Pickleball Paddle Tier List UPDATE for Fall 2024 | Rackets & Runners

Rackets & Runners' Luca Berg shares his thoughts on yet another pickleball paddle tier list for all the paddles in Fall of 2024.
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[@BH-qd4yb]

Luca, thank you for the list update and for your succinct narrative of the paddles! Just a point of clarification, it has recently come to light that it is not real titanium dioxide used in paddles such as the Shogun, but a synthetic fiber that looks metallic in color. Thus, it is called ‘titanium’ as a reference to its color, not the compound titanium dioxide. I confirmed this fact with BNB, as I own the Shogun and love it! It might be a marketing ploy, or possibly some translation confusion with the Chinese manufacturers, but I really don’t care as the Shogun is such a great paddle!

[@braves2510]

Thanks for taking the time to put this together. A nice addition would be at the end to share your current favorite and why, I understand each player looks for different things but would be interested to hear your current main

[@kurtjacobson467]

Hey Luca. Great video. Love your tier lists. I'm wondering why you chose not to have the Thrive Azul 16 on your list and if you did, where you'd place it. Thanks.

[@LilNipsFatal]

Curious how the J2TI is going to fit into the tier list and don't see the J1 or J1H on here. Thoughts?

[@biagiosguera8918]

I don't see any of the new Paddletek's I recently made the change to the 12.7 MM TKO post Joola failure and it's an amazing weapon. Wondering why you didn't consider or place the Paddletek anywhere? Love your work and reviews, very comprehensive and fair.

[@minhanhtran5836]

Hi Luca, any thought about proton series one ?

[@matthewlee1653]

Thanks for the awesome content Luca! You are the reason I decided to buy my paddle from Rackets & Runners. Keep up the good work

[@RacketsandRunnersPickleball]

I'm so glad to hear that! Thanks for watching!

[@56cdross]

Excellent content, Luca. Thank you. Thinking of treating myself to a new paddle for Solstice - short list =n J2K, J7K, Shapeshifter and Pickleball Apes Pulse S. Using Vatic Pro Flash 16mm and ready for an upgrade on spin and power. Your vids are super-helpful. Graçias!

[@makyg690]

Can't seem to see my mark one x. Is it a bad paddle?

[@NRafa7]

Have you played with the Spartus APOLLO? If so where would you rank it? Thanks!

[@hawhiasoo9351]

Cannot find Volair Mach2 . How would it rank on this list?

[@lescobar55]

I can't believe the Mach2 isn't included!

[@ginjaninja3627]

Do you not review Engage paddles? I’ve been loving the Engage Pursuit Pro1 6.0 though I’d like the sweet spot to be bigger.

[@DannyBPlays]

I'm surprised no rating for either pikkl paddles. I'd be interested to know if you consider them A or B

[@lukevialpando261]

Hey Luca any thoughts on the Friday paddle

[@davidchapman5853]

Great video! I’m thinking of getting an elongated paddle. Which would you recommend between the R3 and J7K? Thanks. Hope to place an order with you tonight.

[@LETHALxMODs]

Also looking for Thrive Azul placement, please talk about it in the next update!!!

[@nixeighty6]

Is this list posted somewhere? It's not easy to try to view here. I can't find it on rackets and runners website

[@matthoward4701]

Still no Mach 2 Forza (arguably the grand father of the continuing widebody wave, and no 11six24 Monarch AC? I don’t know if we will ever see a face that is solely titanium. Given that it is polyester it may not be durable enough.

[@kabob21]

Considering how few titanium fibers are woven in with the carbon fiber in the Nexus and B&B Shogun I don’t think you can

[@HM-gm1kn]

its a canadian company and both of those seem to be USA only. They cost a good bit extra for shipping and fees.

[@matthoward4701]

@@HM-gm1kn That can’t be it. There are already older models by Volair and 11six24 on the list.

[@mr.mr.3301]

They really need to come up with a metric that limits the speed of a ball based on a certain amount of force. If it’s too fast or goes faster than that, then the paddle is not approved. It’s pretty simple really. They have done that with baseball bats over the years as technology got better. I like the ability to get a paddle that specializes hell one place but on the other side, there’s gotta be limits . I’m nowhere good enough that it even matters but I will say at my older age. It’s hard for me to enjoy a pickle ball game that doesn’t have volley and I can’t return the serve. That sort of takes away the fun of Pickleball for a large majority of us.

[@stymeron]

Great list. Thanks for putting this together, and props for comments around the subjectiveness of this. I gather you haven't hit the Monarchs yet? No Thrive paddles?

[@jvu1277]

What are your thought on the ProKinnex? I've been using the black ace for about a year... but this seems to be a brand that is off the radar

[@shanepeirce470]

Is the Hyperion V1 any good? I found a good deal on one and wondering if it’s worth purchasing

[@Tal13]

J2K owner looking for a little more power/pop without sacrificing spin/control/stability. Shapeshifter seems to be the go to recommendation. Would you agree? Any other recs? (Mark one, Apollo, j3k, j7k, etc.) thank you

[@codywalker2250]

Spartus olympus

[@hungfbi69]

Edge 18k power pro

[@hungfbi69]

Shapeshidter for sure

[@johnsmith4301]

Thrive azul

[@hellobenny]

It seems like your rating of paddles is heavily influenced by your singles experience, however singles is rarely played by most players bc it's essentially just tennis.

[@kabnis2022]

Try out the Perseus Gen 2 again (new batch). It plays pretty much the same ( a touch less aerodynamic) as the Hyperion C2 now

[@prithvibumia2941]

Was just waiting for this tier list. Ordered myself the j2k. Now just gotta wait

[@anthonyfernandez5875]

Best paddle I’ve ever owned

[@michelepo323]

Can you review the new Engage Evolution Extreme V2? Is it a good paddle? Is it a power paddle? Thanks! 🙂

[@James-mk8jp]

No proton or olympus?

[@andrebyte]

Thanks for backing up my Shapeshifter purchase 😂

[@declan2253]

Hey Luca. Have you tried the 6.0 Black Diamond Amethyst Pro JMV edition?

[@nattaponperavanichkul4842]

Does 6.0 Ruby is good for me as I'm a beginner which used to play badminton before, 36 years' old speedy and control play style thanks!!

[@Ethan624-b6s]

Started out with the Vatic Prism Flash and just upgraded to ProLine Energy S. I’m happy!

[@umbcTKE53]

I didn’t see you mention any Ace Pickleball paddles. I just bought the Ace of Clubs without trying it, so wondering how you think that one is!

[@RacketsandRunnersPickleball]

We don't carry them unfortunately.

[@zachcarmichael699]

Ronbus Ripple R1.14 = God tier

[@kyleseber]

What about the Hudef viva green three. I need y’all’s opinion on this and where it would be on the list. Why is it not on the list is a better question.

[@kyleseber]

Also why not the Spartus Apollo

[@troymhamner]

When will you be carrying Reload?

[@mr.mr.3301]

Titanium is polyester. I enjoyed this.

[@TheJonbonesjones]

Have you heard anything about the new J2TI paddle in comparison with the J2K? Debating if I should wait for the j2ti if it’s going to be a better overall paddle than the 2k. Thanks!

[@HowieB-isMe3885]

I think so. Ti is looking good! I was going to go with Rhombus Ripple, but there are some issues for them to resolve.

[@Itsyourmonee]

Where does the Shogun go? I love that thing. Please update.

[@shawnmaloney6845]

Don't see the Legacy Pro S (like wider than long -spin player) anywhere on here. Been using it past year and love it but getting ready for upgrade. What's best spin wide body without losing pop out on market now?

[@garygorgo3600]

Have you tried the new Ronbus Ripple paddle? Would like your review !

[@HowieB-isMe3885]

Luca, where can we examine your top tier list????

[@Everheartt]

Have you tried the new slk halo’s? Power and pro?

[@mattwyro7339]

Have you tested anything from carbon pickle. Not crbn carbon but truly carbon pickle. The have the air pro and max as their line and I am super curious how those play

[@thomasmosley5376]

I’ve got one and it’s awesome

[@VB6000.]

J3K Pro lover here!

[@blowtorchxl]

where would you put the friday challenger?

[@realreviews2427]

Don’t buy friday

[@hay-z318]

Where would the Selkirk SLK Halo Power and Selkirk SLK Halo Control will be in your list?

[@shockingbanglay535]

Could you review the Gamma Airbender Paddles?

[@DaveBourland]

Paddletek would be awesome….number 1 players paddle….

[@nicetrybruh8429]

Can someone tell me if the double black diamond still worth getting ?

[@marct6650]

can you review the spartus olympus

[@sebastiengagnon8370]

I have the new gearbox ultimate and it’s awesome paddle

[@zzq727]

Where do you put B&B Shogun?

[@akgballa02]

I second this question, trying to decide between that and the j2k

[@limlimma]

Thanks as always Luca! Curious about your thoughts on the Thrive Azul? How come no Thrive paddles?

[@jeemwla2]

thoughts on jojolemon?

[@dv8tion388]

Where's the M2F???

[@modified93tc]

Mach 2 forza

[@whatthefyke]

Where is the B&B shogun?

[@greentea1155]

He put it in A tier @27:35

[@ernest4483]

Another great content and tiers explanation, no Engage and Paddletek paddles

[@ShrimpCracka]

where does the halo pro xl belong?

[@ginjaninja3627]

Nice update. You convinced me that I made a mistake getting the j2k pro. I should get the J2K or the J7K. The tighter weave on the Pro versions just muddies the waters, taking away what the paddles are best at. I want the extra dwell time.

[@iammedranoja]

what’s the best value paddle?

[@buffalufacus]

Depends on what you mean by "Value" - $100 everyone used to recommend the Prism Flash Pro, but at this point, find a discount code an grab a J2K - it's such a crazy paddle for $135 after discount

[@matthoward4701]

@@buffalufacus I’m hearing great things about the 11six24 Monarch Jelly Bean. I have the Monarch All Court ($129 with code) and am loving it!

[@catalinbobe2342]

Yes, you are biased about the J2K! I bought a J2K from your store and after two weeks of playing it looks way worse than an SLK Halo after almost one year of playing. I wish I could upload a pic of the paddle...

[@DisPickleball]

Nice crib Luca AUSSIE FAN🇦🇺

[@destincustomhomebuilders7406]

I noticed no Engage or Joola?

[@karepy]

No halo pro xl? Come on brand new paddle with Kevlar and carbon. Kind of a miss here

[@meedamaster6850]

Shogun by Bread&Butter??

[@AlanThorsen]

Know $'s involved, but interesting no pros using kevlar paddles. Volair Mach Forza only B tier ?

[@matthoward4701]

And that’s the M1F, no listing of M2F

[@tielles2806]

Help me choose j2k or perseus 3s plz

[@rollingchopsticks]

J2ti better

[@PlayLegendsSports]

Waaay too many awesome paddles off this list to make it totally flawed. Gruvn? Thrive? Paddletek? Several others!

[@DJShiv29]

you are the GOAT

[@carlrodrigues6919]

Mark paddles great paddles and priced right

[@RC-tm8jo]

Mark One and Spartus Apollo are my two favorite paddles I've ever used.

[@SteveAtkins-c3y]

Why are none of the Paddletek paddles anywhere on this list?!?!?

[@ClownAl3n]

Where does the Ezone Plus rate? I dont see it.

[@RacketsandRunnersPickleball]

We haven't tried the new Yonex paddles yet, unfortunately.

[@kimjaesung5938]

What i have been waiting for

[@justinh1258]

No shogun?

[@joeluk9976]

Plz review Hush thx

[@forrealfifavids7144]

What is the lowest priced S tier paddle?

[@kiwiroy48]

No Gearbox paddles?

[@billgrather6509]

He has 5 on there, including my new Pro Ultimate, best paddle out there imho.

[@trumpisastump9382]

Reading is hard.

[@DisPickleball]

No Engage Pursuit Pro1 Luca

[@MonohanMedia]

Would love to see this covered.

[@prithvibumia2941]

Lets freaking gooo

[@buffalufacus]

I'm a J2K enjoyer, but throwing the 7K and 3K up top has my wallet shaking...

[@BlackburnTraining]

What about any Thrive paddles??

[@yummybong148]

GIVE ME A MARK ONE X 16MM AND GIVE ME A PADDLETEK BANTOM TKO-CX 14MM I NEED EM BOUGHT TO BE PRIME TIME PB SEASON SOON NOW THAT GOLFS ENDING.

[@SamiraMahi-l2k]

Walker Paul Johnson Sharon Anderson Shirley

[@antoniosyrakis9329]

Where would you put thrive surge?

[@JaxxCrash]

Damn no monarch all court

[@carlrodrigues6919]

To me the best also have the Apollo

[@JaxxCrash]

@carlrodrigues6919 yeah alot of surprising no shows. But he reviewed the monarch

[@matthoward4701]

@@JaxxCrash I can’t find the 11Six24 Monarch review

[@RC-tm8jo]

Mark One (formerly Mark Kinetic) should be S tier on this list, as should Spartus Apollo. Hudef Viva Pro Gen 3 is another great paddle.

[@kaitrinh7613]

Where's the Shogun?

[@benw63]

Up in the top right

[@princetonnguyen9984]

It's added at the end because it was out of stock in their store.

[@OnRappel]

What about the Diadem Edge 18K?

[@Syndrome88]

Ruby on S tier...

[@wensdaypickleball]

I mean it’s the best Kevlar paddle

[@tbrophwg]

@@wensdaypickleball I think the J2K is slightly better and so does Luca

[@AlanThorsen]

@@tbrophwg I don't think he is saying that at all. Depends upon what you value more, for example do you prefer the longer handle of the Ruby vs. the slightly wider face of the J2K. I've tried both a bit, my complaint with the Ruby and J2K is that they both feel significantly slower in the hands than the DBD and Vatic Flash. No doubt the kevlar faces feel softer, but I don't find the kevlar paddles any more controllable or spin friendly than the DBD (or even the Flash, although the Flash feels stiffer and poppier than the DBD). What feels better also depends a lot on the ball and playing conditions. Soft indoor balls, stiffer and poppier not a big deal, actually helps. Harder outdoor balls a slightly softer paddle definitely helps.

[@tbrophwg]

Full disclosure, my J2K and my Chorus Shapeshifter have excellent hand speed because I have 28g Slyce end caps installed on both. They help with more than just hand speed, but that is one of the advantages gained. Can't say enough good things about my experience with them so far.

[@kimjaesung5938]

Where would Azul and Monarch all court go to?

[@brandonhurt3947]

Lets goooo

[@afterthesmash]

Too much S tier.

[@CurmeLeila-m5w]

Williams Karen Lewis Donald Martinez Amy

[@RC-tm8jo]

Where is the Mark One, Hudef Viva Pro Gen 3, Spartus Apollo?

[@rafaelramos4164]

What about Proton?

[@limulus61]

Nothing from Gruvn?

[@avswish33]

How are the pikkl paddles not on here? Can’t even take this seriously

[@jonmac380]

No Paddletrk tko??? Insane!

[@helloman3676]

No Spartus paddle is a crime to humanity and should be get you fine until you fix it. 😂😂😂

[@landonp.4073]

Proton