The REAL Pilot Mistake That Got Shauna Killed!

[@pilot-debrief]

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[@Anon54387]

Like that doctor flying from the south to the northeast that ran out of fuel and crashed into the woods, I don't know why they were expecting one airport to have so much more visibility only a few miles away. Not something to stake ones life on.

[@maasicas]

Shauna chose DeleteMe. RIP.

[@joebot-v4.4]

“Delete Me” smh Hoover not very self-aware 🙄

[@AirplaneMode-pi9oc]

Send this to Gaetz and His lord Trump

[@freddyfox5002]

Too many ads on this video I won't be watching any more sorry

[@paramarky]

As an English medic and heli pilot I always tell people "better to be late in THIS world than EARLY in the next"

[@truthandreality4650]

Good one, don't mind if I use it myself.

[@papagen00]

fyi there's no 'next'.

[@dpendley1]

@@papagen00… Someday you will be certain of this statement, one way or another

[@BillyTwoKnives]

Some sound advice, no matter what you're doing.

[@dianehansma1725]

❤❤❤

[@djgendron]

My son just turned 19, he’s a month away from taking his final for private pilot license. I’ve been sharing your videos and we discuss your content. I have no pilot experience. But your content is good for me in becoming more aware of how important character development for pilots(and all of life).

[@BobbieXxoo]

Congratulations to you and your son!!! I wish him much success!!!

[@billysoccerboypayne]

19 is too young to be a pilot, only my opinion.

[@melissacrawford303]

​@@billysoccerboypayneI think that would be an individual call. My oldest son at 19, I would trust my life (and others as well) if he was getting his pilot license. My oldest daughter at 19, not a shot in he** would I allow her to fly. My middle son at 19, nope wouldn't happen. My middle daughter will be 19 in a few months, yes I'd trust her. I think it all depends on the individual and especially parents that are not blinded by love.

[@jiyushugi1085]

He should first get his student glider rating and get 30-~40 solo glider hours before starting on the power rating. He can use many of those glider hours towards the power rating. Don't let him rush into the power rating......

[@stephenwodz7593]

@@jiyushugi1085 Agreed. I flew hang-gliders before getting my pilot's licence, and it helped me A LOT.

[@noapologizes2018]

I put away my headset and log book many years ago because I was getting up in age and I sometimes made errors on the ground. So, I decided that as much as I liked flying, I liked living more. All it takes is one foolish decision, and you become a statistic. R.I.P. to those that perished.

[@lyingcat9022]

And no reason why you can’t go up with an experienced CFI to be PIC and still get your hands on the controls :)

[@77Avadon77]

And you can always go flying with somebody else it's not like you have to stop. Just find somebody else to be pilot in command.

[@noapologizes2018]

@@lyingcat9022 This is true, however, I flew solo most of the time. For me, there was a real understanding in my psyche that said, now that you are up, the only person that can bring you down safely, is you. One of the few activities that a person can do that each and every time, they have their life in their hands, alone.

[@brianmcg321]

Yep. It’s better to be on the ground wishing you were flying.

[@77Avadon77]

@@brianmcg321 then flying, wishing you were on the ground. 😉

[@crashburn3292]

This story reminds me of when I was 18 yrs old and taking a long drive from Modesto, CA to the Point Loma Naval Base in San Diego, CA with 4 of my friends and my retired truck driver grandfather. Then in his 80s, he loved to drive my 1968 VW 19-window bus as it reminded him of driving a truck, and on that trip, he got it in his head that he would drive my friends and I the entire way. It was a quick turnaround, 9 hours each way, starting the on Friday around noon and last 5 hours of drive home was a nightmare. It was a dark HWY (5 - CA) it was storming, my grandfather was exhausted and having problems just keeping in his lane due to the high winds. Even finding the off-ramps to stop for gas was challenging for him. And then he started falling asleep every 15 minutes, freaking out my friends. They'd yell for me to drive, to which my grandfather would argue, "I'm fine! I've been driving since before you kids were born!" Had it been anyone else I would've forced them to stop, pulling the emergency brake and turning off the engine myself. But it was my grandfather......In this case I ended up waiting and demanding the keys from him while we were stopped at a gas station. He didn't speak to me for months, not even at Thanksgiving and Christmas that year, but we got home in one piece. I know this wasn't flying but the _family dynamic_ is the same. I didn't want to hurt his feelings, but it wasn't fair to endanger my friend's lives to spare his feelings. I can't imagine having the same situation happen while flying. Ugh.

[@j_taylor]

I can't imagine how hard it was to make that call. But yes, it sounds like you applied... whatever the highway equivalent is of good Aerial Decision Making. Glad you're here to tell the story! P.S. Point Loma is great. Were you going to the Navy, visiting Rosecrantz Cemetery, or just to see family?

[@russ254]

@crash nice move!

[@jesuschristsuperczar1224]

Did you patch things up with Grandpa? Did he ever concede that you did the right thing?

[@johnd8596]

No offense but your grandpa sounds like a complete a-hole. Putting the lives of others at risk for no reason other than his fragile ego. I would just stop talking to him after that.

[@Larry-mk9ry]

Sounds like you saved maybe 3 from death and 3 from horrific injuries. Good call.

[@MrBiglig]

These videos are a great way to exercise your own decision making skills. I found myself actually talking to my iPad, “Hand the phone to your husband” “quit asking your dad and focus” “ GO AROUND!” Truth is it’s a lot easier to see these patterns when you’re sitting on the couch and not actually in the situation. I’m so sorry for the loss of these lives

[@planesandbikes7353]

seems she just did not understand this plane at all. 'Go around?' as a question says she did not see how serious the danger was and was relying on the owner of the plane to understand it. She would have only had seconds to see it and act on it though. He should have easily seen how unstabilized the approach was a mile out, but either he never had proper training on the Bonanza or his mind was enfeebled by senility thus failed to understand this as it was happening and the plane got way ahead of him, as Bonanzas do. She might have been not so alarmed with seeing 60 knots on the airspeed as she was in training likely on a 172 or Diamond, or just did not have time take it in and understand it. Though wouldn't the stall horn have been screaming through all of this?

[@MrBiglig]

@ A V tail Bonanza is a lot of airplane for her experience level

[@brolohalflemming7042]

I'm not a pilot, but I am learning something from these videos. When he mentioned the PIO, I was thinking "increase power and go around?". I guess there must be a temptation if you're on the runaway, sort of to try and get it on the ground rather than going around, even though that's the safer thing to do. I also think the father & daughter distracted each other. The mobile phone is just why they're so dangerous. People are so conditioned to texting and messaging they forget how distracting they are.

[@MrBiglig]

@@brolohalflemming7042 the decision to go around can be very hard when your in the moment. The runway is right there, you’ve made these landings before, and as stupid as it sounds it’s hard to imagine spending 3 more minutes in the air. After hundreds of successful landings it can bruise a pilots pride to go around. “Just land it” you think. Admittedly I’ve been halfway down a short runway still in ground effect and it didn’t occur to me until then to power up and go around because I can land but I’ll end up in the trees on the roll out. As an instructor once said, “we live and die by the decisions we make in an instant” - Lou Wipotnik, instructor emeritus

[@nicholaskennedy4310]

Ya Know what it sounds like to me was Robert was starting to suffer from Dementia / Oldtimers fade what ever you want to call it; It was his plane and he continued to make basic and serious mistakes. When you see this in others you HAVE TO take the Keys away. Living with people that are starting to go downhill you sometime don't catch this soon enough because its a slow process. I'm turning 66 next month and my pilot pals and I have a pact to pull the plug on our friends early, The impact on the families is awful..

[@robav8or]

I wondered the same thing: That he may have been experiencing some diminished mental capacity as the mistakes were very basic and inconsistent with his experience.

[@johnsoutdooradventures3293]

I was thinking the same thing, sounds like some dementia issues.

[@jhoughjr1]

Yep. 73 is too old to take ppls lives into your hands.

[@jhoughjr1]

There are things you cam do to help the brain and guard against decline. Good diet with onega-3, finding mental challenges, good sleep and exercise. Cuz when ur demented you wont lwt ppl take the keys. My dad had said the dame thing, still drove after losing his license

[@justinepaula-robilliard]

Drive + hotel, or take the damn bus.. Husband, he had no business being in the plane, with a brand new pilot and an old man, maybe of unsound competence.. He left at least 1 child without parents!! Raw as..

[@robbkiker6861]

Flew with an old corporate pilot who died of old age in his nineties. He got there by saying: That's the plan or intent when referencing a company flight. Some of the company people did not like his "lack of commitment" to a trip". If pushed too hard, he would say "Delta is ready when you are". Even up to the time of takeoff and during the flight, he would not commit to a time schedule or destination. It was: That is where and when we intend to go subject to conditions.

[@prhanson]

Sounds like he was always the most intelligent person in the room. Rest in peace old boy.

[@DrDeuteron]

well he was committed to the truth, and after watching Hoover's content--I think that may be the number on rule of flying.

[@luckyguy600]

Things can change quickly when your flying. Always best to keep re-thinking all the factors and select the best outcome for the situation at that time. No fog banks for me, either in a plane or driving a vehicle.

[@kevinheard8364]

His retort was FABULOUS!!! SO MUCH RESPECT for that man's insight (read, "common sense/street smarts")

[@artnull13]

Damn died flying into his 90’s as a corporate pilot, respect.

[@MussellRartin]

Man these debriefs make me want to avoid flying private especially with friends

[@travelwithtony5767]

Especially not with a female pilot, lmao.

[@rayhanes1347]

As it should. Private flights account for nearly all crashes, with a dozen a day worldwide. This type of stuff wouldn't be tolerated in commercial flight. You're more likely to die in an auto accident than flying every day commercial.

[@malibudan]

I see it differently, these people were unprepared for flying, it is very unforgiving.

[@leonard.l2671]

I trust myself and my plane only.

[@ellsbells9943]

I totally drive differently now! --- and I don't other people driving me

[@n5378w]

I've been flying for 22 years as a private pilot. So many people I talk to never practice go-arounds. For many years I flew with my daughter. She has her ATP as well as being a CFI. Whenever we flew, even though I have more years flying and am her Dad, I always deferred to her decision making. If she said "Dad, go-around", we did. Neither of us ever said, "No, I got this".

[@ohsweetmystery]

👍 You are to be admired. You raised a good, smart daughter and have a healthy, respectful relationship with her as an adult. We should all be so fortunate.

[@petergreenwald9639]

During my check ride many years ago, I did a go around on the short field/grass field landing phase. When the examiner asked me why I just told her I didn't like how it looked. Later, during the stall demonstration phase I got to the edge of an incipient spin regime. I instantly recovered and she interrogated me a bit about that mistake. I did get my temporary, paper license that day. I think the lesson here is "excellent decision making trumps excellent airmanship most of the time."

[@FlyWithMe_666]

11:35 “Poor communication is a sign that you’re losing situational awareness.” - so true. I’m not a pilot, but experienced this in radio communications in the military, both for myself and listening to others. Once you get stressed, exhausted, insecure you start making simple mistakes like mixing up coordinates or call signs. This is a sign that you need to take a deep breath and calm down, and maybe ask for assistance.

[@recoilrob324]

Good point and why someone could call in their own coordinates for an artillery or air strike....which has happened. Humans are a fallible lot.

[@fajile5109]

I would make call outs in games to my friends and they would just not hear me. I wonder if the brain just ignores your ears when your eyes get to much input?

[@chicketychina8447]

Very true what you say .. Death by Ego.. . it's very common in aviation...

[@hawk1481]

@@fajile5109 a lot to do with it being 73 years old his hearing was probably going. He was spending more time on trying to understand what he was hearing, then flying the plane. In 1979 my polite license were pulled due to hearing loss in my left ear now both at 65. I still fly but with a license polite next to me.

[@markmcgoveran6811]

You got that military mental illness thing going poor communication is a sign that you are not functioning well for the military. Situational awareness is not dependent on communication military function is dependent on communication. Hoover's a great example of this. He's always taking a cheap shot at the national transportation safety board as if they have anything in common with his hobby. I hear him say I guess I guess I guess all the time and then he says the national transportation safety board is too slow and its investigation because they function on conclusions from the evidence gathered instead of a guess to sell views on KZbin.

[@mmatejka01]

This one was tough. But I am glad you did it. I hope others learn from your videos.

[@roderickcampbell2105]

Agree. But everyone of these is tough. I believe that the point is to save lives. But a young woman lost is certainly tragic.

[@lovetofly32]

​@@roderickcampbell2105WTH!? A mid 30s female is more important than two other men why?! 🤔

[@CaptainRon1913]

@@roderickcampbell2105 A child who will never know his/her parents or grandfather

[@Just.A.T-Rex]

Hope can I get the airplane on my user name?

[@vickicali]

@@Just.A.T-Rexwhat do you mean?

[@samiraperi467]

Sounds like daddy shouldn't have been flying.

[@Nicholas-f5]

he was impatient as she was likely annoying him over her friends schedule

[@rebelrog]

I'd be willing to bet he was on medications. He was probably a good pilot and that's why she trusted him, not realizing he'd taken his medications that morning. It's not politically correct to say seniors taking medications shouldn't be driving or flying, but they shouldn't. I know from experience, I work with them, he sounded confused just like my clients get.

[@ysmithriley]

That's what I came here to say‼️ Why oh why didn't Shauna retain control of the plane‼️😭😭😭

[@FK-we1dp]

Yeah he sounded like he had dementia wtf

[@rustyschackleford5800]

Time for Millennials to take charge.

[@Alex-Isayev]

I was there for this one. I used to teach out of Nut Tree (KVCB), and we took pretty advanced students to Angwin. That airport is no joke. Short, very narrow, very tall trees on both end. You need to come in just above minimum control speed, definitely within the realm of 1.3 VSO. If you weren’t on the ground in the first 1/3 then you MUST go around. This dude was known to come in too high and dive steep, coming in too hot on final. A bunch of his old school buddies were posting on V35B chat for a while. And the ADSB data proves it. They hit the prop too, and from what I know lost a blade tip or two. Definitely bad one.

[@gawebm]

You are spot on. I've landed here a few times and the visual perspective is strange. It's on a mountaintop on a short ridge which makes altitude perception difficult. It's easy to come in too low, or too high. The runway is narrow! Also screwing with your mind are the buildings that are seemingly right at the very end of the runway, which never happens, There's a unusual slope to this runway which further adds to the challenges of landing here. The whole sight picture is weird and can be very confusing unless you are familiar with it. I almost crashed my Cardinal here one night when my IFR instructor thought this would be a good place to practice a night landing. I'm pretty sure he never took another student here at night. You are spot on about flying your numbers precisely and being ready for a go around if it doesn't look right. I landed here not long ago in good weather and 30 years of experience. The damn runway still got my attention and I was more focused than usual on every aspect of the approach and landing.

[@waynemanning3262]

I flew floatplanes commercially on the coast of British Columbia for my whole career. The weather was and is always a major concern on the coast and the difficulty lies in telling your customers that their plans and itineraries aren’t going to go as planned. Being diplomatic and not scaring the customers was the biggest challenge I had, however, when I explained to them that being a day late was better than being twenty years early it usually sunk in and you could see the realization on their faces that to not go at that time was the best plan.

[@planedude67]

Years ago as a young student pilot I too got myself into a situation like this. On a solo cross country I found myself way too high on base leg because of the pattern the controller had me fly. I decided to slip the plane to lose altitude and flying an unstable approach. After the first bounce I remembered my instructor telling me days before to always fly the plane so I applied power and lowered the nose to gain airspeed. I made the flight back home and my instructor and I talked about what happened to cause the issue and it started with the unstable approach. That flight scared me but it also taught me a valuable lesson that I still use today. Always fly the plane.

[@jamesa5720]

Great post! I posted above that I don't have power experience but I did fly sailplanes in the 80's. Initially, I flew the club's easy to land 1-26 with maybe a 22 to 1 glide ratio and solid landing brakes/spoilers. I eventually bought a Std Libelle with a 40 to 1 glide ratio, and propensity to float from ground lift and no flaps. Since you couldn't be short, you had to approach with plenty of speed and altitude and slipping was in your arsenal.

[@DrDeuteron]

what is "an unstable approach"? (Duh, I know it's an approach....but is "unstable" a standard modifier? If so why? If not, what is the instability?

[@ulbuilder]

​@DrDeuteron an unstable approach is when you are not at the proper speed, centerline, altitude, course or aircraft configuration that you should be at any specific distance from the runway.

[@ulbuilder]

I had two instructors, the one that signed me off for my cross country solo had always taught me, if you bounce, no matter how small, go around. They were both at the airport when I returned. I bounced and went around. The airplane could land in 200ft, the runway was one mile long. The instructor that signed me off said great go around, the other asked why i didn't just land on the 5000ft of runway after the bounce. I said because if I bounce I go around and try again not try to recover a flawed approach ans landing.

[@pgrvloik]

@@DrDeuteron speed (horizontal and vertical) and trajectory, especialy on final. I never hesitate to do a go around when I'm not stabilized on short final or something goes wrong during the flare.

[@JDCUSA]

A LOT of people have no business trying to become pilots. I am one of them. My dad was a WWII Helldiver pilot and DFC recipient. I did not inherit his ability nor his desire to be a pilot. I admire great pilots and I have an interest in aviation however I do not particularly enjoy flying even as a passenger. Hoover’s commentary is the best on KZbin in my opinion.

[@ylekiote99999]

Agree 100%. I took flying lessons many years ago when my children were still very young. I realized after a few lessons that I just wasn't detail oriented enough to continue. I quit and let others do my flying for me.

[@speteydog2260]

Me either. My father was a pilot and learned how to fly in the Air Force. He wanted me to get my license. But I said no way.

[@yvonneerrend8217]

Never... So agree 👍

[@Trevor_Austin]

@JDCUSA I disagree with you. The only thing against you being a pilot is that you have no desire as you don’t enjoy flying. Recognising this attribute makes you suitable to be one. The level of ability required to be a pilot is very low, even for commercial flying. I was a pretty average pilot and all I ever did is fly in such a way that I didn’t spill my tea. Most of flying is nothing to do with the actual process of pulling levers, twiddling knobs and pressing buttons. It’s all about putting your brain ahead of the aircraft and keeping well away from the corners in the sky.

[@captainnathan1164]

Yea unfortunately some people have the passion but not the brains or spine for it

[@Emzzz78]

Thank you, Hoover. You’re so valuable in the aviation community.

[@matthew-jy5jp]

If you are not an investigative journalist you are something very much like it my friend. These videos are so thoroughly done and researched. You could literally call yourself a journalist

[@tomjenni1555]

I am not nor ever have been a pilot. As a wilderness guide I am very interested in the root causes of accidents and how to avoid them. Your debriefs continue to be amazing and fundamental analyses of what went wrong. Hubris, power dynamics, who's in charge, get there-itis are really hard to avoid! Thanks for the excellent, sensitive and humble content.

[@LadiboiJoy]

Women

[@scottwilliam7251]

You are doing the aviation industry a great service with this channel. I am no pilot (20 hours) But it would seem flying aircraft safely is all about preparation, being ahead of the aircraft and each segment of flight. Great Job Dude!

[@craigdk586]

And risk management

[@georgeedward1226]

At the risk of pointing out the blatantly obvious, a pilot's mental energy should be focused solely on flying the plane safely. Worrying about meet ups at the airport while you're still in the air is extremely irresponsible.

[@ryansta]

A very human mistake though, in an environment as you say you need to be completely focused on the flight and conditions.

[@chrisstromberg6527]

Monday morning quarterback much!?

[@giacomosemiglia2793]

It is not irresponsible: it is human. I’m a professional pilot: sometimes you need a lot of self discipline to keep you, while flying, “away” from your life

[@PunkrockNoir-ss2pq]

Women can do anything

[@fajile5109]

If distractions in a car can lead to a crash its obvious that those distractions need to be more so ignored in a plane.

[@tonypitsacota2513]

I sold my Porsche 992 Turbo to a wealthy older rich guy from South Florida. I wanted to demonstrate a few things I learned about the car: He told me, "I've owned Porsches since before you were born." 4 weeks later, I bought the car from his widow for spare parts.

[@globalimpactsyndicate666]

930 turbos (rear) have been the so called widow makers… as well as the ktm 380 2 stroke… both from my home austria, like diamond and rotax… and glock!!!

[@kunletimothy261]

Porsche is indeed widow maker​@@globalimpactsyndicate666

[@annanardo2358]

He took advantage of the Porche's abilities, those are like damn race cars. He did the James Dean impersonation, and turned both himself AND that car into dust. 😵😵😵😵😡😡😠😠😱😱😱😱😱

[@RWR-nq4gd]

r/thathappened

[@pollylewis9611]

This one was hard to get through, but so important to show us how this could have happened, thank you Hoover for all of your hard work for more great information on your debriefs.

[@thehark6247]

sad sad sad, Dad was confused for a long while before killing everybody, daughter was TOO respectful, and now an orphan was born.

[@jaypesca8752]

She was supposed to be the pilot but was out of her depth. Her dad should have never had to touch the controls. You are out of line saying he killed everyone on board.

[@tb6031]

The daughter seemed to be the one distracting her father.

[@Bill_Woo]

Dad ill-kayed all of them and it's disturbing you repliers don't "get" that. He was supposed to be the adult in the room, and annunciating his decision process. If incapable of such annunciation, it illustrates how he was over his head in flying in the first place, and should have said, "you fly it" and just provided advice and task delegation. But he made every command decision, and ill-kayed all of them. How can you not get that. He also made error after error and you call the crew reporting that a "distraction"? Phew.

[@hangarnut5660]

This like all the briefs are tough to hear. I am glad to be able to hear and review these conversations. Being able to recognize your limits and arming yourself with other peoples experience to draw upon is top tier

[@wlnegrini]

I'm not a pilot, but I like to watch your videos. The core of the lessons you give through them is suitable for many situations in life. Thanks for the video.

[@sophocles1198]

Agree, there are valuable lessons even if your vehicle of choice is a bicycle :)

[@tylerlaforce]

Same here. Really enjoy these

[@juju1896]

Same

[@mycb1993]

Yes! The quiet reassuring voice in my head …

[@crisprtalk6963]

I am impressed that you are able to put out a new video every week and still do your day job.

[@Nicholas-f5]

it's a good service and side income

[@brianmorrison7542]

Once again, Grim Reaper, your name is Ego

[@chicketychina8447]

Absolutely .. 1 million % Inability to say... "I need help". 1 bounce you're below average talent... 4 bounces... you're clueless

[@darrellhicks360]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@JustAThought155]

You have made the best assessment and debrief of this horrible situation, in my opinion.

[@brianmorrison7542]

@@JustAThought155 as long as people continue to mold the situation to themselves, rather than the reverse...

[@416London]

Just absolutely spot on. How many people have died in history do you suppose, because of ego? The number would probably be genuinely shocking

[@guymerritt4860]

Well, that was depressing. Some 73-year olds are not all 73-year olds. He can't even remain clear on how to key the mike and he's the pilot in command. Oooh boy.

[@alanvanoutten2994]

Sad ending to a lovely couple and father. It’s always tough for kids, no matter how old will look to parents for support and advice. My own daughter likes flying and if and when she takes lessons it will not be with me. RIP and thank you Hoover for a well prepared, presented and emotionally sensitive video.

[@gwiyomikim5988]

Dad had some age related cognitive issues(?), family dynamic of daughter deferring to dad, PLUS many distractions! Very sad.

[@7CharlesV]

Yep, it appears that most of her communication with her father was in a tentative manner, not as it should have been with her as PIC. And his unspoken attitude of, "Well she's just my little girl; surely I should be the one to get us down safely." instead of being such a hard head and letting his daughter fly the plane! I cannot imagine the heartbreak of her friends that she was texting. Absolutely no doubt that they would have been totally understanding of any necessary change in plans. They certainly would have rather had her with them later, and alive!

[@Gracelesshearts]

And also him not wanting to let his daughter down too it sounds like.

[@Pachyzookeeper]

Im a student pilot myself, after watching this i could just see the get-there-itis issues, and while she did seem more competent she had alot more to learn before flying somewhere with a deadline. The way my instructor explained it to me is “if you arent sure if weather will get better the day before, and your not IFR rated, dont risk it because while you may think you can divert with enough fuel, go around clouds, your going to be thinking of your appointment and thatll put you in danger” To me (from the position of hindsight and as a studdnt) if i had to keep telling my dad the runway heading 3 times and he was losing track of where the runway was, i personally would have taken over. Again this is easy to say not being in the situation and only hearing about it but its still a huge tragedy

[@As_A________Commenter]

“Taking over” is easy to say as an outside observer. She was a new pilot with not much more experience than you have now. She was also flying a new type of airplane for her. This airplane was also both high performance, as well as complex, both of which require endorsements, which it seems she did not have. It’s not a matter of her taking over command of the airplane, but that she should not have been flying it in the first place. He was flying from the right seat, which no matter how much experience you have in an airplane takes some time to get comfortable with. Add to that distractions in the cockpit and flying to an unfamiliar place without updated weather. He should have flown from the left seat, she should have sought proper instruction in the plane before taking the controls, and both should have minimized distractions.

[@jhoughjr1]

Were i to fly id focus on IFR but im used to managing numbers

[@Stealth86651]

Yeah, I've put off travel for weather just driving, I can't imagine ignoring weather when you're a new pilot and not even IFR rated. Just zero reason to risk it, whether you care about your life or money, or both, you're risking too much.

[@Nicholas-f5]

doing instruction was also dangerous

[@glasshalffull2930]

Lots of things going on in this one. They probably had her in the left seat to get more experience. Not a bad idea, but much, much more wisely done on flights with no deadline and flights in familiar areas. Also, with a new airport, my protocol is to fly over it a thousand feet above the landing pattern to get a good view of the airport and then swing around to enter the pattern. As for flying with a family member that is a pilot and senior to you and has more experience, adds another dynamic. Once during a night landing with my father piloting, I had to almost yell to him several times that he was “high and hot” on final for him to finally abort. I think he was tired after a long day flying and just wanted to land ASAP and get home. As a new pilot, have the mind set of being prepared to identify these things that can distract you from flying the plane the safest way possible.

[@richardcatalinajr.369]

"steep authority gradient" in the cockpit. Adding that to my vocabulary. Thank you, Hoover, for another excellent debrief. IMHO (I am not a pilot), the cause of the accident was not the steep angle of attack and stall, but everything that led up to and caused that final fatal factor. Including the steep authority gradient. And, I will never understand why pilots schedule or time events on the assumption that the flight will proceed as smoothly as a drive in the car to the corner drugstore.

[@karens1967]

Yes. Based on Hoover's take on what happened, I agree that "steep authority gradient" was probably a factor. There was a deadly crash a few years ago of a commercial airliner. The airline was of asian origin, a country whose culture severely frowned on the questioning of decisions made by a perceived higher authority. Sorry, I don't remember which country. The transcript from the black box revealed that the co-pilot's correct suggestion to the pilot that something was amiss was not only vehemently rejected by the pilot, but also that the pilot severely berated and scolded the co-pilot for speaking up. After the deadly crash, the airline overhauled its training to ensure a professional and collegiate back-and-forth method of communication between equals in the cockpit.

[@SteveAubrey1762]

I really appreciate this channel. I'm not a pilot...yet. I have been a lifelong aviation enthusiast, and at 61, I hope to start flight training soon. However, I want to be the safest pilot possible or not at all. What I find most interesting is the hours the old guy had yet how susceptible we all can be to little mistakes that can be ones undoing.

[@naturalverities]

@@SteveAubrey1762 better hurry Steve, according to some commenters here you only have 4 years of basic competence remaining. On your 65th birthday it all goes out the window. 🙄

[@Starfish2145]

You are too old to take up this extremely complicated hobby that requires incredibly sharp mental calculations and decisions

[@naturalverities]

Oops, spoke too soon, you're already too incompetent according to Starfish 2145, who is undoubtedly a pilot as well as an expert on aging.

[@benhartart9487]

When your flying a plane, best to give it your 100% focus and attention, friends can wait til you arrive…IF you arrive. Be Safe everyone

[@leonard.l2671]

From the sound of it.. a simple and straight forward decision to go around even before touching the runway!

[@bostonkiter1010]

Absolutely fantastic debrief, as for usual. I’m consistently astounded that the NTSB doesn’t protocolize CRM factors into their reports. Hoover has a laser pointer aimed at what is fundamentally missing. Well done, sir.

[@seeingeyegod]

well GA pilots are not officially a crew so that makes sense.

[@bostonkiter1010]

@@seeingeyegod *Cockpit Resource Management

[@rustyc6805]

Fly the bloody aircraft forget the phone, Jesus it is so infuriating how people think flying is some kind of game

[@jswap1]

You get that the phone user wasn't the one who crashed the plane, right?

[@juju1896]

Her father took over the landing. That got them all killed.

[@deathlarsen7502]

Same with driving how many idiots are on the road texting

[@bellboy4074]

She wasn't flying when the crashed.

[@floxy20]

The husband should have said "Shove over you two, I'LL fly the damned plane."

[@michaelporter8242]

If time was so critical they should have left the day before. Rent a car instead of relying on friends that you have to worry about. Do not put external events above safety. Good debrief.

[@williamhastie5056]

Hoover. I wonder how many pilots lives you’re saving with these videos? It’s like a weekly training exercise and gathering of knowledge. Keep up the amazing work. Best wishes from Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@anonnymowse]

Probably not as many as you hope. Most of these debriefs are about situations that pilots should have known better. Chiefly, if you are vfr and you see bad weather ahead, then turn back. But no. They always fly right into it.

[@davidf2244]

​​@@anonnymowseyou've made it sound like surely he's helping an awful lot... I guess in your fantasy, people are idiots and idiots can't be helped. Or some such nonsense.

[@antony1397]

@@davidf2244 If you think most people aren't idiots, YOU can't be helped. The people who need to watch this won't be watching this. It's entertainment, this isn't making anybody safer. Let's say this old bastard saw a video like this, do you honestly think he'd change? Of course not. Grow up.

[@smithnyiu]

I got into a PIO as a student pilot on my first cross country, trying to land at the first airport. I had no idea what was happening, or why. Luckily my instinct was to get back into the air. I powered up, bounced one time in the desert parallel to the runway and got airborne. Pure luck I didn't damage the airplane or worse. This was before the internet. Before Hoover and others, teaching us things like this. I am guessing you have already saved some lives doing these videos. Thank you for doing these.

[@wjatube]

I was young just out of school working my first job for a company owned by a pilot. We would fly everywhere for business. I recall on many occasions coming close to treetops and low clouds just before landing and the relief on my bosses face whenever we landed safely. I was too young and naive to understand the danger but decades later I realize that these sort of accidents don't happen on the first risky attempt. Instead, there were probably 10 other questionable flights that were barely survived that probably influenced the tragedy of a fatal flight.

[@IncogNito-gg6uh]

@@wjatube Great comment! There is often a pattern of behavior that relates to an incident!

[@IncogNito-gg6uh]

Before the internet and KZbin videoes there were books like "Stick and Rudder" by Wolfgang Langewiesche, or magazines like "Flying" with articles such as "I Learned About Flying From That," and articles and books by one of the editors, Richard Collins. Those three sources helped me understand a lot of things my instructors weren't getting through to me on, or I was too dense to understand.

[@ShannonDove-sy7ye]

​@@IncogNito-gg6uhalso, didn't those magazines have accident reports, similar to what Hoover is doing?

[@InnocentPotato-pd7wi]

OMG! A new mother! 🤔🤔🤔🙄🙄🙄My brother-in -law quit scuba driving when he became a parent ! I am very thankful he did that!

[@johnqdoe]

Lifestyle was more important than life.

[@matthewc5019]

And they filmed the whole thing...

[@sarahalbers5555]

Smart move on your brother in law's part. I gave it up years ago, still love snorkeling - you can see just as much with very little risk level.

[@kevinmoffatt]

Another example of someone in way over their head. If flying without her father that family would still be alive today.

[@jhoughjr1]

Yeah it seems ahe made the right calls just not with authority and assettiveness. Something hard worh parent child

[@SukiKnight]

I’ll get in a small plane right after I go caving… i.e. never.

[@cwegren1]

Caving while scuba diving! I'll never understand (willingly) entering a situation with little to no options for an alive outcome. There are pilots that can fly me in a small plane, and caves to explore with a level of safety. As Dirty Harry said "A man's got to know his limitations".

[@sarahalbers5555]

Cave diving- nope, just nope.

[@hatuletoh]

When I was in high school I had three friends who committed suicide, and within just a few years after that two more died in separate accidents. Seeing how wrecked the families of those dead friends were, and still are, and probably always will be, really made me realize that my life wasn't just my own. I had to take care of myself mentally and physically, and most of all I had to stay alive, because my death would destroy the happiness of the people who cared about me, and those were the people whom, of course, I cared about more than anything in the world. But when I became a parent my understanding about how my well-being was forever and inextirpably tied to the well-being of the people I loved was magnified to a level I never would have believed possible. One of my kids is a stepson whose biological father is deceased, and he's just beginning to reach the age where he has questions, some of which I can answer, but some that I cannot and never will be able to. Anyway, my point is that throughout this whole video I was thinking about the child who was thankfully not on board the plane but who will grow up never knowing his/her parents or grandfather. Then one day that kid will be old enough to read the NTSB report, and watch a video like this, and that kid will know that his/her parents and grandfather died on a lark of a day trip with no more important purpose than to drink wine with some friends. That kid won't even have the comfort of being able to say, "my parents died doing their duty, fighting for our country, protecting innocent lives, doing a risky job that needed to be done for the greater good of society," etc. Hopefully that kid does not think, "wasn't I more important than a tour at a winery?" but one could hardly be surprised if his/her thoughts turned in that direction. I realize no one climbs aboard an airplane expecting to die, and I also realize that flying isn't an inherently unsafe activity when done correctly, but I can't help feeling that maybe if pilot mom had been more worried about staying alive--and keeping her child's father sitting in the backseat alive--rather than the feelings and ego of her own father and co-pilot, she might have made any one of a number of possible decisions at any point in the sequence of events leading up to the crash that could have prevented the crash from occurring, including, perhaps, simply not planning a trip that had any possibility of taxing her nascent piloting skills beyond their limits. I'm not casting judgement, just lamenting a very unfortunate and irrevocable event, which will have lifelong consequences for other victims of the crash who were nowhere near the plane, most of all the couple's child. I can picture those lifelong consequences with disturbing clarity, and I only wish the people involved had clearly pictured them too.

[@ked1224]

@hatuletoh's comment should be pinned as the first in this thread.

[@AN-nt3uv]

No texting while driving and don't ever think of this while flying, especially an approach plus unclear weather conditions.

[@sectorcodec]

Don’t text but it’s okay to pull up an approach plate and stare at that?

[@styner3]

I hate it when people text and drive but texting and flying is crazy.

[@fimmyk]

Not even that - her husband was at the back, why was it important for her to be the one texting? her husband could have been the one texting and updating her friends etc. I dont understand why she was obssessed on her being the one to text

[@davebox588]

@@fimmyk Hard to say, but as she respected her Dad as a pilot and had got her license to partly please him, she was clearly deferring to him. At the same time he was sounding like he might be losing his mental acuity. Tragic.

[@billysoccerboypayne]

It is an addiction.

[@deew7014]

@@davebox588I’m 73 , my reaction and thought process is not at all what it was even 10 years ago . Got to accept it and take things a bit slower

[@user-xu5vl5th9n]

Especially for PIC who was aware of the risk of distractions, mind boggling.

[@user-gl9iz1bp1r]

Tragic. “Nothing is as inevitable as a mistake whose time has come.” ~ Tussman’s Law.

[@dpendley1]

The dynamics of a family member in the cockpit can really be difficult. Pilot in command is an ethos that needs to be honored and maintained. my heart is broken as the father of two daughters hearing this story. It seemed like pilot in command/father/daughter was moving back-and-forth throughout the flight. That bonanza is an awful lot of plane for a less than 100 hour pilot. Obviously, he even struggled with not knowing the limits of that plane.

[@tomjones2348]

Excellent and very edifying. Thank you, Hoover! My wife and I are not pilots, but love aircraft, and visit our local private airport 15 minutes from us several times a week, just to watch the student pilots. Your videos are life lessons.

[@iam_Banksy]

Better to arrive late than dead. I don't get why she was so worried about her friends meeting them at the airport. It was only 40 minutes, they could have waited to land and then tell them to pick them up. 3 dead and an orphaned baby because of impatience. Its crazy!

[@juliedepaolo9971]

I have always thought this about JFK Jr. He could have waited until morning.

[@653j521]

@@juliedepaolo9971 And most of the other small plane crashes.

[@meggy0]

While I totally agree with you, I think the reason she was so worried was that the friends were picking them up and they were all going on the tour. Considering she was also worried about getting to the tour on time, it makes sense. So if she messaged when they landed then that may have been too late - and they all would have missed this tour. Not justifying it but to me, that makes the most sense.

[@nitrosrt4]

damn, new question/thought. did the friends watch them crash?

[@Boslandschap1]

Thank you again Hoover for your analysis. Though each story is someone's profound tragedy, they deliver incredibly useful information for future pilots. We can never prevent tragedy as that's seems to be the nature of reality, we can however take notice of what structures lead to accidents and learn from it to limit future risk as well as possible. Any current and aspiring pilot would do well to think about these accidents, reflect about how they relate to their own flying and literally take care.

[@jimmydulin928]

Thanks Hoover. There were many situational awareness and management issues we can learn from this. We are military and have trained for when the tactical situation becomes fluid, but the school solution is to demand normalcy and stabilization. It is hard to determine how to best help less experienced pilots. It is easier to evaluate comfort and currency and competence for IMC hand flying. There are so many variables where pitch, yaw, and roll are not limited and ATC is not there and airspeed, altitude, and procedural track are not set in stone and protected. Flying physically is so much easier than driving or operating equipment, but the fluidity of the tactical situation is so much greater. I know altitude is time and safety, but I lived low in small airplanes my entire career. Low altitude orientation VFR is zoom reserve airspeed except for a slow approach and stay in contact with the earth. Too high and too fast to make either a runway or a survivable field just doesn't compute for me.

[@annteve]

Wow! That was one subject matter expert addressing another with the greatest economy of precise terminology. It showcases, a) the degree of technical complexity that attaches to competently flying, and b) Hoover’s ability to translate that technical complexity into understandable explanations for the layman.

[@FarikoUnited1]

The logic about diverting and losing the tour if they had to divert is an interesting one examining after the fact. With no instrument rating if the weather was bad enough to require a divert wouldnt it still have remained bad enough to not be right to fly a tour in anyways? Like even if you rely on breaks in the clouds it seems like a poor mixture to tempt fate that way.

[@reneehouser2925]

I haven't set foot on a plane since 2013 and will never fly again. Prior to that it has been my favorite thing to do with millions of miles of air travel including flying lessons for me and my kids. Then my son became an ATC-S, military first, then FAA. I hope I never need a medevac either. I'm happy to be a spectator at the air shows and visit all the hangars/ museums every chance I get (many road trips!) 😊 Much gratitude for all US military aviators!!! Y'all are a special breed! 💪🇺🇸 much respect

[@rrnonya5472]

So, fly the plane safely 1st, then once you arrive safely, figure out the "plans" after touch down. Your best laid plans don't matter if you are dead... Sad, but cautionary tale.

[@PeterStaniforth]

Another major contributing factor was the fact that her dad was too old. Her dad was getting flustered and confused even with the simple things that come naturally to a pilot, and that resulted in them being killed. It's something that's so tragically obvious, but nobody wants to admit.

[@prhanson]

Especially in this case. She had to tell him the runway like 5 times in a row. That seems like he was actually way beyond the point where he should be flying. It is one thing if he misses it the first or second time but that many times is too much, his age and cognitive decline were majority factor here. She absolutely should have been on the controls, they would have had a much better chance.

[@markmcgoveran6811]

I think you're flustered! Are you old enough to be flustered? Maybe it wasn't his age, probably was his race. So this antique dinosaur, was mansplaining? The problem was caused by his age not his race not his gender isn't there something left disability maybe?

[@Oxnaf]

Absolutely right. There's nothing wrong with getting old, but there is something wrong with them flying a plane. ATC has to retire at 55, because it's proven beyond that age, more and more mistakes happened.

[@markmcgoveran6811]

@Oxnaf there's a difficulty here with you unfortunately their this man is an individual citizen of the United States so we don't just count off his age on his right to participate in things that he has earned. Your comment about the air traffic controller is just like every other kind of oppressive right-wing hate monger. What's your case for limiting the race and gender and age of people who are allowed to fly airplanes? It's probably just as ugly as the other argument you made and that's okay you got to live with you. Are there any disabled people allowed to be air traffic controllers? There seems to be an awful lot of people who reflect the Sun a great deal more than others in the air traffic controller game. So you need somebody who reflects a lot of light to fly an airplane because that's what kind of person is an air traffic controller? Of course we have you here a developmentally disabled person with the right to come on here. You do realize air traffic controllers are employees and they have rules about who they can fire that are inherently different than the rules about who can get a license to do something as a citizen?

[@davebox588]

@@Oxnaf Absolutely. Nothing wrong with aging but you have to recognise how it's affecting you. I gave up flying years ago and I have to admit that mental calcs like crosswind allowance, off-track etc. that I used to do in a heartbeat, I have to work at now. OMGosh, she was trying so hard to live up to her Dad but in the end that deference killed them all. Made me really sad.

[@DA-bp8lf]

I’ve learned from watching your videos and other videos like yours, that the worse thing to do as a pilot, is making your schedule of events, the priority. Instead of flying yourself and your passengers safely to the destination. Another death, proving the statistics correctly.

[@jmizzonini]

That’s where the saying “got time to spare? Go by air” comes from

[@chrisklest1238]

We see this on the roads too. People drive incredibly too fast for conditions.

[@rodneybland3616]

Tragic. Daughter deferred to her father with more experience. But it is clear that he had pushed the limits routinely given his preference for a higher than recommend approach speed. Only a review of his medical record could indicate possible age related dementia. If Shauna had a little more confidence, she could have taken back command of the plane.

[@dennisjans4547]

I just started watching this and had to pause it. At the 1 minute mark, it is explained that the female pilot had a Private Pilot's license and the investigation found that she had 27 hours total time at the time of the accident. How can that be? Even if she had some unlogged hours, how did she acquire a PPL with 27 hours total hours logged?

[@Alex000113]

Tragic. Learned a new term, 'steep authority gradient'...yeah we often arent at our best when family watching. Maybe insist on a written checklist/plan when distractions possible. Food for thought. Thx !

[@annetaylor1668]

Thank you for the video. Hope it saves others from making similar mistakes but this was very hard to swallow.

[@jennylouis60]

This happens more often than we think. It’s not a bus on the road. You cannot just figure it out. Experience and judgement… not much here.

[@Longbow7771]

A lot to consider when flying. Learning to recognize distractions, situations that could lead to disaster and what it means to be pilot in command. Each video is such a great learning tool. Helps keep us sharp. Definitely helps when planning cross country flights with friends and family. Thanks for the videos Hoover!

[@Aviatorpeck1957]

Thank you Hoover!!! I always learn something when you do these Debriefs...

[@mycb1993]

And it’s not about flying- it’s life lessons

[@2Phast4Rocket]

It look to me the old man didn't fly his airplane very often. This is the same pattern with many older Bonanza owners. They had many hours on lower performance Cessna and such and when they got older, they could afford to own Bonanza. Yet they rarely practice flying their birds. At my field, there are a lot of fast Bonanza, Mooney, and Cirrus. Yet, you don't often see them flying, or even flying in the pattern. When they fly, they enter the pattern very fast, turning base leg fast and somehow made it to landing. On the descend from cruise, they chop the power on the downwind instead of slowing down to pattern speed before getting into the pattern, they got behind because the airplanes were still too fast to land.

[@MattyEngland]

Boomers gonna boomer.

[@seeingeyegod]

@@MattyEngland Give us a break with that age-ism. Airmanship has little and less to do with what generation you happen to come from.

[@MattyEngland]

@@seeingeyegod Give us a break from your ism tears.

[@joshualandry3160]

In other words, they fly the aircraft exactly as they where trained to. Unfortunately this problem doesn't shine a light on age. It shines its light on deficiencies in training. They enter the pattern fast because a 172 won't fly very vast and it will slow down on a dime. They turn too tightly because they are told the correct pattern is the one a 172 flights. And they land fast because they are told it is safer to carry extra speed on landing than to land too slow. They also don't know how to handle their engines. You will see a lot of owners will open their cowlings to cool the engine and avoid vapor lock. That is because a hot start on a Lycoming and a Continental are very different and the person teaching them to fly their new airplane didn't know that. You will also hear them talking about shock cooling. It isn't really a thing to begin with but they can be religious about preventing it. The problem is in large part the baby CFIs who simply don't know what they don't know.

[@RubyS.1]

I remember this one. The shitty thing is that Right outside of the valley Napa sets in is typically clear and there's three airports within 30 minutes drive it's just unfortunate

[@BamaCyn]

Good morning Hoover. Always look forward to your Sunday morning debriefs 💙🙏

[@carlosville]

That was rough. I’m wondering what others think about both parents flying with a fairly new pilot.

[@jerryf3307]

HOVER, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO PROVIDE A VERY DETAILED AND THOROUGH DEBRIEF. AT A MINIMUM YOUR VIDEOS HAVE EDUCATED MANY NEW AND OLDER PILOTS AND I BET HAVE SAVED MANY LIVES. BEING A PREVIOUS USAF PILOT AND AIRLINE PILOT FOR OVER 40 YEARS, I TOO HAVE PICKED UP A LESSON OR TWO WATCHING YOUR VIDEOS (AS I HAVE TOLD MANY YOUNGER PILOTS, AVIATION AND BEING A PILOT IS A NEVER ENDING LESSON) !

[@BIBuildy]

Your caps lock is on.

[@leog007888]

This is such a tragic one, really felt for the infant

[@TheBeingReal]

What a cluster of both pilots.

[@aaronbrown6266]

Her dad had over 2200 hours. How is that "low"? This was poor CRM and unclear definition of who is PIC.

[@jhoughjr1]

Daddy daughter teams seem dangerous. Many end up dying together

[@69spook]

You missed the word f👀k ....

[@juju1896]

@@aaronbrown6266the father said, “let me have it," meaning land the plane. They both knew he was PIC at that point. Hours clearly were irrelevant considering his fatal landing. I agree it was overall cluster of both pilots. In boat handling, I made the mistake of agreeing to give my helm to the older male, more experienced friend when he announced he wanted it for docking in weather. He didn’t ask or confer, he told me, just like this dad. I later realized I was the better prepared and should have said no but as a female that option was never modeled for me and never crossed my mind. Now I know better. All women need to learn this. It’s still way too common.

[@katjay3125]

Zero hours in this plane

[@aeg_125]

If it was important to get there, flying commercial would have been the best choice. You can’t rush when you’re learning and new at something. RIP to the family 💔 poor baby 🙏

[@donmoore7785]

The daughter probably felt confident because her father was there. Yet dad for whatever reason appears to have been way off his A game that day.

[@8beazy]

As someone that has dreamed of flying my entire life and through the many blessings of God now actually has the financial resources for flight school as well as my dream replica warplane, (F8F Barecat) I now know that building this baby will be the only feasible dream! Not flying it. That’s what I’m good at. Building and engineering. I’ve watched every,, single,, one,, of your videos and the margin for error is sooooooo damn minuscule that risking it all at 43 years old just might not be the best idea for me. I have made a ton of new friends in my EAA local group and meetups so I’m still getting my aviation fix. Thanks for all of these incredibly informative videos.

[@motorv8N]

Devastating but spot on debrief as usual, Hoover. The best thing my step-father did was take the advice of a commercial pilot friend when - after musing about how he might get a float plane for weekend trips to the cabin - his pilot buddy said, “I know you and you don’t have the patience for that. You will end up killing yourself and your family trying to get back for work on Monday in marginal weather.” Amazingly, dad listened and stuck to ground-based transportation.

[@mikehuskey9098]

This one is incredibly tragic. I just want to cry.

[@KimtheElder]

First non-pilot thoughts: . That poor baby 😢 . That poor friend who upon hearing the news was probably yelling into the sky, I wouldn't have been mad! why did you keep going? You would be alive. . Family dynamics remain, no matter how old we get. . HOOVER: All of the things you could tell and yet NTSB didn't catch them. They must never look at social media or ownership records🤷🏻‍♀️. The fact that you caught the steering column / keying mic combination, and they didn't shows me if I were ever in a crash, I would want you to do the investigation. Thank you Hoover for all you do. I've been watching you from the beginning 👍🏼

[@jhoughjr1]

Hoover is definitely the guy u want flying u. Or 74 crew. Both inspire confidence

[@Nicholas-f5]

I asked my congressman to look into NTSB thoroughness

[@PghGameFix]

I'm working on my CFI right now. Flying from the right is A LOT more different than people realize.

[@aaronbrown6266]

Unless you do it all the time, it's not a good idea. I'm as comfortable in the right seat as the left, but it took time and practice.

[@jhoughjr1]

Now i wanna know what is ao disorienting about it. Are the cockpits that asymmetrical? With no lanes or traffic rules idk what it would be really. Is it just muscle memory?

[@jmizzonini]

@@jhoughjr1 flying relies so much on sight picture , landings and takeoffs feel very different the other side. Plus now your throttle hand is the left hand. Imagine a car where you get in the opposite side you are used to but ALSO the brake and throttle pedals are reversed so you have to learn to accelerate with your left foot and brake with your right. Takes practice

[@PghGameFix]

@@jhoughjr1 It is a lot of muscle memory. How much your hand moves when you get pushed by with wind.... and so forth. In the left... you fly with your left hand, and throttle/prop/mix with your right. in the right seat, it's reversed. so your "Feel" goes away. Also... when landing, and fighting a little cross wind... you get a feel of what is "Straight". In the right seat, that "Feel" isn't the same. And finally... yes... the cockpit is asymmetric in a small aircraft. So you are now searching for the info you need, and your flight instruments are at an angle, and may not read the same. My first few landings from the right was BAD.

[@Capecodham]

CFI?

[@bobbyg9662]

Hoover, I hoped one day you or one the other guys that discuss plane accidents. In June of this year a family flew to New York for a baseball tournament. On the plane was mom, dad, 2 boys and I think a grandfather piloting, all perished! It may have been a break up?

[@DRFelGood]

Unfortunate outcome, detailed debriefing, Thank you 👍🏻

[@pilotaj]

I'm a fairly new pilot with my own video channel. On my flights, I keep hand written notes on frequencies, runways, etc. I also do extensive weather briefings before each flight. I never would have taken off for this flight with such low ceilings. Also, once in the pattern, airspeeds are critical. Any bouncing on landing should immediately result in a go around. Incredible shame that these people died.

[@landedzentry]

I'm no pilot but have had high risk jobs ...and survived. If I were you I'd binge watch this channel and the Blancolirio channel by Juan Browne which are both relevant to small aircraft. Any idiot can crash a airworthy airplane?

[@sectorcodec]

I’m a pilot and I say it depends on the bounce. If it’s a small bounce it can be corrected without PIO and the plane landed safely. If it’s a big one then yes, go around.

[@zebra2346]

I like the swiss cheese model diagram. I am 62 and when i was a vfr pilot in the 90's i was aware of the "cone model" for aviation accidents. When you begin planning a flight you basically enter the wide part of the cone where you have the option to make many flight decisions, but if you begin making poor decisions the cone narrows as your decision making becomes limited due to previous bad decisions, and if you continue making poor decisions you enter the narrowest part of the cone that ends in a point when all of your options are exhausted and you crash. Honestly, when i was a pilot i thought i was a pretty good pilot, but actually i should be dead from a few different scenarios during my time as pilot. Some are born pilots, i am not one of them and i would never be a pilot again. I love Hoover's videos however and never miss one

[@mipmipmipmipmip-v5x]

It's not a swiss cheese model when no one involved is competent or risk aware. It's the russian roulette model. Only by chance you'd survive.

[@chicketychina8447]

That's the reason you're still alive .. Humility..

[@69spook]

I like swiss cheese 🧀

[@AndrewGrey22]

Good morning, Hoover. Thanks for another helpful vid.

[@fritzb.3978]

People have already said this, but, these lessons are SO applicable to every day life and so helpful to apply (despite being the tragic outcomes). I might say you are in control but the situation is in charge? Really great lessons to reflect on.

[@PaperPilotJack]

So sad, Robert was my tie down neighbor at John Wayne before he moved his Bo to French Valley. He was always friendly and willing to help with tools. He will be missed.

[@jlh9910]

Angwin is tricky on a good day.. and looking at weather at sonoma is no help as you noted Angwin is normally above the marine layer . the other alternative airport when you have Marine layers in that neck of the woods is Lampson 30 miles north.. No Marine layer there.. And the Pope valley aiport even though private is usually clear as well.. going to Napa ( spent most of my life there and learned to fly there.. ) Just wait till the afternoon marine layer is gone etc etc.. High and hot should have been a go around without even trying to land on that shorter tricker runway.

[@spectrumifs]

This is a tragic and heartbreaking story. I will never fly in a private plan again due to the horrific, life threatening, experience of flying as a passenger through hail, thunder and lightening and a six-seater plane that was falling apart.

[@billysoccerboypayne]

I have friends that from the minute they get out of bed to the time they go to sleep at night they wont let the cell phone off their hands for one minute, they go to the bathroom with the cell in their pant´s pocket, seat down to eat and the damm cell is next to the glass of water. This makes me sick, sorry. This lady (God bless her) is still "learning the ropes " of flying but wont let the cell go and texting to her friends. Driving a car and texting is dangerous, imagine a plane !!!

[@sarahalbers5555]

My friend is a reconstructive plastic surgeon and does the exact same thing..

[@strauqq1]

I'm surprised you didn't go more in depth into the pilots age (73) and his confused state at the time of accident. His mental state seemed to be impaired.

[@mordyd1770]

After flying for 45 years, 35 of those, in wide and narrow body jets and retiring at 62 with 33,480 Hrs, I decided to let my pilot licence lapse, so that I could not put myself and family into a situation like this, where my "ego was writing cheques my body and brain can't cash" Better for me to watch occasionally and enjoy the memories, than to pretend I still have the skills and CPU power to operate, especially single pilot. Feel very sorry for the family.

[@mikelomax9957]

So many opportunities to avoid this tragedy. They kept poking their own holes in the Swiss cheese.

[@mikelomax9957]

I wonder if anyone investigated Robert's mental condition. For someone with his level of experience he seemed terribly unfocused, forgetful and/or confused. If Shauna would have remained the pilot the entire time this sad tragedy may well not have happened. Robert should have remained in a support role and never taken the controls. Hoover, thanks again for another in-depth debrief that is far more valuable than the NTSB report. Details like this better explain how and why these accidents happen, and i truly believe that your debriefs are saving lives.

[@bobw53jrma]

@@mikelomax9957 : That's what I was thinking.. Dementia, Alzheimer's, double dose of pain pills? Something wasn't right with him.

[@AvoidTIMtation]

This is extremely sad, listening to this, It sounded like the daughter was more of a seasoned pilot than the father.

[@amamdawhatever]

I feel like this entire incident could have been avoided by briefing the flight, briefing the weather and briefing responsibilities. I have no idea why GA pilots never seem to do this... It costs nothing to go into a flight with a plan, a backup and an understanding of what you're getting into. On an aside; my personal minimum for GA x-country is 2 days on either end. If I can't leave 2 days early or arrive 2 days late, then I don't go! This prevents me from talking myself into making a bad decision. I also verbally brief each flight from block to block, even if I am the only one in the aircraft. I leave nothing to chance.

[@txaviationimages]

I’m a PPL for 3 years & I am about to start doing a lot of cross country flights. Your videos help me in so many ways, especially when choosing the right time builders. Thank you Hoover.

[@FredPorlock-1892]

You know what we need, Hoover? A video for non-pilots about things to know/ what questions to ask before even stepping onto a private plane. How do I know I’m with a skilled pilot? What questions do I ask him/her to discern if they are a capable pilot?

[@Anon54387]

For me it's simple. I just don't step into a private plane.

[@FredPorlock-1892]

@ Seems to be the best choice.

[@livnrluvsng]

One red flag for me is that the father always flew an unusually high airspeed in the pattern and on final. I fly a TR182 and for my aircraft I'm always higher than usual on final because with full flaps my aircraft will do a really steep descent--but I fly at 60-65kn on final. If I'm too fast it's going to float further down the runway. I'd gotten checked out years ago in a 1959 Model 35 V tailed Bonanza. I only had several hours in it and didn't end up renting because I didn't realize that the flight school would not let anyone file IFR in that aircraft due to insurance stipulations. What I distinctly remember of this model (and some other aircraft like Mooney) is that they are so aerodynamically clean that you've got to nail the speed numbers or you'll float down the runway. They appeared to be in VFR conditions, way too high and way too fast. I suspect he drove it down resulting in severe porpoising. The V tail makes it way worse if sudden elevator changes are made as happened here. I remember that this aircraft had a high accident rate and was known as the "doctor killer". When I searched though, apparently most of the failures were inflight breakup due to pilots exceeding max airspeed. That wasn't the case here. I believe that the father's habit of coming in too fast on final contributed to his confidence that he could land safely. They were too high, too fast and should never have attempted to land with such an unstable approach. They could just have overflown the runway and re-entered the pattern for a second attempt at pattern altitude and proper airspeed. While they did initiate a go around, that was after several bounces and possibly one or more was severe enough to have had a prop strike, thereby limiting aircraft performance in the go around which ultimately resulted in a stall. It also could have simply been a lack of attention to airspeed during the climbout after initiating the go around. It appears that the father was disoriented for some reason. Maybe he was distracted with something else on his mind, or maybe it was health related. The reason for that we'll never know. God bless these people. It's all just a damned shame.

[@frankfurter7260]

Absent a very specific and compelling reason, I defer to the people that built the plane for determining approach speeds.

[@livnrluvsng]

@@frankfurter7260 Absolutely and the V35 published approach speed is 70 kn with 61 kn over the numbers

[@canlib]

So scary and terrifying the horror.

[@ikaikamaleko8370]

@@canlib 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

[@darkfox2076]

Another great video from Hoover.

[@mikedunlop8714]

Learnt to fly in South Africa 40 years ago... still flying today. It's a go around unless all three are good: On Stable Speed On Stable Approach - Glide Slope On Stable Landing Point - Touch Down No if's. No but's.