Great video Jay! For the T-slot covers, check out the silicone ones made by Octane Workholding. They work great on our VF2
@machinist55062 жыл бұрын
+1 on the Octane covers
@jamescerven44002 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@MakeItWithCalvin2 жыл бұрын
I always loved the X/Y T-slot of the VM machines for the flexible work holding, but I see that working better in a job-shop setting where you do a lot of funky setups vs a production setting where realistically once you set the job up, it stays that way indefinitely.
@Wunderbolts2 жыл бұрын
Currently have 3 mazak VCN-570c mills sitting on the floor. Electrician can’t hook them up because they need 150 amp breakers that are backordered and he assumed we needed 100a and got those ahead. 😭
@MrStanwyck2 жыл бұрын
Great video and congrats on your newest machine. I like the Kaizen hand tool holders. That’s a great idea to keep your tools neatly organized.
@wyattjames5402 жыл бұрын
Such a clean video! Love the breakdown of the process.
@paolovicentini19822 жыл бұрын
For the table configuration problem, you can take a upper table with standard T slot configuration on the original table, like a pallet. Haas has a different size in catalog. Othervise you can see to catalog from different production company to pallet machines.
@The.Talent2 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing that AvE put a crimped piece of copper pipe into his tool holder and using the through-spindle air, he essentially turned that into an air-knife and used that to blow off the work pieces after each setup. Perhaps a lot cheaper than an air knife, but maybe also not quite as efficient.
@The.Talent2 жыл бұрын
Found the link. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYerZKarjrKHnaM
@michaelalcocer67782 жыл бұрын
Watching AVE use his VM3 makes me cringe
@The.Talent2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelalcocer6778 true!
@PiersonWorkholding2 жыл бұрын
Yes, that or a chip fan. BUT, those solutions take up a tool position in the carousel and are much slower than an air knife.
@The.Talent2 жыл бұрын
@@PiersonWorkholding very fair points! Might be a good enough solution for a small production machine though.
@anzezaberl79352 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thank you for great content. I noticed that the Kaizen foam bins are 3d printed. Maybe make a lip on the one with the micrometer a bit higher so in case the micrometer is poorly placed into the foam it does not just slide down and falls on the ground 😁
@kleini32 жыл бұрын
Moved 16t dmg 5x on skates last weak so yes they a good 😂 really appreciate your Typ of video style, like the call commmentory. It’s a nice change to the typical BOOOM every 3 seconds
@TheGrowOp2 жыл бұрын
Thats so neat I didnt know they made a 5 axis rotary for the Haas! We have a few 4th axis rotary tables where I run production machines and adding a 5th axis (and finding a good programmer to go with it XD) would be fantastic for what we do!
@PiersonWorkholding2 жыл бұрын
I'm convinced there's no easier way to get into 5 axis work than by adding a TRT. Don't forget to get a RotoVise Pro too! :)
@FFAF862 жыл бұрын
one of my biggest gripes with haas is they mill there tables, like who the hell mills there tables? thats what a surface grinder is for
@hinz12 жыл бұрын
Or big old planer, like it was done on good old machinery.
@FFAF862 жыл бұрын
@@hinz1 we got a new vf-5 in our shop and the tabld didnt even get milled in one shot, it has two seperate mill paths at the end of the table and they are a .002 difference then the rest of the table, how can you send a machine out like that
@espinja12 жыл бұрын
Wonder why you didn't with Doosan. We have DNM4500 at work (aerospace) and they are beast with hard materials.
@mischiefmachinellc2 жыл бұрын
You should do a financial video series. I find that to be the more overwhelming part of creating and growing a business
@morsesystems2 жыл бұрын
I had two of these delivered last year. Love them.
@PiersonWorkholding2 жыл бұрын
That's great to know and makes me more confident about trying out the VM.
@jamescerven44002 жыл бұрын
Cool vid! You should seriously consider getting some Octane Workholding Chip Guards
@tommyclowers3442 жыл бұрын
Our shop bought some a few months ago and there nice on the machines that we I stalled them on, need to order more.
@PiersonWorkholding2 жыл бұрын
That problem's already solved.
@tylergilbertson40862 жыл бұрын
Have you ever used a chip fan instead of the air knife edge? Curious on the advantages of each.
@MakeItWithCalvin2 жыл бұрын
I could see the main disadvantage of the chip fan is you need an extra tool change, and it is one less pocket in the carousel to hold a tool.
@tylergilbertson40862 жыл бұрын
@@MakeItWithCalvin I never thought of it like that. I went with the fan since my compressor isn't very big and probably wouldn't keep up.
@MakeItWithCalvin2 жыл бұрын
@@tylergilbertson4086 in your case the fan makes more sense. In the end, it is about using what you got.
@PiersonWorkholding2 жыл бұрын
We used to use chip fans but they blow air on a smaller area and therefore are slower. As others mentioned, they take up a valuable tool position. They also have moving parts which are literally dangerous projectiles when they fail. Air knives have no moving parts, are very consistent and require no maintenance.
@K-Fred2 жыл бұрын
Such a good, clean and honest review.
@PiersonWorkholding2 жыл бұрын
Thank you 😊
@Rob_652 жыл бұрын
The air knife looks great. Misused brain power is a very good argument to automate the cleaning phase. I have one of those fans, it's a nice tool but it does create mist and a lot of noise. The nice thing is that I now know a job is almost finished as soon as I hear the fan blowing 🙂
@PiersonWorkholding2 жыл бұрын
I forgot to mention that air knives don't take up a tool position or have any moving parts to fly at the glass at mach 2.3 if they break.
@MikeYurbasovich Жыл бұрын
Why would you want to run your spindle at 8k rpm's unnecessarily? I can't stand those fans, but I pull spindles and don't like it when engineers run trochoidal cycles on box way machines, either.
@Stasiek_Zabojca2 жыл бұрын
About that air knife... Wouldn't it be better to mount it at an angle, rather than blowing straight down?
@brianmckenzie17392 жыл бұрын
The marking on toolholders at 5:20 - is that normal wear or fretting?
@Dellpodder2 жыл бұрын
Is this the cheerleader building from the last video?
@PiersonWorkholding2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@Dellpodder2 жыл бұрын
@@PiersonWorkholding You guys move fast! Congrats on the new digs.
@lilchirp48462 жыл бұрын
What kinda finish do you have on the shop floor? How do you like it? Would you do it again in your next shop?
@PiersonWorkholding2 жыл бұрын
Epoxy coating. Love it. Would do it again even if it cost double.
@johnwick7175 Жыл бұрын
I was wondering if you had any thoughts on TRT-160 vs TR-160? I'm wondering if the TR-160 will make better parts as it's supported in both ends, but it takes up more room though.
@PiersonWorkholding Жыл бұрын
I don't know enough about the TRs but the fact that the TRT platter is close to the A axis bearing makes it very rigid.
@bcbloc022 жыл бұрын
Maybe you need a Saunders pallet on that machine to fix that table issue. 😎
@PiersonWorkholding2 жыл бұрын
That's a great idea!
@marvinpitts87992 жыл бұрын
you can use saran wrap to keep the chips out of the T-Slots
@zodiaceng2 жыл бұрын
Octane Workholding makes nice T-Slot covers that are easily cut to fit with a utility knife. Can remove them and reinstall them infinitely.
@tommyclowers3442 жыл бұрын
Saran wrap would last a few seconds, we use the Octane covers too.
@PiersonWorkholding2 жыл бұрын
Try saran wrap and let us know how it works.
@santboiboi3752 жыл бұрын
Nos gustaría saber , tipo de cono 40/50 HP, recorridos en x y z , número almacén herramientas ,control CNC , lenguaje de programación etc. Gracias!
@LubomirPotocki2 жыл бұрын
Jay, appreciate your content and taking inspiration from you. 👍👍 Could you please tell us what is the key difference between Haas VF and VM series? Of course from your point of view. Yet another thing on airknife. I can see you blow the air straight down. This causes coolant and chips residues to stay on your part because they bounce back and forth with the surface of the fixture. You may tilt it a bit sideways to help those particle choose the direction of escape. Will it get rid of 100% waste - no, but it will massively reduce the remnants on your parts and fixture. Cheers!
@PiersonWorkholding2 жыл бұрын
I'll do a followup video on VF vs VM in 2023. No, the air knife does not cause things to bounce back and forth. The high volume of air causes chips and coolant to flow with the scattering of the air. We tried angling the air knife and it worked worse. Straight down is best.
@D.Padonikus Жыл бұрын
Can someone tell me the song name that plays along with the video
@TrPrecisionMachining2 жыл бұрын
good video mr pierson..thanks for your time
@brianwaayenberg3099 Жыл бұрын
Umc 500 surface finish Vs your vf4 /trt210 rotory surface finish? Better on a vf for 5th?
@PiersonWorkholding Жыл бұрын
Surface finishes on the TRT210 are better than the UMC.
@jordansteele75892 жыл бұрын
So did the HFO transfer the 4th/5th axis drives and tcpc/dwo option from the new purchase to the old?
@PiersonWorkholding2 жыл бұрын
Yes, they transferred the drives, but I didn't buy the dwo option.
@robertspicer5258 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for continuing to support Haas
@gredangeo2 жыл бұрын
Has anyone really like that cross T-Slot design? Heard nothing but inconveniences with it. You can't put bolts down precisely at a specific X spot anymore, depending on the job. You're locked into those slot spacings.
@bsf225 Жыл бұрын
I'm a HAAS owner, and must say I wouldn't have bought that VF3 the first time. HAAS quality has really slipped (cheapened up the machines), downtime gone up, and dealer service is severely lacking.....
@chrisstavro46984 ай бұрын
I either hear that Haas are a good machines for the price or they're junk. Is it just quality control? Have you needed service and how was it?
@PiersonWorkholding4 ай бұрын
3 of the 12 Haas machines I've owned needed service within the first 90 days ranging from a spindle adjustment to caulking the enclosure. After that, only 1 machine has needed service since.
@chrisstavro46984 ай бұрын
@@PiersonWorkholding Thank you for the reply.
@StripLV2 жыл бұрын
Why are you not buying a Hermle? Or a DMG? are they so more expensive?
@markmall71422 жыл бұрын
Haas is economical/cheap compared to eirther of those two machines.
@davidfarmer2 жыл бұрын
@12:40 this is exactly how i run my machines.
@platin21482 жыл бұрын
It’s a bit weird isn’t the US in a recession? Feels not really like go strong 💪
@robertspicer5258 Жыл бұрын
“If your gonna do it! Do it on a HAAS!”
@toolmakerdave52872 жыл бұрын
have had a VM for a couple years now. we're a job shop doing a lot of die work in tool steels with 3 axis surfacing creates a lot of fine chips. table is a pain to clean. it's been a love hate relationship. my solution has been, i don't clean out the t slots until i absolutely have to. just keep it brushed off level with the table. don't want to let it go to long though or the crap really gets packed in. so usually clean the slot out like once a week. yeah, i know, lazy😎 great machine though. would pick it over a VF every time. unless i was doing long production runs. agree on the recession comment. we bought a UMC 500 this year. been pretty busy cheers
@ChrisSmithCenterline2 жыл бұрын
May want to get or print key way covers. We have several different sizes all the way to an inch. Saves a bunch of time at the end of the day.
@ChrisSmithCenterline2 жыл бұрын
May want to get or print key way covers. We have several different sizes all the way to an inch. Saves a bunch of time at the end of the day.
@PiersonWorkholding2 жыл бұрын
Lol, I love it! "Overprocessing" is one of the 8 wastes we avoid so no shame in that. Plus, packed chips are the new table surface.
@hinz12 жыл бұрын
What, glass scales or what? Back in the 1980's on German/Swiss machines, it was normal to have them, Fansuck controls and Haas are just to cheap to have them.
@zodiaceng2 жыл бұрын
Scales are an option on Haas.
@colonialroofingofnorthcaro4412 жыл бұрын
The recession is not for the rich the recession is on the poor believe me I know I'm one of those four you turn it over a million dollars or several million dollars even if you turn over $100,000 a year the recession is not really touching you that bad when you're making $20,000 a year 17,000 a year 25,000 a year recession is kicking your butt so things on what brackets you're in for you to be able to call a recession