Starfield Pronouns Guy, A Retrospective: Was He Right?

[@PillarofGarbage]

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[@sacrificiallamb4568]

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[@PillarofGarbage]

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[@Joe90h]

@@sacrificiallamb4568 I desperately wish there was a way to block KZbin ads that mention AI, or ChatGPT, or investment bots... I'm inundated with crypto AI chatbot shilling on my home page and I block every advert I see and flagged down 'Investing' as something I wish to see less of and I swear KZbin is pushing it harder because it thinks I'm 'engaging' with it.

[@gamedude412]

The women in starfield isnt a Clone that genderswapped, She a manufactured embryo. Pronouns werent a toogle If you didnt interact with it your game was basically locked. Shad peach's pants reaction was retracted after the movie was viewed...and reviewed.

[@kharijordan6426]

Hmmm. I did this exact thing on a Ben ten KZbin channel... embarrassing, but to delete the comment is to deny that I'm not perfect, not admit that I do, and think stupid shit often. I still hate it when anyone uses gay and black people as swords and shields against criticism, but I should do a better job at identifying when that's actually happening.

[@BlueBeetle1939]

was *"HE"* right!?!?!?! they've gotten to pillarofgarbage!

[@Lezzyboy87]

@BlueBeetle1939 its a she, im sure she won't be offended by me saying that

[@Comicbroe405]

The grifter era has begun

[@connorletkeman5002]

*THEY'VE* gotten to pillar of garbage!?

[@BlueBeetle1939]

@@connorletkeman5002 ive been woked!

[@JupiterJupiter-ln8nc]

​@@BlueBeetle1939 "I'VE" 💀

[@crestren5996]

"You wouldnt survive a CoD lobby" mfs couldnt handle a characteR creation menu for ONE minute

[@TheDoomSlayerButPettingaCat]

"FOCKING PRONOUNS!!!" -Some crazy girl

[@josefstalin9678]

Pot calling the kettle a racial slur

[@3LANCER]

a rainbow in the sky would probably send them into coma xD

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

Yeah dude getting trigger by trans people and pronouns is going to be a field day for every 14 year old to male fun off lmao

[@Zoroasterisk]

​@@josefstalin9678that's so good😂

[@AnnDVine]

the irony that this man who ranted *against* pronouns is doomed to be remembered as Pronouns Guy

[@TheModdedwarfare3]

Like how stan smith is known as the

[@SeventhGod77]

@@TheModdedwarfare3I forgot about that! Remember that time when he

[@thibaultl1956]

It reminds me of the a guy named Mario who’s remembered for fighting for the right to be forgotten.

[@VanBan_07]

​@@SeventhGod77Yeah, it was pretty wild when he

[@Astropeleki]

Maybe in this corner of the Internet, but for people that follow KZbinrs who don't sound effeminate he was never known like that. If anything, when Act Man tried to make fun of him he ended up making himself look like a snake (whole different drama, but still).

[@cluckendip]

i love how terminally online i am that you can just say "Starfield Pronouns Guy" and i will know exactly who you're talking about

[@timothymclean]

i hate how terminally online i am that you can just say "Starfield Pronouns Guy" and i will know exactly who you're talking about

[@DoseOfRandom137]

i am neutral about how terminally online i am that you can just say "Starfield Pronouns Guy" and i will know exactly who you're talking about

[@SaberSin-mu4kt]

I feel extremely sorry for you.

[@BlazeMakesGames]

I still think that the funniest outcome of the pronouns rant was a mod that "removed" pronouns from the game, but all it really did was remove the choice of pronouns in the character creation system. But then that presents a problem, what pronouns do you assign to the player since the game still has to, ya know, have dialogue based on that choice. And believe it or not there are female bigots too. So what the mod did was default everyone to "They/Them" so that they wouldn't have to pick the pronoun and it wouldn't misgender anyone. So in trying to erase pronouns, they ended up making everyone use nonbinary pronouns. In the end they've become what they hated the most lol

[@sebastianmoore4494]

“STOP CALLING ME THAT! IM A HE/SHE!” “So . . . we’re misgendering you. . . and you DONT like it” “Yea-hey, wait a minute”😂

[@ArDeeMee]

That mod feels like a shitpost. Good. Let the genderfluid utopia commence.

[@Dicearoo]

omfg that's so fucking funny, was it intentionally to fuck with the anti-woke crybabies or did they seriously not get the hypocrisy of making everyone they/them?

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

It show how pathetic and stupid they are

[@Gloomdrake]

@@Dicearooneither. The mod was made sincerely by incompetent crybabies who didn’t understand what removing the toggle would do

[@kalibbailey6219]

Still wish Cyberpunk 2077 let me set my genetalia to a USBC cable/port

[@TemplarWarden]

Input/Output

[@williamcat3159]

RS232 interface lead

[@saturniidspectre]

Mantis blades in the arms, projectile launch system in the crotch.

[@Zoroasterisk]

The true SCSI drive...

[@secutorprimus]

GENDER IS IRRELEVANT, *MEATBAG*, I HAVE REPLACED MY GENITALIA WITH A NEUTRON LASER!

[@ThatWolfArrow]

The rant was never about "Starfield bad" it was always "Pronouns bad", "Gender ambiguity bad", "Woke Bad". The fact that Starfield was a mediocre product doesn't change that.

[@amagicallaura]

yeah baulder's gate 3 lets you create nb or trans characters but it doesn't get brought up like starfield does, because it was widely considered a very good game. 'wokeness' is used as an example of why a game is bad if the game is bad or mid & swept under the rug if the game is good. as most games are 'woke' by antiwoke standards, ofc most woke games are bad or mid (most games are bad or mid) it reminds me of everyone freaking out about the ghostbusters film with women instead of men. it was always alleged to be bad bc it had women instead of men, but the exact same film with men would also have been really bad...

[@DODIRTT]

I've always held the opinion that it's a lot easier to get away with these type of critiques with negatively received media vs. positively received media. Even if you don't Necessarily agree with some of the anti woke points. It's alot easier to watch the video because you either have a bad experience or you know multiple different yourubers are coming out with negative reviews. So you kinda ignore it at first. I remember I would watch some of synthetic man's videos I never really noticed his political takes. Untill his far cry 6 review. He kept making points about the anti-American narratives being pushed by the characters and npcs. It was dumb because in game it's set in a country that's based off of Cuba. A place where even anti Castro guerillas typically are very anti America. Then I saw some of the videos afterwards and it became clear what he actually believed. I just thought he was another game reviewer/ game retrospective KZbinr. Even looking back he had piss poor critiques of the games he would talk about. His last of us 2 review he literally admitted to not even playing the game. He watched a video that played all the games Cutscenes.

[@mattc7420]

You just explained every grifter ever

[@AD-dg3zz]

​@@amagicallauraThe wokeness paradox. A piece of media is only deemed woke if it isn't very good. But if it isn't very good, it's because it was woke.

[@secutorprimus]

@@amagicallaura Cyberpunk is another great example of a game having every component aspect to make it "woke" in their eyes, but because it's now beloved, they can't touch it. What's even better is that, in the early life of Cyberpunk, we *did* see a similar Anti-Woke brigade attack it (due to its abysmal release quality). However, in the game's resurgence, those criticisms stayed dead. Because the game had its bugs fixed, despite all the "woke" stuff remaining as it was. Revealing that those criticisms were arbitrary, and that all of them can just be dismissed without further thought.

[@Piterdeveirs333]

You gotta warn a person when there is gonna be a shadiversity jump scare

[@cephalonGideon]

i swear i had forgotten that guy's name again before this vid. can't wait until i forget who he is again.

[@b.p.emma.]

he and his ai are such good artists 🤡

[@jellifygirl]

my introduction to this guy was him yapping about AI and my impression was "well he kind of doesn't get it but at least he seems to hold art and creativity to heart". like when your little brother makes a shitty sandcastle but then he says "it's for you" with total honesty. little did I fucking know...

[@Izlude84]

I nearly shad myself!

[@iwasacat4717]

Holy moly don quixote from limbus company??

[@nkosig4995]

its crazy like the game isnt even liberal it feels almost pro capitalist half the time your not even allowed to kill rich people

[@PillarofGarbage]

Right? this is part of what I was getting at by saying in the conclusion that anti-woke stuff mostly operates as an aesthetic rather than as a discourse - the _actual_ politics of the game don’t matter one jot so long as it makes for an effective punching-bag-slash-bogeyman

[@arbitarious]

@@nkosig4995 😭😭😭 I’m not playing it anymore

[@TheBasedGreeg]

Well I mean liberals are pro-capitalist. They just want “nice capitalism” with an “ethical CEO,” philanthropic billionaires, and slightly more paid vacation time. Leftists are the ones who actually oppose capitalism.

[@KovCapyWizz]

I wouldnt look to deep in to it as its just a sucky game in general.

[@aetranm]

@@arbitarious You can kill one of the richest characters in the game if you join the freestar rangers

[@leightonpetty4817]

At the end of the day, one thing will always remain true: Baldur’s Gate 3 and Starfield came out a month from each other, and both had a “pronoun selector” in character creation.

[@francesmcginn5850]

BG3 also features multiple non-binary characters, a probable Drag Queen character and a canon trans character

[@leviadragon99]

The question is, what if anything does that fact *mean*. If you're like Pronouns Guy, then it's sufficient justification for diaper-filling, if you're the average person, it's more of a "huh, okay then" moment.

[@skyriminspace]

​@@francesmcginn5850is that so?! 😂

[@DragonbIaze052]

Yeah, but Wizards of the Coast is anti-union, steal art, harass people, and got rid of all important queer characters in Magic to appease bigoted fans, so they're given a pass.

[@leviadragon99]

@@DragonbIaze052 I am 100% sure that anti-left grifters neither know nor care about any of those things, because what they know about political, social and economic theory would struggle to fill a thimble.

[@stilltoomanyhats]

The year is 2058. Everyone has pronouns. Humanity is dying. (Because of the pronouns? Yeah sure why not)

[@Dystopikachu]

Everyone dies in bed because they can't even start their days anymore due to too many pronouns before breakfast

[@keithflippers4429]

They didnt get up because thay would mean the woke ​@Dystopikachu

[@n0etic_f0x]

God is dead Pronowns are fuel Hell welcomes you. ~ _Hyperkill_

[@EmyrianMusic]

@@n0etic_f0x Hell welcomes... what is that word?

[@n0etic_f0x]

@@EmyrianMusic Fuel.

[@theycallmejojo6090]

I had to take my headphones off once Professor Oak told me if I was a boy or a girl.

[@lexruptor]

Which is completely stupid, because it's a fictional character in a video game, choose a gender and play the game, instead of throwing a fit because there are genders in the first place. Grow tf up I say.

[@mr.punisher5100]

CURRENT DAY CALIFORNIAN SHIT

[@Stachelbeeerchen]

Pronouns in children media!? 💢😡💢

[@liammcnicholas918]

Pokémon, more like Wokémon 😂

[@mirrortarget5729]

I feel that but for the opposite reason (being nonbinary)

[@felman87]

I'm surprised he hated gender-swapped character. Because It's a classic rule of the internet. Rule 63. "For every fictional character, there exists a gender-swapped counterpart of that character."

[@sarafontanini7051]

hell its a common trope involving clones

[@laughingalex7563]

@@sarafontanini7051 Hardcore transphobes, actual transphobes, are known for brutality actually in reaction to someone they thought wasn't trans and is. Its one reason the trans community is often concerned for its safety, and why even some bad actors are seen as a liability for them. Its true though that, clones being gender-swapped is very, very common, and I was myself reminded of Deus Ex invisible war's protagonist, Alex D, who I think is canonically a gender-swapped JC Denton.

[@Nowolf]

@@laughingalex7563 the 'gay panic'

[@platedlizard]

Right, Marvel created X-23 ages ago lmao

[@CoolManCoolMan123]

​@@platedlizardshe ain't gender swapped. She is very much different from Wolverine. Especially her Evolution version (where she first appeared)

[@AvatarOfAwesome]

Of all the things wrong with Starfield. Pronouns don't even make it into minor problems.

[@Deltaguy447]

Not even sure it falls in the problem catagory with that game.

[@peterd9698]

@@Deltaguy447 I did hear it was a bit odd that pirates would know your correct pronouns when you were just some rando in a spacesuit they were trying to kill 🙂

[@jesss2830]

@@peterd9698 It's especially funny because yes, the pirates shouldn't know your gender pronouns, and would thus use "they" to refer to you, which would no doubt trigger this man into TESIV, but instead Wokethesda made it so that he (Yes, I'm assuming pronoun guy's gender. It would make him proud) could select his godgiven-by-birthright pronouns and avoid the discomfort of ever being mistaken for a whey (a woke they). But instead he threw a hissyfit and became a laughing stock. lol. lmao even.

[@theautisticguitarist7560]

​@@Deltaguy447it actually does, but only because they tied voices to pronouns and FLIPPED THE SHE AND THEY VOICES SO YOU EITHER GET MISGENDERED ALL THE TIME OR YOUR VOICE SOUNDS WEIRD. ITS SO MUCH FUN.

[@brogoyle]

@@jesss2830yeah also shoutouts to (my beloved) elden ring for for calling the male and female options “body types” and not “male and female” not sparking any controversy because the average biggoted gamer can’t even comprehend something being progressive if it isn’t literally using he/him or she/her.

[@NoHiro-qc4dv]

In space no one can hear you scream about pronouns.

[@jellifygirl]

but... that means in space nobody can hear your preferred pronouns... 😞

[@k0lpA]

@@jellifygirl could this be why elon is so into space ? 🤔

[@Castigar48]

That's the cool thing u dont need pronouns in a one on one conversation

[@boxdesu]

unless it's a rightwing safe-space🤣

[@miigi-p4939]

​@@Castigar48huh?

[@adanufgail]

The "Woke Concord" discord is baffling to me. Concord failed because it was a soulless cash grab released 5 years too late into an already saturated and declining marketplace.

[@PillarofGarbage]

but, have you considered: woke

[@OrgaNik_Music]

Is this game failing because you have to pay for it and all the competitors are free? No, must be the woke.

[@Gchildwarrior]

$400 million budget and it was still bad 😂

[@Ceiling559]

​@@Gchildwarriorsay sike rn

[@Gchildwarrior]

@@Ceiling559 ... Nope. A source from the developing team confirmed it with a journalist. Sony first purchased for $200 million It was riddled with issues so they spent an additional $200 million.

[@keithjones5568]

I really appreciate this, I followed Az back in the World of Warcraft days, and I noticed the change happening there. He started getting negative about the game, but rather than quit he just kept playing and kept complaining. He had a video where he coached his mother through playing a bit of the game and it was genuinely this breath of fresh air, I loved it. Then he went full tilt into awful. I quit watching shortly after. And hearing how far he's gone, I'm not surprised. Part of me wonders if he's putting on a show feeding the algorithm what it wants, or if this was always there waiting for a chance to be his worst self.

[@peachy_lili]

Az is my favorite person's favorite streamer, and I do not understand it. this person is a reasonable, smart, left-leaning person who is LGBT and fully 'woke' yet they do not see anything wrong with Az's views or behavior. they're their own person, but it's strange to me. keep waiting for the other shoe to drop.

[@MischievousMischief]

He kinda fits into the "how to radicalize a normie"-pipeline doesn't he?

[@Arenumberg]

Might of been for the best, I'm not sure Az would of survived the switch to body type selection in WoW.

[@mandu6665]

Bit of this, bit of that.

[@koshetz]

I had similar experience with Asmongold

[@RoderickThe13]

I've noticed this for a while now. Media that has any sort of representation can only ever be flawless. If it's anything but a masterpiece, then the conservative channels will try to build this narrative that it failed because of its inclusiveness, therefore removing any nuance from the criticism you could legitimately make about it. It literally makes culture dumber.

[@jtlego1]

Sarah Z has an entire video talking about that. It's called "Sacrificial Trash".

[@ArDeeMee]

@@RoderickThe13 I‘d LOVE to see them attempt this with Baldur‘s Gate 3. It would be HILARIOUS. Edit: spelling. Dang mobile keyboard. =)

[@naomisoltesz9890]

@@ArDeeMee That's the thing, they won't. They never target good media regardless of how progressive it is. They're cowards who believe in nothing.

[@vriskaserket467]

@@ArDeeMee I'm sad to inform you they already have. There are legit guys out there that think BG3 was a flop. Now of course this grift isn't super successful since BG3's success is obvious to anyone with a couple working braincells but it has gotten a few of the more DEEPLY chronically online echochamber types.

[@SpoopySquid]

That or, when they realise said media is so popular that even their followers like it, they twist themselves into pretzels trying to convince themselves that there are no politics or, somehow, actually supports their bigotry. Eg. The way some conservatives claim _Bioshock_ was apolitical, or that _Squid Game_ was really about communism

[@CrowTRobot]

I love that the dudes who crow about free speech and claim minority groups are “too sensitive” are the very same dudes that have screaming tantrums over a non-white, non-straight character or the literal presence of pronouns.

[@Artis_OTS]

It's what always makes me laugh. Like it's not even anything deep yet we have grown ass adults throwing tantrums.

[@anotheronebitesthedust-fs6wr]

It's people like healsvsbabyface that are in the minority remember the Internet is a echo chamber and real life becomes blurred between positive and negative responses when it comes to any topic or conversations or argument

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

"representation doesn't matter" says man who can't play a game if the entire cast isn't white men.

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

They tell minorities that representation doesn't matter and then go off the rails if not everyone looks like them in a piece of media.

[@JediMB]

You know how it is: every conservative accusation is a confession.

[@LAZY-RUBY]

Sometimes I feel bad for these smaller-time yt grifters when I remember there used a human in there. Everyone knows TheQuartering but how many people are aware that his channel is named that because when it first started out, it was all about old quarter operated arcade and carnival games he found interesting, and like; that's a person. That's a person with thoughts and interests and feelings. What is it like to give up a piece of your soul to chase culture war money? How many of these people are genuinely happy with their lives and the idea that this will be their legacy, assuming anyone even remembers them?

[@PillarofGarbage]

this is the thing I think about more & more these days. It’s so strange to feel an unshakeable pity for someone even as they continue to cause more & more harm, even as you work to counter as much of that harm as you can it’s a trip for sure

[@banquetoftheleviathan1404]

I felt bad for the quartering that reviewed claw machines bc that's a cute niche Lil passion but it seems he died long ago, now more bigot than man

[@PhotonBeast]

It's something that's difficult to imagine indeed. Folding Ideas made a point in a mostly unrelated video about how hard it is to sustain anger, much less to do so in front of a camera in a situation where no one is actually there ie your typical YTer setup. And even in normal circumstances, that kind of explosive or unbridled anger is exhausting, draining, and ultimately distracting. It pulls you away from whatever it is your doing so much so that you can't go back. You start to lose out on being present. Maybe they turn around and go off to do other things. Maybe they spend that money on a night out with friends. Distract themselves from the thought that, when they get up in the next morning, they have to get angry again. I dunno. It's like the most hellish form of a Sisphusian task I can think of.

[@jonahblock]

blame steve bannon, the man who orchestrated gamergate to radicalize young men

[@victormirandakoepke8352]

​@@PhotonBeast what video was that again? I could go for another huge Folding Ideas marathon (Line Goes Up and In Search Of A Flat Earth are some of my favourites)

[@EmyrianMusic]

This is essentially the anti-woke cycle, and I love you for painting this picture. They see woke in thing that hasn't been released, assume thing will be bad. Then when thing is bad, they feel unearned vindication. It also ignores that sometimes media *is bad* because it's trying to cater to a diverse audience, but because of the way it does it, and that *if they did it right*, it would actually be woke.

[@cephalonGideon]

without detracting from your point, you can take it further very easily. The fact they can't see this fairly obvious cycle themselves and somehow display confidence really doesn't speak well for the thing they're ostensibly trying to do: basic analysis of anything at all.

[@chelsthegameruiner8669]

The Ghost of Yotei teaser is this happening again. The moment people saw the protagonist was female (go figure, Jin would be dead 300 years later), they immediately declared the game to be woke

[@selectionn]

so you acknowledge that the anti-woke crowd can spot a woke product, realize it will flop, and then be correct, and thats a bad thing??? what a regarded comment.

[@alexknight81]

@@chelsthegameruiner8669 Dont forget about the realism angle, because clearly ghost of tsushima was a very realistic game to start lol

[@AkaneCultist]

@@alexknight81yeah lol it’s definitely *not* like almost every single thing depicted in that game is extremely anachronistic, like the game taking place before the common western conception of samurai even existed or before katanas would have been invented.

[@AgentNero9]

Regardless if people agreed with him or nah Seeing His little baby tantrum he did on camera is still hilariously fucking sad

[@TNEQL]

It's just part of the grift. And he does it because it works.

[@AgentNero9]

​@@TNEQL oh am aware

[@IllisiaAdams]

The silly sausage will *forever* be "The Pronoun Rant Guy" now

[@IllisiaAdams]

​@@TNEQLI bet he made a *fortune* off the views of his breakdown...

[@camharkness]

It is funny when you really think about it. We have multiple wars going on, an economy all around the globe that's messed up, fears of ww3. And people were mad that pronouns were in a space game. Even if it was an act, getting that angry isn't good or healthy.

[@thedude4840]

Heel vs baby faces little tantrums was the moment I stopped taking anything the nerd right had to say seriously. There I was dead tired after working 6 hours grinding metal (with another 6 to go) eating a mediocre sandwich I made. And here comes a grown man yelling screaming and complaining about his inability to escape his reality of sitting at home playing video games. Because of customization text and a sci fi beat that any newb to sci fi literature knows about. Man child implies he’s developed past 10 mentally he’s not made it past 5

[@Jolis_Parsec]

Same here, though in my case, I had been doing my laundry at the local laundromat after a very busy work week while struggling to make my paycheck stretch out until I got paid again, only for this entitled human thumb to be raging about something so utterly stupid and claiming it had such a negative impact on his day. Add to that that FritangaPlays was actually laughing at this goof and saying how cringe it was, and it was an easy decision to never take that crowd seriously again. (To hell with Frit by the way, as he completely sold out for that anti-woke money in the end)

[@peachy_lili]

I feel that. I had just been doom scrolling about literal W A R when his tantrum first hit my feed. on what planet is that not a first world problem, right? disgusted me fully.

[@thedude4840]

@@peachy_lilifirst world problems are incorrect meal delivery, and getting overcharged for coffee. This man had a child’s world problem world problem. My redshirts not the same shade of red, the superhero is a girl now girls are yucky. Just a level of childish and aloofness that can’t be understood.

[@ligma212]

I have to deal with having to survive and working a job I don't want to be at and at the same time worrying about if my healthcare is going to be outlawed as a trans person in the u.s. and the guy has nothing real to worry about or fear.

[@scotthallinan4609]

I've never taken anything those knuckle draggers say seriously.

[@acuyra]

The complaining about the clone is especially funny. I wonder what he'd think of Miranda from Mass Effect.

[@k0lpA]

I mean technically a clone would have the same DNA and so have the same sex and gender no ? Although I doubt that was the issue he had was that it wasn't biologically accurate.. Actually that makes me wonder, are there identical twins who have different sexual orientations or genders ?

[@McSyko2]

@@k0lpA I've heard about conjoined twins who had different orientations

[@seifer447]

​@k0lpA it could be the x-23 explanation. The y chromosome was damaged, so the doubled the x chromosome to make a female clone. Cloning technology might also be not great in Starfield.

[@coolsenjoyer]

​@@k0lpA Regular clone would be basically identical twin to their "parent", so I would imagine an opposite sex clone would be like half a step down from that.. Not exactly identical but still closer genetic relation than any other type of sibling relation

[@LittleMissLounge]

​@@k0lpA "Actually that makes me wonder, are there identical twins who have different sexual orientations or genders?" Yes. There's actually some really interesting scientific literature about different identities between twins. Especially when comparing identical twins, fraternal twins, and non-twin siblings.

[@theparagonal]

Unironically saying "wahmen" should be grounds to revoke your access to the internet.

[@klaibefhuoaiuwehjklbdfsnxnik]

You should also be put on house arrest so noone needs to interact with you.

[@kaelang12]

Protip: if someone refers to a woman the same way a Ferengi would, it's gonna be a bad time

[@Arenumberg]

Lmao, the Ferengi thing is so true. If someone refers to women as "females" and its not in the right contexts (which are limited in the day to day) I'm already out, its such an obvious tell.

[@cattiston374]

Thankfully for me, I only refer women as “Men of Wö” 😎 /s Fucking Disco Elysium rot my brain and this word will forever be on my head when I think of incel chuds lmao

[@ninjalectualx]

No he was ironically unironically ironically serious. You libs wouldn't understand.

[@SemiIocon]

Mfers when they learn a basic feature of their native language: 🤯

[@dubspool]

Man, imagine having professional nouns. I’m more of an amateur nouns person.

[@EmyrianMusic]

Brave of you to assume they learned anything.

[@Temporal94]

It's actually even more funny cause the actual rant trigger was when he (PRONOUNS IN CURRENT YEAR!!1!1!) talked to a clone whose gender was different from the template they were cloned from, as if the concept of opposite-gender clones aren't a sci fi trope from at least the time of Le Guin and Heinlein. Though probably wouldn't be surprising if he wrote off Le Guin for being a woman and Heinlein for being a wokey (for living in "Commiefornia").

[@TapOnX]

@@Temporal94 They tend to give Heinlein a pass, instead focusing on his more fashy views.

[@garrett2439]

@@Temporal94 I'm pretty sure Le Gui being an outspoken anarchist counts as "woke" too.

[@JamesCorp]

I love his vein on his head getting redder as he rants

[@TheEvilCheesecake]

people say the same about you lol.

[@PauLtus_B]

@TheEvilCheesecake No u

[@OrgaNik_Music]

@@TheEvilCheesecake that doesn't even make any sense

[@scarababbeo9733]

​@@TheEvilCheesecakethat's such a middle schooler thing to say

[@StillABigKid]

That's not a vein, it's the brain worm trying to escape

[@waywardlaser]

I mean I definitely enjoyed the game a lot less than I wanted to but his little tantrum over FUCKING PRONOUNS is still hilarious

[@engiecat705]

starfield: woman admits being a clone of a man: woke cringe, bethesda is losing it. morrowind 2 decades earlier: a 1000 years old wizard creates 4 female clones of himself who he calls his daughter-wives: peak bethesda rpg goodness.

[@PillarofGarbage]

wokeness is a telvanni plot

[@007kingifrit]

the difference is back then we didn't have the religion of gender studies to contest with. they were not politically activist goals behind it. but there are now.

[@PillarofGarbage]

@@007kingifrit Holy shit go outside

[@007kingifrit]

@@PillarofGarbage funny, coming from someone who has a youtube channel and does this all day. i only take a few seconds to write each comment, you spend far more time here than me.

[@Johnspartan296]

​@@007kingifrit"tHe ReLiGiOn Of GeNdEr StUdIeS" Bro you need to go outside more often

[@Wipomatic]

The funny thing is in a few weeks idiots are going to find this video, watch less than five minutes of it and then make similar "AZ was right hurr durr" comments without realizing they're doing exactly what you're talking about here.

[@ToyotaCorolla-en2mv]

Short answer: no. Long answer : no but with extra Os

[@ArDeeMee]

Thanks for the tl;dr! 😂

[@coobk]

insert the scene from hot fuzz with angel asking wether he can refuse getting transferred

[@sarafontanini7051]

long answer: no but he wants to fool you into thinking he was by making you think his arguement is related to something completely different from HIS arguement

[@vxicepickxv]

I see it more as a yes, but than a no. Yes, he ranted that you could select pronouns, but he didn't say the entire game was bad at that time.

[@JUnit41484]

Its honestly insane to me that anyone could agree with that moron, but also warch this channel?

[@dangerliesbeforeyou]

it is honestly kinda sad seeing how much people like this guy become almost parodies of themselves just in order to remain relevant rather than actually doing stuff that they're passionate about... and ofc if they give up the grift then it means admitting that it WAS just a grift that they can no longer sustain, it's like a vicious cycle in a way lol... anyway a brilliantly concise and well put together video as usual!!!

[@jtlego1]

Dead Domain kinda touched upon this idea in their Synthetic Man video, once an internet personality/content creator pivots to that sort of tone for their material, they *can't stop* otherwise they lose out on that sweet sweet grifter money and connections. Its basically just a self-perpetuating loop of negativity and fans who want *more* of that negativity until the content creator is a borderline cartoon of an individual that wouldn't look or have opinions out of place in a Simpsons Comic Book Guy scene.

[@dangerliesbeforeyou]

@@jtlego1 100% agree!!!

[@SpoopySquid]

And even if they decided they didn't care about the money, who would want to be associated with them afterwards? Grifting is all they really have, there is no Plan B

[@Shilobotomized]

We are to the point where people are crying online about Monster Hunter Wilds having non-gender-locked armor, and the fact that the character creator has "body types" instead of male/female. It's not gonna stop them from getting the game, because it's a non-issue. Pick "masculine", wear the "male" armor, boom. You're having fun again. but hey, if it DOES end up getting them out of the community, then good riddance.

[@johnskelington]

Every game could look like Jak 2 and these people wouldn't be happy. They have unchecked depression and they're making it everyone else's problem.

[@provaricus627]

If anything this is the superior way to do it because women in heavy, bulky armor is sexier than the typical bikini armor.

[@chelsthegameruiner8669]

Bro, I love the removal of gender-locked armor. I saw the armor worn in the early trailers and both the jacket (female version) and trenchcoat (male version) look awesome, but the trenchcoat version will definitely be my go to for layered armor

[@miniature030]

​@@chelsthegameruiner8669 gender locked armor is so stupid... like these mfs haven't fantasized about a tall knight in shining armour saving them only for the knight to pull the helmet off and reveal a beautiful, rugged woman... As if 🙄

[@lefishe5845]

The simplest option of just allowing any cosmetic change regardless and not even asking about a gendered option.

[@cedaremberr]

As a trans person who came out as genderqueer almost 20 years ago, I find it funny when people call any reference to people like me "current day." It's also fucking hilarious that he calls any reference to people like me "boring." Cuz nothing says fun and exciting like only having access to straight and cis player characters. When in the world has limiting options been seen as more exciting?

[@coobk]

if it werent for shit in berlin germany 80 years ago...

[@provaricus627]

Some people just prefer vanilla.

[@Hello-lf1xs]

@@provaricus627ok… but also ‘preferring vanilla’ doesn’t mean locking away other flavors?

[@clintriggen3554]

@@provaricus627 While that is true, it would be really weird to start screaming and ranting that there should only be vanilla because other flavors where available to people who wanted different flavors that they liked.

[@ThyFloorestFloor]

​@@provaricus627Imagine going to an ice cream store that only serves vanilla because some frequent clients only like vanilla. In catering to those clients, they take away the flavors from anyone else who has no choice but to either leave or sit down to eat an ice cream that may not be bad, but lacks the flavor they were looking for. I like playing games with characters who look like me, and since I'm a white dude, I never have issues finding stuff that caters to that taste, but it should not be an excuse to have less options because many people look differently from what I do, and they should have as many options.

[@josefstalin9678]

*Concord* : releases with mediocre gameplay, bland forgettable character designs, bland forgettable story to back up those character designs, charges you full price when its competitors are free, comes out years after its biggest competitor, insults its target audience *Anti-woke mob* : It failed because it has an overweight non-binary POC character!!!

[@ArDeeMee]

No, it’s because the ROBOT has PRONOUNS. Or somesuch.

[@josefstalin9678]

@@ArDeeMee I still remember when people complained about borderlands 3 being woke because the robot went by they instead of he or she. Some people are so out of touch that it genuinely stuns me

[@diestormlie]

@@josefstalin9678 Should they have put a dick on the robot or?

[@johnterpack3940]

Literally nobody cited that as the main problem. Everybody complained about the character design, gameplay, and pricing. It was the devs who insisted that critics were just bigots.

[@josefstalin9678]

@@johnterpack3940 Idk about you but I've seen a lot of people saying concord would've been a lot better if it wasn't so "woke", many just repeating the phrase "go woke go broke" over and over again. I'm sure that most people cared more about the real issues, but don't pretend that the anti-woke mob isn't a thing that exists. 100% this game would've made it onto the steam list of "woke games" as "not recommended" even if it was the greatest hero shooter ever made and was completely free to play. The evidence isn't hard to find

[@acecashman1237]

It's like cueball never heard of X-23, Wolverine's FEMALE clone, who also debuted in fucking 2003 😂. Wait til he finds out Superboy is comprised of 2 MEN, meaning he's got 2 dads 💀

[@RawrX32009]

Wait till bro sees any Japanese fighting game from the last 30 years 😭

[@acecashman1237]

@@RawrX32009 homie would probably become a monk at that point 😂. He probably watches a good amount of anime and hasn't noticed the trans characters that are out and about in them 💀

[@acecashman1237]

@@RawrX32009 oh I also forgot the fact that she's also Mexican as well, so a gender AND race swapped clone at that 💀

[@RawrX32009]

@@acecashman1237 Fr Wait till bro plays Celeste 💀😭

[@RawrX32009]

@@acecashman1237 Superboy was also dating another boi last time I checked

[@sjstronghold9238]

This revisionism is a continuation for "Get woke Go broke", now it's "woke is bad, bad is woke" Starfield is mediocre and kind of a flop because it's woke, Baldur's gate 3 is successful and good because it's not as woke. Even though out of the 2 BG3 goes way further.

[@fargrave6019]

@@DA7274 So what does the B stand for in lgbt?

[@DA7274]

@@fargrave6019 my guy I’m pointing out lazy shitty representation and you’re over here defending it. Forced messaging like the last of us 2 is bad, lazy implementation as in BG3 is bad, why is pointing those things out and asking for quality lgbt representation a bad thing? You just went “well actually you’re technically wrong” as if you actually believe it’s good to just make every character a slut to implement quality representation lgbt people. Wtf is wrong with you? Where are your standards?

[@SpoopySquid]

​@@fargrave6019bazinga

[@darthvaderreviews6926]

@@DA7274 Starfield and TLOU2 are very far from "always set in June" lmao. TLOU2's Pride stuff is IIRC only in one small part of the game. I will admit it was mostly put there for the developer's own satisfaction (dev service, if you will), but that's the same reasoning that has created a bajillion other features in videogames. I'd argue that the giraffes in the first game are more of a logical in universe leap to exist than one publically LGBT supporting store with a rainbow painted crosswalk in 2013. Also, wait, why are we even talking about TLOU2? And Starfield is so oddly prudish it _has_ poledancing strippers, but clads them head to toe in modern art bodysuits without skin showing. They'll toy with sci fi gender concepts _in passing_ like mentioning people can get EZ sex changes in the future, but it's no more interested in this stuff than the average comic book is. _(and honestly, I don't think it has to be)_ Feelings on playersexuality varies, but personally I am in favour of it being used sometimes. While it shuts down some opportunities for representation, it better guarentees the experience people want out of the game. _(as opposed to say Cyberpunk 2077, which has only 4 real options split equally between gender/sexuality, so if you are playing a straight woman for example, it's River or nobody)_ While I think more games should try characters with explicit sexualities, there is absolutely a place for playersexual casts. Worth noting that BG3 does tackle polyamory more realistically, with some characters being cool with it and others insisting on monogamy. And the playersexuality doesn't negate the fact that BG3 is a _very_ sexual game that will remind you of that fact even if you aren't actively seeking it out. BG3 is the one among these that gives the biggest Pride parade vibes, and yet sidestepped most anti woke controversy, because anti woke content creators don't go after unambiguously great products, they go after low hanging fruit and blame wokeness, real or imagined, as the cause of poor quality. It's artificially created the impression BG3 was somehow restrained in wokeness compared to Starfield, which is just laughable

[@chaserseven2886]

@@darthvaderreviews6926 ??? my brother in christ those aren't strippers wtf are you on?

[@DoctorBiobrain]

Roghtwingers: When liberals are angry it proves they’re irrational and wrong. Also Righties: My anger proves that I’m rational and right.

[@keemstarkreamstar7069]

Left-wingers: set up a website to dox people who play Hogwarts Legacy but cannot name a single specific thing JK Rowling said they dislike. Also mass harass various streamers for simply playing the game. Wish right wingers were a lot more ruthless at this friend-enemy distinction thing. Can’t even hold a candle to you. The repayment will come eventually, though.

[@Raketoer]

@@keemstarkreamstar7069 don't waste your time with these cretins, the whole "rightwingers vs leftwingers" is a dead giveaway of how vapid this one is. You could spend an entire day tryina prove it (prove either "side" how they are wrong or in an echochamber etc with proper evidence) and they wont budge, hopefully it does come to an end or atleast people can have a convo and disagree without it becoming this nonesense of strawmen vs strawmen, its madness.

[@ligma212]

​@@Raketoertriggered?

[@Bonaboo]

@@Raketoerok rightie

[@stonesoupstudio2348]

​@@Raketoer ok, but one side is actually more right (however many angry grifter on the Internet like to suggest otherwise) and ironically, it's not the side that's uses the designation of being on the Right. Sure, nobody's right about everything but whoever is is, it's not the guy's losing their minds over the idea that people can opt for a more flexible sense of identity outside their rigid and hateful little boxes. I'm guessing you take great pride in being a centrist, or you're just running cover for the prejudiced people. Neither of them are a good look...

[@bestjobro539]

Honestly man in a time where every single youtuber ignores his audience or gets super defensive over random stuff, its so nice seeing how you didn't put the whole rant just because of some comments ❤

[@swampselkie]

I mean, Pronouns Guy's 'current-day' comment (and its implied suggestion that trans, NB, and GNC concerns only started existing recently) was already a poor attempt at historical revisionism. If nothing else, he's consistent in his inconsistency.

[@Jolis_Parsec]

BioWare did this in 2007 with Liara in Mass Effect, and if it hadn’t been cut due to higher ups worrying that the public wasn’t ready for it yet, you would have been able to romance Kaiden as a male Shepard and Ashley as a female Shepard as well.

[@sacrificiallamb4568]

@@Jolis_Parsec The Sims had been out for years at that point, get over yourselves, 2007 BioWare higher ups.

[@leonrussell9607]

But it's only in the "current day" that we aren't all ridiculing them and locking them in asylums, we've let them dictate to us that they deserve to exist for some reason

[@dillydraws]

@@Jolis_Parsec Still pisses me off that they cut the femshep romance with Miranda as a lesbian who found her hot. (Restored it though with mods since I'm a true gamer)

[@Jolis_Parsec]

@@dillydraws Don’t feel bad. They apparently also did the same to Jack since she says during one of the conversations Shep can have with her that she doesn’t have an issue with same sex relationships and even alludes to it when talking about her past, yet FemShep can’t take her up on that for seemingly no reason. We also didn’t get Jacob x male Shepard, as one of the BioWare developers was interviewed years later and said that they had originally envisioned a Broke Back Mountain esque romance for Jacob and male Shep.

[@nyaccoon]

As a trans woman i hate that i often have to defend bad games' choice to have pronouns and transgender character, because yes i hate this game but it is unreasonable to hate it for the pronouns and stuff

[@fallout921]

Damn same. It's crazy how you can be thinking about art direction, sound design, and all the other stuff that really goes into making the game good, bad, or mid and they'll just go "look! A single meaningless world building element! That's why it sucks!"

[@Castigar48]

But yeah no DEI isn't ruining games or anything

[@armind4555]

If you have to do it often...It's not direct causation by the pronouns let's be real but there's enough correlation and consistency for people to go "F that, bad omen, lemme refund the game real quick"

[@fallout921]

@@armind4555 I don't think there's that much correlation. If someone sees a pronoun toggle and refunds, that says a lot more about them than the state of the games industry

[@armind4555]

​@@fallout921 A decent amount of people do see a pattern of "mid to bad game checking boxes for investment money, hopes of catering to some audiences and or controversy to get five minutes of fame". Of course moaning about it on the internet like that guy did is stupid, we can agree on that. If you take issue with a corpo product just give it the Concord treatment

[@JayTea345]

I still don't understand what he meant when he was screaming "FUCKING CURRENT DAY".

[@custardstuff5178]

He thinks that trans people existing is a temporary fad and therefore pronouns won't be a "problem" in future, so this is a temporary "current day" issue.

[@0The_Farlander0]

​@@custardstuff5178 ironically he's probably correct for that reason only. It won't matter in the future. It matters a lot to him right now, but eventually him and everyone like him will pass from this world unmourned, and the rest of us will be able to play our videogames (and do everything else) without some asshole screaming about why we should care what someone calls themselves or if that's "real" or "scientific" not. I don't know if I'll live to see that day, but I know it will happen eventually. There's less bigots every day, no matter how desperately they try to convince us that it's the opposite.

[@communistcomputergod6449]

Californian shit, what else.

[@PillarofGarbage]

Adding to what’s been said here already, it bears noting that a lot the alt-right/anti-woke narratives people like Az & their viewers are working with descend from the (fascistic) myth of a (racially & sexually) pure ‘golden age’ in living memory that’s been destroyed by leftist ideas and ‘degenerate’ gender/sexual norms. This isn’t a framework that the online right ever really explicitly argues for (outside of the really whacko spaces) but it’s there in the negative space behind a lot of their content. This is a part of why ‘current day’ = supposedly corrosive queering of gender norms / binaries, etc.

[@banquetoftheleviathan1404]

Or the equally ironic "why you playing a current game then?"

[@BumroyV2]

Y'know, Jessie Gender did a video on how Starfield doesn't really engage with gender in the way a lot of prior sci-fi had. In that respect, AZ kind of picked up that Bethesda's LGBT inclusion is kind of token and there to curry favor rather than explore anything. That being said, it is absurd how upset he got over it. Sci-fi tends to play with things like gender all the damn time. Not even obscure or esoteric sci-fi - Star Trek had an agendered species in the 90s, complete with a discussion of pronouns. Grow up, bud. Fiction is about exploring ideas, not reinforcing your existing prejudices. Even if Starfield did it badly, just say that.

[@Robbay363]

You're giving him way too much credit. Are we really pretending he wouldn't have gotten super mad over a detailed exploration of gender? He wasn't mad that it was shallow, he was mad that it was included at all. Hence "modern day california shit".

[@BumroyV2]

I don't know. Mass Effect introduced an agendered alien species and discussed gender in at least some capacity back in 2007. I don’t think think he'd have the same reaction to it, either because of his nostalgia for the imagined good old days before identity politics or because it's not as overt.

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

@@BumroyV2 It's because games like Mass Effect, Bioshock, Metal Gear Final Fantasy 7 came out before these people were this heavily organized. They were too young to understand the themes and now they pretend they weren't political at all. Also he didn't pick up on anything, he had an allergic reaction to the concept of pronouns. Comparing this to Jessie's analysis is giving him waaaaay too much credit.

[@erdood3235]

​@@BumroyV2 "overt" 👎🖕.

[@retro2103]

I don't even think it's to "curry favor" as it is to just them being at the baseline of inclusivity Sure they're not doing anything interesting with gender as a theme, but they're also not doing anything interesting with ANY theme in Starfield. It's a cozy game of familiar tropes where all the contentious political and social debates of our present day fade in the background so you can be the hero in a universe that doesn't ask too much of you. Fast food in gaming form. Not a terrible experience, but not substantive, deliberately so.

[@aeolianthecomposer]

Wait until he learns about verbs, nouns, adverbs, etc

[@MoMo-ke1iq]

I hope it renders him dumb forever

[@Strange9952]

Wait until you learn about preferred verbs, adjectives Wait, it doesn't exist Strange

[@AnthonyPompa]

It’s not about the use of pronouns. It’s about the forced use of them in weird places.

[@AsteroSloth]

@@AnthonyPompa Starfield really is a weird place, but nothing about it is forced on you. It does have a default setting

[@AnthonyPompa]

@@AsteroSloth True, which is why it was definitely a funny overreaction on his part lol.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

The start of Aliens gives information on the crew of the Nostromo and Lambert's documents says that she's trans. Now imagine that guys reaction to the start of Aliens because of that. With starfield the pronouns bit qt that part was as in depth as that. I think that highlights how brainrotted he is by manufactured culture wars, that just the mention of Prounouns sets him off.

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

Not to mention how the movie is about a company sacrificing workers for profit. But all these people remember is "scary alien go brr". Zero media literacy

[@jonahblock]

@@HotDogTimeMachine385 you can blame the rest of the aliens franchise for that. it's alot like how people miss that the first rambo was an anti war movie about the dangers of ptsd

[@arbitarious]

@@Alex-cw3rz wait fr? The original aliens movie?

[@Alex-cw3rz]

@@HotDogTimeMachine385 and a women saves the day and beats the big alien more than the Marines did

[@Alex-cw3rz]

@@arbitarious yeah right at the start

[@LiableFilm]

Clones being different sexes from their cloned is so common, for example, Jessica Drew (Spider-Woman) is a character created in 1977 as a CLONE of PETER PARKER (who is Male by the way if you didn't know)

[@WoodsAreBeautiful]

Well technically thats only ultimate spider-man, a series started in 2000. Original jessica drew was an unrelated character completely. Ultimate jessica drew is basically ben reilly with tits and an existing characters name.

[@TemplarWarden]

Well, that was a little depressing. I appreciate you do these videos and provide a counterpoint. I hope they reach the people who will listen.

[@Goremocker]

Looking at the comments, I don't think many are. I wonder if that's just a feature of this job. The more people see you, the less they hear you. It all becomes the quickest path to reaction. So, while there's a lot to say about the degradation of online discourse into pure reactionary tendencies, I can't imagine the audience that would care.

[@camharkness]

Everyone: dont put the woke stuff in old games, make new games and put it there! Bethesda: does that those same people: NOOOOOOO YOU CANT PUT PRONOUNS IN MY SPACE GAME NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

Antiwokers: "I grew up with games like Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy 7 and Bioshock that I was too young to understand were heavily political so now I can pretend they weren't."

[@dillydraws]

@@golem4617 I have. They tried to gta 4 was anti woke when in the game you beat up people for your gay friend.

[@jackthorndyke3390]

@@golem4617 yeah, me neither. I don't think that crowd would ever accept games other than pure white male macho whateverthefuck.

[@iwiffitthitotonacc4673]

​@@golem4617 A variation of this argument did exist - "don't demand that games cater to you, make your own games" which was popular a decade ago. I think OP might've misremembered or is using an example that I am unaware of, but the variation I just mentioned did exist, I know because I was there.

[@iwiffitthitotonacc4673]

@@golem4617 It was over a decade ago and it was pretty much the entire "anti-SJW" crowd, which was their moniker at the time. And it is indeed weird, we think it's weird too - we're actually making our own games and now they're mad about that as well, which just proves to us that the problem wasn't our demands at the time, it was always our existence.

[@Fyoshbowl]

Thinking back on it now, calling adding queer diversity "current-day"-ing in a game about the future implies they believe a future without queer people is an absolute certainty rather than a desperate fantasy

[@coobk]

or you can read it positively, that people got over that shit and its an actual non issue because the bigotry no longer exists... its as much a pipe dream sadly...

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Not what current day means, though. It's an old reference to a Trudeau speech. It will always be the current day, it's not about the future. Because it will be the current day then too.

[@Fyoshbowl]

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD I don't see what that means in application to being "done to us" I guess? I mean the speech clip is just kinda saying "we will always be in the present, and even the future will be the present when we get there" which is kind of a nothing sentence tbh. Even though it's referencing an older speech though, I still think my point stands that many who hate queer people believe a future where we don't exist is destined to be true

[@Biscotum]

I mean, yeah. Conservative bigots (needless repetition, but you get the idea) seem to overwhelmingly believe that The Big Gay is a fad that will disappear once everyone comes to their senses, and the more normalized it gets the more upset they become because they don't want it to exist *at all.* There is no compromise, there is only their way.

[@UncomfortableShoes]

Well sadly, the more extreme of them, would absolutely ensure a future without all the people they don’t like if they could.

[@nemobushstatue5111]

I was not expecting Pillar of Garbage to go into this man’s tragic back story during the course of the video.

[@godricktheminecrafted3113]

pronouns guy didn't hate starfield because it was a dogshit game, he hated it because it had the "audacity" to include minorities

[@007kingifrit]

but it included fake minorities born from a violent religion known as genderism. being trans isn't real.

[@sarafontanini7051]

rather, the AUDACITY to make him think about gender for a second

[@007kingifrit]

@@sarafontanini7051 well yea, gender is a pseudoscience, it isn't real and we should not be indulging such nonsense.

[@JUnit41484]

​@@sarafontanini7051 literally. One second. These people are so fragile.

[@WrangleMcDangle]

lmao "minorities" listen to yourself

[@screamingphoenix8113]

Imagine unironically believing that Concord would have been successful if every character was a white male.

[@figo5862]

If so, I think these people would gaslight eachother into believing concord is a masterpiece because its fighting the woke mafia or something and the game would have had some more people, not enough to save it but more people

[@Dash123456789Brawl]

In spite of milking it for all it’s worth, I hope the pronouns guy secretly utterly despises fact that a sizeable number of people know him only by that moniker.

[@emmanandoca8591]

I think Jessie Gender has a really good analysis of Starfield that came out relatively close to the release. She does a very good job looking at the games handle on gender and sexuality and the emptiness of the experience as a whole from the perspective of a trans femme person. Definitely recommend checking it out

[@IllisiaAdams]

Thanks for the tip! I'm Subbed to her, but I missed that one.

[@chaserseven2886]

I don’t. she’s a wokescold who said one of the devs was a conservative without any evidence also the focus of this game wasn’t “gender” or “smexuity” so not sure how that is relevant it’s a terrible video

[@AgentNero9]

​@@chaserseven2886 i wouldn't say starfields a gender or sexuality type of game but it still has elements of that in the game that she criticised which is probably what the comment your replying meant

[@chaserseven2886]

@@AgentNero9 ??? nah i doubt any left leaning person would mean it that way

[@AgentNero9]

@@chaserseven2886 ...I mean the comment your under basically states "she goes over the games handle of gender and sexuality AND the emptiness of the experience" impling she criticised more than just the little pronouns option in the game Especially when you take into consideration her video length being decently big So why would she take the time to ONLY criticise one aspect of a game you said was even the main theme

[@Cyynapse]

its so funny because if he hadnt gotten so offended by pronouns, he probably would have loved starfield. i have never seen a more conservative, status quo vision of the future

[@TheLongestTake]

Freedom of speech.......unless it involves pronouns or lgbt characters

[@GrahamChapman]

"When Republicans talk about valuing 'freedom,' they’re speaking of it in the sense that only people like them should ultimately possess it." -- Ethan Grey, The Message of the Republican Party (highly recommended 5 minute read).

[@007kingifrit]

problem with pronouns is they inherently violate the rights of others

[@clintriggen3554]

@@007kingifrit You dropped this 🧠

[@007kingifrit]

@@clintriggen3554 what a childish comment , you prove that the genderist movement is purely for the children.

[@kagutsuchi969]

@TheLongestTake Strangely it’s only a matter of free speech to be able to say slurs without consequence. Literal book bans targeting queer and minority authors: silence from the “give me free speech or give me death” crowd.

[@liquidmark5081]

There are issues with starfield. Having pronouns isn’t one of them. The guy was being a gigantic baby.

[@RequiemNocturne1]

" And he was right! " - Some guy so caught up in the culture war that he'd be making RPGs worse over his own prejudice. I just don't get how people can be so lost that they'd want to make role playing worse by taking away customization options.

[@comyuse9103]

i have noticed two trends; tourists that want to find a new place to spread their hate, republicans at least are known to do that shit. the other and more interesting is they are stupid. uh, in a different way than you might be thinking (although stupid in that way too)! they are too stupid to have real criticism even when a piece of art is objectively bad in numerous ways. they see generic world building they cry woke, they see inauthentic writing they cry woke, sometimes they even cry woke at bad gameplay! these people are more often the base rather than the talking heads, genuinely stupid people that don't have the mental capacity to understand the world around them, let alone art.

[@sunnywaffles]

That's not what that is

[@munkeefinkelbeen5395]

Because those options are s**t, duh! (It's sarcasm, don't hurt me) 😛

[@erdood3235]

​@@sunnywaffleswhat do you mean?

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

These people will the most boring role player as they just put six pack versions of themselves

[@bendybruce]

Every time I hear that rant I'm half expecting him to collapse with an aneurysm.

[@leafcatcher1715]

His other complaint was ostensibly about the clone being female. Do you suppose he complained about Mass Effect’s Miranda? She was a clone made from her father.

[@btarczy5067]

What is going on? Why does this game set in the future have all this current day shit in it? Land owners? WAGES?! I just wanted to have some escapist fun and the people in this game world have to earn money to sustain themselves. Freakin WAAAGES!

[@SikGamer70]

Star trek fans be like:

[@TimedRevolver]

I will never not laugh at HeelvsBabyface hard-boiling his egghead in impotent rage.

[@Cointelpronoun]

He is absurdly wrong about pronouns and is a reactionary bigot but starfield is mediocre for unrelated reasons.

[@OrgaNik_Music]

Yeah, the game has plenty of issues, but a pronoun menu you can completely ignore isn't one of them.

[@SpicyAtreides]

My favorite part of this is he’s forever known as “Starfield pronoun guy”

[@cedaremberr]

"what's going on here?" Ask any trans woman who has been hit on by a straight cis man before he discovered she was trans. Its the exact same trans panic dynamic. He was into the game until he discovered it had transness in it, and suddenly he's having a meltdown. He felt betrayed and humiliated. Because his masculinity is toxic and fragile.

[@lich109]

It's not even "transness", especially when you consider how humans form where everyone starts female, and only gain male traits later in development. It should be easy for a society with the ability to make human clones, to also be able to alter them.

[@sarafontanini7051]

hell he had the exact same reaction when he was told a woman he had found attractive in a movie was trans

[@laughingalex7563]

Kind of why its extremely important though that trans individuals be upfront 'immedietly' about it with others, otherwise, the backlash is extreme and has been documented to even lead to violence if they were dating someone or even befriending individuals who really hate them. Extremely bigoted/transphobic individuals backlashes are known for the brutality behind them. I honestly didn't care about vae victus' clone having had a sex change(or was just altered during development ect, aka deus ex IW Alex D), ironicly she seemed more daughter-ish than clone to the man. By the time I finished the UC Vanguard terrormorph storyline I nearly forgot the detail entirely. At most, I was annoyed, as at best it wasn't even necessary, the story holds its own with/without the detail.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

​@@laughingalex7563 is it bigotry if it's a woman reacting that way? Because it seems men have to just deal with it, but we won't talk about how a lesbian woman would be guilted into a situation she wouldn't be comfortable with.

[@kagutsuchi969]

@laughingalex7563 Take a moment to actually consider the philosophy behind your suggestion. Your solution to this is to tell queer people that it’s their obligation to tell random strangers about their sexuality or genitals as a handshake conversation. To make the bigots comfortable, the victimized have to cater to their oppressors sensibilities. Would you want to live like that? Do you think it’s fair to ask people to live like that?

[@Booba311]

Thank you, pronouns guy, for showing how obviously embarrassing transphobia is.

[@aersla1731]

Am I the only one that finds this ironic. The grift started as an anti sjw crowd, to try and combat the outrage sjw crowd or what they refer to know as "woke". In the process they have become the outrage crowd they criticized so much.

[@OrgaNik_Music]

I find it more depressing, because it keeps happening over and over again

[@aersla1731]

@@OrgaNik_Music Sad sure, depressing? It's a bit of a stretch, I feel no sympathy for these grifters. Grown men crying about things in media.

[@Bonaboo]

@@OrgaNik_Musicif it helps, I think the reason they keep getting louder and angrier is because they know they’re losing and their time is running out. Same reason republican politicians are acting out.

[@leviadragon99]

Every Conservative Accusation Is A Self Report. nihil novi sub sole.

[@provaricus627]

It’s just a battle of brainrot. Best to keep a distance and enjoy the show.

[@pastlesandfish]

Pronouns are used every day and in practically every context. How do these people cope? They must be gibbering, trembling balls of rage 24/7.

[@cameronorr667]

This is an awesome video and I love your content but the phrase "rawdogged the museum" will haunt me for eternity

[@page8301]

Funny enough, there is a lot you can criticise Starfield for yet these people cannot get past "mimimi pronouns mimimi".

[@PaddeeBA]

1:22 “Ahead of the time” these people really live in their own fantasy world

[@erikscottdebie7665]

“Was the raving bigot right?” No, no he was not. Just as bigots are never right, lol.

[@007kingifrit]

the phrase bigots are never right is a very uncomfortable and poorly thought out thing to say, bigotry means the unwillingness to listen to others. but i doubt you're always open minded to every concept.

[@TheRedHaze3]

That's an unbelievably stupid and narrow-minded thing to say. Hitler was against animal cruelty and made it illegal, but I guess since he was a bigot, animal cruelty is actually based.

[@Biscotum]

@@TheRedHaze3 Perhaps a better phrasing is "bigots are never right about the things they're bigoted about." A bigot can absolutely have some good points on, say, organizational strategy or programming or a good way to frame something out. But if they were correct in their bigotry, well... they wouldn't be bigots.

[@cosmicspacething3474]

Something about a broken clock…

[@007kingifrit]

@@Biscotum you can be a bigot about anything, and you can still be right bigot just means one who refuses to hear the ideas of others.

[@StupidEdits]

What kind of sucks is that, due to genetics, all clones are female, and forming a story around that is a great concept for a story. But I never knew about it before this video.

[@TNEQL]

What is there to really say about Heelvsbabyface, even? He's just a loud, annoying grifter.

[@wh4teley]

I bet he has some nuanced opinions on the presence of non-white people in the UK.

[@007kingifrit]

like islam is fundamentally dangerous and its presence cannot be resolved with liberal values because it has irreconcilable differences between them and us? yea.....

[@liammcnicholas918]

I wonder if he enjoys Eric Clapton

[@jonathaneilbeck2263]

God he must've blown as gasket when Rishi Sunak was PM.

[@Spacewith2224]

@@007kingifritit literally isn’t fundamentally dangerous? I have lived in the UK my whole live and Muslims being Muslim isn’t the problem at all

[@007kingifrit]

@@Spacewith2224 anecdotal evidence cannot be used to view large scale trends. islam can't hurt you when it is a super minority. but get a high enough % in the country and we'll see what they do to you.

[@ptassa270]

I don't know what's more ridiculous, that fact that this man is so upset about something that has almost no impact on gameplay or story, or the fact that he wanted to be immersed into star field.

[@whateverwhatever4476]

The game was ass. But the dudes reaction is so damn dumb

[@chaserseven2886]

thats what people do when they play bgs games they want to be immersed

[@ptassa270]

@@chaserseven2886 but star field?

[@chaserseven2886]

@@ptassa270 yes they're are going to be people like that

[@segue2ant395]

Anyone complaining about 'gender ambiguity' in scifi has never read a scifi novel from outside the Warhammer universe, I guarantee it.

[@mandu6665]

Which is funny because Warhammer, 40K and Fantasy, has a god that is gender fluid, all about lust and hedonism and thus does not discriminate on who's gonna get banged lol.

[@anotheronebitesthedust-fs6wr]

And now people are complaining about pronouns and bodyshape in dragon age veilguard creation menu which is pathetic really the only problem I see with it is how limited it is

[@TimedRevolver]

Dragon Age has always had limited character creation options. And in Origins, for some reason fi you make a male without a beard, their face loses 40 pounds and becomes so gaunt they could pass for a skeleton in a paper mask.

[@anotheronebitesthedust-fs6wr]

​@TimedRevolver i agree their and what people don't realise is that veilguard will probably support modding given that the other games do/did also alot of people don't even know that dragon age has always been pro lgbtq and pro transgender and support black lives matter and pro fandom shipping also the reaction from the culture war side of things is fucking hilarious whre the fuck where these culture war freaks when the last dragon age came out

[@666FallenShadow]

@@anotheronebitesthedust-fs6wr i don't get how the fuck anyone could miss that dragon age is pro lgbt when the very first god damn game had very openly lgbt companions ffs

[@leviadragon99]

Complaining about queer content in *a bioware* game of all things just proves that they were never fans, they were tourists, riding into the fandom to try and stir up outrage.

[@MrApoorvaSingh753]

I still find so stupid argument 🙄 when they bring optional top surgery scars and come up "Its medieval they can't have surgery" and "It's Magical can't they heal it" by that logic our Inquisitor grow their arm up and not put prosthetic 😂 they're illogical or "why can't we make Female" despite having feminine option just can't grow Hips and Breast like Kim Kardashian lol.

[@FleshOrbital]

i love it when POG pulls out the certified philosophy classics and then goes 'anyway, back to the youtube discourse'

[@SamuraiMotoko]

I thought i could get away with never seen the supposed scream and rant.

[@popburnsy3207]

I skipped it the first time, not sure why I bothered this time, other than Pillar puts out good content.

[@harry664]

Always like it when a new pillar of garbage video drops right when I'm done watching the previous 7

[@xBINARYGODx]

So, ME2 has a female who is a clone of her male father (with many changes, of course) which is fine, but SF has a character who is a clone of her male father (with many changed, of course) and this is a problem? Is this because one of them is 1,000,000% pandering and the other only 100,000% pandering and the "wrong" skin color?

[@eltoppdog]

The anti-wokes are beyond delusional. I've had friends just say "They're trying to cancel it!" to old movies nobody is even talking about, then defend saying jt.

[@spacebassist]

you have two choices: 1) admit that your favourite media isn't without problems. while it has regrettable aspects, you still love it for its heart, not its hate 2) shit yourself screaming about how the mob wants to take away your movies because you agree with those parts and don't want to admit it

[@Alex-cw3rz]

I agree with that idea that the internet is very much like that phot impairment effect. If I watch a few hours of youtube, genuinely I remember barely any of it. Just a few hours of my life gone. Had a few beers and played pool with my mates earlier on today and I can remember potting three in a row, chipping the ball over my own and off the table. The conversation we had as well. In that half an hour game I can remember more than mutiple weeks worth of youtube content.

[@Alex-cw3rz]

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[@peachy_lili]

I hate how right you are. ugh. what am I doing with my life

[@marsar1775]

Honestly yeah. for the most part, youtube has become just a time waster for me, or a way to have some background noise while i work

[@williampomplun5618]

Thinking Starfield is bad because of the optional pronoun toggle is like being handed a shit sandwich and refusing to eat it cause it's got an olive on a toothpick on top and you hate olives. Were I to present you one without the olive, would you happily eat that shit sandwich? It is bad, but your reasons for believing so are both incorrect and more than a little deranged.

[@benoloughlin9215]

Did you watch the video?

[@williampomplun5618]

@@benoloughlin9215 Yes, I did in fact. The "you" refers to the hypothetical, abstract you representing people like Heel et al, whom this video is about. I assumed I could talk about the main subject of a video in the comments about that video without having to elaborate I was referring the video's subject rather than it's author/narrator, on account of my misplaced faith in the overall level of critical thinking available to the average youtube commenter.

[@benoloughlin9215]

@@williampomplun5618 okay you don’t need to talk down to me like that. If you take a step back and see it from my point of view, your comment can sound like someone who didn’t watch the video and just saw the thumbnail and title. Because in most cases, when people use “you” under a video, unless specified otherwise, they are referring to the creator of the video. Because if you taking to the subject, then why are you talking through the creator? It doesn’t make any sense. I’m sorry that my “critical thinking” failed when you don’t talk like a normal person.

[@BradsPitts.]

I always the main emotion in his rant to be betrayal - he enjoyed the game, it sucked him in, and then - PRONOUN JUMP SCARE

[@mandu6665]

After watching a bunch of babies throw temper tantrums over GASP SHOCK a woman being the lead character in the sequel to Ghost of Tsushima, I hesitated for quite a while on whether to trust in the algorithm and watch this video because merely typing Ghost of Yotei or Dragon Age: The Veilguard has heavily polluted it and I've gotten sick of having to clean it up. I was not familiar with your game and am quite glad I have discovered your channel. A great video and you've earned a sub. Side bar: One thing I HATED about Starfield criticism shortly after release was ALL these kinds of streamers/KZbinrs, and a lot of "normal" streamers and KZbinrs, spent the last three years profiting off ragebait Cyberpunk 2077 videos, which often times were filled with lies or extremely disingenuous takes, only to then use the C2077 expansion Phantom Liberty to make Starfield look "bad." Such blatant hypocrisy in the name of the grift is absurd and pure buffoonery.

[@YoQ]

unfortunately, I realized where the grifters are coming from. mind you, i know they're man-children with no real problems, but their mindset of identifying underlying politics they don't agree with causing them to rethink media is something I go through when I find out an author was actually bad. but by then, if i liked the product, I'll stick by it, but pirate it

[@drtaverner]

The game being boring has to do with 1000 empty planets, bad writing, cities that make no sense, outdated tropes, terrible characters.

[@007kingifrit]

but the presence of left wing thinking means you can't "punch down' and a whole host of interesting or funny ideas are not present or allowed to be present. neo marxists ruin writing.

[@miniature030]

Nah... it was definitely the doing of the dreaded "gender slider"

[@drtaverner]

@@miniature030 LoL!

[@trol68419]

Was he right? Short answer: no. Long answer: also no.

[@thewhitewolf58]

Imagine playing a game set in the future and having a melt down about the standards of gender evolving.

[@007kingifrit]

gender isn't "evolving" you're just in a pseudoscience. all trans don't exist.

[@Sneedmire]

The problem I have with Az's rant is this: What set it off was a misunderstanding of the character of Hadrian Sanon in terms of what she is. Az seemed to think she was a member of a present-day social trend when she's actually a genetic experiment, which is a lore bit connected to the UC. But that detail gets lost underneath something that is just a byproduct of a certain part of the internet infecting the industry...

[@a_level_70_elite_raccoon]

"Your rant was a nuke to their values" is such a weird, overly poetic, and totally unecessary way to say "you destroyed them, lol!"

[@nikidelvalle]

The biggest problem with Starfield is by far the loading screens as far as I'm concerned. Starfield can never be nearly as immersive as Skyrim because it's constantly reminding you that it's a video game. Playing Star Wars Outlaws after Starfield really put into stark relief how essential the seamlessness is.

[@John-qv5ux]

I now know why I started thinking about Starfield after playing Outlaws. Outlaws is what Starfield could have been.

[@Archius9]

I’m so tired of these anti woke people who don’t understand that complaining and screaming about things simply because of diversity and inclusion just creates more. If you don’t like it, ignore it and move on and it will go away.

[@k0lpA]

For me it's like if a guy at a restaurant was screaming because they serve pizza with pinapple on it. Like we get it you don't like pinapple on pizza but some people do.. is it so hard to have to see a pinapple pizza on the menu and just carry on and not choose it or see a waiter passing by with a pinapple pizza for another customer that you have to throw a temper tantrum ?

[@keemstarkreamstar7069]

Disney literally just proved the opposite of this by explicitly removing LGBT inclusivity from their recent movie due to backlash. It definitely does work, if it didn’t you wouldn’t scream so loudly when people push back, but would rather cheer as it apparently furthers your cause. More on a case by case basis though, the suppositions on which modern society are built to yield towards this-namely our inheritance of slave morality and tabula rasa egalitarianism.

[@MarcoVeraccio]

@@keemstarkreamstar7069it does work but mainly because of the silent majority that is tired of on the nose propaganda. I come from a country that rarely gets represented in entertainment, I don’t cry about it, and it would be ridiculous to require it. So you guys need to chill with representation stuff, you don’t have to be everywhere.

[@andimason3370]

@@MarcoVeraccio Occasionally wanting someone to relate to =/= wanting to be everywhere. Acknowledging the reality that humans come in more than one flavour isn't "propaganda", it's just a basic observation of the reality of humanity. If you want more representation then ask for, you are entitled too it, everybody is. That's the whole point here: the more varied stories we get, the more types of people are represented and the more cultures are considered the more vibrant, interesting and engaging art becomes. So many amazing stories came into being because stories were written from new perspectives, cultures and identities that lie outside the media norm. I just think it's sad that you have have identified the problem: a domination in media almost exclusively by western-centric cis-white male led stories that always feature the same story structure and ideas; but instead of targeting that problem you've chosen instead to get mad at those who try and change it. Oh and that "silent majority" thing has repeatedly been proven to be an outright lie; in-fact there has been shown to be almost no link at all with how progressive's somethings themes are how popular it ends up being. Most people it turns out don't have a particularly strong opinion either way. The most common response to learning a a main character of a show is a minority is to go "oh, neat" before just getting on with their day. I think it's important here to remember that the online spaces we make by their very nature end up being echo chambers and are not representative of the general population.

[@MarcoVeraccio]

@@andimason3370 if it was just occasionally and was organic to the plot - no one would have any problem. Now every AAA developer has to include body types instead of male/female in fear of a liberal extremists. Instead of a unique idea for a unique game it turns into a routine checklist. And no, I don’t think my country should be represented just for the sake of representation. Only if it is organic to the setting or the plot.

[@nope5657]

Why is it that 98% of these guys all look like moldy sentient vanilla pudding?

[@klaibefhuoaiuwehjklbdfsnxnik]

Do not insult moldy sentient vanilla pudding.

[@vriskaserket467]

@@klaibefhuoaiuwehjklbdfsnxnik yeah moldy sentient pudding deserves more dignity and respect than these people lol

[@marcfyre]

You know, maybe the fact that Internet Historian and Heeltobabyface were friends were red flags for both of them in hindsight.

[@nightvision999]

Yeah he's right. Always has been. You'd have to do some serious mental gymnastics to think people like him or Tim Pool are on the left.

[@NoodleGoblin]

Seeing Babyface guy calling himself right is the craziest thing I've ever seen