Pickleball! Does 4.5 Level Play Vary From State to State? Find Out by Watching This Video.

In this video, two games played at the 4.5 level. One played in Indiana and one played in Florida. After watching, please leave a comment in the comment section and let me know if the teams from Indiana played 10 games against the teams in Florida, how many games would each team win?
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[@TeamHanlonPickleball]

My brother and I are the Indiana guys in red. I appreciate your analysis and feedback. I fully agree that we would lose almost every time against the Florida players you show. :)

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for your kind response and not being upset. Those guys are really good. I think you guys are good as well. I guess my question is, is this truly what 4.5 pickleball is like in Indiana? I ask because I consider 4.5 pickleball to be high level play.

[@TeamHanlonPickleball]

​@@pickleballpick-apart9787 I guess I'm not sure...? It's hard to objectively compare myself, but I feel like DUPR is pretty accurate. My DUPR is 4.3. Most or all of the Florida players in your video have significant higher ratings, especially Mark with a whopping 5.4. The Florida guys would all be considered solid 5.0s in Indiana.

[@anyamaboy1]

Curious, how many games and matches had you played that day, and how warm was it?

[@TeamHanlonPickleball]

@@anyamaboy1 We had played for several hours to arrive at the gold medal match. I don't remember the exact weather. Maybe 75-80 degrees.

[@larrymartin1075]

i’ve learned so much from watching your analysis’ and it’s definitely been helpful with my understanding of how to play better. i also approved how you critique players yet respectfully 👍

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks! I really appreciate it.

[@MrPhins]

There's no doubt it varies from state to state but I'm not sure how the players from Indiana are even remotely close to 4.5. While I'm no ratings expert I'd say they're much closer to 3.5 than 4.5 (even without the Florida comparison).

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for taking the time to respond. I would have to agree with what you wrote.

[@bethrenfroe6364]

What is standing out to me is the casual stance of all the players. You have stressed often to be in an athletic stance at the kitchen, but these players are standing straight up with paddle hanging down, etc. Very casual.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Good point that I should have made. Thanks for watching. Thanks for your comment.

[@bethrenfroe6364]

@@pickleballpick-apart9787 As your intro says, your videos are helping me to be a better pickle ball player. Thank you!

[@strangecorgi9477]

I looked up previous Pickleball Pirates videos where they reference player ratings for these players in the past. Mark Napartovich (5.2), Bharat "BK" Karunakaran (5.0), and David Nel (5.0). I couldn't find references for Max Green, so he must be the 4.5 player. Mark is a senior pro and BK has pro potential. It's also worth mentioning that the game in Florida is a rec game played inside at a club. The game in Indiana is at the end of a tournament and outside. Not sure the players in the Indiana tournament are at the top of their game having played all day. The comparison is apples to oranges. The state they're playing in is not particularly relevant. Theoretically, ratings are location independent. Also, people stink at self rating. You could argue, on average, play is higher in some states. But what I think people actually mean when they that is that the average player in Florida is rated higher than the average player in Indiana.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

I don't think dupr ratings are location independent. They're supposed to be, but they are not. You're only as good as the players you're playing against. Thanks for watching.

[@henry0712]

I agree that there is a tremendous disparity between the skill levels of the example teams from each state. Either team from Indiana would lose 0-15, to either team from Florida. It's amusing to think that I could be a 4.5, in Indiana.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

I don't know where you live, but if you live in a state like California and you're a 3.5, you're probably a 4.5 in indiana.

[@lanceowens554]

You do a great job and I enjoy the commentary! I would like for you to comment on the paddles the people are using as part of the analysis. Great job though!

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for asking. Sometimes I do. It's pretty obvious if a player is playing with a $50 paddle they probably are just a beginner.

[@brianlane9534]

It's like comparing skate boarders from NYC to those from Newport Beach, CA.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

That's a good analogy.

[@carolyngoebel802]

Love your videos (longtime listener first time caller)! I’m from Indiana (Carmel/Zionsville/Westfield area) and play pickleball consistently (female over 50). I’ve never played in a tournament and would self rank at 3.5. I think there is room in the system for 3.25 and 3.75 ratings :). In general, I play with 3.25 - 4.5 players (mostly 3.5 males). Those guys are 3.25-3.5 players that would lose in any 3.5+ tournament around my area. Agree that most players in Indiana are not going to be as strong as Florida players, but not a great representation of 4.5 players in Indiana. Thanks for allowing me to add my own ratings system!

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

I totally understand! I get the 3.25, 3.75. Give a tournament a shot. You'll probably have a lot of fun. Thanks for watching.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

I totally understand! I get the 3.25, 3.75. Give a tournament a shot. You'll probably have a lot of fun. Thanks for watching.

[@chrisiphonepics]

The guy in black shirt follows your initial match evaluations. Backwards hat equals a banger.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Haha. Usually does. Thanks for watching.

[@daveharter6469]

Everyone has their own perspective, and Mine is at 4.0. You should be able to hit the kitchen with 75-80% of the time and also have a front and back hand roll shot at the net. I have not managed that reset shot yet. There are reasons for that. It's too big a story to go into,and also watched 40 players on 10 courts. The biggest problem? returning the ball too high over the net. I am finding that works at lower levels, but one must fine tune their game in all areas to climb on up past 4.0.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for watching and thanks for commenting. Do you mean hitting the ball too high over the net on your return of serve?

[@daveharter6469]

@pickleballpick-apart9787 No, the return of serve can go sky high. They have to let it bounce, I was talking about all other returns.

[@user-jc6pr5el5g]

Rory what I don't understand about this question is that at least per USAP, a rating is based on skillset. What i hear more often though is a self-rating being a measure of winning - which is where location can come into play. But that's ridiculous if you scale it out; if a town has only 50 pickleball players, none of whom can consistently execute a 3rd shot drop, none of them are 4.0 players, but someone still might be the dominant player and win lots of games. Right?

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

I think that's correct. It depends on where you play and who you play against. I think all of these players have dupr ratings.

[@michaelnoe1195]

I would agree strongly that there is a pretty good gap. I would expect it to go no worse than 9-1 for the players in Florida. As just mentioned, other than outdoor differences there is a difference playing when it matters and possibly several games in that day as well. Some people rise, others fall apart as it would have more stress involved than a "warm up" game. I do feel that in the video the main comments that supports my thoughts on the Indiana group really being 3.5-4.0 would be how the points were being "won" or "lost" being more mistakes made than plays forcing mistakes. Having the ref does not ensure that the players rated were rated by an organization but maybe these were self-rated. Discussing the ratings, rating systems, pro/cons and failures is probably really for another discussion.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for watching. Those are some really good points. I do feel the rating system is flawed. Games are usually won or lost with unforced errors.

[@tojotess]

The team from Indiana would be 0-10 against Florida. Can’t wait to see your analysis of dupr! But, this is a good example of rating disparities.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

I'm not a fan of dupr. I think it is a flawed system. You are only good as the people you play against.

[@LowDinksHijinxPickleball]

4:55 that ball landed in the middle of the service zone. Hardly deep. Not criticizing the server, it's a fine serve. But I just wouldn't say it was "pretty deep".

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Okay. Thanks for pointing that out and thanks for watching.

[@LowDinksHijinxPickleball]

5:33 I know we're talking about doubles here, but for what it's worth, in singles missing 1 in 10 serves is a good threshold to let you know you're serving aggressively enough. If you're not missing 1 in 10 serves you've likely left too much on the table. Forcing a weak return in singles is worth missing occasionally. In doubles 1 in 10 is too many, but you definitely shouldn't just be trying to ensure you make the serve in.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for your comment pointing that out about singles. I appreciate you watching.

[@keithchasteen8593]

Enjoyed the video/comparing! Was just talking with some friends about this vary thing! I thought Mark N. was a 5.0 player? That being said, I think the FL guys would eat the IN guys....

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for watching. I'm confident you are right.

[@larryfeuer8470]

Being a south Florida player, in my opinion the Orlando players are all solidly at the 4.5 level. (I view 4.5 to be a notch below professional caliber, or the 5.0 level). The Indiana players, to a varying degree, are at the 3.5 level. In addition the body language of the Orlando guys said "READY TO PLAY!!" whereas the Indiana players' body language said "READY FOR LUNCH!". ;-)

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for watching. That gave me a good laugh.

[@EverydayPickleball]

I love this analysis! I just posted a match with a few friends and would love your take on it. I believe we are 4.0 here in Atlanta.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Glad you love it. I'll be happy to do it. I'll try to get to it today. If so, I will post it at 10 am tomorrow. Thanks for watching.

[@sirdaveo]

Something is odd. The Indiana guys are playing on a temporary net put on half a tennis court with lines painted over it. When looking at the 3rd shot drops, in the middle of one of the points an Indiana guy had a great chance for an ATP and didn't even think about it. The Indiana ref looks to be 4.5.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Haha! The comment about the ref is hilarious. Thanks for watching.

[@keithchasteen8593]

I played in a tournament where that same ref was refereeing one game I played! Very nice guy who loves pickleball! @@pickleballpick-apart9787

[@anyamaboy1]

A couple of considerations. If the IN match was the gold medal match, how many matches had they played that day? The main reason for asking is that they are playing outdoors while the FL game was indoors, and no indication of how long they had been playing. I agree that the IN match was lower rated, I would put them in the 4.0-4.5 range, and the FL players in the 4.5-5.0 range. It just depends on which end of the range is being considered.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

That's a valid point. I have no idea. Thanks for watching.

[@anyamaboy1]

@@pickleballpick-apart9787 Thanks for the response! I'm playing in my 2nd tournament overall, and first at 3.5 this coming Saturday. I hope to record games and get the footage uploaded to KZbin, so you may be hearing from me in the next few weeks.

[@MrBrad777c]

I have played pb for about 2 months. I could step right in and play with the Indiana guys. The Florida guys I wud be absolutely LOST! Not sure how these teams are both 4.5 level. Id say 3.5 at best for Indiana.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

I know! That's why I feel the rating system is flawed.

[@MrBrad777c]

@@pickleballpick-apart9787 oh Im honored you responded. Love your videos. Learning so much. I’ve played tennis recreationally all my life and my Dad put me on a stool at 4 years old to start ping ping so this pb sport is really enjoyable. Mark aka The Wizard is my favorite player on your channel.

[@jaimetarne9436]

Rory, i cant believe how you did not comm3nt on how Mark from Florida stands straight upmallmthe time and even leaves his paddle down at his side. Yes he has qucik reflexes and good shots but would be even better if he did whar all the pros and coaches recommend on stance and readiness.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

You're right. Thanks for pointing that out. It would make him that much better. Although, he's pretty darn good.

[@frankcrenshaw2880]

Obviously the players in Fla are far more advanced and are much more likely >4. Perhaps the game hasn't evolved where this small tournament in Indiana to support a true 4.5 doubles match? Look at those lines and that net - this isn't exactly a refined pickleball event. The class is 4.5+ - but anyone could enter. Apparently these guys are the best who showed up? But as you point out the way they move shows they are not really 4.5 and the bangers are probably less than 3.5 (skill wise) but do seem to have an advantage on receiving. The red team seems more like 3.5 ish but the pop ups are getting them killed. In such a match bangers have an advantage though. If you pop up on bangers they will destroy you even if you're a higher rated player! Not being able to reset will get you killed playing bangers -lol. Anyway the illustration is a good one. The winner of this little Indiana tournament would struggle to win even a single game in a 3.5 tournament in Fla. Playing truly better players is very eye opening -lol. They expose exactly what you're not good at. But in this smaller tournament, it seems the teams are fairly evenly matched so at least it's not completely one sided.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for taking time to respond. I do agree with what you're saying. Thanks for watching.

[@BRUCEFOWLER-ru7sf]

The IN team in red were only 3.5 at best. The other team was maybe a little better but not much.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for watching and thanks for your comment.

[@MadagascarDave]

I don't totally agree with your thoughts on drives... the guy in black from Indiana hit a 3rd shot drive that set up an easy 5th shot drop. They lost the point because his partner didn't advance to the kitchen, not because of the 3rd shot (point starts at 13:35)

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Good point. Thanks for watching. I'm not right all of the time.

[@MadagascarDave]

@@pickleballpick-apart9787 I think you are right in general, the 4.5s are different than each other and you did give the guys from Florida credit for a 3rd drive, 5th drop combo.

[@929mmr]

In my experience serves seem to be the least indicative of level. I see really wicked serves from 3.0 and milquetoast serves from 4.0 and better. In this case, if I had to rank the serves it would have been top two from Indiana, next 4 were Florida and last two in red from Indiana. Everything else besides serves is all Florida. Gray guy banging is not better than 3.5. Indoor is easier to have touch for drop shots than outdoors so not completely equal comparison but I doubt it would matter much. Florida guys would win 10-10. I am guessing there are players in Indiana that could match up fine with the Florida guys. Ratings are definitely not the same based on these videos though.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for taking the time to watch and respond. You're right. Serves do not make a lot of difference. I do try to put topspin so the ball kicks left and side spin so the ball will kick right and get the returning player out of the court.

[@larryfeuer8470]

Yeah, if you look at how the pros serve they hit the ball hard, deep and with a modest amount of spin. Heavy spin combined with power greatly increases the risk of hitting the ball out.

[@craigvern]

Jimmy from Hickory joins the team from Indiana and they pull out the W over the more talented Florida team

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Haha! Thanks for watching!

[@Coachschick]

10 pickles by Florida

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Yes. They were much better.

[@peds8345]

I can't believe this is 4.5 / Pickleball needs a new rating system asap

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

I totally agree. Thanks for watching.

[@BookValue2018]

Bro. You are comparing three 5.0 players (two of them being "upper" level 5.0's) playing indoors in a rec game versus four dudes playing outside in a tournament. The only time rating varies is when comparing rec versus regional tournament versus PPA/APP tournament. That's where you will see variance. Some regions have stronger players than others.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for watching, bro.

[@picklerun361]

Wow--NIGHT and DAY but I think you have proven the DUPR system isn't too accurate. You could analyze matches at different CLUBS in my region (Philly area) and see great disparity. Very frustrating

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

I agree. It is a flawed system. I don't know what the solution is. Thanks for watching.

[@sonographers]

Florida 8 Indiana 2

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for watching and thanks for your opinion.

[@Cacheola]

Gee wiz. I'm looking at both these teams thinking I'm at least a 4.5. I play with some 80yr old codgers that'd school a few of those boys

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for watching.

[@mra3373]

Florida goes 10/10.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Yep! I would think so. Thanks for watching.

[@DCchortler]

I would add two thoughts. First, it is not wise to compare states using just one match from very different towns. This looks like a small town in Indiana where a "gold metal" match is played on a tennis court with bad line markings and a portable net. Compare that to the far nicer courts in Florida and I could have told you the obvious outcome before seeing even a single point played. Second, the gold metal match was likely played at the end of a long day. Those guys looked exhausted and were moving far too slowly and making far too many simple errors. They might have played much better when fresh. Perhaps not, but it is still something to take into consideration. Regardless, I can tell you for sure that rankings are not equal everywhere you go. Size of town, quality of competition, length of time pickleball has been in the area... these are just a few of the factors that determine that. Hopefully, DUPR will begin to even all that out over the next few years.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for taking the time to write the long comment. One reason I did this was to point out just how flawed the dupr system is. Something needs to be done. It just does not work. Secondly, I have watched many videos that team hanlon pickleball has posted. They travel to tournaments and film The matches. This really is a typical example of 4.5 play in the tournaments they post on their KZbin channel. So, it's really not a small sample size. Again. I have watched many of their matches. The guys in Florida, I have watched many of their games as well. Mark Napartovich is one of my favorite players. I only wish I had all the skills he has.

[@DCchortler]

@@pickleballpick-apart9787 It looked like the guys in FL were treating it more like a warm up game. They were not trying their hardest. I agree that level of play differs greatly. I am one of the best players in my small town and consider myself to be a high 4.0 but not quite 4.5. When I travel, I find huge differences in quality of play. Some places I fit right in with the 4.0s. In another town I played about 10 games with players who considered themselves 5.0 and I had no problem keeping up and even coming out on top. DUPR will work, just like ELO does in chess. It will take a while though. You need a very big sample size and you need fair comparisons.

[@Vanessa-pe2xs]

​@pickleballpick-apart9787 to be fair the DUPR for guys in Florida average 5.0...look up the guys from Indy...average 4.0. So I think it's pretty accurate.

[@Vanessa-pe2xs]

​@DCchortler guys in Florida were playing a rec game with friends. They play with each other every day so very relaxed just fooling around.

[@johnnoble8593]

FWIW, I'm not sure that this tourney in a small town is a good representation of 4.5 pickleball in IN. The 4.5 players I know in Indy are at least as skilled as the FL players.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for watching. Maybe they should post some games! I have seen many videos from this channel. They seem to travel throughout the state.

[@frankfurter7260]

It varies block by block.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Haha! That's funny.

[@MrGbustamante]

This is not even close...but to be fair, we in Florida can play year round.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

I'm sure there are indoor facilities in Indiana. Thanks for watching.

[@johnmccready6752]

The Florida Pickleball pirates would win 10-0. This is a no contest. I think the disparities are genuinely less but still relevant when you compare other states. I play in Palm Springs in the winter and here in B.C. Canada in the summer and have always maintained this is the case when it comes to the assignment of levels.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for watching. I agree. The pirates would sweep them. And, I don't think it would be close.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

It's been so hot here this summer. I think next summer I'm going to go spend 3 months in Canada.

[@Trill_Tanks]

Mark hits some unique shots but then makes sub4.0 mistakes. Too much exaggerated trickery gets him in trouble.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

He probably does sometimes. Thanks for watching.

[@frankfurter7260]

All four players from Indiana are 3.0, absolutely max.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for your opinion.

[@user-oo9hr6xx9q]

Indiana loses 100% of the time against the Florida players. In BC, Canada, this is what we might charitably call "lower 3.5" but in a tournament, either of those teams would get trounced in 3.0.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for watching and thanks for your opinion.

[@garnotte12]

I’d say Florida 9…Indiana 1. I play 4.0 50+ in Florida and we would beat these Indiana 4.5 19+ teams 8 times out of 10.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

I don't doubt that you would. Florida has so many more pickleball players, it's not surprising there are better players there. Thanks for watching.

[@patricksnyder3446]

Ya the never ending ranking battle! No matter how many systems the design to rank players the system is completely fallible almost a complete waste of time

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

I agree! It is seriously flawed. Thanks for watching.

[@Vanessa-pe2xs]

I dont think this is a good comparison...one is 4.5++, indoors with players who play senor Pro and have an average DUPR of 5.0. The players all know each other and are playing for fun...The other are players outdoors, in wind and sun with an average DUPR of 4.0, playing in a tournament against opponents they dont know under stress. A better comparison would be a team from Florida and team from Indiana on the SAME court with similar DUPRs and see if one is better than the other. Sorry Rory, but this was not a good pick-a-part and proves nothing about the skill set in different regions. Sorry, its a miss.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for your comments. I'm of the opinion that overall play in Florida is better than overall play in Indiana. I have seen many videos from Team Hanlon Pickleball and many videos from Pickleball Pirates. And, it's what I see over and over and over again. Much higher level in Florida than Indiana. I'm pretty confident me and my partner could beat the two teams in indiana. I don't think we could be the teams in Florida.

[@Vanessa-pe2xs]

@pickleballpick-apart9787 that may be the case. But to prove that point, you would need to show that a person from Florida with a 4.0 DUPR is a stronger competitor than a person from Indiana with the same rating. In this video you compared a team of people with DUPRs averaging 4.0, with a team in Florida having a 5.0 average, including Marc, who plays PRO!! It's not a fair comparison in the least. I'm sure a team of 5.0 pros in Indiana could beat a 4.0s from Florida. It's dishonest, in my opinion.

[@amitshah836]

Agree with above comment. Play in Florida in my opinion is higher level then many places but comparing obvious 5.0+ to 4.0 at best players does little to prove the point you are trying to make. Sorry. Usually really good content on this channel but this one is a fail for the point at hand. Overall though keep up your good work.

[@GunnerstahlY]

IN, 3.5 at best

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

I think that's probably right. Thanks for watching.

[@jackparsons8396]

Maybe Mark is a 5.0

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

He probably is, but for some reason, the pickleball pirates titled the video 4.5. thanks for watching.

[@tojotess]

Arizona levels are equivalent to florida

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

I would pretty much agree with that. Thanks for watching.

[@jimb6683]

50 players win over 45 players 97pct of the time.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for watching and for your comment.

[@larrymartin1075]

i meant appreciate,, not approve.. 😬

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

No problem.

[@zcrich01]

You’re showing significant bias toward the Florida match. You criticized the Indiana players for a basic serve and then Mark did the same thing, but you said it was to ensure he gets it in. You then (rightly) criticized the short return in the Indiana match but had no such criticism for the short dice return in the Florida match. Adding slice doesn’t excuse a short return.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Good point. Thanks for watching.

[@Vanessa-pe2xs]

I agree it was very biased. We all know the florida guys are 5.0...Mark plays senior pro!! And Florida guys play each other every day and know each others game well. Totally different vibe than a gold medal match outdoors in the elements. This was click bait, I'm disappointed.

[@kevmarcol780]

I don't think the guys from Indiana would have a chance against Florida.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

I don't think so, either.

[@philipschlesinger2600]

Indiana would lose 8 out of 10 games, maybe 9. I do not think they are 4.5 players

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Thanks for watching. I'm not sure they would do that well.

[@BookValue2018]

Sorry - it's complete nonsense that a "3.5 in Cali is a 4.5 elsewhere". This is the kind of garbage that low level players spout. I've played pickleball in 11 different states. It always boils down to "casual players, local tournament players, serious tournament players". That's it. Jay Devilliers, Matt Wright and Lucy Kovalova all are out of Wichita, KS. Wichita. The 90th largest city in the US. Go to California. You can show up to tons of places that have the same low-level rec players that exist in Columbus, IN. The Kawamotos are from Indiana and train in Indiana. Ben and Collin got to where they were by training in Maryland...prior to moving to Texas.

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

I'm not saying a 3.5 player in California is a 4.5 elsewhere. I am saying, a 4.5 player in Indiana is generally not as good as a 4.5 player in California. I really appreciate you watching. It helps grow my channel.

[@BookValue2018]

Based on what? Admittedly you're a 3.5 player. California is a big state by the way. I've played in both California and Indiana. One of the best players I've ever played was from Indiana. 4.5 is 4.5 Good players can come from anywhere. Re-read what I said. Casual, rec tournaments, competitive tournaments. @@pickleballpick-apart9787

[@MrBrad777c]

10-0 Florida beats Indianas A$$ lol

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

I would have to agree with that. Thanks for watching.

[@jonk6137]

Are you bashing the 3.0 player lol watch it lol I’m jk

[@pickleballpick-apart9787]

Haha.