PID Tuning Tutorial : ZMR210R

[@schumata3356]

You definitely have some of the better PID tuning videos out there. You talk through what you are seeing well and you repeat your tests enough that it is easier to see the little quirks and wobbles you are referring to. I'd love to see a good video where someone takes the PIDs down to nothing and then tunes up to show the exaggerated effects. Great job. Keep it up.

[@TheRCAddict]

Thanks, and that is what I hope to begin working on soon! What each value does very low and very high :)

[@rcramosrc]

love it! 👍 I've been trying to wrap my head around pid tuning and so far your videos have been the most descriptive. thanks for sharing your process of eliminating the axis's!!!!!!

[@TheRCAddict]

Glad they help! Trying to work on more basic videos soon

[@rcramosrc]

what angle are you running on your HD camera and on your fpv camera?

[@TheRCAddict]

***** 30 HD, 35-40 FPV

[@furulevi]

What a flight! :D ...that landing at 2:56 is WOW!

[@LAHover]

I like your tuning videos. please keep it up. They offer a good reference when I forget what I'm looking for.

[@TheRCAddict]

Glad they help!

[@nicenitx6343]

Love your music choice! My favorite part of your PID Tuning videos is that, they always have a nice flight with good music at the end. :)

[@TheRCAddict]

Thanks Hong! :D

[@matancohen8193]

I'm absolutely​ waiting for you uploads !

[@TheRCAddict]

=D

[@ebenjamin24]

Hey I know you didn't like the audio from that camera on that mount but after watching the video it made it feel like NASCAR or you were in the cockpit of a rocket and I was at NASA! Kind of cool to me! 10-4 captain!

[@TheRCAddict]

Haha

[@mrxXzekeXx]

So helpful video! Have watched a couple of your tuning videos and i have learned a LOT!! And in this video i learned that my vibrations i have (just the same as yours), probably comes from the motors because my picture also went away and i also crasched in the freaking mud, other than that i love my red bottom S :) Thanx for the help and learning session! Love from Sweden!

[@TheRCAddict]

Ok, hopefully I will swap out the bearings today (if i get off my butt) and that should fix it.

[@DangerDavefpv]

what would cause a weird shift to right looks like yaw on punch out when reaching 75-100% throttle? its a quick shift to right cant really see it as a roll to right the nose shifts to right and then back for a second

[@TheRCAddict]

Could be low P and I on the yaw axis, or a problem with the ESC.

[@My.Sm.family]

I tried your pids on your gbx210 video with my new built QAV-X and it flies amaZing thank i like all your videos 😎👍

[@TheRCAddict]

Awesome Mark! So glad it is flying well :P

[@ClaudioPozoVeloso]

Dude thank you for all your PID tuning videos 👌

[@TheRCAddict]

No problem Claudio :)

[@alexgri7625]

Hello! Thank you for your video. Very informative and helps to understand the settings kvadrocoptera. One request in this video does not work subtitles. Please correct.

[@TheRCAddict]

Yeah, I don't have time to subtitle my videos, and the auto detect hardly works.

[@FrequentFlyerRC]

Awesome video tutorial man! Is this video footage coming from the runcam or do you have a Session mounted?

[@TheRCAddict]

Thanks Jamal :D All flight footage is from the session, the FPV footage si no where near as good hehe

[@wieniufpv3639]

Hello , I have many problems with vibrations , on hovering it looks very good, on max throttle it's not terrible but noticeable and its worst all between. Can you share blackbox log from this video and some other good quads that have debug_mode=notch? It would be very useful to compare some good flights logs to mine. I'm able to change PIDs that everything feels very nice in flight, but the image from GoPro session 5 has jello and vibrations in many places (not all the time), My GoPro setings: 2,7K, 30FPS, SperView, No stabilization. All sugestion will be very usefull. Thank you!!

[@tahirfpv6135]

Your tutorials are very informative and helped me a lot on trying my hands to tune my quad. No one has done a tutorial on rates and expo. everyone says its feel.. what are yours and pleaae show us what is the effect of changing the rates with stick cam please.. thanks

[@TheRCAddict]

You can see my rates in pervious videos, and you can just look in the configurator to see how it affects the curve.

[@DangerDavefpv]

emax nice but i think ive got bad motor too..even with blackbox using horizon #4 motor will show during a punch 100% but other are not even close to that value and there all around same. whats your rc rate and super and angle/horizon strength and transition i may try these pid since i have issues related just like this

[@TheRCAddict]

It could also be an esc issue with one not making enough power. I do not use anything other than acro mode. RC rate is 1.1 and Rate is .80

[@LachlanPeknice]

Thanks for the video... I'm still learning the effects of different PID inputs, and it is super helpful to hear what you are thinking as you change them! thanks! Can you maybe make a PID summary video with the 'rule of thumb' scenarios?

[@TheRCAddict]

You mean like what to look for when tuning P, or D etc? I hope to work on one soon.

[@LachlanPeknice]

The RCAddict yea, and just general rules, like when certain things happen, what it could most likely be (to high P value etc)

[@TheRCAddict]

Lachlan Peknice Yep, will be raising and lowering the values to the extremes in the video.

[@LachlanPeknice]

That would be a really insightful video... look forward to seeing it in the future :)

[@reidisfully]

Did you make this video? Would be EXTREMELY invaluable for those trying to get their head around PID tuning and developing their understanding of the characteristics of changes to each Term.

[@marcosreyvieitez2730]

How well these batteries respond with those motors and so much consumption of amperes that propellers you use

[@TheRCAddict]

They are fine. Getting 3 mins of hard flying.

[@marcosreyvieitez2730]

The RCAddict with 5040x3 propeller??

[@TheRCAddict]

Marcos Rey vieitez Yes, I use cylonce V2 now.

[@CapnxChar]

quick question - I was tuning my Alien KISS setup and it's pretty snappy, however, it no longer hovers in one spot without me having to fight it with the gimbals. If I center my sticks and give it throttle it wants to drift backwards now. Is this normal?

[@TheRCAddict]

Not sure about the kiss configurator, but you probably need to add some trim in your radio. Try to get all channels (besides throttle) to be 1500 when you let go. You will probably find that pitch is 1490 or something similar causing this.

[@MrKeithw124]

im confused is those pid numbers on betaflight? seems way to high. is it 6.2 or 62 for example

[@TheRCAddict]

Yes, betaflight 2.8.1 and later use this scale, basically just times 10 so there are no more decimals. Only old beatflight adn cleanflight (which is old betaflight) use decimals anymore.

[@HisorAI]

I am having a similar problem. My motor bearing seems off and the motor make a weird clicking noise. They also smell burnt. Were your motors coming down hot? Mine are... Any suggestions?

[@TheRCAddict]

Yeah, bearings are probably going bad. If they are burning you might want to lower your D and make sure the motor screws aren't going up too far and touching the windings. Too much heat will cause demagnetization and you will then have to replace the whole motor.

[@HisorAI]

The weird thing is I just got the motors (ZMX Fusion). Also, I am on stock tune. The screws are not to far in... I don't know what to do. I think I am going to lower P and D to start.

[@TheRCAddict]

haon15 Hmm, the fusions are very high quality. If the bearings are making bad noises without crashes I would ask for new ones :/

[@HisorAI]

Yeah I just sent out an email. Hopefully I can get some new ones. Thanks for the help. Love the videos!

[@jimd8490]

I have a Proton skeleton with a Hyperlite F4 FC, Spedix 4-in-1, xm+, unify pro, HQ v1S props, and the new F40 2600kv motors. I''ve lowered my P gains significantly from stock but cant get rid of (very audible) constant oscillations from just flying anything past mid-throttle. I raised my TPA to 25% but that seems to have no effect. Seems like something else might be wrong....

[@TheRCAddict]

Lower the D gains.

[@jimd8490]

That was it, thanks! Given what I thought that D was for, I never would have thought to consider that!

[@TheRCAddict]

Glad it helped :D

[@ICEMAN_GLX]

hey I'm noticing like a little Twitch in my Motors at about half throttle any ideas of what it might be the motors are basically brand-new red bottoms they'll feel smooth other than the strong ass magnets LOL and I haven't crashed it and I change my props if I get one little chip in them

[@TheRCAddict]

Never thought I would say this, but since Josh approves, you could try softmounting your motors.

[@nikolasquaadegonzalez361]

Ultimatevapor918 it's scientifically proven, softmounting works

[@ICEMAN_GLX]

+The RCAddict but it is a Band-Aid remember lol

[@nikolasquaadegonzalez361]

Ultimatevapor918 you can still use it to finish a tune if you know you have a dented bell or damaged bearings

[@ICEMAN_GLX]

+Nikolas Quaade Gonzalez (NikoFPV) just use the double sided sticky tape or O-rings

[@Alex360Videos]

rcaddict IS DOPE. THANKS HOMIE I LOVE PID TUNIN TUTS. KEEP DOIN EM ALL DAY ERR DAY

[@TheRCAddict]

=D

[@КвадрокоптерТВ-л3к]

The RCAddict , please, enable the subtitles::)

[@flyboy1016]

What esc do you prefer to use? I have been having issues with esc's and i'm new to the drone world so want to know of good 30A esc's that will def work without issue and not drop a lot of money in parts tht dont work as I have in the red brick esc's i have 16 that wont work.

[@TheRCAddict]

I like the DYS XS20. You can take the cap off to make them DSHOT, or get the XSD20 version and it comes pre removed. I find no reason to use 30a escs, just more weight.

[@flyboy1016]

do you have skype or anything i can get some help and ask more questions so i can understand whats going on

[@michaelkoster2869]

Did you use conformal coating on your electronics? I landed in the snow like that recently and fried my pdb/bec.

[@TheRCAddict]

Nope, I have never waterproofed anything and never had any "issues". If I get the escs for the FC wet though it won't boot up and you have to wait like 8 hours till it is fully dry.

[@damonbfpv]

is it better doing it in intervals of 1 like ....41 pitch p,then try 42 and so on ,im worried i'll increase my pids to much at once and something bad will happen ive been flying my zmr 250 for a week and i think its time to start tuning ,been watching all your pid videos lol

[@TheRCAddict]

You can yes, but it can be very hard to notice the change. You want to change it in large enough increments that you can notice it either better or worse, and then go finer.

[@ehunter2010ed]

nice tuning video, it's always nice you make helpful information for others. Are you doing anymore shuriken x1 vids?

[@TheRCAddict]

Thanks :) Unfortunately my X1 keeps having desyncs when I try to make the PID video, so I have given up on it :(

[@ehunter2010ed]

Are you going to swap out esc? Or is it pdb issue?

[@TheRCAddict]

Eric Dunlap I don't have the time to mess with it anymore. I am just so frustrated with it. Might steal the motors for a build though.

[@ehunter2010ed]

Lol go idea you can also use the camera & reciver.

[@TheRCAddict]

lol yeah, frame is so nice too :/

[@logantic]

thanks for another great tuning video

[@TheRCAddict]

Glad you liked it :)

[@Colin-pj2zv]

Your videos are fantastic, this is another fine example. Super helpful for us learning this hobby by ourselves. And your property where you live is so awesome. Not sure if you've covered this but how come you don't fly with fat shark style goggles? Keep up the good work.

[@TheRCAddict]

Thanks Colin :) Mostly because of the price. I could build 2 quads for that and until a vendor wants to send me some, I don't think I really need them haha.

[@TheRCAddict]

Also i kind of like that I am different than almost everyone else, kind of like you don't need Nike shoes to be fast, you don't need Fatsharks to fly well.

[@keymaster2108]

Hi guys. Problem If I have P and D to high can it cause motor to overheat ? I just had smoke come from motor 2 on quad. This problem only happen after using Gtune, Gtune Put P & D at max setting (Fly ok )

[@TheRCAddict]

YES, P AND D can cause this. P causes the super hard oscsialltions that create heat, and D amplifies the noise which causes it to smoke. NEVER use the Gtune feature, it is totally worthless. Also that is in Cleanflight, get rid of that and flash to Betaflight 3.1

[@keymaster2108]

betaflight will flash to my f3 board but im using cppm and it wont work. cppm option not offered

[@TheRCAddict]

Jamie Jones Use the PPM option.

[@keymaster2108]

Yes I try that and it doesn't work

[@TheRCAddict]

Jamie Jones What RX is it?

[@scoobyfpv1184]

What are your rates and expo??

[@nicenitx6343]

Scooby Fpv, Few videos back its, 1.10 for RC Rate and 0.80 for Super Rate, which gives a max Velocity of 1078 deg/s, sometimes it goes up to 1100 deg/s not sure why. For yaw, same RC Rate but 0.70 Super Rate.

[@scoobyfpv1184]

Cool, Thanks for the reply :)

[@danfast23]

Great video! Were I can get sma mount like that one ?

[@TheRCAddict]

www.thingiverse.com/thing:1985459

[@ramboaripratama1992]

what about expo? do you use it?

[@TheRCAddict]

BF super rates have it built it. I use RC rates of 1.1 and Rate of .80

[@flyboy1016]

ok thanks for the advice . how can i reach you for help instead of posting on here?

[@TheRCAddict]

You can email me at [e-mail]

[@MrPrr0]

RCAddict great videos, I'm learning to tune my quads I have a Nighthawk 280Pro that is flight good but now I have a gurgling sound, that means too much D?

[@TheRCAddict]

Could be, might also be vibrations, but that is kinda like D haha. Make sure stuff is running smoothly and try to softmount.

[@rayjo7408]

Thanks for the tuning video - they have been very helpful as I am learning to tune my quads. Do you find any variances in values when tuning a 5 inch quad vs a 3 inch quad? Heard someone mention that 3 inch quads tend to have higher P values. Also, do you mess with the D weight set point at all? Thanks again for the awesome videos!

[@TheRCAddict]

Yeah, since the props are so small they have less authority and usually need higher values to maintain the same amount of control. I have never moved those sliders, I probably should learn them and use them, but I just go fly haha.

[@INTELMAXELL]

No more "bullet holes"...that was bad ass kid !

[@TheRCAddict]

Haha thanks :D

[@TheGraysPTGC]

Love the content! Hoping for some advice.... brand new chameleon build. Flies perfect better than any other quad I have except during take off for the first few seconds low to mid throttle the first 10-20 ft in the air it whobbles pretty good. I went through took off all filters through dynamic filter and flies even better except that initial whobble. Any suggestions?

[@TheRCAddict]

Any chance you could post a video? Not fully sure what you mean. Sounds like propwash coming from off the ground, but that onyl lasts a few feet.

[@TheBatchy08]

could you please tell what your rate set up is is for betaflight... thx !

[@nicenitx6343]

1eyedFPV, Few videos back its, 1.10 for RC Rate and 0.80 for Super Rate, which gives a max Velocity of 1078 deg/s, sometimes it goes up to 1100 deg/s not sure why. For yaw, same RC Rate but 0.70 Super Rate. I use the same rate too. Very responsive but I add a bit of expo on my controller for smoother turns as Im not that good of a pilot yet.

[@TheBatchy08]

thx !

[@TheRCAddict]

thanks for the help Hong!

[@CapnxChar]

I still don't understand too much how you're getting your I values. I know I controls the amount of outside forces affecting flight, but how do you know to raise or lower them? How high is too high and how do I know they're too high? P's and D's I have a grip on, but when I watch your videos I get really confused on how you get your I values. I LOVE your tune videos btw.

[@TheRCAddict]

I just kind of makes it feel more tight. Hard to explain. It counters outside forces, so you can just go up real high, and free fall looking down and if any axis moves raise it there. Don't use I gain as much to control the nose going up on quick throttle punches anymore, use the new anti gravity feature betaflight has, as it actually fully gets rid of it.

[@neal4254]

would you say the gb210 is better or would you say this 1 is better?

[@TheRCAddict]

Well, the part in this build, mainly the frame and motors are better performing and quality, so this one I would. Not saying they both can't fly well though.

[@neal4254]

why i was asking this is actually i just want to know is a frame with a under slung battery better than a battery sitting on top,i never flown a quad with a under slung battery and would want to start building on one just not sure if it is better..

[@dejvor]

Thank you mate :) Your tuning videos made me learn a lot how to recognise problem :) thank you thank you thank you :)

[@TheRCAddict]

Glad they help Tep!

[@mins_982]

When the x1 tutorial?

[@TheRCAddict]

Not going to happen as mine keeps having desyncs and I am tried of cleaning the mud out of the motors for another 10 second flight where it drops from the sky again.

[@mins_982]

The RCAddict 🤔🤔 maybe you have a defective unit... I was really interested in this but the skyfalls keeps me to not buy it Do you think the crusader gt2 is good?

[@TheRCAddict]

Alex 1193 I have heard others have the same problem as me, and others not have it. It is a fault in the escs and they are changing the model. So much for the extensive testing they said they did....

[@timrobinson9192]

My comment is probably getting boring for you now , but man , bloody awesome flying , and that PFV footage is to die for ... motion sickness !!! : Superc00l :)

[@TheRCAddict]

Thanks Tim!

[@omaramreki1288]

Hi please tell price

[@pippifpv]

I really like your videos. I think an easy improvement would be to leave the quad build in the description also. ohh, you get a like from me

[@TheRCAddict]

Ok, thanks for the tip! I will start naming and linking the specs on the builds :)

[@ianrice1778]

Man you got really good at all this stuff. I remember almost a year ago and you were you Grades then the jjrc x1 type quads n now your flying 4s legit racing quads. I also been getting into the racing fpv quads and have a Couple. I finally got into flying acro and omg its the only way to go. I mean doing a back flip then diving straight down or diving upwards is just sick to me. But i have yet to build my own quad and tune my quad. Does it take a long time and allot of trial and error to build and tune your first quad? I have to try it soon. Do you have any tips? Thanks man.

[@TheRCAddict]

Yeah, the first one is always the hardest and most expensive. If you can find a kit and build videos that you can follow along to it would certainly help. Just go slow and make sure everything is correct before doing it :)

[@frostlife]

Hey man, do you mind helping me with a similar issue? I have the same mid throttle oscillations in your video that I can't figure out. It happens on default PIDs. I'm using a KISS FC with KISS 24a ESCs, and T-Motor F60 2450kv motors. I have a video on my channel about the problem and hopefully you can watch it and give some input. I also only had one small crash, and that was into grass (link to it is in the video description on my channel). It would really suck if it were my motors, because this is a brand new build! If it's because one strike in grass killed one of my F60's, I'm switching to Lumenier RX2206's. Thank you for taking the time to do this PID tuning series, I've learned a lot from it in the past. These mid/semi-high throttle oscillations are really bugging me with this KISS setup.

[@TheRCAddict]

You obviously haven't been watching many of the popular pilots lately ;) Especially with Kiss, I bet soft mounting your motors will fix the issues. Kiss is known for those.

[@frostlife]

Haha, I've been keeping up with it. I'll go ahead and give it a try. I wish I knew why KISS is known for mid throttle vibrations...

[@TheRCAddict]

***** Not sure why, just something to do with their firmware I guess. Probably why the KISS users are having such great sucess with softmounting the motors sicne the KISS fc is very sensitive to vibrations.

[@djkrava33]

Hi, i see Yaw glitches at ~1350 throttle))

[@TheRCAddict]

They are there the whole time haha. As I said, muddy bearings.

[@johnmccay6691]

Hey RCAddict A bunch of us have taken advantage of this really inexpensive build from banggood the RealAcc GX210. Would be great if you could get your hands on one and give us your take on this 210 X frame with the racerstar motors

[@TheRCAddict]

I have considered it but no one has offered to send it and I can't afford anything right now haha. Also it has been covered by many others.

[@johnmccay6691]

Yeah its been out a while and a lot of videos but none as good as yours. Are you looking at any builds in the near future

[@TheRCAddict]

john mccay New build already here, just waiting on the frame. It is a "high" cost freestyle build. Should be super kick ass.

[@johnmccay6691]

Great looking forward to your next video cant wait to see your high dollar build

[@sckulpa465]

what fc are you using and what are your rates like

[@TheRCAddict]

X racer V3.1. RC Rate of 1.1 on roll pitch and yaw. Rate of .80 of roll and pitch, and .70 on yaw.

[@sckulpa465]

If I put these rates and pids on a naze32 would it fly similar? Thanks

[@TheRCAddict]

SCKulpa Ok BF 3.0 or higher it should. But you will need to tune it, PIDs are different for every quads.

[@niswardfpv7949]

Awesome tuning video man...wassup with the baby tricopter???

[@TheRCAddict]

I have a tail twitch, that I am pretty sure isn't PIDs, plus when I try to do the servo tune mode mine will count down, but no matter how long I over hands off, for probably a total of 8 minutes once, it will not complete :( I tried asking on facbook and sending messages to David himself, but no response or answer on FB that solved it. So here it sits, brand new and collecting dust :( :(

[@TheRCAddict]

I will do my best to give it a second chance tomorrow, softmounting the FC AND the motors.

[@niswardfpv7949]

OMGG. i m so sorry for you i understand the feeling. hope you solve it soon. maan such a shame and such a bad customer service :(((((((((((((

[@niswardfpv7949]

it sucks sooo bad....do you think the servo may have some problems??

[@LarokCreations]

I have always had this question. Why does snow not scare you? I mean wet grass scares me.

[@TheRCAddict]

I mean, I am not a fan of crashing into the snow or wet things, but I have never had any permanent damage from doing so. Just have had to let it fully dry overnight as it wouldn't boot up anymore due to the water on the board and escs etc. Since I have never had any lasting damage I just dismiss it.

[@LarokCreations]

ah, thanks

[@mrhilma]

Round the tree works for me

[@cinebodzfilms7586]

hi thx for this video u help me a lot. i have the same setup in a martian 2 frame and it workes so well thx 4 that ;)

[@TheRCAddict]

haha nice :)

[@garrykennedy5484]

I'm so jealous of your place to fly. You have water for boats and water aircraft and plenty of room for a regular runway for large RC planes. Can you adopt me? I am 50, but who cares? LOL I'll do work around the place too. LOL

[@cavezon4686]

good work thank you

[@TheRCAddict]

:D

[@seth1530]

it's 65 degrees today. making a video, crazy PA weather at it again

[@TheRCAddict]

It's like 30 right now, but fog all day :/

[@daneyan1985]

The RCAddict what part of pa you in man?, I'm near nazareth pa and it was crazy foggy today. Almost Impossible to fly more than 10 feet off the ground where I live. I live close to the foot of a mountain so that doesn't help with the fog either.

[@TheRCAddict]

daneyan1985 I am around williamsport. It was foggy day here as well. I didn't fly as was working on 3d printing things and getting ready to film some indoor stuff tomorrow (aka wasting the day doing nothing :( )

[@seth1530]

The RCAddict I didn't get to fly either, my spots were occupied by people because it was nice out lol

[@MsPatrikV]

👍👍👍

[@TheRCAddict]

:-)

[@Ozem_Israel]

if they didn't soft mount the engine in your car, your teeth would fall out.

[@TheRCAddict]

Are car engines softmounted? From any cars I worked on looked like they were bolted right in.

[@Ozem_Israel]

The RCAddict most cars have a rubber bushing inside a metal bracket to hold the engine, race cars have stiffer bushings polyurethane and maybe the most hard core would have it direct bolted.

[@TheRCAddict]

Funny as I just saw a video where someone else brings this up. Thanks for the info!