MSFS | OPENXR TOOLKIT FOR VR | TUTORIAL | MUST SEE!

[@josejacobuk]

Just found this tool and your channel and OMG!! this was transformative on my Rift S. Was struggling to get a sharp image on my 3080 above 25 FPS. But with this I'm locked at 40 and am slowly sneaking up the quality settings to high. THANK YOU!!

[@fredflorist1682]

Thanks to mbucchia and you guys supporting him. Thanks for doing great work without compensation. Moucho gracias! Merci beaucoup! You guys are making VR fun and more immersive than ever. This is a quantum leap from where we were.

[@willemmeints3123]

Great toolkit. This improved my experience a lot! I was able to finally get decent performance without sacrificing too much of the graphic detail with my RTX2060 Super. Thanks for sharing!

[@_zeranom]

I just download the NIS Scaler file, but now it’s better time to wait until tomorrow. I am excited and looking forward to your video and introduction. Thank you and see ya ✌️✈️

[@SimHangerFS]

Thanks for the update Chris, interesting your using the FSR option. I’ll give that a go.

[@kennykanada]

GUI is indeed tricky at first. And can use it only in VR mode now, not desktop. Shows much promise. Will experiment with it. VR is slowly getting better and better with every month that passes! Thanks! 👍

[@sascenturion]

So far the gui is a pain in the a....ss haven't managed to get into the programme yet ,,i guess I'm too slow because i always only get 2 seconds to activate it by the time vr starts up

[@kennykanada]

@@sascenturion Hold the CTR key and get ready to press the F2 key, then keep pressing F2 as it goes down the menu through the settings, stop at the timer and hit F3 which will set it at 60 seconds. After you figure the pattern and keys, it becomes intuitive, really :)

[@mbucchia]

@@kennykanada Thanks for replying to this question! Yes you can press Ctrl+F2 _any time_ not just when the message shows up upon entering VR. You can then use the Menu timeout setting to get more time :)

[@tato3421]

Thanks for all of your hard work. My first experience with a PICO 4 using VR in MSFS 2020. Loved it. My biggest issue is modifying the settings in VR. Very difficult and I gave up. Time outs. Will try another day. It would be nice to see the settings outside of the VR headset.

[@GroggyGreg]

Wow... i just had the smoothest flight I’ve ever had in msfs2020! And I haven’t even tuned the settings yet! I love the effect the sharpness had on the trees, made them look much better! Odyssey plus, 1080ti, 7700k, 16g ram, ssd drive. 80% nis scale and 30% sharpness. In the cessna 152, flying low i never had a single dip below 30 fps, with reprojection on and prop textures deleted it was perfectly smooth! Interestingly when i flew higher and the fps started fluctuating i got more stutters, it seemed to try and lock it at 30 and 45... but sometimes would fluctuate between them and cause stutters, im gonna try locking at 30 fps in nvidea control panel... In the pmdg dc6 i got a smooth 30fps at 200-300 feet, best result so far! Below that and landing it would go below 30 and cause stuttering but still the smoothest landings in this plane ever! Absolute lowest fps dip was 23, maybe i can adjust some settings and finally get stutter free landings in the dc6... Amazing tool!!! Thank you matt!!!

[@Darrylx444]

Question (just to be sure I understand this): This OpenXR Toolkit only affects MSFS, and will not affect ANY other game, correct? I currently use the openvr_fsr mod for better performance in DCS World and IL-2, but don't want to mess that up if this could interfere. The openvr_fsr mod is installed in each separate game exe folder only, so I don't expect a conflict with MSFS.

[@gerardvanbeek6710]

Excellent video, as always from PIE OF THE SKY. Fantastic toolbox. Special thanks to Matthieu Bucchianeri , Jean-Luc Dupiot and many others. In my opinion one of the best contributions to the Microsoft flight simulator world. For me as VR user with a RTX 2070 Super card and HP Reverb V2 the quality is fantastic, with medium to high settings and a 31 FPS

[@manuelv2236]

Great tutorial. One question, do you have to launch OpenXR toolkit companion app BEFORE you launch MSFS for it to work every time you launch MSFS?

[@kevinbrook7033]

Thanks for the video! I can see from your settings you no longer cap your FPS to 32 but have it unlimited? Will it still work with a 32 fps limit? I prefer that as it seems to give me smoother performance and also quietens my fans. Also, are you still flying with motion reprojection disabled?

[@perschistence2651]

Isn't the temporal upscaler the game offers superior to these spacial upscalers?

[@toose70]

Thanks and for the video. I run the OPenxR tool kit and can see it’s active, I can even see the CTRL F2 prompt in my Quest2 goggles, but when press CTRL F2 the menu does not appear?

[@HK-yh6gj]

Thank you Chris and thank you Matt for this great tool. I use the FSR option (thanks Chris) with my 3070 at 80% with 50 % sharpness. It works phantastic!! Capped my framerate to 32fps. Will also try the NIS option tomorrow.

[@donc9751]

When you say "with my 3070 at 80% and sharpness at 50%" You're talking about 80% for nis, or fsr whichever of the 2 you used right? Thank you!

[@HK-yh6gj]

@@donc9751 Hi, Don. I use FSR. FSR works better than NIS in my eyes ( Reverb G2)

[@ErhanGaming]

G'day, I hope you see this comment. I tried to research online for this particular question but to no avail. I find that when I control helicopters the collective always seems to "let go" at some point, and also I find that I need to "re-grip" the cyclic to restore the helicopters attitude. Do you know if there is a fix for this by any chance?

[@charliecooper5457]

Is this using FSR 2.0? Which is better for this game - FSR or NIS?

[@hyper_annette]

Is this tool only for flight sim or does it also work for every other game?

[@martinschmidt5541]

Hi Thanks for your video - how do you film the VR content without splitted eye displays ? In Steam VR you can choose one eye and can film your VR content with OBS but in Microsoft mixed reality VR I always see split screen on my monitor and cannot film what I see in my goggles ?

[@Mika-he9xi]

So basically to test it, you chose NIS, then FSR, then restart the VR headset without going to main menu? And you still have to do this to change resolutions?

[@MrEDET]

You use either NIS or FSR (in my case I didn't see any difference in fps between both). Chose one, exit and reenter VR (so no need to go back to the main menu), check the fps.. switch to the other one, check again.. play with the scale slider so find that sweet spot between best graphics and for you acceptable fps. But after every change, also with the scale slider, you need to exit and reenter VR mode for it to become active.

[@ShugarJunki]

Im missing something, sorry new to this. Downloaded the openxr toolkit, but only that companion app menu opens up, I dont see the overlay in vr when I press Ctrl-F2. IS there a separate developer toolkit I must download as well? That part wasnt really clear and under resources there isn't another app to download. Thanks in advance! And thanks for the video.

[@chiccoka]

hi.Thanks for the video. Im a very newborn in vr word. When you do a setup in the menu its asking to restrart VR application.How do you do that exactly on msfs.Just it means the shortcut to go back to desktop mode??Please let me know? TIA

[@strangelynormal2]

Hi, your videos are always very concise and informative, thank you. I have a quick question. I noticed , in your NVIDIA settings you have "Monitor Technology" set to G-Sync. Since our Reverb G2s are not G-Sync compatible would it be beneficial to try UMB or fixed (I have no idea what those mean). Again thanks for the informative videos.

[@J1mmyWA]

Great video but I had to watch another to learn that I needed to download OpenXR Tools for Windows Mixed Reality from Microsoft to get the developers toolbox.

[@B747jj]

Thanks very much for all the good info. Just watched 3 of your videos in a row. This helped a lot and I cannot wait to be home to try these.

[@B747jj]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS I have absolutely no doubt about that.

[@PG-yc9by]

so when you say remove any previous NIS youve installed, do you mean you have to remove OpenXR for windows mixed reality from the MS store??

[@sonusmeister2325]

Just a head's up, you can use Magpie for FSR if you don't use VR

[@donc9751]

Great info and very helpful thank you! New viewer and subscriber! Can't wait to learn about the experimental options!

[@MrEDET]

Great stuff, this makes it so much easier experimenting with different settings while remaining in VR. I didn't see any fps differences between NIS and FSR so I kept using NIS. But the fps counter showed me it was worth going from 80% to 74%, that increased my fps with about 5fps. On my 2080S I need that :) BTW I think the CTRL-F1 to instantly switch NIS on and off doesn't work anymore?

[@mbucchia]

It does. When you switch back to Off in the menu (but even without restart VR) the upscaler is temporarily disabled). It's sort of an undocumented feature :D

[@MrEDET]

@@mbucchia Hey that's weird. With the former NIS tool I saw a huge difference, turning it off would make the gfx blurry. Now I don't see any difference at all when I press ctrl-F1..

[@mbucchia]

@@MrEDET Please read-back my comment. It's not Ctrl+F1. If you are using NIS or FSR, then in the menu you switch to Off, you will get the warning "Please restart VR" _but_ the upscaler will also be disabled. This is equivalent to what Ctrl+F1 was doing before, but again this is via the _menu_ now.

[@MrEDET]

@@mbucchia ah I misunderstood. Thanks :)

[@whitav8]

Great Video Chris - thanks much! Where are you flying - I'd like to do some F18 low level there. I seem to always need to fly with ASW/MotionReprojection and find that's it is smoothest with a very consistent framerate (FPS) - I am mostly flying helicopters at very low level and yawing a bit frequently which stutters unless I have frame interpolation. Is there any chance that this toolkit could help with capping the rate or just helping find a locked downsample of the HMD rate (e.g. 90-45-30-22, or 80-40-20, 72-36-24). Thanks again!

[@MrBoxxxed]

Where do I find the openxr developer tool? Still don't know where half of these interfaces are found. Thanks

[@SURG3NT]

Hi So do I need to install WMR software to use this even though I’m using Varjo Aero? I’m confused.. there’s no clear instruction I can find about using it with the Varjo …Cheers

[@terenceh511]

Do you need the open xr developer tool for quest 2 aswell? Or just the toolkit? Thank's for the helpful videos.

[@mbucchia]

Just the toolkit. For Quest 2 you can use the Oculus tools instead to adjust the render scale to 100%

[@terenceh511]

@@mbucchia Thank you for that (: Much appreciated!

[@haiacninc]

Great update!! Thanks sir!

[@haiacninc]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS my gosh my experience with the a3nx which know for heavy frame drop. I have the smoothest experience. Also with the f35 flying fast at low atitude in city are great performance also. Best tool so far

[@Gee44Bee]

Great work thank you very much I am using the exact settings as yours with RTX3080ti I get 10fps gain fantastic

[@GunniesLetsFlyVFR]

Looks great. Can you confirm this works on the rift s. I have selected the beta option but continue to get no headset connected. Any guidance welcome. Thanks

[@mbucchia]

Maybe you have accidentally enabled the wrong OpenXR runtime. Not sure what it is for the Rift, but I think you need to enable Oculus as the OpenXR runtime from the Oculus tool.

[@GunniesLetsFlyVFR]

@@mbucchia Thanks, yes using Oculus and able to select openxr as the runtime there. Obviously I'm screwing somthing up. Thx

[@michaelkehr7284]

I would prefer a slim version like the beta version. I only need the upscaling rate and sharpening - and I'd like that again as a small desktop application.

[@ztublackstaff]

This is amazing, I hope this is will make a huge differences with my 2070 i7…. Thanks for this.

[@highaltitude787]

Awesome video Chris! Will definitely try it today

[@highaltitude787]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS will do buddy

[@WnDTech]

I'm having major problems as soon as I install anything openxr, other than what comes with meta, really frustrating, because I see the results in videos, but can't never get it working. It's smoother without, but clarity just isn't there.

[@SS88AB]

great video and toolkit!! Thanks a lot for sharing! I downloaded it and it's amazing!! However I have a small issue that maybe you know how to solve. When the menu times out or when you manually close it, I can see a "ghost" image of the menu itself overlaying everything else. It's like a heat distortion effect which has the rectangular shape of where the menu would be. This doesn't happen when the menu is on. So far the workaround was to enable the FPS counter and hide it below the bottom of the screen. Do you know how to fix this? My headset is an HP reverb G1, running windows 10, latest drivers, RTX3090, DX11. Thanks!

[@guylarochelle9793]

Hello, I want to start experimenting with this tool, I have a Quest 2 and I can't open the OpenXR Developers Tools for WMR to set the custom render scale to 100%. With the Quest 2, would it be the same as going into the Oculus app and setting the rendering resolution at 1.0x ? Thanks!

[@jpvanderhaegen]

Does this update bring more fps compared to the previous "openxr nis scanner" ? Or it is only "fsr" and more tools available ?

[@mbucchia]

Probably not but every configuration is different. I think you should experiment with FSR, perhaps FSR will allow you to reduce the resolution even more without sacrificing clarity. This could help with FPS as a result.

[@jpvanderhaegen]

@@mbucchia Thank you !

[@_Jake.From.Statefarm_]

I have everything running and even in demo I can't get the menu to work on a quest2. I have the API layer set, opencomposite active (that's for launching openxr in dcs) but not matter what I remap the keys to, the menu will not work. any advice?

[@4secsharkmr352]

Excellent video Chris 👍👍👍

[@Daniel_Goddard]

Great vid and toolkit. Would be great if some sort og gamma correction brightness control could be implemented in to the toolkit.

[@dronepilot918]

Is this the same as the Microsoft store open XR?

[@karmabasedj8184]

Will this work with Virtual Desktop+Quest 2?

[@agordon20024]

How do you enter the values or make changes? I understand using Ctrl+F1 etc to move the highlight but how are changes made and entered (saved)?

[@agordon20024]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS Thanks for your reply but this isn't working for me in IL2 Sturmovik.

[@javipamp]

Can we use this software with Pimax hmd? Thanks

[@dwayneearle8787]

Any install differences for MSFS Steam users?

[@rawdmon]

I tried using the OpenXR Toolkit with the Flight Sim Beta 10 with DirectX 12 and DLSS enabled, it immediately crashes the sim when switching to VR after installing the toolkit. To fix it I have to uninstall everything related to OpenXR including the toolkit and the OpenXR packages then reinstall them again. Unfortunate because I was really looking forward to having this level of control. UPDATE: switching from DX12 to DX11 fixed it.

[@jJustPlayingNZ]

The previous NIS scaler operated from the desktop instead of in the Headset, better that way in my opinion. I can't use keyboard in VR and hate taking the headset off once I start to fly. I have gone back to the previous version.

[@mbucchia]

Thanks for the feedback. You don't need to use the keyboard and the menu once you've come up with the best settings for you. Those settings are saved. If you plan on changing settings "on the fly", then with the old tool didn't you have to take off your headset anyway?

[@jJustPlayingNZ]

@@mbucchia Yes I understand that. I don't want to change on the fly. I setup with the earlier one and haven't touched it since. I just didn't see the reason for having the new one run in the headset? If it is going to have more features later then having it in the MSFS 2020 VR settings would be the ideal then you could just use the mouse. BTW many thanks for your work on this, it has made a big difference in VR Quality for me.

[@pchow6829]

Completely agree. The interface while in VR is the worst.

[@mbucchia]

@@jJustPlayingNZ There are more features already in the toolkit and being able to modify those while in VR with the headset on is a must. For example setting the world scale would not be a good experience if done from the desktop tool, and would be very cumbersome. Being able to integrate to the game's VR Settings menu would be great, but remember that we are not the developers of the game - we simply cannot do this type of stuff. Same for intercepting the mouse movements. If as you said, you are only changing the settings occasionally and while not flying, the in-VR menu shouldn't be this much of an impediment, especially compared to having to take the headset off like before! By switching back to the older version, you are missing out on some great features like FSR which will bring you even better quality! Hoping you can find a compromise!

[@jJustPlayingNZ]

@@mbucchia Thanks for taking the time to explain all that. I'll give it a go, I still think that the developers need to do something to bring all these different tweaks and settings and separate pieces of software relating to VR into their VR settings. I use Assetto Corsa a lot for sim racing and the Content Manager/Custom Shaders Patch/Sol guys have done an excellent job in this regard and they have far smaller resources to call upon.

[@OffiicialSteff]

When i use this on my quest 2, everytime i enable VR mode, it just gives me a black screen… any ideas?

[@longbowdt]

I'd love to try this scaler, but both my AV and MS advised against it. I can overrule both, of course. I've done that with another application without issue. I have searched my PC for a scaler, and have not found one except for one in the Nvidia control panel, which I disabled for MSFS2020 VR. Any advice?

[@longbowdt]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS rgrt. Will do.👍

[@Shamdouh1]

what do you mean exactly by restart VR session ? deactivate and activate VR mood?

[@Shamdouh1]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS thank you

[@angeli662]

Does it work with MSFS 2020 steam?

[@MrHeinzight]

After reading all these comments I was very excited to try it. However, it gets caught in a loop and if it installed it never runs and goes back to the download page. Very disappointed! Win 10 64b, Asus Strix MB, 24 GB RAM, GTX1050.

[@vracan]

i don't have a mixed reality headset I have pimax which uses steamvr. The openxr tool does not show up in my headset. Any ideas?

[@Mika-he9xi]

Hi, thanks for your work! Since you are in contact with the developer of this amazing tool, could you maybe tell him about adding VR contrast and luminosity settings like the ones we can find in the Freestyle mode of GeForce Experience software? This would be the ultimate addon! thanks :)

[@mbucchia]

We're working on image contrast and exposure adjustments for a future version. Can't tell yet how much we can do to improve, but we will be trying all we can for sure!!

[@mantasltu5811]

Thank you , but i am still confused: So we have 2 ways, we can set the upscaling factor. Above 100% and below 100% so will it work with steam OpenXR? or oculus openXR? cuz windows OpenXR does not detect mine oculus i do not know why :/

[@mantasltu5811]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS alright, i will try and all settings for sure, thank you ✨

[@davidalbright4391]

I don’t like the in-game interface. It is very hard to use. I don’t like having to use the keyboard under the hood.

[@mbucchia]

You have to remember that by nature, this cannot integrate to the game (like using the mouse for example). At least in this new version you don't have to take off your headset to adjust settings, which IMO is a step forward. Do you have suggestions on improving the keyboard experience? Thanks!

[@LandoCalr]

Everything is beautiful! EXCEPT the instrument displays. They are so blurry! I haven't figure out a way to sharpen those. I have to bend over to see them and by the time I get close enough I'm out of my guardian range.

[@davidmorrow3871]

please can you help? im looking to d/l openxr. thats it. i just want a link to d/l openxr. not open xr toolkit

[@stephenlowndes3906]

Thank you for all of the videos you have done, I hope you or someone might be able to help me with a problem I am facing. I feel like I have tried all the settings you have multiple times over and all the different combinations when driver updates are released, but I still face the same issue; outside world stutter. So right now for instance I am getting 40+fps, I have also tried locking the frame rate to 28 and 32. The cockpit is sharp and really smooth, when I turn my head the outside world is sharp and smooth, but the moment I move the aircraft the outside world stutters like crazy, whilst the aircraft and cockpit remain smooth. I do not get this stutter if I use Virtual Desktop through Steam VR, but then there is the slightest stutter everywhere and it’s not quite as clear. Airlink or cable make no difference. i7 10700, 2080ti, 32gb Ram, thanks in advance!

[@stephenlowndes3906]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS thanks for replying! Yes most of my testing is with the oculus app and even with a render resolution below 1.0 (getting 45fps with this but only because it’s limited by the AWS setting) this issue still happens. I have come to the conclusion that it occurs only when I go through the Link cable or Airlink, as even when I go through one of those, then through Steam it still occurs. But when I use Virtual Desktop, it’s fine. Might reinstall the oculus software..

[@Ricky270909]

This is a known oculus bug. I solved mine by changing the sound output in my pc settings to anything other than the quest 2. I ended up reverting to Virtual Desktop though as not having sound was an issue!

[@Ricky270909]

No worries. I have a quick question myself, I get mid 40 fps with my 3080 and 12th gen intel however I still find it quite jerky when I look sideways without motion reprojection on. When you say you get smooth flights are you typically using MR or have you managed to get it smooth without?

[@RobiestronyPl]

What exactly mean " Requires to restart the VR session." in case of msfs with Oculus Quest 2 setup via AirLink?

[@Mayhem6633]

You can read about all the stuff on the website. There's a complete guide. Restarting the VR session just means to exit VR and the re-enter VR. You don't have to restart the game.

[@mbucchia]

This means Ctrl-Tab to switch to 2D then Ctrl-Tab again to switch to VR. No need to restart the whole game.

[@mbucchia]

@@Mayhem6633 Great answer, thank you for fielding questions!

[@Mayhem6633]

@@mbucchia Well thanks, but you wrote such a good guide I think people should read it. And of course, the software is the best so thanks for that too!

[@kalanihanako6087]

how do you get it to stop using steam vr

[@1habel]

Great tool but it doesnt start with ctr+F2 and no way to change keybindings for activation so I can not use it

[@Ruffian_Xion]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS That's just for changing the keys for moving around in the main app once it's open. There's no option to change the binding for opening the app, so if CTRL-F2 doesn't work (I have the same problem) the app is unusable.

[@SkyKing-Opa]

Can one install this and use with SteamVR? How?

[@SkyKing-Opa]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS Thanx 👍

[@simpedros4766]

I've found my performance is much worse with the toolkit over the previous tool. :( I noticed you had had to drop alot of settings from your previous settings to get best performance.

[@richardPalmisano]

hey my friend do ihave to have the nis scaler installed first or this covers both becuase i dont have the nis scaler tool installed

[@Mayhem6633]

Definitely not. If it is installed it must be uninstalled before using this tool. So you're good. Just download and use this tool.

[@richardPalmisano]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS great thanks are you usinf motion reprojection on or off

[@richardPalmisano]

@@Mayhem6633 thanks buddy its awesome

[@richardPalmisano]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS thanks buddy i love it fps jump for sure lol

[@maxmaxed2887]

I don't get this upscaling tool at all. Whenever I go below 100% it lowers down resolution. But when I go above 100% say to 200% it also lowers down resolution. What's the point of freaking upscaling then if all it does is lowering resolution and making it look like crap? When I upscale in SteamVR it actually does upscale when I go above 100%

[@klemlao5463]

I am running Pimax 8K plus and cannot get the whole menu in view in VR, it is top left and partially of the screen. Is there a way to move it? I looked in two cfg files but can't see anything obvious.

[@mbucchia]

Thanks for the report, we are aware that the menu is not working well with canted displays like the ones of the Pimax. No way to move it in this version no. Can you take a screenshot using the Ctrl+F12 key (must be enabled in the Companion app first!) and send it to me? Either file a bug report on the website or join our Discord server (the one listed on the toolkit website). Thanks!

[@klemlao5463]

@@mbucchia I have raised a bug report under the title 'Toolkit Menu is partially off-screen top left'. I forgot to say I am running Windows 10 Home.

[@charlieh2492]

Hi can you help I am a novice? I have a Quest 2 and a 3080Ti, I7-11900K and 32gig of ram system. I have installed and setup as per your instruction but can see no visual improvement. 80% Factor in FSR is nowhere near your 2542 x 2470 it is more like 1544 x 14?? is there a reason for this. Also the FPS drops well below 30fps and the stutters at low altitude are horrendous!

[@cyberbol]

He not using quest 2. That's way his resolution is bigger.

[@charlieh2492]

@@cyberbol Thanks for your reply. Strangley though looking at the rendering resoultion he gets on his Quest 2 at 90hz and redering resolution of 1.3x the rsolution is far higher than on mine? Not sure why and i am wondering if I have a setting wrong somehere as the VR experience is pants! Again I am a novice!!

[@charlieh2492]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS Thanks will do. Also when I run the OpenXR developer tool it says my headset is not found/connected? Should it be?

[@charlieh2492]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS Yes it does work in MSFS however I am still getting pants res, seriously it is no better with openXR so I must have a setting wrong somewhere::(

[@charlieh2492]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS 100 in game and 100 on OpenXR

[@richardPalmisano]

not sure how to change the settings lol i want to copy yours but i have tyo admit i see a fps jump with the default settings so how do you changet the settings. i know you only have about 35 seconds to change it

[@mbucchia]

I don't know what you mean. You can change the settings any time by opening the menu with Ctrl+F2.

[@richardPalmisano]

@@mbucchia yes figured it out thanks

[@DaveEales72]

Hi….Every time I try and press control + F2 to bring up the overlay (Whilst in MSFS) it just opens up the Edge browser on my monitor. What am I doing wrong? Also, it’s absolutely ridiculous that you only have 10 seconds to try and open that overly ffs!

[@DaveEales72]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS thanks for the reply….How would I change it in OpenXR Toolkit?

[@DaveEales72]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS ok, I’ll have another look. Thanks

[@mbucchia]

You can open the menu any time you want. You don't have a 10s to do it. We only display the "reminder" banner for 10s! That would be ridiculous otherwise!

[@DaveEales72]

Ok….I’ve got it sorted now (my stupid Logitech wireless keyboard has preset hot keys, so I had to download software in order to disable them and let the F keys function as they should). I’ve now got it as per your suggested settings (which work well for my RTX 3070). Awesome setting suggestions, thanks…..and huge thanks to mbucchia, of course! Quick question regarding the UserCfg file settings in conjunction with the Open XR Toolkit………Do you have Sharpen at 0 or have you left at 1? Also, what about ColorGrading and FilmGrain, do you have them set to 0 too or are they best left at 1?

[@MW_1535]

Moving the factor up or down decreases the resolution for me. Seems like a bug so this tool is unusable for me. Quest 2. Render res in game and in oculus to are at 100.

[@mbucchia]

Maybe I misunderstand, but that's exactly the point of it and not a bug. This tools allows to reduce the resolution the game is using for rendering while "upscaling" that output to the higher resolution of the headset, and applying filtering and sharpening to mitigate the lower rendering resolution.

[@MW_1535]

@@mbucchia when I move the factor number down (like 80), the resolution reported directly to the right goes down. When I move it up (like 120) it also goes down. The highest reported number is when I set the scale at 100. Maybe I'm misunderstanding how it's supposed to work.

[@mbucchia]

@@MW_1535 This is intended. Please take a look at the instructions on our website, under Features -> Upscaling. I cannot share a link because YT will likely block it.

[@MW_1535]

@@mbucchia thanks. I'll take a look.

[@TheOneTrueSpLiT]

What location are you flying at from @0:15?

[@TheOneTrueSpLiT]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS Ooooh, never been there before, so many thanks (I thought it was possibly the Mach Loop, I really shouldn't be flying these days with my god-awful eyesight!) I assume those valleys you're buzzing down are the hills to the north then? 😉

[@JCCFlying]

I still cant seem to get this app to work. When Its active and I try to switch to VR inside MSFS I get an error saying there is no headset attached, but when I deactivate it, vr works ... Cant figure it out

[@JCCFlying]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS HP Reverb G2

[@JCCFlying]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS Wondering if its a Windows 11 issue, so will clean install Windows 10 and see if it works. Thanks anyway & great content

[@JCCFlying]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS Turns out Windows Mixed Reality didn't get installed, so missing runtime dependencies. Works great now 🙂

[@JCCFlying]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS So now another issue, when I move my head in VR there is alot of stuttering .. Any thoughts

[@JCCFlying]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS Have it set to 100

[@sergelasserre3206]

Yes ... I did the same thing

[@SkyKing-Opa]

Tool kit works shows up in SteamVR but how do you keep it from timing out?

[@mbucchia]

You're going to gave to explain what you mean here. What does "keep it from timing out" means?

[@SkyKing-Opa]

@@mbucchia Oh the man arrives. That’s all right Sir I figured it out just had to read your instructions again. Again I thank you so much. I know your still working on the PiMax headset. All is going good. You are one smart individual.

[@SkyKing-Opa]

That’s okay I posted this first then I watched the Video 😢 sorry

[@Mayhem6633]

FYI: there's a bug which renders all the text on the menu jumbled and not readable. It's being tracked as an issue on the website and seems to be happening for people with an AMD graphics card. Right now this tool is not usable for me until this is fixed. You can't read anything!

[@richardevanswilliams]

Hi, try this workaround, switch to DX12, the menu will be readable, make the changes you are testing, then revert back to DX11 to fly, bit of a long winded way, but get team red back in the game until resolved by developer.

[@Mayhem6633]

@@richardevanswilliams Great, thanks. I'll give that a try. A little extra effort is definitely worth it for such a great tool 🙂

[@Mayhem6633]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS Thanks for the heads up. That's great it got fixed so quick.

[@keyhanpanahi1314]

I got XrResult Failure [XR_ERROR_FILE_ACCESS_ERROR] on OpenXR Developer Tools home and system status pages after installation.Did I do something wrong?

[@4stringonly]

I got this error multiple times using the beta 1 version of NIS on a fresh Windows 10 install. Had lengthy discussions w the dev to try to fix the error but unfortunately had no success. Keeping my fingers crossed that this new release will work but not holding my breath. If you find a solution, please share.

[@keyhanpanahi1314]

@@4stringonly The point is, it's working and Improved the FPS by 10 or so. My system spec is 12900K, 3080 Ti and Windows 11. I don't know if it's related to the hardware or software. I reinstalled the windows with all updates to make sure there is nothing to conflict with it, got the same result.

[@MrNeilRoberts]

@@keyhanpanahi1314 Win11 and OpenXR are a mess so you need to “upgrade” to Windows 10 😊

[@keyhanpanahi1314]

@@MrNeilRoberts Believe me or not, I'm in the middle of....

[@AndreSmith]

FRUSTRATING ASF !! Trying to use this UI in VR it's not intuitive, can't go left on sub menus, hand tracking seems to be outright broke with index scrolling, selecting is delayed, I'm going back to the OG version 😖😖😖

[@mbucchia]

Sorry to hear that. Most people have been doing OK from the feedback I received. Can you elaborate on your feedback and/or open an issue in the project. Like I don't understand "can't go left submenu", or what you mean by "index scrolling". I'd love to hear more details and suggestions so I could actually make improvements. Thanks!

[@SallySparks]

How do you properly uninstall NIS Scaler? Nothing in the install instructions or NIS READ ME on this.

[@Mayhem6633]

You can open the start menu and type "remove" and you'll see the option for "add or remove programs". Open that, scroll down to "openxr nis...", click on it and then select uninstall.

[@jamiesalmonsculpture8599]

Someone else did a video on this. Can't remember who, but they uninstalled by reinstalling it I think. Sounds weird but when reinstalling it it also gives an option to uninstall.

[@4stringonly]

if you run the installer again after NIS is installed, you will have options to repair or remove. This is the recommended method for removal (at least for the beta 1).

[@gyeltsen]

Will this work in Windows 11?

[@mbucchia]

It should yes and I think a few people have confirmed it so far.

[@dunxy]

Shame it doesnt work with the vives :(

[@mbucchia]

We have a fix for the Vive! It will be released later this week.

[@1965kings]

CTD when opening msfs with this👈🏿

[@mbucchia]

Please follow the troubleshooting guide steps on the website to file a report and attach the log file.

[@christopherfrost7041]

Is anyone else getting around 60 FPS on the FPS counter with the settings in the video (FSR 80% Factor & 60% sharpness)? This can't be right. Maybe it's showing the monitor FPS? I first set the max frame rate in Nvidia CP to 32, and it easily stayed ~ 30 while flying. I then set it to 60, and again, it hit 60. I then set it to 90 FPS to match the Reverb G2, and now it hangs around 54 to 64 depending on where I'm flying. It feels smooth for the most part, but this is MSFS we're talking about here. Is anyone else seeing this w/ their set up? Reprojection is disabled, so I don't think that's the issue.

[@christopherfrost7041]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS Yeah, they're both are set to 100. I've been working on almost endless performance settings and tweaks (using the new WMR home, no Steam VR home, single monitor set to 1080p vs virtual monitors, etc.) since this game launched, and I had the previous NIS openxr tool Mark created (uninstalled), but I've never seen my FPS this high before. Can't be right. That's why I'm thinking it's giving me the monitor's FPS. The only other setting I changed today was the Nvidia CP prerender frames from 1 to 2. My settings in the CP are now pretty much (90 max frame rate currently) matched to yours for MSFS. Are you getting close to 60FPS when you are not recording?

[@christopherfrost7041]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS Yup, small aircraft taking off from Honolulu when testing. I feel that offers a bit of everything in close proximity (minus photogrammetry). Silky smooth for the most part. If I'm close to the ground and rotate the plane too fast, the trees my eyes stay focused on get blurry, but smooth & steady flying is dreamlike now. And with the 80/60 suggestion in your video, the clarity is amazing.

[@fredflorist1682]

What's your GPU ? I'm guessing 3090 ? I've a 3070 and am seeing +10fps at scale 70% sharpen 40% with either NIS or FSR. FSR seems to be better. 10fps is a lot of GPU "cash" to go spending on other settings.

[@christopherfrost7041]

@@fredflorist1682 Was this message for me? I have pretty decent specs, but not the latest from intel. B550 Tomahawk, 5800x, 32gb 3600, 3090 ftw3 ultra, 980 pro 1TB, Windows 11, HW Accelerator On, Game Mode Off, Nvidia driver 511.23. The first big improvement (smoothness) I noticed was when I moved (actually ended up reinstalling) MSFS to the 980 pro which hosts the OS. Most people suggest keeping games on a separate drive, but with the Tomahawk, I wouldn't be taking advantage of gen 4. This OpenXR tool has been a leap in performance for me. I haven't even tried NIS on this tool. I was so shocked with the results I had to reach out. I wonder what DLSS will offer for our GPUs.

[@fredflorist1682]

@@christopherfrost7041 Awesome. I got +10fps or so with the tool, but I've only 3070.

[@bro977]

Use with varjo aero?

[@mbucchia]

Not yet - there's a bug today, looking into it but it's hard without having an Aero myself to debug!

[@Dervakon]

@@mbucchia thanks, for your hard work. I have a Aero, I hope so you will find a solution because your tool is a must to have

[@castanddrive2023]

I have an aero and tried it today but it blacks out the displays and won’t work. Hopefully an update will fix it

[@SkyKing-Opa]

How do I find you on Discord Sir

[@azhkell]

anyone has experience poor looking water with the settings? mine is pixelated and has lines in it even if my settings are at ultra

[@azhkell]

@@PIEINTHESKYTOURS I have everything maxed out, I am wondering if it could be related to addons, this especially happens around CYTZ airport

[@chomanthapa]

How to get to the developer windows on 4:21 ?

[@mbucchia]

And this is only for WMR devices! If you have other brands, you'll need to use the tools for that brand (eg Oculus Tray Tool).

[@DS-ze7yc]

Get ready for a new one with FFR/VRS feb 28th or sometime thereafter.

[@mbucchia]

Hey, glad to see the excitement. However Feb 28th is the date SU8 is scheduled to come out. We don't want to make a release of OpenXR Toolkit on the same day as SU8 to avoid issues... so we're going to push it by a few days. Thanks for your patience!

[@DS-ze7yc]

I must have confused the two. My apologies

[@citizenblue]

The old companion tool made my screen look like it contained a blue light filter, yellowing my screen. Is this something anyone else noticed?

[@whitav8]

Me too - especially with Reverb - not quite so much with Quest2

[@citizenblue]

@@whitav8 I'm on a reverb g2 and 2080s

[@kevinbrook7033]

Why are you waiting to premiere this, I need answers now!!!

[@4secsharkmr352]

Lol, ask in our Discord Kevin 🤣 David can give you some too.

[@dtrjones]

Interesting but most folks by now know there's an even bigger update on the horizon. SIM Update 10 could include DX12 and if it does, then it will come with DLSS. Asobo has confirmed this is working and giving great results far better than they imagined especially at higher resolutions. Those who have bought AMD cards, I told you so, it's finally happened! However just so PIE gets his views 😉, the DX12 update is literally 6 months away at least, and it will probably be really buggy! 😀

[@Zeeflyboy]

The DX12 implementation was added at the end of last year… it’s an early implementation and work continues on it, but it’s already an option you can choose in MSFS. Re DLSS it’s great that they have finally seen the potential, but from other games like ACC it’s not a magic bullet in VR and can actually benefit from FSR or NIS on top through the Vr API as well… I’m personally running the openVR performance toolkit with FSR combined with DLSS selected in game which is giving me the best results, so don’t write it off even after DLSS releases.

[@kevinbrook7033]

@@Zeeflyboy he's referring to the developer Q & A a couple days ago where Jorg and Sebastian confirmed they have DLSS working and its surpassed their expectations. They are planning to release it as part of Sim update 10. What they didn't answer though was if DLSS will work in VR. My guess will be not at first, but hopefully we'll have fully working DirectX12 with DLSS in VR by this time next year.

[@Zeeflyboy]

@@kevinbrook7033 yeah I know, I watched it yesterday - however he was saying DX12 is coming in sim update 10 and I was pointing out DX12 is already here in MSFS… I don’t see any reason why they wouldn’t release DLSS for VR at the same time - DLSS has natively supported VR since 2.1 released and they would have to go out of their way to not support it. My further point was that ACC is a similar game (cockpit based, existing temporal upsampling and anti-aliasing, and a modern engine using deferred rendering) which very recently added DLSS - while it is better to have than not have, it is not as effective in VR as on flat screen and still benefits from adding FSR/NIS on top, not to mention the potential performance gains for fixed foveated rendering. So Asbobo saying they will be adding DLSS does not render this toolkit redundant as inferred above. This toolkit also plans to add significantly more features such as world scale adjustment, hand tracking support etc. I’m definitely looking forward to having DLSS support, but it will go hand in hand with this toolkit and not replace it.

[@kevinbrook7033]

@@Zeeflyboy Got you. I haven't tried NIS in VR yet, I tried it in flat screen a couple months ago and it was really shimmery but that was through Nvidia control panel, I haven't tried the scaling tool yet. If this new toolkit looks good though I'll definitely give it a go this week. I'd love to get rid of some of the shimmering in VR.

[@Zeeflyboy]

@@kevinbrook7033 FSR is actually a bit better for that than NIS imo... though it likely varies from engine to engine. Also sometimes the shimmering can be from over sharpening - unfortunately MSFS doesn't expose sharpening strength in the UI and the only way to adjust it is to modify the user config file. If you do that however, set the game sharpening to zero and then adjust NIS/FSR sharpening strength to taste then it can go a long way towards reducing shimmer effect.