Serral and Clem play the best ZvT I've EVER seen | ESL Winter (Bo5 ZvT) - StarCraft 2

Subscribe to PiG Casts! 🐷 Clem (Terran) faced off against Serral (Zerg) in the $75,000 ESL Winter Semi Finals at DreamHack Atlanta in this Best of 5 TvZ Pro StarCraft 2 Series
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[@nathanielsmith9400]

Absolutely the highest level Terran play I've ever seen. We all know Serral plays near god tier Zerg and trounces everyone but what happens when someone like Clem just up his game a bit and step up to the challenge. This is just masterclass.

[@AXEJAYB]

1:00:30 this engagement was masterclass. 30+ min into a game and just slowing poking with 4-5 units to force the Zerg into your spread army. Genius play

[@the13thfox46]

This was the best TvZ I have ever seen.... Great cast PiG

[@fistlength2827]

I was at dreamhack, you can't hear it in this cast, but the crowd was going wild game 3. Best crowd, GOTY

[@the13thfox46]

I watched this last night, TvZ does not get any better than this.... Amazing gameplay

[@DamagesOverTime]

It really needs to be emphasized how much Clem has evolved as a player. He's always had an incredible offense, but he's showing Maru-level defensive end-game knowledge. Clem has really become a well-rounded player, pulling back and punishing with layered defenses and snipes over and over, draining thousands of resources in positive trades each time. Clem is starting to look unstoppable.

[@rickettier951]

"Clems getting a stiffy and jamming it in any opening he can find" Bruh, some top tier commentating

[@joshuapreston903]

What a series. This was an instant classic (Attack in Atlanta? Assault in Atlanta? Idk Pig you're the SC2 genius, come up with an instant classic title for this series) between two titans - and I feel like you really couldn't say that the series was lost because of one player making mistakes, etc. No, these guys were absolutely playing at the top of their games. You know since this series, Serral has been studying film nonstop of Clem, and will come back later on in the ESL season with a massive chip on his shoulder.

[@flipsydedesigns5975]

Clem. My new favourite Terran and it’s not even close. That was StarCraft at its finest, and you played a large part in that, PiG.

[@zsairax]

like my granma-once removed on the center diagonal side- used to say, "slather me in honey, and bury me beside an anthill; we are in a pickle."

[@displacedicon7643]

I think the most interesting thing about this tournament was Serral and Clem being seeded into the same side of the bracket.

[@MeMyself-gf7fn]

My heart broke when he called the 90s old timey

[@ExpertYouTubeCommentator]

the composure of Clem being under duress for so long is amazing especially in front of a live audience....saw it live stream yesterday and my gosh was that a thriller!!! This was the finals, no offense to Dark, but that was for formality... Btw, widow mines might be nerfed next, per the chatroom in youtube during the live stream.....still a great weekend of SC2!

[@idde4345]

I've been watching SC2 for about eleven years now. This is just about the best series I've ever seen. Nail biting from start to finish, insanely high skill throughout all games, some absolutely miraculous holds and a very welcome and deserved outcome. Pretty much the best SC2 has to offer.

[@tigera6]

You must have missed the Grand Final of Maru vs Serral from 2 years ago, it was a Bo7 with very similar gameplay like this one.

[@idde4345]

@@tigera6 was that a Katowice Grand Finals? I think I've seen most of the Serral vs Maru games, but I'm not generally a huge fan of those. A bit of a weird preference, but Maru is a bit *too* perfect for me to root for him. Clem getting this far in the tournament, having lost two finals to Serral shortly before, and now withstanding the onslaught that broke so many players before, for so long, while forcing Serral to make mistakes...that just makes it extra special. Who doesn't love an underdog story? Oliveira's run last Katowice was also amazing. Hero beating Maru a couple GSL's ago with amazingly bonkers play was a joy to watch as well. Or Cure finally winning a GSL. Basically: great gameplay, plus a great storyline = great series.

[@tigera6]

@@idde4345 It was a major online tournament called KoB2, Maru went through a run through top Zerg similar to Clem this time around, beating Reynor Dark and Serral to win it. And I agree Clem has clearly grown in recent months and his game is now much more well-rounded than before, hes playing for the long macro game rather than just trying to kill his opponent off and get countered.

[@idde4345]

@@tigera6 I watched all of KoB, so I'm sure I watched (and enjoyed it). But I think that one of the things I appreciate a bit more about this series is that Clem seems to combine a turtly style with breaking out every once in a while to kill bases. Maru has a tendency to just completely turtle up, absorb all attacks, and slowly but surely expand. And hey, I'm not gonna argue with his results, and how he does it is freaking masterful, but I think it does make for a bit less dynamic games. At one point in game three here Serral had 9k (!!!!) in minerals, and the game went on for like 35 minutes, but it was never just a Terran sitting there, waiting for the opponents resources to run out. I really like the combination of Clem turtling, and aggressively striking out when Serral is quickly remaxing.

[@tigera6]

@@idde4345 To be honest, Clem was on full turtle in game 3 after 15 minutes or so, he never push his army into Serral side unless Serral committed and lost all of his army then Clem will counter. Otherwise, its just minor harassment like a couple Libs or Mine Drop here and there. That was a full turtling game from Clem, but I understand thats not the only thing he has played, there were game 1 and 2 where he was pushing non-stop. So its true, that Clem is capable of playing both style at this point which is great for him.

[@DaeoSZ]

Game 3 was the game of the year without any question

[@JH-bb8in]

insane comeback for sure

[@calebrobinson6406]

I was at Dreamhack and game 3 was insane! Serral like a shark circling and giving Clem so many opportunities to fumble or mess up. The vikings intercepting the drop overlords was so clutch!

[@ff_s_]

I watched these games live and, although all the casters did a good job, no one holds a candle to your analysis, banter, and hype.

[@aaronalquiza9680]

i'm so proud of Clem for evolving and improving his turtling/defense.

[@adriansekscinski2191]

20:39 yea evoling to big noob, i stoped watching this match at this point. clem sucks hard

[@aaronalquiza9680]

@@adriansekscinski2191 yeah just stop watching sc2 altogether.

[@Manwu5]

@@adriansekscinski2191 cry a river zerg abuser

[@vutho7986]

@@adriansekscinski2191 bye mr. nobody

[@masterkhais4479]

When it gets to high level play against these top Zergs you have to play this style to win.

[@reeiiiii2404]

I've watched this yesterday. Just really hope they get you cast these events.

[@zaiks0105]

Thank you Jared the caster ... you made my day

[@adriannugraha6308]

Damnn.. Clem is evolving and being a godlike. Serral is too stuborn to adapt in game, keep doing the same thing

[@clement.234]

Amazing game ! It's a wonderful series

[@sekkurinsekkason4014]

Damn its good to see terran players beating Serral :D

[@CanCobb]

The Al Michaels of gaming

[@soujirou86]

this was amazing, finally

[@pigcritic4201]

Great cast! Biased Terran question here: why is roach into lurker not called “turtle Zerg?” Whenever the Zerg opens roaches it kind of forces the Terran to sit back. By the time you have enough tanks, they have vipers which means you have to wait for ghosts. You never see Clem sitting back if the opponent opens ling bane. Clem had equal APM to Serral all series (since it’s Zerg that suggests Clem was playing significantly faster). It’s disappointing seeing all the zergs complaining about balance when Clem truly outplayed him all series with the usual insane combination of multitasking and micro/macro.

[@sojourner3300]

Anyone who thinks Zerg is not OP is ignorant. Zerg literally requires the LEAST micro skills and they have it easy relative to Terran players who have to micro their heart out to have any chance of winning vs Zerg. Other than Terrans, what other race has to regularly disperse NEARLY EVERY SINGLE UNIT in a group to survive a battle, on EVERY SINGLE engagement vs. Banes, with 1 single mistake being devastating to the game? Dodging widow mines, which are easily TELEGRAPHED with a visible pointer (no other race has units that will literally TELEGRAPH the attacks; same with liberator - how stupid is that), is a piece of cake compared to dodging banelings. Plus Zerg Spell casters are way OP - they have so many offensive spell options that affect entire groups of units, with 1 single click of a spell affecting entire group, while Terran has no spells that are even remotely useful except snipes, which you have to click each individual enemy unit (Again, more MICRO intensive), and even this has been nerfed. Even EMP is purely DEFENSIVE, not offensive, so Zerg spell caster can just run back and immediately replenish energy and return. Protoss has psy-storm, single click affecting entire groups of units, Zerg has parasitic bomb (affects multiple units), fungal (multiple untis), blinding cloud (multiple units), PLUS powerful individual unit spells like neural parasite. The Viper should never have been given parasitic bomb - it is already too OP. It is very ironic that even in SC2 Liquipedia, it describes Viper as not an attacking unit but position-altering unit - "The Viper does not attack. Instead, it uses its spells to disrupt the positioning of enemy units" - what a farce it is that parasitic bomb was given to them that will almost always kill medi-vacs. One last gripe - Why the hell are Lurkers given the option to hold fire, but the widow mines aren't given this option???? Playing as Terrans are is such a disadvantage in so many ways unlike other races, it's a miracle that many Terrans players have won as much tournaments as they have - By the way, if you look at ALL MAJOR TOURNAMENT WINNERS by race in the past 3-4 years, >50% are won by ZERGS - no one can deny this fact.

[@PiGCasts]

Well roach 1-1 timings and fast lurker timings do exist and are pretty strong, however you're right it's a very hard to ever break a player that plays this style so it is kindof the turtle zerg strategy

[@spitezor]

Zerg win looks like Zerg player playing normal game. Terran win looks like Terran player playing legendary game. Sounds about right.

[@jameslog3431]

agree with this take somewhat, I still think Serrel is definitely the greatest Zerg ever and has amazing skills, just does feel like Terrans have to "dodge more bullets" in big battles than Zerg players who remax in 10 seconds

[@marcelbenner993]

This was the Final... don't want to hate on Dark but Clem and Serral are simply in a league of their own at the moment. Their win rate these past months is simply ridiculous.

[@GenAndrei]

Ultras giving out free hugs lol

[@fleetz3937]

hi Pig ! big fan and also swede. Radhuset is a train station in stockholm. A "radhus" is a type of building people liv in, it translates into "rowhouse"

[@PiGCasts]

oh wow thanks mate, google said it means town hall which would be more like a council building. Get your shit together google :D

[@John__-ie3od]

Clem felt like Maru on the last game.

[@xelacremant7396]

I'm surprised by Serral here. Twice he plays the same game. I wonder what he thought he could do differently. It felt like the second time around the Ultras popped earlier, but his refusal to switch to another comp despite losing the same army over and over is... strange. That being said, amazing series

[@SPQR_14]

There is no Zerg counter to defensive mass ghosts.

[@xelacremant7396]

@@SPQR_14Oh I'm not going to sit here and pretend I know a fix that Serral doesn't know about. I was just surprised that he chose the same build twice in a row. I wonder what led him to make that decision.

[@app2530]

I also find ghosts tough to deal with, but they work especially well against the kind of units Serral built. I also would be interested to know his thought process. Like Pig said, maybe in his practice he just found other comps to have even worse odds, or thought tech switching would be too costly. Or maybe (again like Pig said) he may not have been practiced enough verses a turtle player, and he focused his training verses what he thought Clem was going to do with a more aggressive style. I would like to believe this is a case of Clem pulling out a surprising style of play that Serral didnt think he was capable of. Maybe the series was won in the practice room rather than by some extreme game imbalance.

[@tigera6]

To be fair, Dark also used the same comp in the Grand Final in lategame, so I am not sure if its a Zerg thing in the current patch/map pool or just Serral. But I do think Serral could be better off playing with either BLord or just HydraLingBane here. Because Ultra really suck balls against the well setup Terran defense. The funny thing is, Maru has been playing this style for over a year and a half ago, and people was criticizing him being boring and too passive, but now Clem playing the exact same style and hes being hailled as the greatest Terran ever, which is a bit of a double-standard. Nothing against Clem personally but winning 1 international tournament with relatively low prize pool doesnt make him the best Terran ever, but hes is surely the best right now.

[@tigera6]

@@app2530 Serral play Maru often enough to know how to play against turtling Terran style, I think he just lost his thinking among the fighting there. In game 3, Clem literally hold the last mining base with 3 tanks and some Marines/Mines, all Serral needed to do with making 3-4 BLord and keep shooting down the mining workers and he would probably win, but he made more LingBaneUltra which suck in that scenario.

[@187xxxchrisxxx187]

best match ever im impressed

[@teodoreh]

Game 2 was like idrA frustration game of the past. Serral had vast of opportunities to make broodlords and end the game right there. Instead, he kept building Infestors... :/

[@michp8781]

Is vikings/ghosts/libs the counter to hydra ling bane ultra viper? Once these overseers are dead, ghosts reign supreme!

[@bojackfishman4135]

Clem making terran look very OP

[@mahliz]

alcyone and oceanborn games was so darn good. With game 3 and 4 I am wondering where this ranks on Pigs list of series of the year? Ty for that amazing early Christmas preasent

[@PiGCasts]

incredibly top tier series. I always feel Clem vs Serral/Reynor is the most exciting SC2 that exists, with the added weight of this being Clem's huge big premier performance it very well might be series of the year

[@nathanbarnhart7823]

1:12:06 one might even call him a “master baiter”

[@user-xk8mq5ic9k]

6:28 Råd-huset (Court house) Råd means council and used to exist in English as well, as in Eathelread the Unready (the ill counselled). Other English variations are Middle English red, rede and Old English rǣd. So you can use any of those pronounciations for Råd. Huset is the same word in English, house. Just slightly different spelling. Actually, you pronounced really well actually. But now you know etymology too :)

[@user-tx2kc1zz3l]

Old slang, no sweat bruh, I m diggin' it. Swag!

[@mongolian242]

Game 3 was one of the best games of the year easily.

[@alexch3618]

where can i access this data? 30:04. i can crunch some numbers in pandas

[@kindenigma4119]

kinda wondering here, assuming no block is done, would 17 hatch be the most optimal start for zerg?

[@user-oh3ov7td2l]

It's as if Serral trained with David Goggins for this matchup...

[@sojourner3300]

It's a miracle that despite having such terribly useless spell casters, some Terrans can manage to get wins vs good Zergs with their OP spell casters.

[@SPQR_14]

The ghost is literally the best spellcaster in the game lmfao...

[@sojourner3300]

​@@SPQR_14 Mate, you must be out of your mind to think ghost is the BEST spellcaster. Its ONLY offensive spell is micro intensive and can only affect SINGLE ENEMY UNITs at a time and it VERY SITUATIONAL, and Terran has ZERO offensive spells that affect MULTIPLE enemy units that works in ALL SiTUATIONS - SNIPE only works on FEW enemy units at a time, it is useless when theres tide after tide of zerglings/banes, AND you literally have to click on each single enemy unit - it is NOT momentum changing spell, it merely stems the offensive tide unless ZERG is stupid enough to only make Ultras (perhaps that's you? No other way for me to explain why you think ghost is strongest unless you keep getting ass kicked by ghosts, but that is besides the point). The EMP is purely defensive with no DAMAGE repercussion - but if you miss EMP'ing enemy spell casters Terran gets screwed. ZERG spell casters on the other hand, has MULTIPLE offensive spells requiring ZERO micro skills, and they are effective in NEARLY ALL SITUATIONS, with SINGLE click affecting LARGE groups or AREA - PARASITIC bomb nearly kills Medi vacs and damages nearby units, works in nearly all bio units; FUNGAL is a totally momentum changing spell, entire group of units can be lost, works in ALL SITUATIONS, BIO or MECH - ABDUCT is extremely effective with its LONG reach, works in ALL SITUATIONS and stages of game (bio for medivacs, devastating for MECHs), BLIndING CLoud - single click affects large area, is absolutely devastating, works in ALL SITUATIONS. Look up description of Viper on SC2 Liquipedia - it says "The Viper does not attack. Instead, it uses its spells to disrupt the positioning of enemy units" - that should have been their role, but why in the world did they buff them by giving them parasitic bombs? They were already very powerful even before that. Meanwhile, Ravens were nerfed to the point that they've become nearly completely useless in pro tournaments in TvZ. I haven't seen any pro Terrans use Ravens anymore cuz they've become pretty much useless and are so easy to pick off due to their slow speed. Do I need to say more??? And yet you deny that Zerg spellcasters are OP -well I'd think everyone else will probably agree with what I've said - here's another proof - ZERG players have won >50% of ALL MAJOR TOURNAMENTS in the past 2-3 years. And yet Zerg is the LEAST micro-intensive race, while Terrans are the MOST micro-intensive - tanks/liberators require siege/unsiege and are SLOW as well, Thors are SLOW as hell, Widow mines you have to BURROW/UNBORROW and are nearly useless in pro games UNLESS you MICRO target and even then its attack is 100% TELEGRAPHED with white line towards target which allows good ZERG ability to dodge them (again, micro-intensive). Widow mines easy to dodge - just run 1-2 lings into the line and you are done - you don't have to micro individual zerglings within the entire group. The only semi-microintensive Zerg unit is Lurker - and why the hell are they given HOLD FIRE while widow mines weren't?? Hold-fire Lurkers at the right moment can completely DESTROY entire army of Terrans. When was the last time you saw Zerg player having to separate a group of their units into smaller clusters to avoid destruction of the entire group in TvZ (pretty much required in every single engagement Marines vs Banes otherwise you lose the entire group of marines)? At least Protoss has Psy-Storm for area damage, +Colossus is extremely effective vs Lings/Banes. But for Terran to have ZERO area offensive skill??? and yet you think ghost is the most powerful spell caster in the GAME???? Not to mention SNIPE was recently NERFED!!!! You are delusional.

[@AxelTT555]

yeah dude. infestor's fungal has 20 damage and you need to have 300 IQ to sneak it and actually hit anything. especially in Clem's army. parabomb damages and damages and damages but does not really kill anything. terribly OP spellcasters, I agree.

[@JaeEnnen]

lol yeah ok...all T has to do is get ghosts ...which literally can snipe every single zerg unit easily...even can put it on rapid fire so the terran won't have to push the keys so many times to kill all the zerg...Ultras immune nope the huge armored beast gets sniped and INSTANTLY evaporites...Brood lords..giant armored flying creatures?...nope instantly eliminated with 1-2 snipes.

[@sojourner3300]

@@AxelTT555 Who cares about FUNGAL's Damage when it basically renders an entire group helpless to run away from the Zerg wave that quickly surrounds and finishes the job? Your comment about parasitic bomb that it doesn't really 'kill' and MERELY damages is so stupid - the whole point of the spell is to damage and make the units squishier for rest of the Zerg horde to finish'em off - then why the hell would pro Zerg players use it ALL THE TIME if it wasn't extremely useful? Any race would benefit from a spell that damages entire group of units - and I haven't heard you comment on the blinding cloud yet either, nor Viper's ability to quickly replenish energy

[@Dulkh4n]

ghost is so broken in the hands of a pro

[@lg6707]

damn Clem did they ban science vessels? those fungal's were punishing in 3rd match nice pick ups to save the ghosts but the Viking's got hurt pretty hard

[@ExpertYouTubeCommentator]

btw, already watched it yesterday, but want to reawatch it with Pig casting😅

[@JH-bb8in]

Game 3 was goated game

[@youlexander]

Terran is sooooooooooo OOOPPPPP

[@bobbobby8250]

Wow! What an insane series. Clem is my hero!!! Zerg still OP though.... -remove spore trick (can't morph if damaged in last 1 or 2 seconds) -reduce vision of burrowed Zerg units -morphing ravengers shouldn't regain health -spore crawls/spines shouldn't be able to move (cannons/turrets can't) -vipers should have to Regen mana like all spell casters -infestors moving while burrowed should cause a more visible animation. -lurkers burrow/unburrow way to fast

[@jameslog3431]

I always thought the spore trick was so bs, like it should cost more mineral to cancel spores, or there is a delay after input of turning from drone to spore, also how many times hellions finally come into the mineral line and they just evo block. Infestors are way too invisible to see I agree! I would say spores crawls should be slow to move or they should take twice the amount of time to borrow Another one I would add is Hellbates are able to tank more baneling hits because they seem like a pointless unit

[@tatotato85]

Rewatching this sick series. Pig are allowed to show the players cameras? it would be nice if it were possible to see them while you replay cast

[@luissanchez3d]

that's probably owned by ESL, but yea would be cool!

[@PiGCasts]

I don't think ESL would be cool with me ripping parts of their production unfortunately so won't show cameras the whole game, but I might try to show a reaction to victory shot after some of these casts in future though

[@NerothLoD]

Hilarious to see all the Rock league armchair generals in the comments. Great series as always with these two, really impressed by Clem's improvements this year. Growing up to be a real contender.

[@Scawtsauce]

can someone explain how 22 lings is "about an equal trade" for 10 SCVs before 5 minutes? not to mention the helion damage and lost mining time? idk for some reason that doesn't seem right

[@Devillionaire]

Serral fights like a wuss. Yeah, I said it. That’s why he always early-quits games, sometimes prematurely, and backs down from some fights even when he has a 2-to-1 army supply advantage. All his Zerg housekeeping mechanics are dialed and on point, and his insane production efficiency gives him that world-class edge, but he has no killer instinct or willingness to scrap tooth and nail down to the last bloody claw. In contrast, last year’s world champ Oliveira/Time - although he’ll never be the caliber of player Serral is - demonstrated truckloads of the one quality Serral doesn’t have: Massive Heart. Man I love StarCraft lol.

[@normanwierdle6749]

❤

[@m.czandogg9576]

19:09 I think Serral lost the Hatchery. 21:36 Insane how Serral still had the APM to send units into Clem's mineral line.

[@sojourner3300]

Think Zerg players micro skill are amazing?? Not really, they have it easy relative to Terran players who have to micro their heart out to have any chance of winning vs Zerg. Other than Terrans, what other race has to regularly disperse NEARLY EVERY SINGLE UNIT in a group to survive a battle, on EVERY SINGLE engagement vs. Banes, with 1 single mistake being devastating to the game? Dodging widow mines, which are easily TELEGRAPHED with a visible pointer (which no other race has units that will literally show where the attack is going; same with liberator), is a piece of cake compared to dodging banelings. Plus Zerg Spell casters are way OP - they have so many offensive spell options that affect entire groups of units, with 1 single click of a spell affecting entire group, while Terran has no spells that are even remotely useful except snipes, which you have to click on each individual enemy unit each time, and even this has been nerfed. Even EMP is purely DEFENSIVE, not offensive, so Zerg spell caster can just run back and immediately replenish energy and return

[@m.czandogg9576]

@@sojourner3300 Is that a copypasta? Either way, I ain't reading all that. Also, take your meds, schizo.

[@app2530]

I would argue that banelings telegraph where they are going to explode as well. On the account that they literally move their entire bodies to the location they are going to damage lol

[@sojourner3300]

@@app2530 Are you an idiot? Never heard of burrowed banelings? Not to mention, it's incredibly hard to kill them all when they come in huge waves with zerglings with speed upgrade

[@Konranjyoutai]

@@sojourner3300 Dude you just watched a series where the Terran had 1 base vs 3 and was behind 100 supply and still won the game.

[@aaronalquiza9680]

39:28 "EPIC WIN/FAIL!"

[@PiGCasts]

Oh damn 2010 counts as old timey now? I must be super old haha

[@aaronalquiza9680]

@@PiGCasts literally people born back then are teenagers now!!! lol whippersnappers!

[@onlyonehoccus]

I hate terran and zerg but Clem and serral are a joy to watch when the games are like this

[@laureloneiros1500]

The cost efficiency of Terran is insane

[@balazspeter1721]

yeah unbalanced as hell. if serral lost this much what can a normal guy lost? 5 to 1? no balance :(

[@PiGCasts]

Let me fix that for you "The cost efficiency of CLEM is insane" Haha I haven't seen someone trade this well vs Serral in a loooooooooong time

[@jameslog3431]

is there anyway to download the replay?

[@PiGCasts]

ESL Winter reps: x.com/ESLSC2/status/1736557238448484416?s=20

[@jameslog3431]

@@PiGCasts Thanks Pig! I appreciate all you do for the community!

[@kainakrit9311]

Is Clem taking a page out of Maru's style in game 3

[@kostyantynhoncharov493]

Hey PiG !!! why you didn't come to Atlanta to cast ?! It wasn't the same without you !!

[@PiGCasts]

wish they hired me, hopefully get to come next year!

[@kimnasstrom1919]

clem breaking the game 💥😵‍💫 GG

[@JaeEnnen]

you spelled 'widow mines' wrong

[@EuroG100]

add light tag to ghosts plz

[@00jknight]

Why make liberators at all against Ling's? Seems so expensive just to kill them one at a time.

[@davidj9977]

amazing games. amazing casting. it looks like Clem leveled up to do to Serral what Terran does best to Zerg at every level of the ladder - turtle efficiently. It is virtually impossible to trade efficiently headbashing ZvT, so mathematically zerg either finds a way to out-macro, overwhelm, or steal resources in mid-game --- or terran will win the efficiency war and be the only one left with money during late late mine-out. it starts at the very beginning with zerg throwing away gas in banes to kill mineral only marines and terran flying away gas in medivacs. then progresses to ghost snipe outranging and countering everything zerg has. The counter is to build non-biological units... ohh wait.... im curios what Serral will do to the meta in response.

[@alexch3618]

level up? you mean zerg got leveled down with the baneling nerf/mine buff.

[@sojourner3300]

@@alexch3618 LOL Even if ZERG received nerfs, they'd still be more OP than other two classes. - Here's a simple fact for you - >50% of ALL WORLDWIDE MAJOR TOURNAMENT WINNERS WERE ZERG players. How is Zerg OP you might ask??? ZERG is much less micro-intensive vs Terran - its spell casters have MULTIPLE, LARGE AREA offensive spells requiring ZERO micro skills, and they are effective in NEARLY ALL SITUATIONS, with SINGLE click affecting LARGE groups or AREA - (1) PARASITIC bomb nearly kills Medi vacs and damages nearby units, works in nearly all bio units; (2) FUNGAL is a totally momentum changing spell, entire group of units can be lost, works in ALL SITUATIONS, BIO or MECH - (3) ABDUCT is extremely effective with its LONG reach, works in ALL SITUATIONS and stages of game (bio for medivacs, devastating for MECHs), (4) BLIndING CLoud - single click affects large area, is absolutely devastating, works in ALL SITUATIONS. Look up description of Viper on SC2 Liquipedia - it says "The Viper does not attack. Instead, it uses its spells to disrupt the positioning of enemy units" - that should have been their role, but why in the world did they buff them by giving them parasitic bombs? They were already very powerful even before that. Meanwhile.....Terran has ZERO offensive spells that affect MULTIPLE enemy units, and they are useful in LIMITED SITUATIONS - e.g. SNIPE only works on FEW enemy units at a time, it is useless vs. tide after tide of zerglings/banes, AND you literally have to click on each single enemy unit, and it merely stems the offensive tide unless ZERG is stupid enough to only make Ultras. The EMP is purely defensive with no DAMAGE repercussion - but if you miss EMP'ing enemy spell casters Terran gets screwed. Ravens were nerfed to the point that they've become nearly completely useless in pro tournaments in TvZ. I haven't seen any pro Terrans use Ravens anymore cuz they've become pretty much useless and are so easy to pick off due to their slow speed. Terrans are the MOST micro-intensive - tanks/liberators require siege/unsiege and are SLOW as well, Thors are SLOW as hell, Widow mines you have to BURROW/UNBORROW and are nearly useless in pro games UNLESS you MICRO target and even then its attacks are 100% TELEGRAPHED with white line towards target, how stupid is that, any good ZERG will simply dodge them (again, micro-intensive). Widow mines easy to dodge - just run 1-2 lings into the line and you are done - There are simply No attacks/spells Terran has that force Zergs to micro individual units within the entire group. The only semi-microintensive Zerg unit is Lurker - and why the hell are they given HOLD FIRE while widow mines weren't?? Hold-fire Lurkers at the right moment can completely DESTROY entire army of Terrans. It's a wonder why more Zerg players don't do this. At least Protoss has Psy-Storm for area damage, +Colossus is extremely effective vs Lings/Banes. But for Terran to have ZERO large area offensive skill??? TvZ very heavily favors Zerg.

[@verdibyrd]

everyone knows high tech zerg army micro is way harder and they have to micro their eco and creep on top of that. we have a terran world champion rn and iirc 3/4 of the top 4 were terran, thats before the zerg nerfs. you're just some low-mid T who copes when you lose to zerg telling yourself its easier and you're so triggered you're bad that you need to write a novel of bullcrap to justify your losing. also imagine thinking units being slower makes them more micro intensive. and how are you gonna say in the same sentence that widow mines are easy to dodge because you have to micro one zergling into the line, then the literal next thing is 'T has no attack that require zerg to micro individual units', keep coping. also, you started your novel with 'LOL' so your entire argument is invalid anyway @@sojourner3300

[@app2530]

I agree. Sojourner has lots of bad takes in this comment section.

[@alexch3618]

@@sojourner3300 if anything, this is egg on Blizzard's SC2 balance team's face, not clem or serral. To let balance get this out of control for so long is just plain poo.

[@danielpreus3588]

Frustrating when Zerg dont make a few corrupters and counter the endless drop lift shenanigans. Ghosts sniping and emping seems imba, lower their health or mana. Frustrating watching serral but good cast

[@Manwu5]

I watched serral vs Clem and all i can say is that this boy is brilliant and humble. For those that think the game is balanced go see the series i mentioned and watch how clem is trading 3 times better and could not win. The gap between resources spent and the ability to rebuild them is way too one sided in favor of the zerg. At some point clem had lost 12k resources and serral almost 30k and could not win.... BALANCE LUL

[@write-only]

Zerg outmines Terran. Terran outtrades Zerg. Clem exploits those facts by playing long games, choking his opponent as the map mines out!

[@Manwu5]

@@write-only out trades with extreme skill. One infestor below your army and you are lost. Zero mistakes tolerated. Unlike zergs

[@gmfreshirl8190]

That’s kinda annoying how Zerg auto gets ahead. Should be equal

[@LucemFerre82]

Man snipes are still crazy op, I play terran and I still feel bad when a bunch of ultras are just deleted, and Z has no good counter.

[@garryarganis5801]

people say zergs are OP toss needs buffs and terrans been crying for years. the reality is protoss could use a small buff but the underlying problem is that all the protoss players we currently have arent as good as their counterparts playing terran and zerg, too many protoss left for military or moved on with their life only hero classic and maxpax are top tier and maxpax doesnt go offline so you only have 2 top tier protoss players who realistically have a chance to win it all, and terran is by far the strongest race if played perfectly out of all 3 races, and even if you fall behind you still have the option to turtle and win unlike with protoss and zerg who dont have the same options, and we see maru do that to perfection and now clem, huge respect, im so happy for clem and i cant wait to watch him play in IEM, if you think zerg or toss is OP its not a race issue, its a skill issue git gud nerd.

[@medicinemandan271]

That really wasn’t that close of a series at all.

[@silentotto5099]

"This is the bomb"... That's not a 90s saying... That's a 70s saying. God... I feel old now.

[@PiGCasts]

haha that's true, i guess it was already fading out when I was a kid in the 90s

[@silentotto5099]

@@PiGCasts Well, you grew up in Australia. Maybe there was some lag. :)

[@PiGCasts]

we are generally 20 years behind lol

[@zes7215]

wrg

[@zandrowabe6620]

nooo

[@alexch3618]

clem's big problem wasn't "nerves" or whatever. it was patch balance now super tilting the matchup in his favor now with his mine heavy style vs nerfed banelings.

[@SPQR_14]

They finally got what they wanted, the GOAT losing tournaments lol

[@ryanyoung8029]

So salty lol

[@PiGCasts]

the baneling vs widow mine interaction didn't change at all. Widow mines do 40 splash damage in the full radius and banes went from 35-->30 HP.

[@alexch3618]

@@PiGCasts This still impacts the game. now that banelings are killed much easier, their probability of detonating on ANYTHING (including mines) is drastically decreased. more mines unloading their load is a bigger probability now. Not killing masses of marines with nerfed banelings means mines have a bigger buffer zone. you aren't dragging mines anymore.

[@ryanyoung8029]

@@alexch3618 Well they were OP before, and pretty much still are unless you can micro super fast

[@ThePlayingTurtle]

First

[@vladlogvin6559]

Noooooooo

[@geuros]

Plat Zergs in the comment section crying for mine and ghost delete while happily ignoring Viper is the best spellcaster in the game

[@heldenkatze]

Terran efficiency is OP

[@gonzalogomez2926]

Terran just has to build a ton of static defenses, wm, tanks and thats it... "Improvement" my ass, clem realized he isnt as good as serral and he has to turtle to beat him, meh

[@nickxplore4265]

Clem played incredibly, but I will say this. The fact that a single mine can INSTANT delete 750 minerals (30 kills) in 0,1 seconds from 1 shot with zero micro required for said shot.... THAT is f-ed.

[@mattevans8090]

first

[@JaeEnnen]

widow mines with 30, 40, even 51 kills each...is stupid...they are so cheap to buy and easy to just set and forget.

[@wedgeantilles8575]

Great games. In game 3 Clem made two quite big errors in the early game - he left the door open and let lings in. If Zerg is out of position just once in this stage of the game, it is game over for Zerg.

[@PiGCasts]

Zerg also has way more vision with creep, lings and overlords. So letting marines or hellions into your base and being completely out of position at this stage is a poor comparison. Clem reacted incredibly quickly with insane speed/skill to limit the damage

[@wedgeantilles8575]

@@PiGCasts Well, the Terran could just have the Depot up. And only lower it when he actually needs to let a unit out. Quite a lot of effort? Sure, but e.g. creepspread and inject requires constant action too. Spreading creep or upping and downing a depot is not different. That Clem played amazing was never in question btw.

[@panzfaust9812]

Nerf the player not the race. i think clem heard the crowd/ caster reaction to that impending drop

[@PiGCasts]

Unlikely, Serral's been using that move A LOT over the last few months

[@panzfaust9812]

​@@PiGCastshey, wondering if you will cast offline events in 2024. Do keep us posted

[@SPQR_14]

Driving me nuts to keep hearing pig say that broodlords are the response when Clem is pumping mass ghost... Just no.

[@PiGCasts]

Broods with infestor support can fight vs ghosts just fine. Especially when there were multiple points where clem had only 5-10 ghosts and Serral had 5k/3k in the bank

[@tigera6]

You cant fight Blord with just Ghost, you need Lib/Thors/Hellbat which will force Clem to change his army composition and approach. You sound like 20 Ghost can just amove and snipe down 16 BLord like nothing. Maybe against you playing Zerg, not Serral.

[@jasondavid7529]

zErg is nerfed

[@OnigoroshiZero]

Nerf Mines and Ghosts to the ground, then we can talk about balancing the game.

[@Lost7one]

cry is free

[@JaeEnnen]

I agree mostly...but get rid of the widow mines completely...such a stupid unit.

[@tigera6]

@@JaeEnnen Then you need to give Terran something back to zone out/control against mass Lingbane.

[@shaunkiyabu2707]

@@tigera6wtf are siege tanks?!?!

[@nickxplore4265]

Clem played incredibly, but I will say this. The fact that a single mine can INSTANT delete 750 minerals (30 kills) in 0,1 seconds from 1 shot with zero micro required for said shot.... THAT is f-ed. Mines need a goddamn splash radious nerf, there is NO WAY it should be able to cover an area that kills THIRTY units.

[@balazspeter1721]

go home turtle terrans boooo. give planetary hatcheries and instant drone skill to hatcheries as zerg. ladder is no fun for zerg. bravo for the balance council.

[@PiGCasts]

Clem just fought his heart out and Serral got a bit stubborn on an ultralisk style and couldn't find openings. A nailbitingly close series after Serral's beaten Clem the last 6 times they played, most played on the new patch. I get it hurts when your favourite player doesn't win but SC results are 99% Skill.

[@balazspeter1721]

terrans cant be killed. they have comeback mechanic. where is the zerg comeback mechanic???? zerg need more powerful static defenses. or nerf the terran defense. super booring fustrating as a zerg. just stoped playing the game. its not fun. zerg nerrrfing gone too far with the bane nerf. fire the balance council.

[@balazspeter1721]

terran is imba. fire the balance council. shame. ladder zergs cant have fun nowdays. booooo

[@lachmeneger]

terran OP

[@zion5354]

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