Delivery Day: Haas VM-3 VMC | Would I Buy it Again? | Pierson Workholding

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@powermoveengineering
@powermoveengineering 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Jay! For the T-slot covers, check out the silicone ones made by Octane Workholding. They work great on our VF2
@machinist5506
@machinist5506 2 жыл бұрын
+1 on the Octane covers
@jamescerven4400
@jamescerven4400 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@MakeItWithCalvin
@MakeItWithCalvin 2 жыл бұрын
I always loved the X/Y T-slot of the VM machines for the flexible work holding, but I see that working better in a job-shop setting where you do a lot of funky setups vs a production setting where realistically once you set the job up, it stays that way indefinitely.
@Wunderbolts
@Wunderbolts 2 жыл бұрын
Currently have 3 mazak VCN-570c mills sitting on the floor. Electrician can’t hook them up because they need 150 amp breakers that are backordered and he assumed we needed 100a and got those ahead. 😭
@MrStanwyck
@MrStanwyck 2 жыл бұрын
Great video and congrats on your newest machine. I like the Kaizen hand tool holders. That’s a great idea to keep your tools neatly organized.
@wyattjames540
@wyattjames540 2 жыл бұрын
Such a clean video! Love the breakdown of the process.
@paolovicentini1982
@paolovicentini1982 2 жыл бұрын
For the table configuration problem, you can take a upper table with standard T slot configuration on the original table, like a pallet. Haas has a different size in catalog. Othervise you can see to catalog from different production company to pallet machines.
@The.Talent
@The.Talent 2 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing that AvE put a crimped piece of copper pipe into his tool holder and using the through-spindle air, he essentially turned that into an air-knife and used that to blow off the work pieces after each setup. Perhaps a lot cheaper than an air knife, but maybe also not quite as efficient.
@The.Talent
@The.Talent 2 жыл бұрын
Found the link. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYerZKarjrKHnaM
@michaelalcocer6778
@michaelalcocer6778 2 жыл бұрын
Watching AVE use his VM3 makes me cringe
@The.Talent
@The.Talent 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelalcocer6778 true!
@PiersonWorkholding
@PiersonWorkholding 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, that or a chip fan. BUT, those solutions take up a tool position in the carousel and are much slower than an air knife.
@The.Talent
@The.Talent 2 жыл бұрын
@@PiersonWorkholding very fair points! Might be a good enough solution for a small production machine though.
@anzezaberl7935
@anzezaberl7935 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thank you for great content. I noticed that the Kaizen foam bins are 3d printed. Maybe make a lip on the one with the micrometer a bit higher so in case the micrometer is poorly placed into the foam it does not just slide down and falls on the ground 😁
@kleini3
@kleini3 2 жыл бұрын
Moved 16t dmg 5x on skates last weak so yes they a good 😂 really appreciate your Typ of video style, like the call commmentory. It’s a nice change to the typical BOOOM every 3 seconds
@TheGrowOp
@TheGrowOp 2 жыл бұрын
Thats so neat I didnt know they made a 5 axis rotary for the Haas! We have a few 4th axis rotary tables where I run production machines and adding a 5th axis (and finding a good programmer to go with it XD) would be fantastic for what we do!
@PiersonWorkholding
@PiersonWorkholding 2 жыл бұрын
I'm convinced there's no easier way to get into 5 axis work than by adding a TRT. Don't forget to get a RotoVise Pro too! :)
@FFAF86
@FFAF86 2 жыл бұрын
one of my biggest gripes with haas is they mill there tables, like who the hell mills there tables? thats what a surface grinder is for
@hinz1
@hinz1 2 жыл бұрын
Or big old planer, like it was done on good old machinery.
@FFAF86
@FFAF86 2 жыл бұрын
@@hinz1 we got a new vf-5 in our shop and the tabld didnt even get milled in one shot, it has two seperate mill paths at the end of the table and they are a .002 difference then the rest of the table, how can you send a machine out like that
@espinja1
@espinja1 2 жыл бұрын
Wonder why you didn't with Doosan. We have DNM4500 at work (aerospace) and they are beast with hard materials.
@mischiefmachinellc
@mischiefmachinellc 2 жыл бұрын
You should do a financial video series. I find that to be the more overwhelming part of creating and growing a business
@morsesystems
@morsesystems 2 жыл бұрын
I had two of these delivered last year. Love them.
@PiersonWorkholding
@PiersonWorkholding 2 жыл бұрын
That's great to know and makes me more confident about trying out the VM.
@jamescerven4400
@jamescerven4400 2 жыл бұрын
Cool vid! You should seriously consider getting some Octane Workholding Chip Guards
@tommyclowers344
@tommyclowers344 2 жыл бұрын
Our shop bought some a few months ago and there nice on the machines that we I stalled them on, need to order more.
@PiersonWorkholding
@PiersonWorkholding 2 жыл бұрын
That problem's already solved.
@tylergilbertson4086
@tylergilbertson4086 2 жыл бұрын
Have you ever used a chip fan instead of the air knife edge? Curious on the advantages of each.
@MakeItWithCalvin
@MakeItWithCalvin 2 жыл бұрын
I could see the main disadvantage of the chip fan is you need an extra tool change, and it is one less pocket in the carousel to hold a tool.
@tylergilbertson4086
@tylergilbertson4086 2 жыл бұрын
@@MakeItWithCalvin I never thought of it like that. I went with the fan since my compressor isn't very big and probably wouldn't keep up.
@MakeItWithCalvin
@MakeItWithCalvin 2 жыл бұрын
@@tylergilbertson4086 in your case the fan makes more sense. In the end, it is about using what you got.
@PiersonWorkholding
@PiersonWorkholding 2 жыл бұрын
We used to use chip fans but they blow air on a smaller area and therefore are slower. As others mentioned, they take up a valuable tool position. They also have moving parts which are literally dangerous projectiles when they fail. Air knives have no moving parts, are very consistent and require no maintenance.
@K-Fred
@K-Fred 2 жыл бұрын
Such a good, clean and honest review.
@PiersonWorkholding
@PiersonWorkholding 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you 😊
@Rob_65
@Rob_65 2 жыл бұрын
The air knife looks great. Misused brain power is a very good argument to automate the cleaning phase. I have one of those fans, it's a nice tool but it does create mist and a lot of noise. The nice thing is that I now know a job is almost finished as soon as I hear the fan blowing 🙂
@PiersonWorkholding
@PiersonWorkholding 2 жыл бұрын
I forgot to mention that air knives don't take up a tool position or have any moving parts to fly at the glass at mach 2.3 if they break.
@MikeYurbasovich
@MikeYurbasovich Жыл бұрын
Why would you want to run your spindle at 8k rpm's unnecessarily? I can't stand those fans, but I pull spindles and don't like it when engineers run trochoidal cycles on box way machines, either.
@Stasiek_Zabojca
@Stasiek_Zabojca 2 жыл бұрын
About that air knife... Wouldn't it be better to mount it at an angle, rather than blowing straight down?
@brianmckenzie1739
@brianmckenzie1739 2 жыл бұрын
The marking on toolholders at 5:20 - is that normal wear or fretting?
@Dellpodder
@Dellpodder 2 жыл бұрын
Is this the cheerleader building from the last video?
@PiersonWorkholding
@PiersonWorkholding 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@Dellpodder
@Dellpodder 2 жыл бұрын
@@PiersonWorkholding You guys move fast! Congrats on the new digs.
@lilchirp4846
@lilchirp4846 2 жыл бұрын
What kinda finish do you have on the shop floor? How do you like it? Would you do it again in your next shop?
@PiersonWorkholding
@PiersonWorkholding 2 жыл бұрын
Epoxy coating. Love it. Would do it again even if it cost double.
@johnwick7175
@johnwick7175 Жыл бұрын
I was wondering if you had any thoughts on TRT-160 vs TR-160? I'm wondering if the TR-160 will make better parts as it's supported in both ends, but it takes up more room though.
@PiersonWorkholding
@PiersonWorkholding Жыл бұрын
I don't know enough about the TRs but the fact that the TRT platter is close to the A axis bearing makes it very rigid.
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe you need a Saunders pallet on that machine to fix that table issue. 😎
@PiersonWorkholding
@PiersonWorkholding 2 жыл бұрын
That's a great idea!
@marvinpitts8799
@marvinpitts8799 2 жыл бұрын
you can use saran wrap to keep the chips out of the T-Slots
@zodiaceng
@zodiaceng 2 жыл бұрын
Octane Workholding makes nice T-Slot covers that are easily cut to fit with a utility knife. Can remove them and reinstall them infinitely.
@tommyclowers344
@tommyclowers344 2 жыл бұрын
Saran wrap would last a few seconds, we use the Octane covers too.
@PiersonWorkholding
@PiersonWorkholding 2 жыл бұрын
Try saran wrap and let us know how it works.
@santboiboi375
@santboiboi375 2 жыл бұрын
Nos gustaría saber , tipo de cono 40/50 HP, recorridos en x y z , número almacén herramientas ,control CNC , lenguaje de programación etc. Gracias!
@LubomirPotocki
@LubomirPotocki 2 жыл бұрын
Jay, appreciate your content and taking inspiration from you. 👍👍 Could you please tell us what is the key difference between Haas VF and VM series? Of course from your point of view. Yet another thing on airknife. I can see you blow the air straight down. This causes coolant and chips residues to stay on your part because they bounce back and forth with the surface of the fixture. You may tilt it a bit sideways to help those particle choose the direction of escape. Will it get rid of 100% waste - no, but it will massively reduce the remnants on your parts and fixture. Cheers!
@PiersonWorkholding
@PiersonWorkholding 2 жыл бұрын
I'll do a followup video on VF vs VM in 2023. No, the air knife does not cause things to bounce back and forth. The high volume of air causes chips and coolant to flow with the scattering of the air. We tried angling the air knife and it worked worse. Straight down is best.
@D.Padonikus
@D.Padonikus Жыл бұрын
Can someone tell me the song name that plays along with the video
@TrPrecisionMachining
@TrPrecisionMachining 2 жыл бұрын
good video mr pierson..thanks for your time
@brianwaayenberg3099
@brianwaayenberg3099 Жыл бұрын
Umc 500 surface finish Vs your vf4 /trt210 rotory surface finish? Better on a vf for 5th?
@PiersonWorkholding
@PiersonWorkholding Жыл бұрын
Surface finishes on the TRT210 are better than the UMC.
@jordansteele7589
@jordansteele7589 2 жыл бұрын
So did the HFO transfer the 4th/5th axis drives and tcpc/dwo option from the new purchase to the old?
@PiersonWorkholding
@PiersonWorkholding 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, they transferred the drives, but I didn't buy the dwo option.
@robertspicer5258
@robertspicer5258 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for continuing to support Haas
@gredangeo
@gredangeo 2 жыл бұрын
Has anyone really like that cross T-Slot design? Heard nothing but inconveniences with it. You can't put bolts down precisely at a specific X spot anymore, depending on the job. You're locked into those slot spacings.
@bsf225
@bsf225 Жыл бұрын
I'm a HAAS owner, and must say I wouldn't have bought that VF3 the first time. HAAS quality has really slipped (cheapened up the machines), downtime gone up, and dealer service is severely lacking.....
@chrisstavro4698
@chrisstavro4698 4 ай бұрын
I either hear that Haas are a good machines for the price or they're junk. Is it just quality control? Have you needed service and how was it?
@PiersonWorkholding
@PiersonWorkholding 4 ай бұрын
3 of the 12 Haas machines I've owned needed service within the first 90 days ranging from a spindle adjustment to caulking the enclosure. After that, only 1 machine has needed service since.
@chrisstavro4698
@chrisstavro4698 4 ай бұрын
@@PiersonWorkholding Thank you for the reply.
@StripLV
@StripLV 2 жыл бұрын
Why are you not buying a Hermle? Or a DMG? are they so more expensive?
@markmall7142
@markmall7142 2 жыл бұрын
Haas is economical/cheap compared to eirther of those two machines.
@davidfarmer
@davidfarmer 2 жыл бұрын
@12:40 this is exactly how i run my machines.
@platin2148
@platin2148 2 жыл бұрын
It’s a bit weird isn’t the US in a recession? Feels not really like go strong 💪
@robertspicer5258
@robertspicer5258 Жыл бұрын
“If your gonna do it! Do it on a HAAS!”
@toolmakerdave5287
@toolmakerdave5287 2 жыл бұрын
have had a VM for a couple years now. we're a job shop doing a lot of die work in tool steels with 3 axis surfacing creates a lot of fine chips. table is a pain to clean. it's been a love hate relationship. my solution has been, i don't clean out the t slots until i absolutely have to. just keep it brushed off level with the table. don't want to let it go to long though or the crap really gets packed in. so usually clean the slot out like once a week. yeah, i know, lazy😎 great machine though. would pick it over a VF every time. unless i was doing long production runs. agree on the recession comment. we bought a UMC 500 this year. been pretty busy cheers
@ChrisSmithCenterline
@ChrisSmithCenterline 2 жыл бұрын
May want to get or print key way covers. We have several different sizes all the way to an inch. Saves a bunch of time at the end of the day.
@ChrisSmithCenterline
@ChrisSmithCenterline 2 жыл бұрын
May want to get or print key way covers. We have several different sizes all the way to an inch. Saves a bunch of time at the end of the day.
@PiersonWorkholding
@PiersonWorkholding 2 жыл бұрын
Lol, I love it! "Overprocessing" is one of the 8 wastes we avoid so no shame in that. Plus, packed chips are the new table surface.
@hinz1
@hinz1 2 жыл бұрын
What, glass scales or what? Back in the 1980's on German/Swiss machines, it was normal to have them, Fansuck controls and Haas are just to cheap to have them.
@zodiaceng
@zodiaceng 2 жыл бұрын
Scales are an option on Haas.
@colonialroofingofnorthcaro441
@colonialroofingofnorthcaro441 2 жыл бұрын
The recession is not for the rich the recession is on the poor believe me I know I'm one of those four you turn it over a million dollars or several million dollars even if you turn over $100,000 a year the recession is not really touching you that bad when you're making $20,000 a year 17,000 a year 25,000 a year recession is kicking your butt so things on what brackets you're in for you to be able to call a recession
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