Pikmin's Umibozu Theory CONFIRMED (ft.

[@davogato_real]

❤😸🚀☄👻

[@VantageEmblem]

I hate that I understood this comment haha. Thanks for working with me, pal. ❤

[@davogato_real]

​@@VantageEmblem Thank you for being my friend and Pikmin collaborator!!!!!🌼❤😺🌊👻

[@yooreek457]

what

[@GeloSceron97]

Lol I also understood this comment...I think.

[@keithtorgersen9664]

Also gotta think about what in Pikmin 2, 3, and 4 keeps making Louie the principle villain and if he has some sort of connection to this planet’s mysterious force.

[@patroka]

To clarify this for the viewers- the umebozu theory has not been confirmed by the report, rather all that happens is that a character proposes several theories as an explanation for the crashes. Including the umebozu theory. That means that the THEORY is canon in-universe. As in, a character thinks it is plausible. It does not confirm anything outright. (Though, it does explicitly say that the waterwraith’s rollers are made of meteorite materials).

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

This deconfirmes the water wraith isn't real theory?

[@patroka]

@@diegodankquixote-wry3242 The theory has not been shown to be true. All that has been confirmed, is that a character in-universe thinks it is plausible. This makes the theory much more likely to be true, especially since they did confirm that the rollers are made of meteorite. But, it has not been confirmed outright.

[@chaotixthefox]

​@@diegodankquixote-wry3242Correct.

[@gaines8807]

Thanks lol you saved me from watching the 17 minute video 😂

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

@@chaotixthefox peak fire 🔥 the water wraith is real!

[@MSOGameShow]

>The world changes depending on who enters I never would have imagined Pikmin took place on a planet-wide Silent Hill.

[@heavenswheel502]

In my restless dreams, I see that planet, PNF-404...

[@B3313fan]

Every copy of pnf-404 is personalized

[@TheGreyShaman]

Every 3D copy of earth is personalized within this 4D construct of time as well

[@malinok4889]

The thing is, the game characters are theorizing as well. They're thinking about much of the same concepts we did with some extra context and evidence. They haven't outright proved or confirmed anything, but the characters are investigating these mysteries like we are. I think that's a lot more interesting than just completely confirming or debunking fan theories.

[@StarTopus]

The Pikmin Garden lore is truly INSANE. The fact they're officially acknowledging things we've been speculating about for years is INCREDIBLE. I do find the multiple comments about the planet itself being alive SUPER fascinating, like that deserves it's own discussion entirely for the implications. Honestly given the website pitches three different scenarios for the crash landings, I wonder if it's some sort of symbiotic relationship between the Wraiths, the Pikmin, and the planet itself. The planet causes the crashes so that the captains can either lead the Pikmin and protect them OR so they can become Wraith food. Definitely gonna have to think about this but OH MAN IS IT EXCITING! This truly is the best time to be a Pikmin fan.

[@VantageEmblem]

There’s SO MUCH to unpack here. Definitely topics worth talking about in the future.

[@DiamondIceNS]

My expectation is that the umibozu-coded mythology was introduced no sooner than Pikmin 3. The way the Plasm Wraith behaves and acts as the final boss make it rather overt. The Water Wraith is also very obviously inspired by umibozu as well, don't get me wrong... but I expect its umibozu story was, at the time, conceived to be nothing more than a self-contained episode within the Submerged Castle. I argue this concept was elevated to being tied to the wrecking of ships in Pikmin 3, after the developers refined the concept and wrote a story for it. The original crash of the Dolphin was, at the time, probably not given much thought. I expect it's Miyamoto's minimalist storytelling striking once again. "They kidnap Princess Peach in a cake," "Olimar hits a meteor and crashes," they ring the same to me, y'know? Intentionally serviceable events that did not have anything planted there that wasn't already obvious. Though, even if nothing was put there at the time, doesn't mean it can't be recontextualized with later supplemental information. I think that is what's been done here. We haven't so much solved an ARG as much as we've simply watched the series grow to the point where it decided to tease new answers to things that weren't initially intended to be questions. And while that's not as fun a way to see things compared to believing we've solved an intentionally crafted ARG, I still think it's really cool.

[@zacharyweaver276]

Personally i think if its a wraith doing it it's something other than the wraiths we've seen so far

[@VantageEmblem]

I really love this idea and hope it is true, and I think that might honestly be! Just like the Pikmin have their onions, maybe the wraiths have some sort of higher entity that is truly behind the crashes that we have yet to encounter...

[@marcelopaulo446]

​@@VantageEmblemShigeru Myamoto

[@TyBortis]

​@@VantageEmblemOr Louie. Louiebozu.

[@semmieb3e127]

@@VantageEmblem Maybe it's in the exosphere, which is how it's causing the crashes in the first place. Can't cause the spaceships to crash if you're on the ground, only if you're in the outermost layer of the atmosphere.

[@nathanblackburn1193]

Maybe if the planet itself is some form of "wraith" then it is using its magnetic field to manipulate the "meteors" to crash ships, meanwhile the other "wraiths" are like lesser agents being controlled by the planet itself, the goal being to bring back the "humans" that left it and evolved into the various spacefaring diminutive people we see in the games, this could even be why the planet is still rather pristine, like with Heroes Hideaway, the areas are being preserved by an unknown force for when the humans return.

[@mikelonduckguey]

Yeah it could be that wraiths are like, quantum "ghosts". Like not an actual spirit, but an energy-based lifeform that makes it's physical body out of organic but non-living substances. And maybe the planet is one of the aforementioned organic but non-living substances

[@heavenswheel502]

That would be sorta bittersweet--despite everything humans did to it, it wants them to return...

[@shadowkingleo7776]

I like to think the PNF404 is actually the same Earth we live on, but in a weird dimensional sense where we can't be seen by the characters, but we know that things have been tampered with. It's clearly shown that there is still human activity on PNF404 because in the Olimar prologue, the Heroes Hideaway looks like it was just moved into and when he tells the story and the player gets there, it looks lived in. The Umibōzu theory may very well be true as you say

[@dailydelphox]

There’s also the Olimar Piklopedia entry in Pikmin 3 about how he believes the hole in the Plasma Wraith is a psychic wound that has to do with the state of the planet. What’s up with that?

[@toko90s9]

Nintendo with Pikmin 4: D O G G O Nintendo with a Pikmin website on some random day in September: Oh yeah btw the theories about that weird thing at the end of Pikmin 3 are true lmao

[@VantageEmblem]

This is exactly how I feel, the whiplash is insane hahaha

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

Man... the idea that the Wraiths are these mythological creatures willed into being by the superstitious beliefs of humans, that are effectively abandoned by humanity on Earth and long for their return, is actually shockingly sad. They just don't want you to leave them again...

[@ancientgearsynchro]

Umibozo: "No escape pods, cowards! We crash and die like MEN!"

[@Klyxlik]

At the farthest depths of the formidable oak lies a mysterious treasure worth millions of pokos. However, this treasure is not only sought after by treasure hunters, but by historians too. This Conscious Cube contains the memory of a resident of PNF-404.

[@lordpikmin1679]

Could you possibly discuss the Pikmin Theory? It explains that the reason every castaway crashes onto the planet is in part due to the Onions, not the Umebozu. Whenever leaflings talk, it's not from their mind filled with Dandori, but of the Onions themselves, especially Leafling Olimar. Other hints and clues that lean further into this theory is the fact that every captain (minus the avatar character in 4) notes that they have an overprotective urge to protect the pikmin or are inclined to pluck pikmin as if something is telling them to. The Leaflings are a way for the Onion to secure permanent leaders as seen with Leafling Olimar and to some extent, Moss.

[@fernandovelazquez4440]

I personally like this theory more than the Umebozu one, it perfectly ties into the disturbing, yet, fascinating nature of, well, nature itself.

[@Omegashotgun]

I also feel that logically speaking, the Pikmin theory is much better supported than the Umebozu theory. I used to believe the Umebozu theory before Pikmin 4 came out, but the evidence is kind of scattered and you need to draw some specific conclusions not present in the games. The fact the pikmin and onions are always present and have space faring capability makes it way more believable in comparison.

[@Nine_year]

What stops both theories from being correct

[@olimar12345]

Great video; good work, you two! There isn't a doubt in my mind that the Umibozu tale was the influence for the original game, and that the cultural disconnect left us westerners in the dark all this time. The gameplay and given story has proved enough in all games that this franchise stands strongly on its own legs without the need to study Japanese folklore prior (or have the game tell us in lengthy cutscenes, etc.

[@SpecterVonBaren]

I highly doubt the original game had this theory planned out. I do however think it's very likely that with the creation of 2 that they had an idea going and then with 3 they finalized on it being the lore.

[@JsYTA]

They also suggest PNF-404 itself is a living organism, with all of it's creatures playing a role in it's biology. Pikmin is Earth.

[@lenaarhur8720]

I noticed that the meteor in the P1 opening cutscene looks kind of like a konpeitō, a traditional Japanese candy often associated with the stars and meteors, as well as something that Nintendo has used before with falling stars in Mario Galaxy or in the Pokemon, Minior. Could it be that the name referring to candy and rain could be talking about candy-like meteors falling from the sky, placing the wraiths as being extraterrestrial in origin? From there the connection could be made to star festivals, wishing on falling stars, or even an extinction even caused by a meteor impact, which could relate to the lack of humanity on earth in Pikmin.

[@DarkSlayerJ]

Since Pikmin 4, I had this strange idea that the world wasn't exactly.... real? But not fake either. Like, we're in a straight up house that's still clearly being lived in, but nothing about it ever changes, and there's creatures and caves everywhere..? That doesn't make sense. It's as though we're just visiting these locations on another plane of existence or something. A snapshot of time of how things were, minus the people, plopped down into this world where these creatures are real and just go with it, living in these new locations like nature returning. Combine that with learning that the website treats all 3 prior games as cannon and real, and it introduces the idea that the timeline is wonky, but only when THIS LOCATION is involved, like it all just kind of mixes together. One thing isn't exactly clear though. I don't recall (it's been a hot minute since I fully completed 4 twice) if anyone makes reference to these reports or any knowledge of Pikmin. So are these reports also from another blip in the timeline for US or are they also in game cannon? Getting back into the timeline a bit, if things continue in 5, will we get a soft reboot of 3? 2? or a whole new game story? They can really go anywhere in any way at this point with how they left things. Heck, I'm shocked a DLC didn't come out that was just the retelling of 2 or 3 post 4 timeline. Then there's the sage leafling and hooo-boy I don't know what to make of that guy. Just someone who had a similar experience to Olimar but didn't make it out and no one ever came looking for him that eventually fully adapted and overcame the pikification mindset of Dandori only.

[@heyj64]

That reminds me of a Polish novel called Solaris, in which a group of scientists are trying to study a planet with a living alien ocean that shapeshifts into people and familiar places to avoid comprehension

[@SpecterVonBaren]

What if the Sage is original timeline's Olimar?

[@ndartehkewl1282]

I always liked the theory that the onions’ communication with pikmin via signals or whatnot were also able to interfere with ships and occasionally bring down captains, after which they would lend them the aid of the pikmin who they have a mutualist relationship with, parasitizing off of the captain’s intelligence to massively grow the pikmin’s numbers and put them on top of the food chain, thereby allowing the onion to thrive. To me it fits in a lot more with the games’ themes, not to mention how it reframes the events of the series to show that this really is a planet where survival of the fittest was taken to any extreme it could. Though this theory is pretty cool in a cosmic lovecraftian type of way too, it is a bit disappointing to me to be honest lol

[@Ahlnie]

I wonder how likely it is that this isn't confirmation (the theory was canon before being discussed), but adoption (one of the devs liked the theory and included it). On the one hand, it would be cool if the devs had thought this out beforehand, but on the other hand, it would also be cool if someone influencial at Nintendo was actually paying attention to fan theories.

[@peash0ter610]

THIS. IS. INSANE. I was writing a pikmin fic about Olimar teaming up with evolved pikmin, only to learn of the wraiths being keepers of human knowledge, and Olimar learning that all the humanoid creatures in the galaxy have evolved from humans after a catastrophe. WHATS NEXT?!?!?!?! WILL THE PLASM WRAITH HAVE MADE PIKMIN LIKE I WAS WRITING IN MY FIC?!?!?!??!?!?!? Guess I better look out for Nintendninjas in my room... Either way VICTORYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! Edit: I found out what is next (Brothership spoiliers): Mario and Luigi smashing the matrix. I guessed it AGAIN

[@peash0ter610]

@Star_Mans_Legacy I'll let you know when it's up! I want to finish the first chapter of my Splatoon fic first!

[@ThePageofVoid]

So the basis of Olimar’s dream in the Plasm Wraith would suggest that Pikmin Bloom is in fact a prequel to the entirety of the Pikmin Franchise

[@keithtorgersen9664]

Pikmin 4 water wraith was nerfed compared to Pikmin 2, mainly in speed. In Pikmin 2, it moved so fast that I could barely keep my blue pikmin from being crushed.

[@MegaBbones]

THIS IS SO COOL!!! I just wish 4 didn't make the timeline so crazy and not make sense omg

[@iminmyglo]

It’s crazy to me that this theory has been considered at all by an official Nintendo forum

[@GoldPikmin]

I remember watching Dazz's video about the theory when it was new, and the fact that it's borderline real after all this time one way or another is kinda wild. (congratulations, you've just gotten the FNaF fan experience lmao) There's still questions lingering there though. When it comes to Pikmin 4's canonical multiple Waterwraiths, is it actually multiple or is it able to exist in multiple instances at the same time? And where do the wraiths even come from to begin with? Perhaps a mutated divergent path from the same ancestors as the spacefaring people?

[@firebird64dd22]

Alright Grandpa, let’s get you to bed. In all seriousness, the idea that a small fanbase could impact something like Nintendo is so fun to think about!

[@VantageEmblem]

Underrated comment

[@juter1122]

I highly doubt anyone on the dev team were influenced by the west in any way, umibozu is just a yokai that influenced the creation of the games

[@VantageEmblem]

I personally agree with you, though Davo and I have heard a LOT of people claim that this is what had happened and so we wanted to address it in the video!

[@juter1122]

@@VantageEmblem thanks for replying :3

[@MegaMinerd]

Gaddam. I'll be honest. While the amebozu/umibozu parallels had appeal when I first heard the theory, the related speculation such as a possible connection to the goolix seemed so flimsy that it ruined the credibility of the whole thing in my eyes. Going into this, I expected the only thing that would convince me was if Nintendo straight up said it and I was quite surprised that they actually did. However, there are some comments made in the series, such as the piklopedia entry on Moss, leave questions that are hard to answer with umibozu theory alone. My next question is if there's any reason to believe there are multiple forces, independent or unified, that are causing such an extreme number of crashes.

[@pikmindisco]

I haven’t heard that name in a long time. . .

[@VantageEmblem]

Long time or not, it’s canon now!

[@jimbob6355]

I still remember watching Daz's video upon it's release. It's lovely to see the theory get so far!

[@RodH-pj1py]

I remember when i found Dave a looooong time ago with his pikmin theory videos. I loved the way he edited the videos and the passion and even his soothing voice. My love for the pikmin franchise led me to find other channels like Dazz, arlo, and now vantageemblem which helped me survive through the pikmin drought. Pikmin, my fave franchise ❤️ 🌱

[@BoulderWraith]

Its not necessarily cannot just yet... The website gives TWO theories, so one could be true and the other could not. We have seen previous theories like the Smokey Proggs strange origins be confirmed though, so its likely, just not 100%

[@BoulderWraith]

Its impressive how much lore they managed to put into the Pikmin series though, before 4 (and Pikmin Garden) there wasn't much lore at all, mostly just tiny hints that lead nowhere... Sad that Pikmin Garden is only available in Japanese though...

[@shadowkingleo7776]

the origins of the smoky progg are definitely interesting. They're Mamuda's that were malformed from being exposed to glow nectar apparently

[@pikminfan123_]

Feels weird talking about pikmin again. Definitley find it interesting how the lore is being released outside of the games.

[@shopnil4]

I do hope they do go more into the Uni Bozu theory more into the future Pikmin content/games. They clearly have a syory they want to tell, but the long breaks between games doesn't give much of a chance to say as much. I'm also curious why a crash caused by the Umi Bozu didnt happen, as the only crash there was due to limited visibilty caused by a blizzard. The only explanation that could make sense is that they haven't had it planned it out since then.

[@boxylemons7961]

One thing that feels weird to me that’s unrelated to the theory mostly, as revealed by the pikmin garden website, is how there’s the implication that the spacefaring peoples in the series are somehow descended to humans. But that begs the question of really how they got to be so tiny then if they evolved from humans. If I remember correctly, don’t animals only evolve if the traits benefit their survival? How does going from being 6 foot tall to being mere inches provide any sort of biological advantage? And furthermore, just, how is that even possible? It makes a lot more sense to me that the people in the series are just humanoid, albeit tiny, aliens. Considering they apparently lost the ability to breathe oxygen as shown in the first game and the fact they’ve shrunk so much, it really makes way more sense. It doesn’t have to be explained too much. It’s not gonna ruin the series for me but it’s a very questionable decision in terms of the series lore

[@TerminalDevastation]

On its own, each trait really doesn't make sense... but paired... It might be an adaption resulting from an environment losing oxygen or with limited oxygen (or even no native oxygen), initially getting smaller and smaller, thus requiring less resources and more oxygen effiecent until they needed none at all.

[@FissionCube]

@@TerminalDevastation i know with insects at least, a major theory for why many extinct species grew so much bigger than what still lives today is higher oxygen levels allowing them to get larger. maybe you could argue its some kinda inverse version of that. though i dont think oxygen levels are believed to be that big a contributing factor in the extinction of mammalian megafauna though. i guess theres also bergmann's rule that states that in general species in colder climates are larger and in warmer climates are smaller, and the thermal maximum events of the paleogene have been noted to cause dwarfism in species, though temporary and reversible. the layout of pnf-404 is clearly the theorised pangaea proxima supercontinent, a layout which would drive up the average temperature to a hothouse climate that would drive species to extinction. i suppose i could string together some crazy theory that theyre going with some weird thing where the temperature increase caused humans to evolve to be tiny???? or maybe more like climate change causing global warming which made people tiny and then they left earth and didnt become big again?? nintendo already has a climate disaster post apocalypse scifi speculative evolution plot in splatoon but i mean maybe theyre doing it again? (splatoon is the one that came second if that was always the idea but u know what i mean) i dunno its a weird implication i dont know why the little pikmin people are theorising they evolved from humans now. youd need some absolutley wild speculative evolution to make people tiny like that so any idea you could come up with is going to be a stretch by default. at the very least theres clearly some shared common ancestor between hocotatians, koppaites, giyans, etc so i mean theres gonna be some kind of ancestor species reveal i assume. i think itd be funny if theyre descended not from humans but some kind of small primate species. mouse lemur people or something.

[@Shadowonwater]

bigger animals need more food so maybe humans evolved over a long period of time to be smaller due to having less food

[@Blackpeel]

It is explicitely stated in Pikmin 3 that the reason the creatures of PNF-404 are so big is because of the high amount of oxygen compared to Koppai and such. Perhaps the humans that left Earth and went to the planets that had less oxygen evolved to not need as much, therefore becoming smaller? IDK, I think Hocotations and Koppaites and such being descended from humans is a bit dumb to begin with, especially since Pikmin 1 alludes to PNF-404 being covered in radiation. It makes much more sense to me that we killed ourselves off with nuclear bombs; and the Umibōzu Wraith(s?) jumped at the chance to have intelligent life living with them again when Olimar happened to pass by (and then they got attached to him when he willingly returned multiple times).

[@Slime.pikmin]

WTH NO WAY THIS HAS BEEN CANON NOW?!

[@VantageEmblem]

Yeah, you can see it for yourself on the website!

[@MaddyRaddy9]

Haven't watched the video yet, this better be REALLY good to debunk the Onion theory. I loved the Umibozu theory, and I still do, but the Onion theory is just so much better, it's gonna take a lot to beat.

[@MaddyRaddy9]

This video was good for adding extra support to the Umibozu Theory, but I still think that the Onion Theory dominates.

[@boxylemons7961]

Regarding the mentioning of the “Cultural DNA” of Pikmin, I think with this theory being confirmed alongside the emphasis on “Dandori” in pikmin 4, I think there needs to be more of an analysis of Pikmin through Japanese Lense. It seems like the series is very much deeply influenced by Japanese Culture and is certainly a uniquely Japanese game series. I don’t know how much western and Japanese fans of Pikmin really communicate, but I think there certainly needs to be some sort of look back into the whole series with an analysis of how Japanese Culture may have influenced it in even minor ways. Perhaps the Pikmin could be inspired by some kind of Yo-Kai in themselves. Hell maybe Olimar’s love of Pik-Pik carrots that he names the pikmin after could be inspired from some Japanese historical or folklore figure whose favorite food was carrots. Just spitballing here but maybe a lot of the aspects of the series we find weird could make more sense if we viewed the series through the lense of Japanese culture

[@yobi512]

Well… this isn’t very surprising considering how Japanese people (for example Nintendo or Studio Ghibli) tend to do this often, they heavily rely on their legends and culture to create something new If you’re still doubtful, take a look at Animal Crossing, there’s Tom Nook who is based of a Tanuki, or Kapp’n who is based of a Kappa

[@godismyjudge4964]

How can all 4 games be canonical if Pikmin 4 literally does a soft reboot? Pikmin 2 was referenced as a dream and the bad ending of Pikmin 1 was made canonical meaning Pikmin 2 never actually happened for it would have been impossible.

[@Beefaroni_Bert]

i personally dont think humans are the progenitors of the other humanoids we see in the pikmin series. but my personal theory is that humans both do and dont exist at the same time of the games. considering how clean the world is, ie not overgrown over human structures and seemingly maintained, it could be that everything is kept clean by the wraiths themselves or perhaps the planet refuses to tarnish what once stood. this gives credence to the idea that the planet in some way is alive or has a will of its own. but perhaps everything we see that is man-made is actually the product of the umibozus? ways to show the past but also tempt any newcomers to try and study or claim it for themselves. another piece of the theory is that this is a mirror of our world. things change constantly because another version of the world of pikmin exists simultaneously with it, ie OUR world. this is why pikmin bloom is relevant to the series, this is why olimar dreamt of our world not the pikmin world, this is possibly how the wraiths know who or what we are. Olimar was seeing our world through a dream either because of the wraith or because he was just existing in two different planes while asleep. And the reason stuff moves is because humans interacting with things in our world somehow moves them in that one. The biggest factor to this theory is the water wraith itself. We literally see that it bends reality around itself, making itself invincible until hit by a purple pikmins gravity. Which theoretically is what would take it out of that form, immense gravity to staple it to a physical form or fix the strain between both worlds. the weirdest theory i can think of is that every being in pikmin that we can see is a 4th dimensional creature. it would explain how weird they get, like the ghost frog in pikmin 1, the wraiths, even ghost pikmin. it may also explain why people arent visible, theyre on a 3d plane while everything we see is 4d. thats how items get moved around, thats how places shift between games. it sounds stupid sure, nothing more than silly babble, but again the water wraith slipping in and out of existence really does hammer the nail somewhat. if you stayed this long, congrats you get a cookie! 🍪 thank you for coming to my TED talk!

[@Bighaid91]

W, that Dazz vid is one of the first pieces of Pikmin content I ever saw.

[@captainobvious1484]

Thank you for reminding me just how much I love how strange pikmin's story can get Excellent video❤

[@That_One_Xatu]

As a professional Umibozu theory hater, I am coping and seething right now...

[@kaiden2003]

You know what I just realized… Nintendo is probably working on Pikmin 5 rn

[@VantageEmblem]

It’s very, very possible! Hopefully it doesn’t take ten years to be finished haha. For real, though, if they started right as Pikmin 4 was released, they’re already a year into development!

[@kaiden2003]

@@VantageEmblem plus, since the umibozu theory is pretty much confirmed, we may finally have an explanation about what exactly happened to the humans and figure out where the wraiths originated from as well! I just hope we’ll be able to play as Olimar and Louie again. Also, my dream Pikmin 5 would be if it took inspiration from Subnautica, where they explore the ocean.

[@StrawhatTrev]

It will be cool if the next Pikmin game, you play as a Pikmin and learn more about the Pikmin lore.

[@thejaguar3191]

My thoughts are the same as when I first heard news about report #10. While it's awesome that the theory is finally confirmed, I can't help but feel disappointed that this bombshell of a lore reveal was revealed on a website instead of inside Pikmin 4 itself. Imagine all the crazy reactions all of us would have had if we uncovered this info during Pikmin 4's release back in July 2023. Oh well. Disappointment aside, I still can't get over how insane it is that this theory is canon, and I'm glad they did cover it even if it wasn't in-game. And yeah, I'm right there with you in hoping we get Pikmin 5 sooner than another 10 years 😂

[@VantageEmblem]

I have a lot of opinions about this, but I do absolutely agree with you. I'm curious if this was stripped out of Pikmin 4's narrative to make it more approachable to newer players, though I have a lot of thoughts on that and the whole "reboot" topic for the future

[@thejaguar3191]

@@VantageEmblem Yeah, I can't help but wonder if Miyamoto has anything to do with the fact the lore was revealed on a website instead of the actual game, given that he's been vocal in the past about his stance on not wanting his games to have super complex narratives

[@RougeMephilesClone]

Umibozu real. -Soma Cruz, probably.

[@leopardlillyirisdomestica7213]

My headcanon: The PNF-404's surface is just actually Pangea Proxima and the surface changes that looks resemble the past (holocene/anthropocene) is just some sort of a new hallucination

[@brothdian]

Headcanon is way off the charts seeing how Olimar and the other explorers can interact with said hallucination from touch and smell to taste and sight aswell.

[@Cool-Vest]

"There's something about this planet."

[@knatkniht]

Gee, this sure would be neat if pikmin lore didnt suck now

[@keithtorgersen9664]

With your concept of the planet’s environment shifting, why do you suppose it cannot adapt the levels of oxygen to be suitable to the travelers?

[@dinglebingle4211]

I'm still a big subscriber to Onion theory, but the implications of the waterwraith's rollers containing material found in meteorites is just too profound to ignore. I had previously believed the Umibozu theory had been superseded by Onion theory, but I now see there's viable evidence for both theories.

[@VantageEmblem]

Ooh, what’s the onion theory?

[@marialuciasilva2362]

That the onion is crash landing the ships ​@@VantageEmblem

[@marialuciasilva2362]

Its a machine so like an emp pulse of sorts when the ship falls the onion is close so like

[@dinglebingle4211]

@@VantageEmblem Basically the Onions are able to produce electromagnetic signals, which is how its able to communicate information to the Pikmin, as stated in the Piklopedia entry for the Gildemander specifically interfering with these signals. The theory essentially states that the Onion uses these signals to mess with the navigation systems of ships that pass by, which in turn cause them to crash land. This is all for the purpose of the further propagation of the Pikmin species, as is remarked by their general survivability under the guidance of a leader, and Pikmin 4's whole thing with explorers becoming leaflings because of their exposure to an Onion.

[@nicolassanchez3047]

All 4 games are canon? Really? Then Pikmin 4 just did an awful job at referencing these events. Because there's always a part that doesn't add up in the timeline. Either Olimar is suffering from memory loss after so many crashes or it's the zelda timeline all ovetr again

[@blakeskit]

does this mean that fiddle bert can be canon

[@bigcheese6417]

I still don't get the umibozo theory being the wraiths. It's also not a theory I find particularly strong. I understand there's definitely cryptic reports about a mysterious force pulling captains in. I don't think "wraiths are pulling olimar in" is all that interesting. I do prefer the part where pnf404 is alive and could potential have an motive. I also want to point out, there was a koro koro interview on pikmin 1 development (i think its koro koro) with Miyamoto. He was saying things Pikmin is designed to make you question if you are the good guy or not and if Pikmin are a virus that's DELIBERATELY under control. The mamuta clearly play a roll with the pikmin and the parallel between the goolix and the wraith creature species. I'm interested if the pikmin see mamuta as a threat or a guardian. Which would explain the mamutas supposed to be found in the distant spring with the smoky prog (where i like the idea of it being a malformed wraith, but i think its just a malformed mamuta, as it only goes for pikmin) Prog and mamuta going for pikmin and wraiths only going for olimar feels like a joint effort to supress pikmin and their captains. What if its the pikmin that call olimar down, or the onions. The pikmin are a virus that needs a vessel a leader. Pikmin 4 only furthers the idea that the onions want captains under their control

[@limelegatta]

Although I love pikmin I’ve gotta say that when working on pikmin 4 it’s pretty obvious that this series doesn’t care about lore when playing the games, this stuff doesn’t matter to the developers you can feel it in how pikmin 4 is basically a reboot of pikmin resetting it’s story. Maybe the people who do the website see this as a real theory but I don’t believe they are getting their information from anyone involved with actually making the games

[@chaotixthefox]

You misspoke regarding the composition of the rollers. It is made of basalt with trace amounts of cobalt and nickel. You said it is made of cobalt and nickel.

[@helixsol7171]

What's so confusing about the timeline? I see no reason why Olimar's Shipwreck Tale couldn't just be another shipwreck on PNF-404 (he gets into those a lot) that just happens to mirror the original crash in the first game, and takes place after 1-3. It's not like he acts like it's his first time being there, and we see no evidence that he doesn't already have prior experience with Pikmin and the other creatures on the planet. I think fans just kinda jumped to conclusions when his crash in 4 was similar to his crash in the original.

[@SeanFronteras-w1y]

Shoutout to @VarietyTelevision for their "Pikmin cause the crashes" theories. Please invite him over next time!

[@insertnamehere1398]

I really loved the idea that the goolix, water wraith, and plasm wraith were all the same thing since until pikmin 4 none of them appeared within the same game as eachother... welll that seems to be disproven now tho lol

[@babdreemer]

Quick question, do you think you’ll do a full pikmin lore video at some point? Like, what happened to humanity, and other questions that people often ask!

[@TamTroll]

how can pikmin 1 2 and 3 be canon when pikmin 4 basically retconned it all away?

[@frug4681]

I think that everything that exists in 1, 2 and 3 do still exist in the new pikmin 4 timelike, just the events of those games don’t happen. By this I mean that the Forest of Hope and Twilight River and enemies such as the Plasm Wraith and Gattling groink very much still exist, it’s just that Olimar didn’t land in the Impact Site. That’s my theory at least

[@TamTroll]

@@frug4681 that makes sense, but i feel like that's less "1 2 and 3 are still canon" and more "it's the same universe, new timeline"

[@evanrosman9226]

Waterwraith

[@VantageEmblem]

Oooooooooooooo

[@marialuciasilva2362]

OOooo

[@marcelopaulo446]

Ooo

[@AbruptAvalanche]

I wish they put this Umibozu stuff into Pikmin 4's story instead of just dropping it onto a Japanese website. This feels too important to the lore to leave out of the main games.

[@3D-B0Y]

He's back!

[@lordhuntington5704]

My theory as to what the Pikmin are is essentially just evolution. The Pikmin are produced by the Onion when given nutrients. My guess would be that this is an evolutionary trait developped by the onions to feed itself. The Pikmin are small offshoots of the onion designed to bring it nutrients,bto create more offshoots and probably another Onion at some point. If the Onions can fuse and grow when provided with large sources of nutrition like the Flarlic, it stands to reason that it can split up into two onions when provided with enough nutrients. The Pikmin also serve as a guarding force against various predators. The different Pikmin types are evolutionary adaptions to different environments. Blue pikmin can survive in water becauese the blue onions live in water filled areas. They probably get sustained by a mix of drawing some nutrients from the things they hunt, as well as photosynthesis using the leaf on their head. My guess, since they are so smaller is that their metabolism is fairly slow to a point where, if they do nothing but chill in the sun, they can sustain themselves. As to why the whistle works on Pikmin/onions, my guess would be that the Onion uses some form of sonic frequency to recall the Pikmin when it gets late, direct them, etc, like the player does only less hands on for obvious reasons. The whistle is probably a side effect. An unanticipated frequency that can override the Onions commands. A biological error, if you will. Lastly, I believe the Onions keeps following the player around because they believe their ships to be a fellow onion, maybe due to the heat output and/or sonic frequencies by the engine, They try to merge with it but are obviously unable to, so they just follow it around trying to merge. The flying into orbit at night is a defense mechanism to hide from the night predators but I believe that's outright stated in Pikmin 3. Lastly, I believe all Onions have a fairly close common ancestor. The Lumiknoll has probably split off earlier in the evolutionary tree than the Onions, causing the huge differences while retaining the abliity to produce Pikmin. The Glow Pikmin are substantially stronger than normal Pikmin due to the fact that they have to deal with the more dangerous night predators. They purely serve as a deterrent since the Lumiknoll is deeply rooted into the ground, drawing it's nutrients form there like a normal plant.

[@frug4681]

Just for some clarification, does the website imply that Pikmin 4 DOES take place in the same timeline as the others? if so, is it a prequel or does it take place where the number suggests?

[@astrixkz]

` elden ring 🤝 🤝 umibozu theory pikmin one piece 🤝

[@berkeleycreager3601]

Small problem.. does this mean Pikmin 4 is NOT an alternate timeline??? If Pikmin 3 has happened for it to be catalogued???

[@kupi7602]

Вы просто взяли и перевернули весь сюжет и лор вверх дном!.. Я в таком шоке, наконец происходящее в Pikmin играх стало для меня логичным и соединяющим все пазлы воедино! Спасибо, ребята, я правда рад что наткнулся на вас!

[@mushsect7511]

maybe wraith as more in revenant coming alive and wanting it's people back or some form of revengeance? (in terms of that planet is a wraith portion)

[@legionbeast]

Something I need to state to people who are saying "But the in-universe character only brings it up as a THEORY!" A writer does this as a way for the READER/VIEWER to KNOW what is going on while leaving the in-universe characters still speculating. See you, as a reader/viewer, can afford to take a 100% direct answer as a yes or no. Your day goes on regardless of the answer. The characters in-universe CAN'T as they have the risk of being wrong potentially costing them their lives.

[@soundabyss]

What if it ends up being the planets atmosphere itself thats either a giant wraith or housing it letting it have some sort of control over of the meteors like waves, because none of the characters can breath oxygen so to me that kinda makes it parallel a bit towards how the umibozu would try to drown the people on the ships it sinks in the ocean, since they cant breath on the planet itself without their suits it might as well be a giant ocean to them in some ways. Even though thats not at all likely a air based wraith would be kinda cool to fight

[@Ganvious]

Vantage is the goat. 👏

[@gamingdudedonal3312]

Does that mean that pikmin bloom is the end of humanity as we know it

[@SuperSagaAdventure]

Theory: Could The Meteor Be Made Of The Same Material As The Water Wraith's Rollerskates? Also, Olimar's Dreams Of Humans Living With Pikmin Being Pikmin Bloom Might Be Canon To The Story telling us how Humans Used To Live On PNF-404 And The Treasures they left behind. I don't know maybe chet would confirm that Pikmin Bloom Is A Dream Of Olimar.

[@ExploreImagineDefineCreate]

What an amazing journey

[@VantageEmblem]

And it feels like we’re just getting started… I’m so excited to see where a potential Pikmin 5 will take us

[@ExploreImagineDefineCreate]

@VantageEmblem I'm glad we got to experience so many new ideas to the pikmin games with 4. Hope they learned what worked and what didn't and hopefully go in an exciting direction that I enjoy with 5.

[@rthSanta1999]

That's amazing to many!! Finished to perfectly a mysterious is great a lot! Not bad, if in ways very good.

[@ExGanonMain]

It’s confirmed for a while

[@MrBuiznessMan]

A City A Lighthouse and a Woman

[@lordmew5]

Screw dazz, he abandoned us.

[@ChaloopaJoe]

Not gonna lie, i like to imagine the Pikmin themselves are somehow the cause of these ships crashing to have some kind of captain lead them to thrive in nature 😂

[@dary3]

That's the onion theory!

[@thedoglovinggamer5825]

6:49 The Pikmin 3 commercials! (I’m semi joking here)

[@Aostrele]

you compare the basic narrative element of context clues to an arg 9:14

[@helixsol7171]

I love Pikmin, I wish I could play it

[@A_Mother_Fan]

keep on going! doing great

[@kingstonroller]

juan piece

[@VantageEmblem]

the one piece is reaaaaaaal

[@schhur]

Oh, My, God!

[@cynicalbear8686]

Pikmin🤝Fnaf

[@stainlesssteel3162]

I think its likely that the theory was adopted by the developers after seeing the popularity of it. I personaly found the theory to be cool, but way too far fetched to actually having been the hidden story of pikmin all along, so i find it doubtfull that this was what the devs had in mind, back when the first games were being made, all those years ago. They were simple games, with a silly story, its way too far fetched to assume this elaborate secret lore was what the developers were planning to tell the masses 20 ish years into the future. It makes sense too, Pikmin 4 introduced and brought back a lot of stuff fans were hoping for, its very likely they adopted the theory due to the fanfare. Cool to see it being canon though.

[@yooreek457]

umibozu real????

[@dr_spwewps]

pnf-404 roguelike real

[@KynG5]

I do seriously think it's a Scott Cawthon deal. There had been literal decades gaps between the releases of 2 and 3 and then from 3 to 4 So with so many different developers and ideas and loredrops and seemingly conflicting information... the best thing *to* do would be a sort of soft reset-not-reset of the series, right? And along with, explain the single most confusing aspect of the previous games with a commonly agreed-upon fan theory

[@justindijk7726]

so cool!

[@amandaletcher1320]

Just look me in the eyes and say the pikmin series wouldn't make a good analog horror series especially since the theory has been confirmed

[@GIGACAT573]

Little bit late on the info.

[@VantageEmblem]

How so? This update (the one regarding the entire theory being confirmed) happened only a few days ago. I linked a video on Davo’s channel from a few months ago about part of the theory being true, but this lore dump canonizes the whole thing

[@GIGACAT573]

@@VantageEmblem My bad