Pilot Can't Land...TRIES Illegal Approach!

[@pilot-debrief]

The reason this was so dangerous is because it reinforced the pilot's belief that he can always just cancel IFR and duck under the weather and make things work. If you have an instrument rating, you need to maintain proficiency to fly IFR and that means understanding how to fly an approach. Let me know what you think in the comments below and then be sure to also watch the video about the Dad that was taking his family on vacation and crashed 👉 kzbin.info/www/bejne/r37TfaJnr6t6jcU

[@danepatterson8107]

I think this pilot was so reckless he should have been grounded. It angers me that the FAA allowed him back with a slap on the wrist.

[@MichaelLloyd]

No iPad means he doesn't have the approach plate. Maybe he was trying to shoot the approach with the iPad but that would stupid. Idk man... it sounds to me like he wasn't current.

[@randynielsen1413]

@pilot-debrief I can't imagine canceling an instrument approach with RNAV, VOR, and especially ILS available in the weather. I'd rather go into the hold and pull the plate up on my phone than whatever decision he made.

[@DanaMyersK6JQ]

Makes me wonder how many times he'd gotten-away with this.

[@MikeM275]

Here's what the pilot was *really* doing....he was on Facebook asking his friends what RNAV, ILS, and VOR mean...😅😂. If I didn't know better I'd say this was not an IFR pilot. Scattered 1600-1900 isn't terrible. I'm thinking if this was zero visibility this woulda ended in a crash. So question, does no one know how to use VOR's anymore?? ILS is extremely easy. Let me take him up sometime and cover all navigation up on the panel except the ADF....then say, let's do a back course landing...🤣He'd go back to VFR only...lol

[@carlosa7807]

1900 ft broken is about as easy an instrument approach as you can get. This guy managed to turn it into an emergency. The fact that he was using his iPad as a primary flight instrument for shooting the approach is shocking. Kudos to the controller for an excellent job

[@DanaMyersK6JQ]

@superbmediacontentcreator given the comments about his next two legs having similar troubled approaches, I wonder if his iPad was ever working on this trip

[@dougg6467]

@@carlosa7807 True, except that the field elevation is over 500 ft and it’s a mountainous area. The approach plate shows a minimum safe altitude of 4100 ft within 25 miles of the airport. He was very lucky to live through this.

[@VictoryAviation]

@@dougg6467​​⁠4,100 ft MSL in a 25 mile radius area takes the very highest terrain or obstacle and adds 2,000 ft in a mountainous terrain area. Realistically, that highest point could be miles and miles away from the area you’re operating in. 2,000 ft is a pretty big margin. This guy was still a moron nonetheless.

[@stevevenn1]

​@superbmediacontentcreator I 'hear you' 'loud and clear'

[@francisschweitzer8431]

Just a wild musing here…. I wonder if it was just a Six-Pack… and he had Google Maps on his phone after his iPad died… pilot mentioned he could not find the Nav Point on his GPS … SOOOO MUCH wrong in that aircraft

[@grundged]

That controller deserves an award. I would have been so pissed. 😅

[@sister_bertrille911]

My guess is that he was, but he remained professional in spite of that and did everything he needed to do to ensure a positive outcome. Hats off to him.

[@volvo09]

@@grundged I guarantee once the pilot landed the other airport called this tower back and said "hey remember the guy you warned us about?..... Well he landed here, but on the WRONG side of the flippin runway!"

[@pilotmark2861]

He did an amazing job !

[@JustMe-fo4ev]

@@sister_bertrille911 That's exactly what the original comment meant.

[@stanislavkostarnov2157]

oh... He was PISSED I think he is the kind of guy whos anger is very quiet... but I think there was some real rage in those final few communications. and yes, he did an awesome job despite being basically hampered all the way...

[@kevinbarry71]

That pilot had absolutely no business being in that airplane

[@TheCatLady65]

Idk, how do you learn?

[@Zaguzah]

​​@@TheCatLady65 You learn by being able to admit when you don't know something, which this goober didn't do.

[@howardtucker2423]

THIS PILOT IS JUST LUCKY TO BE ABLE TO FLY ANOTHER DAY. HE NEEDS TO STAY PROFICIENT AND KEEP OUT OF DANGER. WHEW! THAT WAS A CLOSE ONE. THOSE HIGH MOUNTIAN PEAKS CAN QUICKLY RISE UP AND SMITE YOU

[@crispy9175]

​@@TheCatLady65 with an instructor.

[@giggiddy]

​@@TheCatLady65You must be one of those clowns that thinks the world should step aside while you do whatever the hell you'd like. No matter who it puts in danger. Effing fool

[@ricdantas7289]

This is crazy. That’s my plane. I just bought it April of this year. I know exactly who that is, Jerry Pipes. He also did not pay for the Garmin subscription for the very capable GNS 430W. After this flight in December he flew to another location and clipped the top of trees with the left wingtip. He had it repaired repaired and put it up for sale in late March. We closed on in April. You will see Apple Valley in May is me doing training in the Mooney with my instructor. It blows my mind he kept flying even after this crazy flight in Oct. two months later he was in accident.

[@FerrariPlanF]

Well, at least sounds like it's in better hands now. He put that plane through a lot

[@thekill2509]

I was gonna go looking for pics from the sales ad to see if it had an onboard GPS.....thanks for saving me the trouble! Did this guy not even know that he could hit the "direct to" button and find that IAF in the database? Or select the Martinsburg Airport, then hit the "Proc" button, select and load the approach? It's not like the approach is so new it won't be in the database. How do you pass an instrument checkride without being able to do this?

[@loganamnosiss]

Can concur, I flew it in April and after putting in a current GPS database everything worked great including the autopilot being coupled to the Garmin 430. Aircraft even had 4 USB power sockets on board for charging. Can’t fathom how the previous owner could get so behind the plane.

[@Ultorvindex]

WHAAAAAAT!!!!! That's a sick story. What are the odds you finding out this, this way. Sick, really sick!

[@livnrluvsng]

I looked him up in the Airmen database. He's the only Jerry Pipes in the database and he's out of Louisiana. This pilot does not have an instrument rating. His medical expired 3/2024. He probably had no idea how to load and follow an approach in the 430W or King LOC/ILS indicators in his aircraft The aircraft back in 2012 had an STEC 50 AP as well so it should have been no problem getting into MRB. I fly a TR182 out of LKU with a 430W and STEC 60-2 with flight director. I was based at HEF near IAD for 20 years with a 172, 182RG then a TR182. MRB is an easy airport in IFR conditions but I couldn't believe that this pilot appeared to be flying IFR solely dependent upon an Ipad and with no knowledge of the capabilities of his aircraft. MRB is 565 MSL just west over the Blue Ridge foothills in the Shenandoah Valley--pretty low terrain where he was navigating, like 2100-2300 MSL but he just got lucky. Potomac Approach controllers are excellent but you need to tell them what you want....if I were approach control knowing the ceilings at MRB and the pilot's situation I would have suggested declaring an emergency for him, vectored him to intercept the 080 approach course, then told him to establish a vertical descent rate in an attempt to get him below the clouds in order to give him a contact approach clearance (not knowing then that he was not instrument rated). There is plenty of room in that area to perform this but I'm just armchair quarterbacking.

[@pollylewis9611]

I commend the controller trying to help this pilot who was so confused, I really hope the pilot didn't fly again until he got some proper training. Thank you Hoover I really appreciate how you respect all involved in your debriefs.

[@R.Sole88109]

Yeah, Kudos to the controller, I was expecting a Gunnery Sergeant Hartman impression: [raising his voice] What is your major malfunction, numbnuts? Didn't Mommy and Daddy show you enough attention when you were a child?. I bet some controllers internal monologues dealing with certain pilots would make decent video.😄

[@electronixTech]

Thanks for the laughs. I can just imagine. 😁

[@sludge8506]

@@R.Sole88109 Yes, thanks for the laughs. 👍👍 In reality, one of the most desirable traits of any authority figure is how they act under stress, or even extreme stress. Can they handle it.

[@tenpiloto]

Well I really hope that joker NEVER flies again!!!

[@tomwilson2112]

Seems like a VFR pilot who didn’t know how to use his equipment. He’s lucky to be alive.

[@scottstewart5784]

His IFR "hack" was his iPad. He would steer the plane so the blue dot on the iPad hits the waypoints. Easier than entering all those characters into his nav equipment. Genius.

[@georgeross9834]

I only fly for fun on nice sunny days . So far I have flown 45 years without any problems. I know my limits

[@dicksonfranssen]

Likewise but only in a car. Concussions & more have given me certain limits but thankfully I still have great night vision at 67 and some minor racing in my past. Beware the nose-picking texting Range Rover owner!

[@fakshen1973]

"A man's gotta know his limits." Thanks for keeping it sane and safe out there.

[@maximuscryptosx9424]

@@My_Fair_Lady That what simulators are for imo. Boring is safe.

[@mky4793]

@@My_Fair_LadyJeb? Is that you? The Kerbal profile pic goes so well with your reply 😂

[@us1fedvet]

Incompetent and unsafe. Referring only to the pilot of said Mooney 83V. A man has gotta know his limitations.

[@ProtusMose]

"My ipad died." "Great, that would have been fantastic to know 30 minutes ago."

[@michaelhansen7516]

That's the point at which I figured the guy was going to crash

[@JustMe-fo4ev]

And also who cares if it happened because it's not supposed to be a primary instrument/tool lol

[@firefox3187]

Dose anyone know the instrument load out on this aircraft, I bet it’s one of the old lat/long 1st gen GPS units and the CDI don’t work correctly. The only way that his argument about the iPad and cross referencing reff point would even be close to logical.

[@reubenmorris487]

@alexlindsey6446 He had no primary plan.

[@deanfowlkes]

@@firefox3187 - I read on another post that he had an out of date G-430W. Regardless of whether he had a lat-long GPS and analog CDI or an all glass panel, he should not have been using an iPad for a source of primary navigation. It is for storing the various aeronautical charts, sectionals, plates, maps, etc. You can not use the iPad to “verify” and cross reference your position.

[@weeyee60]

This pilot should be grounded for life. The ATC deserves praise, for his patience! 👊🏽

[@oldrrocr]

I'm guessing the family was praying their hearts out... so lucky to have survived this "learning experience".

[@imgroot9957]

“Pilot”

[@garfieldsmith332]

@@imgroot9957 Yes. If the lumberjack does not cut the wood how can this guy "Pile It"?

[@Taxiway_Alpha]

@@imgroot9957We both know you could never accomplish what he has. Enjoy your job at Taco Bell! 😂 (And your life as a high school dropout)

[@lbowsk]

@@Taxiway_Alpha WTH kind of reply is this?

[@smithnyiu]

I was involved with early development of a class II EFB (handheld device showing moving maps, IFR plates, etc) and at the time, the FAA did not allow us to show our ownship on the moving map, because they believed pilots would become too dependent on a non-certified device for primary navigation. This incident is exactly what they were trying to avoid.

[@volvo09]

I'm not a pilot but I have watched a few videos and noted iPads being used for approach plates and GPS location and wondered to myself if that was legal (since it's just consumer electronics) and or how many people have an over reliance on it for positioning. Sounds like it's a real issue then, at least for some.

[@VictoryAviation]

Here’s the flip side of that coin… an ipad with an external GPS device utilizing WAAS (such as a Garmin GDL52) is more accurate than an ILS by a significant amount. Yet the only reason pilots aren’t allowed to use this method, is because it’s not certified and permanently mounted in the aircraft. But the operational capability of foreflight and a GDL52 is literally higher than an ILS and definitely higher than a VOR.

[@christopherbrown1730]

​@@VictoryAviationyou should also get AHRS as a backup with that. The mini sentry ADSB offers it with claimed 1m accuracy. There is a cascading set of problems in the plane if reliance on an iPad is the last resort. Failure of a TSO installed GPS, vacuum pump failure, VOR failure, power failure, getting yourself into a problem with low fuel with poor planning, etc. Now if all that happens or I just happen to be gliding in to an airport deadstick in IFR, then in navigating with the iPad 😂

[@Destron5683]

@@volvo09iPad is fine for redundancy or an aid, but shouldn’t be the primary tool, which is how it sounds like this pilot was using it. You should know they airplane and know how everything on it works, otherwise you end up in this situation where the iPad dies and you’re in trouble because you don’t know how to fly the plane without it. He said he was using the iPad to confirm his GPS, but it sounds like he didn’t know how to use the GPS and was just using the iPads GPS. Plates on an iPad is fine but you should absolutely have paper copies as well. Consumer electronics aren’t made for a lot of this stuff and shouldn’t be trusted to this extent.

[@noneofyourbusiness5074]

You can't punish the majority of people and letting them without the technology because the minority won't use it properly!!!

[@aliassmithandjones9453]

I used to know a retired air traffic control guy. He described his job as 'playing video games with people's lives'. Videos like this give me newfound respect for him and all others who work in that field

[@MarlinWilliams-ts5ul]

Yeah I had a friend who was an ATC on an aircraft carrier. He was a smart and capable guy but he ended up having a nervous breakdown. Needless to say the Navy transferred him to a different rate.

[@timduggan1461]

This incident displays the professionalism of Air Traffic Controllers. My hat's off to them!!

[@Capecodham]

Which is rare.

[@kristinstrickland1038]

He was so invested and polite!

[@mattj65816]

The fact that he didn’t accept vectors onto an ILS is “wow.” That’s as simple as it gets, all you need to do is tune a frequency. It’s like his brain had one path it needed to follow and he couldn’t even consider anything else.

[@ShermanAviation]

Panic can cause tunnel vision!

[@AbNomal621]

I am not a pilot, but when much younger did get to fly being shown a lot about the aircraft. This was before most craft had GPS and I have to say that VOR seemed pretty easy. Dial a frequency and follow the needle until you’re on top of it.

[@suemcpherson2047]

Sounds possibly like what they call “Plan Continuation Bias”, aka get-there-itis. The podcast Cautionary Tales did a great episode on this, (actually where I learned the term), if you’re interested the episode is called “Danger- Rocks Ahead!” Only in that case the Captain was a very experienced sailor, (unlike the pilot in this video 😬).

[@motrock93b]

Possibly because he didn't have an Instrument Rating. He was determined to cancel IFR to find a hole in the clouds. An ILS would have been so much easier.

[@kurtreber9813]

Probably didn't have the equipment the controller was lead to believe he had

[@cochip__5897]

That pilot is nothing but a liability.

[@gervanwilliams1409]

Hoover, you’re incredibly valuable to us who are trying to understand why these pilots get into trouble in what seems to be a typical flight. Arrogance, overconfidence appear to be contributing factors in so many. Thank you for your channel.

[@georgeo162]

Great that you’re covering near miss situations. Just as instructive as the tragedies. He’s lucky to be alive.

[@AnoNym-zi5ty]

He did miss tho. It was a near hit!

[@Taxiway_Alpha]

How exactly is he lucky to be alive? Have you ever flown an RNAV approach before?

[@paulw4310]

After all of that mess with a dead iPad and complete confusion about the operation of the onboard nav equipment, even a quasi-proficient IFR pilot would've accepted a tried and true precision ILS approach. Personally, I'd take an ILS over an RNAV approach any old day. Something is seriously amiss here and I hope the FAA figures it out before this guy starts recklessly divebombing holes in the deck again. That endangers more than just him! PS Kudos to the controller. If patience is a virtue, that controller should be canonized.

[@billfinn9536]

The controller knew the guy was struggling and tried to help him the best he could. The pilot thought he knew how to fly IFR but really did not! The pilot should have declared an emergency earlier on.

[@KaylieRayne]

Im with you, RNAVs can be more of a pain then its worth, give me and ILS any day of the week. Simple radio change on NAV1 and you're headed down.

[@paulw4310]

@@KaylieRayne Absolutely!

[@davisandotube]

I agree with you except on the ILS part. I do prefer the RNAV, it guides you by grabbing you by the hand, provided you have a modern good GPS avionics installed.

[@MrXtachx]

@@davisandotube ILS wont do anything different than the RNAV here - they will point him at the glideslope and localizer and the needles will do the exact same thing that his ipad or an onboard GPS would have done. It would be legal, safe and probably working regardless of his ipad battery, so why not just take the ILS? So strange.

[@cvkline]

As a CFII I would never even dream of allowing an instrument student to proceed to a practical exam if they had this kind of attitude. I’ve terminated with at least one student because they simply couldn’t let go of the idea that “all I need to do is follow the magenta line, why are you making this so hard?” It’s infuriating. These people had families that I’m sure would be entrusting them with their lives, and I just wanted no part of that.

[@RobertMChambers]

My CFII is like that too. He's refused to continue with students that adopt a similar attitude because he didn't want the blood of the family on his hands. I respect that.

[@mikoto7693]

Honestly I have no idea how any student pilot could develop such a mindset. I was under the impression that a significant portion of pilot training is learning how to react and what to do if there’s some kind of mechanical failure or emergency. Stuff like what to do if the engine fails and can’t be restarted.

[@cvkline]

@@mikoto7693 Unless you also have the same ingrained sets of "Hazardous Attitudes" yourself, it's a hard thing to relate to. I don't understand either how someone could just ignore all concerns of safety or rule-following, but I've run across that "I'll do as I please, there's no one to stop me" a few times, so I just accept that some people's minds work far differently from how mine does.

[@mikoto7693]

@@cvkline True. There are several ways of thinking that I don’t really understand and some, I wouldn’t want to understand such as serial killers. Even on the ground, the aviation industry is not a good fit for risk takers and adrenaline junkies. I’ve had to yell at a small handful of my colleagues who were putting themselves at risk of being ingested by a jet engine, blown over by jet blast or something else that was dangerous to them. Fortunately the vast majority either learn to respect the risks of working on the ramp or end up leaving after a few weeks or months. I have my doubts that some of them left voluntarily. Safety and responsibility are dealbreakers for my managers at least.

[@tugginalong]

I feel for the controller. I was stressed listening to him trying to help the pilot. I’m glad he landed safely.

[@FlyingDoctor60]

Once again, I am gobsmacked by this story. It's as though the pilot was making it up as he went along, and badly at that. Unbelievable!

[@jenelaina5665]

Controller had the patience of a saint which he really shouldn't have needed to have. Sheesh. Give that dude a raise, genuinely, or at the very least pilot should be sending a thank you (hopefully not pissed at the controller for the extta training he definitely needs).

[@jakobsen7239]

As they said, if the controller lost his temper or declared an emergency on behalf of the pilot, he would just further stress him out. In a situation like that all that really matters is getting the aircraft safely on the ground. It’s like dealing with a kid who is holding a loaded firearm, you don’t yell and berate, you just focus on getting everyone safely out of a bad situation, then you can get angry later

[@mikoto7693]

@@jakobsen7239That’s also how it’s done with airline pilots. If one makes a serious mistake, even if it just led to a “near miss” incident they don’t try to talk about it or berate the erring pilot while the aircraft is still flying. Instead they just focus on the situation at hand, recover the aircraft from the upset then carry on flying. It’s only when they have landed, shut down the engines and the pax have disembarked that they do the debriefing and discuss what happens next. It’s been learned from bitter experience that yelling, berating or humiliating the erring pilot just makes things worse by stressing him out more.

[@AnythingForSouls]

how is this not a licence revoked ? lied to the tower and tried to do an illegal approach all while messing around and causing issues for the controllers and other aircraft before he decided to just go below the clouds himself and then land the wrong way ? how is that just a more training situation.

[@giggiddy]

I agree. This azzhole jeopardized the other dozen planes in the air waiting to land. Should have pulled his license. Period

[@transparentaluminum]

@AnythingForSouls There could be several possible reasons the FAA was kinder to the pilot than expected. #1 He may have shown true remorse and expressed an understanding of how much trouble he caused. Maybe he caught the Arbiter of his case on a good day. Contrition and humility are increasingly rare in these times, which makes them a bit more effective when expressed. It could also be simply that the outcome after he took control and completed the flight visually (even if breaking rules unsafely) was not worse.

[@dermick]

@@transparentaluminum True - he might have also lost his primary IFR navigation system in the aircraft, and was relying on the ipad. We don't know the whole story.

[@PsRohrbaugh]

​@@dermicknah, 5 minutes into the video the controller asks if the pilot and plane are IFR capable and and pilot says "that is all correct". The correct response would be "no, my main avionics failed, and my backup iPad is at 8% battery".

[@dermick]

@@PsRohrbaugh True - he should have confessed that he had an issue. Also, what he said was probably technically correct - the aircraft seems to have been equipped for IFR in the 1970s - I found this on a website, no idea how accurate it is: Avionics/Radios Dual 170B's King Audio Panel with Marker Beacon King Transponder King ADF Dme Dual VOR with Glide Slope So the aircraft is IFR capable. The pilot probably had an IFR rating, but was not current or not able to do so with the equipment in his aircraft. Stuck on top is not a comfortable place to be for a VFR pilot or even an IFR pilot who's not current or is not flying with the same equipment he trained on. I've been there, and thanks to videos like this, I 'fessed up to ATC, and they helped me find a hole and get down safely and legally. Thankfully I had plenty of fuel, and there were holes out there, so I didn't need to declare. These stories are great for non-pilots because they are kind of entertaining, but for pilots, they are invaluable because we can hopefully learn something that can save our lives.

[@frankward67]

That pilot is truly lucky to be alive. He definitely needs A LOT of remedial training with a CFII before he is allowed to go IFR again. It was great meeting you and talking to you at OSH!! Keep up the great work.

[@CryticalAce]

These debriefs are fantastic in keeping us safe, I have learnt so much from your breakdowns of what went wrong and how to avoid dangerous scenarios. Thank you Hoover for your content and service

[@vbscript2]

Wow. This is crazy. I'm glad this guy survived at least. Also glad to hear that he apparently sold his airplane.

[@AJ-qv9yo]

Nice. A lot to learn from and no one died this time. The controller was just fantastic. The type you need when in trouble. prioritising to get you 'safely' on the ground. One can deal with the pilot's errors later.

[@barbarachambers7974]

Confusion of any sort in the cockpit can be catastrophic. I am glad he was able to get down safely.

[@mburland]

Glad this didnt end in a crash. The pilot was a literal weapon and has no business putting himself and others in danger in this way ever again.

[@Pooneil1984]

Any landing you walk away from.... At least he had enough fuel to mess around until he could get on the ground. But doing that in the hills is risky stuff.

[@dermick]

He was probably getting low on fuel - this flight ended up being about 4 hours - quite a long flight, and depending on how well he leaned, he could have been running very low on fuel, adding to the stress.

[@emmab009]

Ok, I apologise for my comment to all the pilots who watch Hoover for debriefs …. But Hoover, I think you are fantastic. Your channel is informative, educational and I’m sure will help many up and coming (and seasoned) pilots. No politics, no sponsorship ads overselling in the middle of streams, no being cruel, no unnecessary drama… just factual and with empathy: Bravo ❤

[@Kevin_747]

Good job Hoover. Nice to see this one didn't create tombstones but you have to wonder how much real instrument training and flying this pilot had. Sounds like the FAA went light on him.

[@pamelaremel7477]

Controller was Grace Under Fire so to speak. Hopefully this man gets some training or stays out of the air. He's several times lucky that he made it down safely! Another excellent vid. Hoover, thanks!

[@volvo09]

Well they mandated he get some training before returning to the air, so hopefully he doesn't go to some rubber stamp academy and actually learns how to use his instruments before he turns himself and his plane into scrap.

[@Capecodham]

Who is Grace?

[@6thdayblue59]

You always comment so beautifully and respectfully. Thank you. Always my 1st ‘go to’ when it’s aviation related. Bless you Hoover x

[@pilot-debrief]

Thanks!

[@dicksonfranssen]

This is now my Sunday morning dose of reality with no unnecessary drama or gore. What is it when people need to see more tragedy as opposed to common sense? I once made it through an F4 tornado, the roads were clogged with tragedy seeking sightseers. Just pathetic.

[@pamelaremel7477]

@@dicksonfranssen Same thing after a fire.

[@dicksonfranssen]

@@pamelaremel7477 I'm 67 so I think I've seen it all and have mid range PTSD. "Is this where that guy was shot?" Look! A backyard shed on fire! Just really stupid human behavior.

[@SebSN-y3f]

Well said! Thank you very much!

[@Votrae]

Will never forget the day (elsewhere) I took an IFR handoff, and the previous controller giving a heads-up he wasn't holding vectors well. Pilot sounded uncomfortable immediately. Suffice it to say we started looking for better weather quickly for them. No injuries

[@MrJeffinLodi]

It is very clear that the pilot used the Ipad solely for navigation and had no idea how to fly any of the approaches.

[@AbNomal621]

I think FAA should have investigated whoever signed the pilot off for IFR. As a software developer the iPad (or any general purpose computing device) should NEVER be approved as more than an aid.

[@rdbjrseattle]

Wouldn’t help. Didn’t have up to date subscription to data for his equipment. I guess he couldn’t afford to fly IFR. Are there any “poor” IFR pilots flying their own/rented planes?

[@rob737700]

I've been retired for a while but it seems like many struggle with these GPS approaches. In my day an ILS, VOR,, and even the occasional NDB got us in every time. Great video.

[@richardpark3054]

Maybe sometimes it doesn't seem that way, but ATC is your friend. Controller in this clip deserves multiple prizes: patience, understanding, and competence.

[@jbsack]

I did a check ride with a student yesterday for an initial type in a C525. When he started the ILS, he is looking at his iPad mounted on his yoke. The plane has dual 750’s and Dual G600’s 9Beautiful panel for a CJ1). Both 750’s had chart option enabled and current charts. The controller asked him to let them know when he got to the FAF (we were in and out of a light broken layer) To my amazement, the student never entered the procedure on the 750’s, never put in the ILS frequency in either of NAV1 or 2, and he was flying the effing ILS approach off his iPad. He obviously failed at that point. Where do pilots get that they can fly IFR off an iPad??? It’s a great tool for situational awareness, but I was flabbergasted that a commercial, multi, instrument pilot would do that ( He was an older gentleman)

[@mowtivatedmechanic1172]

It comes from instructors allowing it. I’m getting my CFI ticket soon. I’m not gonna allow iPads in the cockpit.

[@danielreuter2565]

It's on the written test about 15 different ways. Some people are just too dumb to keep alive in airplanes without a lot of luck. I wish you could unsat a candidate "with prejudice" like they do in court. That guy should not be allowed to take the checkride again.

[@danielreuter2565]

​@@mowtivatedmechanic1172I don't really see how that's solving the problem. Pilots need to be proficient with EFBs. They're not going anywhere.

[@tonycook7679]

Hmm, the aging brain is not so good at working under pressure. He might be OK in a car, but it doesn't sound like he should be navigating anywhere that the wheels are not touching bitumen.

[@krisztinaholly]

CFII fail

[@bombsaway6340]

Like you, ex military pilot, now CFII. Very common to have pilots show up for an IPC and they can’t use the IFR navigator installed in the aircraft. This is particularly a problem for pilots who got their certificate before GPS approaches became so prevalent. This pilot sure gives every indication he was using his iPad as his sole navigation device. Oh, no an iPad is not an approved navigation device.

[@sarahalbers5555]

He didn't even have an approach plate😮

[@bombsaway6340]

@@sarahalbers5555 Didn’t need one. The GPS will give you all the course data. Depending on the system, it will also give you each step down altitude. Older systems might not have the step down altitudes, but just ask. an LPV get vectors onto final, follow the course and glide path. Again ask for DA. Weather was not that bad. If I recall, he would have broken out at 1000 fr or more above ground. Don’t know who was flying, but couldn’t possibly have an instrument certificate. Declare an emergency if needed.

[@TheMadmatt7]

Kudos to that controller. Kept his cool with a pilot who was making things as difficult as possible.

[@richsudlow6147]

Thanks!

[@jeremywright7832]

🙏

[@REDMAN298]

The pilot should be grounded. He lied and risked the safety of many people.

[@GreenCrim]

Forgetting about the iPad for a minute, this is a great demonstration of why you should do all of the different aids on your IFR renewals and keep them current. GPS dies but there is a VOR, ok no problem, as long as you have paper copies of the approach in case your iPad dies.

[@AN-12345]

At least he sold the plane a month after that. Hopefully he had some sense scared into him.

[@mfkp]

I’m thinking this might have been the new owner flying his new plane that he wasn’t familiar with (and the registration wasn’t updated until later as it takes the FAA a long time to update these records).

[@larryroyovitz7829]

I agree, it seems like this scared the living bajesus out of him and he sold the plane, and maybe won't fly again. Hard to say.

[@flaviocoste898]

He probably sold it to buy a Cirrus 😆😆😆. Sorry, just trying to put a little humor to a horrible situation

[@CzechItDown]

yeah selling that plane was a benefit to everybody

[@MidwestFarmToys]

@@mfkpI think you're right on

[@bluemarblescience]

This guy is lucky to be alive. I agree with you Hoover - it's a really good idea to have some printed info with you and not just rely on a single piece of electronics that can fail in a number of ways. That I-Pad is a great backup if the battery is charged just in case you had an electrical failure that takes out your panel mounted GPS, same as having a hand held along, just in case, but it's a last resort. Not a flight instrument.

[@SquirrelRIP]

I always find your content fascinating and educational, thank you!

[@GibsonLP2010]

Nice to have a video where the family didn't perish because of the pilots incredibly severe problem of incompetency. Thanks Hoover! Great video. I enjoy them.

[@bertg.6056]

An unprepared and untrained pilot. The controller was a saint !

[@MrSuzuki1187]

Hoover, when you speak, I listen! And I am a retired airline pilot with 30,000 hours. I really trust what you say.

[@bryonraper3506]

I’m seeing that more and more. We have actually hired “professionals” that absolutely can’t fly without an iPad and certainly can’t fly without a moving map. It’s disgusting.

[@sludge8506]

You actually see this more and more?? Really??

[@AMT4245]

@@sludge8506 I don't doubt they do. The entire world is falling to gross incompetence.

[@sectorcodec]

As a pilot who uses an iPad somewhat regularly, it’s mostly a convenience tool. Sure, I could go home and print out every approach plate I need. But that would be literally dozens of pieces of paper I’d have to reprint every month when they’re out of date.

[@jamesh7876]

@@sectorcodecjust getting into IFR and I’m a a lower time pilot, but the iPad is more like you said. It’s an EFB (electronic flight bag) rather than messing around with big maps that run out of date, supplements for airports and needing different runway print outs for every place, you press around on foreflight or garmin and it brings up the information you need with no fumbling or wasted time. You don’t fly off the map, you look at it for pilotage and dead wrecking help and the charts you may need when you’re landing or taxiing. Nothing too complicated there. How does one fly based on an iPad. Insane.

[@freepilot7732]

​@@sectorcodec poor excuse. Just print out the main plates your planning to use and a couple more, cut them out to size and put it in your pocket.

[@whocares2227]

Hoover, I'm not a pilot nor have I flown in a commercial bird for at least 30 years but I really like watching your videos and listening to your explanations of what was done right and what was done wrong and your knowledge and experience is exemplary. I appreciate your military service as well. Thank-You

[@machfive916]

That controller deserves recognition.

[@richardcarr3241]

Thanks!

[@KarenSmith-pc8ji]

Wow. That is crazy and the flight controllers did an amazing job. This reminds me of the old Q&A… Question: What do you call the doctor who graduated last in his class? Answer: Doctor. In other words, just because someone gets a license, it doesn’t always mean that they know what they’re doing. Thanks for all you do @pilot-debrief.

[@mark2talk2u]

Controller was so calm and professional. He didn’t declare an emergency and helped keep the situation as calm as possible.

[@Maggie-tr2kd]

I guess each of us have our own preference in how the story is told. I do like the intro information about the end outcome because it causes me to sharply focus on the details of the story that lead to the safe landing, safe but narrow escape landing, or a terrible tragedy. I find I concentrate on each detail as the story unfolds trying to determine step by step what could have gone wrong or what was the saving grace.

[@MikeMcNanners]

That is the most patient and understanding controller I've ever heard. Good job on his part!

[@mizzyroro]

iPad - The new doctor killer.

[@TheOsfania]

Takes care of architects, engineers, dentists, lawyers, too.

[@mattskustomkreations]

@@TheOsfaniaNot architects, too poor. Probably same for engineers.

[@Ultorvindex]

Not new. iPads have been in the cockpits for many years. But, the FAA and the NTSB should have banned them long time ago for the sake of proficiency and safety.

[@RacerXGTO]

ewwww, IF he was in a V-tail, 100 percent, would have augured in

[@1DesertRat]

@@TheOsfaniaI experience similar dangerous results when engaging in amateur anesthesiology or inter cranial scalpel exploration! I fly airplanes for a living and have empathy for those who find themselves in situations such as this. As Clint Eastwood once said “a man should know his limitations.” That quote comes in below my favorite Clint zinger; young man seeking a bounty on Clint’s character throws open the saloon doors, ready to shoot. When it’s clear Eastwood could smoke him from a seated position, the kid says “mister, I’m just trying’ to make a livin’, to which Clint ultimately says “dyin’ ain’t much of a livin’ son!” Truer words have never been spoken. The subject pilot has a high level of cognitive dissonance bouncing around inside his skull. Too bad he took his floaties off before jumping in the deep end 😳

[@AdamSmith-kb7kt]

It’s a good day when we get a new pilot debrief episode!

[@tonylevine2716]

Let us pray this guy never has passengers!! I'm generally hard on some of the controllers in these videos for not being helpful enough, but this controller went above and beyond! Great job!! 👏🏾👍🏾

[@blanchae]

I really appreciate the Pilot Debriefs and they have solidified in my mind that I do not have the where with all to be a pilot.

[@EricChristoph]

I had no idea what I was getting into attempting to become a pilot at age 52. Much more to it than you expect. So many of these videos are of people who just failed to respect the art and science of flying.

[@JoeLy92808]

Another great informative debrief from Hoover about the dos and don’ts in aviation. Not a pilot but learning TONS from this channel. Thank you Hoover for what you do!

[@leebrisey4988]

Pilot Debrief is a fascinating big picture look into a part of aviation that non-pilots rarely see. Great presentation!

[@GuyFromSC]

Man that was painful to listen to. Kudos to the controller for keeping his cool and not canceling his IFR. By not doing so, he definitely let the pilot know of the seriousness of this attempt. Glad this had a positive ending and the pilot was had to take remedial IFR training, but this could’ve been really bad had there been terrain in the area or more traffic. 🙏🏼

[@markserbu]

"...I'm gonna get in trouble if things don't work out...", i.e., you DIE. This pilot obviously didn't have the approach loaded into his GPS, and the iPad excuse is weak. I have Foreflight on my iPad which is on the panel, and I also have a copy on my iPhone as a backup. I have the ability to charge both in flight at the same time. This guy is EXTREMELY lucky not to have died during this "approach". Nice job with the video.

[@THELIFEOFPRICE]

mannn I kept expecing to see the video go south to him crashing but was pleasantly surprised to see he made it. Hopefully it was a wakeup call for him. Controller did an outstanding job for sure. Another great video hoover!

[@ddouglas3687]

Its like that crazy driver on the road we all encounter, just flying through traffic with little to no understanding of the danger. Some people should not fly!

[@foreverpinkf.7603]

That's the point.

[@ddouglas3687]

@@foreverpinkf.7603 yep! Thanks for playing and def glad you can understand!

[@lockedonlaw]

Sam Kinison should have taken over this one. "VFR means VISUAL!" Can you see the runway? How are you going to approach something you can't see? Ahh! Ahhhh!"

[@BadMonkeyTouring]

Looks like another iPad dependent pilot. This is becoming is a very dangerous trend.

[@jimmiller5600]

Is it just me, or are too many pilots obscuring their view with high mounted ipads reducing their "see & avoid" ability as well as safely taxiing?

[@dicksonfranssen]

Agreed. This is a quote from my first comment. *"AI is killing our creativity, self reliance & common sense"* You can include iPads in there.

[@randynielsen1413]

That's why its important we teach students how to work things out, confidently, the old fashioned way with maps and charts

[@BadMonkeyTouring]

@@randynielsen1413 and to be able to navigate on 'old style' conventional navaids before migrating to newer technology.

[@dicksonfranssen]

@superbmediacontentcreator It's worse than that. We just bought a new microwave. I can see how voice command would be handy if you're disabled but why are we paying for Bluetooth? Who puts a frozen meal in a microwave & needs to defrost it 10 minutes before they get home? I collect old maps, jokingly call them paper GPS. No one ever laughs.

[@jhopkins213]

I'm really impressed by how willing ATC often is to do whatever is necessary to get pilots on the ground safely and accommodate a particular pilot's capabilities. Flying IFR is serious business. I wish some pilots regarded IMC as seriously at controllers do.

[@speedfinder1]

Thank for posting. I'm not a pilot but even I have the small sense to do my road based navigating with a GPS "AND" a paper map in the planning stage. It's amazing how often, the technology lets you down. Paper notes however, always work, even without a power supply! 😁😁. I don't want to come across as being severe on the pilot here, but there is just no way he should have been flying that aircraft, in bad weather with clearly no proper preparation.

[@ten5487]

My wife bought me a 90 minute flight lesson with Virgin Experiences. I doubt I will ever get a pilots license, but your content has been invaluable in stressing the importance of preparedness, awareness, and competence required to fly a plane. Your channel is absolutely fascinating and sobering. Well done!

[@AmericaFirstFLL]

The Controller could tell the Pilot had trouble because of the route he took trying to find the initial approach fix. The controller could have attempted to vector the Pilot straight in on the approach which he ultimately did. MRB is pretty wide open. Nothing easier than an airport with a tower and primary radar. Good point .. if he had asked for help and leveled with the controller from the beginning, they would have spoon fed him the data necessary to get down.

[@HoldTheLine1990]

Hoover, I really like how you keep to the facts. You keep the emotional aspect out of the breakdown each time. It’s very easy to enter the rabbit hole of “pilot stupidity” when discussing an incident/accident. Another great job…video…for us.

[@RTD1947]

You do a fantastic job and service…keep doing what you’re doing!

[@JohnMack-f3f]

I’ve learned a lot about flying watching these Debriefs. Mainly that everything relies on a trustworthy pilot and a serious checklist.

[@speedbird-777]

If I had ever performed like that in the cockpit during training, my instructor would've thrown my ass out mid flight

[@LarryManiccia]

I'm no pilot, but this guy got extremely lucky. If i were him, I'd be thinking long and hard before getting into the cockpit to fly again. Just glad this one didn't end in tragedy.

[@jgbonney]

Am I alone in questioning whether this guy actually held an instrument rating?

[@daveh4893]

Excellent video! Kudos to the air traffic controller who was very professional. The pilot is very lucky in this case and luck is not something you want to rely on.

[@AvgDude]

The pilot likely had inadequate equipment and lied about it. Was planning to get vectors out of the clouds and land VFR.

[@97TJ]

Excellent video, Hoover. The controller went above and beyond to help that pilot. That Mooney pilot is very lucky he didn't end up smacking the ground, or running into someone landing on 08 when he suddenly appears on short final for 26.

[@nancyjones6780]

Thanks Hoover ❤✈

[@pilot-debrief]

Anytime!

[@jaws848]

Another excellent video,Hoover...thank you​@@pilot-debrief

[@jaws848]

​​@pilot-debrief are those 2 models on thefire placer behind you kits that you made yourself or premade desk top models?

[@IncompetentKlutz]

Thanks for your work, Hoover. I started watching because I was considering learning to fly. I am an artist and writer and very left brained. You have made me realise I'm definitely not the kind of human who should. ❤

[@TylerMWeather9102]

What a wonderful controller, he did an amazing job in this situation

[@kevinzetts]

I saw the dad who took his family on vacation and how heartbreaking that was. How can you do that to your family? Hoover, i am not a pilot, just a guy on the ground who is fascinated with aviation. First i want to thank you for serving our country. And WOW, the F15 is such a magnificent machine only flown by incredibly talented pilots. Second, i want to thank you for all you have taught me. Today i just happened to be wearing my AVIATE, NAVIGATE, COMMUNICATE shirt i purchased from you. I'm such a YUGE fan of your breaking down incidents to those of us who need it done in layman's terms. You're so good at it. I really hope KZbin pays you enough to make this your full-time job if you want it to be. And i really think the FAA or NHTB should be knocking at your door with an employment opportunity as well. You're definitely one of the best out there finding out what went wrong and how to explain it. So, thanks for everything you do! God bless.

[@clickster1883]

I hope the company insuring this pilot’s plane heard about this incident and made appropriate adjustments to his premiums.

[@james1795]

If you would have paid attention to the video, you would know the aircraft sold one month after the incident.

[@clickster1883]

@@james1795 Lighten up, Francis.

[@arctain1]

The insurance company is not the appropriate entity to regulate via insurance rates. The local FSDO is the correct entity. The reason is, when action is taken by the FSDO, there is a legal process - and the pilot has rights. As such, the pilot has the right to be represented by counsel to, basically, provide the pilot’s side of the story. And while insurance companies can set premiums based upon actuarial facts, were they to make a decision to raise rates based upon no actual incident or accident, would be to step into the regulatory role that they aren’t - nor want to be - tasked with filling.

[@JustMe-fo4ev]

You could simply try having a clue next time

[@clickster1883]

@@JustMe-fo4ev You and @arctain1 don’t get invited to a lot of parties, do you? At least not twice.

[@judsonquiaoit8256]

I really appreciate your debriefs ,brings back memories of days as a ATC operator, and limited pilot, and 1000 plus jump Yahoo, I'd fly with you any day any where....

[@brydenquirk1176]

I think the hidden story here is if youve messup real bad, come clean, ask for help and keep living.

[@keithrutherford9646]

To my understanding the only legal IFR use for an iPad is the fact that you will have current charts available for reference. It is not an installed device so therefore it is NOT legal for navigation purposes. I admire the patience of the controllers and the willingness to help an obviously rusty IFR pilot. If he truly had an IFR GPS he only needed to know the minimums to get down and simply follow the inbound course... This kind of flying will get you a Darwin award...

[@deanfowlkes]

You are correct.

[@cvkline]

I force all my primary students, and even my instrument students for a good chunk of the training course, to turn off “Ownship” on their iPad. Yes, by all means learn how to use it for weather, briefings, maps, airport data, and so on. But until I’m convinced that they’ve got the proper respect for situational awareness and navigation, they’re not allowed to use it for that kind of crutch.

[@krisztinaholly]

I like this idea 🎉

[@davidp2888]

You explained the situation so well, Hoover.

[@ajmplaneshelicoptersrocket3542]

I like watching these types of videos as entertainment. ... I'm not a pilot but even this one had me scratching my head! He's lucky he got on the ground safely. Good one Hoover.

[@jaimeastin]

Sunday morning gift dropped ❤🎉. Downloaded the pilot debriefing guide you made as well.

[@Frankietomatoes6189]

Hey Hoover, love all your videos. I do flight sim both civilian and military. My heart gets going in a sim and crazy how fast things get out of control. To be a pilot you must be in complete control and focus. Watching your videos actsully helps me be better sim pilot. Koodos to all avaition personal. Ground crew, tower pilots etc.

[@CamCovello]

I’ve never cringed harder than when I heard “the iPad tells me where the intersection is to let me know when I’m there”. This man should not be flying IFR.

[@davidboydarnott417]

3:10 he was heading 150, then he was told "cancel your approach and turn left 090, maintain 4000 ft."

[@TheCatLady65]

I'm not a pilot but this is all so interesting