a noob. But, you know what? I could never have afforded this printer as a noob, and at this printer's price point, and at my current experience level, I expect much more. Sorry, for droning on, I understand this is FauxHamer's review, not mine.

[@Godonstilts]

Didn't watch... just skipped to 21:41 and heard "Buy this one it's great". Message received, off to buy this. Apparently it's great! Thanks man :)

[@FauxHammer]

Happy to help 😂🤣

[@thepaintingphase]

Personally, I'm quite a fan of the old "blind reach-around fumble".

[@FauxHammer]

You watched it!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@martingranouillet8846]

@FauxHammer thanks a lot for this review and your work. It's fair, smart and honest.Thanks a lot ! Merci beaucoup !

[@FauxHammer]

Thank you! Merci

[@FauxHammer]

Glad you liked it!

[@Tulcas]

I removed the camera on my 8k mighty it was absolutely useless. I was disappointed when I found out that the heater for the revo was a “chamber” heater. I had high hopes for this generation of resin printers but since everything is a chitubox / chitu systems and mostly all resin printers are the same thing in different paint

[@morviummarv6390]

i dont know why, but Video sound overall in this video is not that full and smooth as allways... did you change somthing ?

[@FauxHammer]

Yep. I had a lot of issues....

[@nideininger]

12:47 this really made me laugh, thanks😂

[@FauxHammer]

I wish I laughed at it… it’s sad

[@TheEnd]

Wadup Ross been a while since I commented on any of your videos but I’ve still been watching and I hope you and yours are doing well, take care bro

[@FauxHammer]

Hey man, yeah I have not seen you in a. While but your profile pic always stands out. Hope you’re doing well and thanks for staying close

[@Frity91]

love your content please hold up the good qualitit

[@Twigz11]

Drop the price by half and then it's appealing, 1k USD is insane for this

[@larry7236]

I totally agree, the price is too high compared to other "14k" printers

[@FauxHammer]

I agree. Even at 500, I’d struggle to push the benefits of this over others

[@Twigz11]

@@FauxHammer I feel much better about my Saturn 4 ultra pre order now. Which also seems a bit more noob friendly with the tilting vat.

[@alphawolves8809]

Supporting comment!!!

[@Tyraxus]

I agree with you - they are using poorly implemented and tacked on features to check boxes. It is stupid and frustrating and shows a lack of thoughtful design. They just want to build units as cheaply as possible and sell them before their next "new" model arrives. These printers are supposed to be tools for long term use - not something you replace every two years.

[@FauxHammer]

It’s not what I expected from Phrozen at all

[@InnuendoOutTheOther]

The last Phrozen review we see on this channel 😂

[@FauxHammer]

Unlikely, but potentially the last phrozen review you see

[@warm1ke304]

Nooooooo Phrozeeen!!! WHat tffff U done!!! :( Thanks faux, I Was waiting for your review to pull the trigger on it... you saved me brother, thanks a lot

[@FauxHammer]

Sorry to be the bearer of this news. I hated doing this

[@shawnfairbanks9339]

There’s too many reviews out there (and on your channel even lol)… if you had to recommend a printer right now to a brand new person with, say, $600 to spend, which one would it be? Ease of use I’d imagine would be the most important criteria, quality of the print just needs to be ‘pretty damn good’, build plate just needs to be satisfactory size for personally use (able to print whatever I want, but volume isn’t an issue because I’m not running a farm).

[@FauxHammer]

GkTwo is still the easiest

[@B3D]

im lucky to be in Malaysia never need for the heater.

[@EchoMirage72]

8:30 in and you've given the exact same disclaimer at least 3 times, and played the exact same clips at least 4 times. I wish youtube reviewers would do a much better job at getting to the fucking point.

[@FauxHammer]

I wish commenters weren't so entitled and knew what actually goes into making a video. you do realise you get this for free. do you want my opinion on this machine or not? If not, fuck off, if you do. then who gives a fuck how it's presented? This video is about showing Phrozen respect, not you.

[@EchoMirage72]

@@FauxHammer 🤣🤣

[@EchoMirage72]

@@FauxHammer While I do applaud your thin-skinned response, it doesn't change the fact that your script-writing needs work. Do I want your opinion? No. Do I find your content valuable? No. Do I wish to view content I'm interested in without someone waffling on for 9 minutes without saying anything of value? Absolutely. You can ignore of all of this and keep complaining about the comment I made, or not. It doesn't matter. But youtubers keep proving just how amatuerish they are when they can't take constructive criticism.

[@FauxHammer]

@@EchoMirage72 thanks, I will take the Ignore, option.

[@EchoMirage72]

@@FauxHammer You should have done so in the first instance.

[@catnamestaken]

Good to know.

[@ValkyrieForge1986]

yeah i think the problem is that they are really struggeling with the arc fdm printer that moste of the focus is thare becus that is haveing set back after set back, so maby this model was just pumped out so they could keep the (demand for new printer up). but is it is this bad on this machine i would happely skip this model and stay with my gktwo for now

[@FauxHammer]

I think so too

[@Dedrael81]

I loving my mini 8k. But if they produce a subpar machine with a high price tag the truth has to be told.

[@xx8arn3ybeastxx55]

Completely unrelated, what happened to flash forge

[@FauxHammer]

Who?

[@christiangruening352]

Thus Uniformation GKTwo stays strong

[@FauxHammer]

That it does

[@theldun1]

I'll stick with my Mars4 9k