Pilot's TERRIBLE Mistakes End in Chaos & Death

[@pilot-debrief]

Be sure to check out this other video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nabbgIl-g7-kd6s There was a lot more that I could have talked about in this video, but it would have made it forty minutes long. Instead, what you can look forward to is I'm going to start including more details and commentary on these mishaps on my website at www.pilotdebrief.com. That's coming soon in the near future! Check out the site and be the first to find out!

[@missykowalewski]

We used to debrief in the ER after a trauma. Made us better. Seems today people don’t want to discuss mistakes only acknowledge them. Big mistake. Kinda seems like this guys health made him complacent. Can’t take short cuts when flying a plane. What a shame.

[@julesviolin]

⚠️UNBELIEVABLE tragedy. I have no words. Since following Blancolirio and Dan Gryder and a few others, I trust no pilots and will think twice about flying in anything other than airliners

[@waynetokarz174]

@@julesviolinyour mistrust is misplaced. We are not all untrustworthy or incompetent. By your reasoning , one should avoid all forms of transportation. Flying is still safe, these videos just make them safer. Take a few flying lessons and you will see the truth in my words

[@30Higgins]

Very sad story 😥 I am always surprised to see IFR rated pilots lost in poor weather. In Europe we are trained and rated in real India Mike Conditions and fortunately it save lives.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

⁠@@julesviolindon’t distrust all the pilots. These videos are only of the bad ones, the overwhelming amount of good pilots, nobody is making videos of them.

[@bobrubens7769]

Over 20 years ago i was a CFI, and i still fly occasionally recreational. I told students then and friends/coworkers today, "most crashes happen before the pilot even starts the engine" this is a good example of that assessment. Unlike a car where a 2 second lapse of attention and you go through a stop sign, or another driver crashes into you where you have no control, flying is typically a long chain of events.

[@MelissaBlue]

I have a chronic pain condition and when it's particularly bad I've determined that I'm worse at driving and so should not be behind the wheel. Both reaction time and my overall situational awareness are worsened when I'm in pain. (Fortunately it only took me twice to determine this and I don't have to depend on driving myself to get around.) I cannot imagine how much worse that would be for flying.

[@billythekid3234]

Yes Bob, the Swiss cheese takes a bit of time to line up. But it started on the ground, with the pilots health. It went down from there, the holes started lining up. So sad, RIP....

[@niouts]

Sorry but I don’t see a ”typicall chain of events” in this case. I see only incompetence and violation of basic rules.

[@user-gq2vn1xj2r]

@@nioutsI see no weather check -> Assume VFR conditions -> Offload important tasks to inexperienced kid -> Refusal to get help once disoriented -> Basic stall recovery fail. I say if any of of these links are broken there is no crash.

[@hisnibs1121]

@@niouts You said 'Sorry but I don’t see a ”typicall chain of events” in this case. I see only incompetence and violation of basic rules.' But incompetence and/or violation of basic rules IS the typical chain of events leading to an aviation tragedy!

[@wendysmith6372]

Like many of your other viewers, I am not a pilot. But your explanations are so clear and easy to understand that even non-pilots can appreciate the lessons learned. Love your videos!

[@pilot-debrief]

Great to hear! Thanks!

[@OptimalToast]

Yeah it's great, after a while I'm able to understand, to some degree, the repercussions of minor incidents that make up a bigger picture because he's clearly conveyed the details in past videos that even a non-pilot can understand. It's much appreciated.

[@CatsClaw44]

​@osier769 Me too and it makes it much more informative when listening to it.

[@pscottbx]

Me too ….thanks

[@redriveral2764]

And me! I love to learn from your videos. I drive the Gray Buffalo and ride my bicycle 😅

[@steelhealer1]

As a surgeon, even the most minor surgical procedures can become a disaster if not planned well. It is sobering to see that even 'small details' like non planning can lead to massive disaster. I teach my students all the time to always "check the films and recheck sidedness and review the slides yourself". Complacency is a dangerous trait. Excellent presentation Hoover and thank you for your service.

[@nunya2954]

I do coding for hospital reimbusement, please teach your student to NOT SIGN EVERY QUERY THEY GET, many of you, I don't think bother reading them and the CDI people do many of them and they rational they use to try to justify getting a response from you MD's, is most often, a smh/red flag for us coders. Remember, you ATTEST the the diagnosis that are given..

[@prun8893]

@@nunya2954 Frustrating day?

[@nunya2954]

@@prun8893 I don't have frustrating days. Life if great

[@aluisious]

That's fine, but that still doesn't fix whatever the problem was in the brain of the orthopedic surgeon who tried to prescribe me crutches when I had a broken hip, thumb, and separated shoulder on the same side. The guy was simply an idiot. There was nothing he could recheck to make him not an idiot. Oh yes, and I remember this now: he prescribed 4 Vicodin per day for pain, and gave me twenty pills for a week. Take a minute if you like. When I called up on the 6th day requesting a refill, he said I was using them too fast, and wanted me to come in to discuss whether I was abusing narcotics. Sure, let me hop on my bicycle. When I yelled at him that 4x7 is 28, he asked if I wanted Percocet instead. I screamed "I want 28 Vicodin per week, not stronger narcotics."

[@chadm9653]

@steelhealer1..... I bet you didn't foresee everyone writing up a grievance about their bad medical experiences to YOU. Lol. I was laughing as I read the comments. It's almost as if they believe you are partially responsible for their medical woes.

[@LTVoyager]

“We’ll figure it out after takeoff” has probably preceded as many crashes as has “Hey, watch this.”

[@46bovine]

Or, here hold my drink.

[@BillySBC]

Dumbassery, it's not just for people on the ground anymore.

[@jonathanperry4189]

Or "what's it doing now?"

[@cpking7]

Small scar on my forehead from 35 years ago was preceded, on a sea kayak in Hawaii, with me saying, "John, you have to shift your weight back as you paddle onto the wave. Watch this!" So nearby tourists witnessed me yell, "watch this," before loosing balance, flailing with my paddle till I whacked myself in the forehead, then sinking beneath the surface in a cloud of blood. I can imagine one tourist turning to another and saying: "Does that seem like something you should be bragging about?"

[@MrFester63]

I wonder how many incidents have been caused by the Dunning-Kruger effect, or misplaced ego?

[@mikrif2767]

He got on to the flight like he was going for a Sunday drive. Instrument flying is about meticulous planning and accounting for every minute of the flight as well as contingency plans and being 10 steps ahead. Ignore at your own peril. Great debrief and advice for pilots about the consequences. Keep up the good work.

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

With most of these crashes, there's a lot of life-lessons that can be applied to other things. I've seen crash-programs at my work (we produce aircraft parts and assemblies) due to some crisis where the boss directs that we gotta stay the course no matter what. When problems are brought up, his answer is, "We'll deal with that later, let's get the low-hanging fruit first," and the little problems never get dealt with. Guess what? That's what inevitably bites you in the butt later, screws things up, and costs a lot of time or money.

[@askiff1415]

Agree 100% on IFR flying. Classic fail to prepare, prepare to fail.

[@faryldaryl3975]

I was thinking something similar, it seemed to me that this guy thought he was in a self-driving car. Most of the time when I hear about a small aircraft crash, the classic "VFR into IFR" comes to mind, but jebus in this case it's like he was deliberately trying to screw up.

[@ChiIeboy]

"Instrument flying is about meticulous planning ..." He wasn't IFR. He _should have been,_ but he wasn't, hence the reason there was no "meticulous planning."

[@Skank_and_Gutterboy]

@@ChiIeboy Very true. The problem with pushing off "the little stuff" until later is that they usually DON'T get dealt with later and that's what really bites you.

[@uhadonejob]

This one hurts. Imagine having that many debilitating health problems, not planning the flight, not looking at the weather and loading a bunch of kids including your own son into your plane. Mistakes happen but that is beyond reckless.

[@videosuperhighway7655]

People with NPD putting family at risk for their hobby.

[@monicamestas7566]

I thought I heard Hoover say one of the passengers was also the owner of the plane. So I'm wondering if he couldn't have helped the pilot... or did he own a plane but not know how to fly it?

[@Kattycorner59]

@@videosuperhighway7655I agree

[@MrGrandure]

​@@monicamestas7566I believe that this was the case. Ballers just ballin

[@alikat1169]

He forgot his glasses as well😑

[@TheHaratashi]

I used to fly a little and I had a great instructor. He drilled it in to me that if something happened like stalls or near stalls or unstable speed and pitch etc forget everything else and focus on just getting the airplane back to flying. These guys broke that rule by trying to do other things while the plane wasn't even in stable flight and they paid for it.

[@DanielSan-ch7dr]

I got that bored flying at stall speeds in a glider that I asked the instructor okay this is boring now can we do something else. I don't get how experienced pilots forget the first day of training which centralise controls and pitch down for speed and regain control. It's so easy.

[@gerryholland7274]

The panic that must have been prevalent on that Flight Deck made me feel sick! I've flown 50+ years and now retired as my physical and mental capabilities are of a 77 year old and I recognise my limitations. It's a tough decision but I'm right.

[@markymark6948]

Have u ever gone though disorientation in the clouds ?

[@khyronthethunderhawg6577]

@@markymark6948 Yes! And it is the worst feeling in the world. Your instruments show you straight and level...you head tells you descending left bank. You have to fight the lizard brain and believe the panel.

[@Ultorvindex]

Good for you. Many keep flying after 65 selfishly in this regard and don't weight in what could happen in the ground.

[@Jordan23501]

i cant tell you how much i respect you. Knowing your limits takes alot.

[@cybershark3095]

If you miss the cockpit, try setting up a high-end flight simulator. Get some large screens, top notch flight controls and a powerful computer. It is a chance to "fly" all sorts of planes and all sorts of places and airports around the planet, or even other planets like Arrakis in a Dune ornithopter when the meds kick in.

[@fuffoon]

I learned that in spite of my deep love for aviation, it was probably a good thing that I quit flight school and stayed with radio control. I had a short but successful career in F3A, flew with my heart, and loved the field atmosphere. But honestly, I did not have the discipline or responsibility to fly real airplanes or passengers. It has never been easy to accept that truth, but I have learned to live with it.

[@KCBudd]

The pilot blurting out "I hate it when this happens" about being that behind the aircraft with zero planning is a pretty ominous statement. It makes you wonder if this pilot had a tendency for unplanned / lackadaisical flying and just happened to have gotten lucky in the past. "Normalization of deviance" isn't just something that happens in big organizations, it's a phenomenon we can fall prey to in our minds too. We should all debrief our own flights the way you debrief these accidents. Where did we "get away with one" and how can we avoid those dangerous corners in the future? Thank you for another excellent analysis.

[@Normanion]

THAT! I already made lengthy post about my observations, but that was one of the points that made me twist inside, but almost all of that Debrief had my internal BPD meter's needle on the red.

[@patriciamonger5858]

I was wondering that myself. Did this guy fly by the seat of his pants and get lucky?

[@robertgarcia7024]

Minutes later: I'm headed nose down into the ocean, I hate when this happens.

[@cremebrulee4759]

You learn a great deal by debriefing, even on a flight that went well. There's always room for improvement.

[@vanmamawannabe6360]

Newbie here. What does being “behind the aircraft” mean, please?

[@tomandrilissanettling9362]

I am a retired Law Enforcement Helicopter Pilot. Your briefings and conclusions are spot-on. I really enjoy them. You are doing a fabulous job. As LE Pilots we spent a tremendous amount of time studying others crashes, critiquing our own missions, and basically working hard to be the best professional Aviators we could be. You do a good job pointing out the mistakes in a respectful manner. We can all learn from this. Complacency kills. We must never forget that.

[@CarsCatAliens]

That's amazing !! ​@smf333 Any crazy stories? Or "interesting"(🛸) sightings?

[@JoeRogansForehead]

As a retired Disk Shaped UFO pilot I also agree with you

[@jamesmaybrick2001]

@@iLLBiLLsRoastBeats That a joke? Whats god got to do with anything? One plane went down in nearly 30 years. ONE. Thousands of flights and one accident. It was a very very safe plane. Far safer than (insert pretty much any small aircraft or helicopter, that all have far worse safety records than the mighty Concorde). Or are you saying that if ONE machine of its type goes wrong then its because of God no one else died? So what about trains? Cars? Hot air balloons? Unicycles? And motorbikes? Holy shit, even an omnipotent thing is going to be kept busy perfoming miracles of non-death with those things! lol.

[@iLLBiLLsRoastBeats]

@@jamesmaybrick2001 a sphincter says what ?

[@CFIBarrySeal-vl5jc]

So your the rat in the ghetto bird.....

[@thesuperjoe]

This guy was completely clueless! “Just a few mistakes” is a huge understatement

[@drval3706]

Reckless too!

[@GoodDeal123]

He's not a victim. Victims are the passengers here. This guy was criminally ignorant. If only he could have been the only one on board.

[@gorillaau]

​@@GoodDeal123He was a trail blazer. Throw caution to the win, ignore warning signs untill fate is tapping him on the shoulder.

[@mwhite1474]

The guy totally ignored what his instruments were screaming at him. How the hell did he ever get an instrument rating? Something is seriously wrong with pilot credentialing.

[@crazy4dariver]

I've flown several times private charter. Having been a crash investigator in the USAF I am always amazed at how many pilots fly impaired. I was on a commercial flight and watched a pilot leave the sky lounge stumbling to the gate. Huge shock, MY Flight! I reported it at the gate and refused to board. The story I was given, don't worry. He's in transit to another airport and is not the pilot. I didn't see it on the news until 6 months later. Same guy did it again but this WAS the pilot. His Co-pilot reported him and refused to fly. He was subsequently fired during the investigation. 23 years down the tubes concerned me not. 100+ Souls on board all of his flights concerned me.

[@johngreenlees]

I have to agree. All the lack of prep, all the ignoring the "check" protocols, the failure to recognize the visible weather problem, the "we'll get that later" . . . all really sounds like he was impaired. I understand that he became spacially disoriented, and had he been in acceptable visual flight conditions that wouldn't have happened and he would have recognized the issues and either prevented the situation or recovered. However the amount of time he is pre-occupied with the autpilot WHILE in non-visual flight conditions (get a stopwatch and wait the intervals Hoover called out while he's repeatedly cursing at the system, focused on it, while he doesn't notice the flight conditions deteriorate) is telling. He's got no visual references . . . and he's going THAT long without checking airspeed, altitude, attitude on the instruments. He appears to be having massive problems even doing the necessary and critical multi-tasking, let alone properly prioritizing those tasks.

[@mikoto7693]

Right, even as a non pilot I could see where this was going even before they took off. But admittedly I don’t understand how he didn’t default back to the basics after the first stick shaker event. Even I know the basics for handling that. I don’t really get why he didn’t recover, level out and fly straight until he figured things out. If you don’t descend you can’t crash unless there’s a mountain in front of you or have the amazing bad luck of hitting another aircraft in flight.

[@dashriprock4308]

The same happened to JFK, Jr., without the medical impairment being a factor.

[@gordowg1wg145]

@@mikoto7693 Yes, i'm not a pilot - can't afford an aircraft, the time and the training costs - but one thing I see time after time when crashes (NOT "accidents") occur is the repeated observation that the pilots failed THE most important thing - FIRST fly the 'plane, then sort out the problem(s).

[@fazole]

Airlines I know of, prohibit pilots from drinking any alcohol while on duty, regardless if they are the flight crew or not. If a pilot is incapacitated, the pilot passenger will be needed to assist. Furthermore, if the pilot is off duty, but just catching a ride, he still can't drink in uniform.

[@jetpilott2420]

That’s brutal. Those passengers without a doubt, heard that long debacle up front, the aural warnings going off, and the “experienced” pilot cussing as the airplane flew out of control. What a horrifying way to go out. May they RIP.

[@nofurtherwest3474]

Why didn't the plane owner, Douglas Hunter, get involved and try to help? Surely he knew how to fly, probably was the 2nd or even 1st most experienced as the others clearly weren't that experienced.

[@larrysaavedra3363]

I normally don't speak out, but I was thinking the same thing. What was his son doing in the right seat when he couldn't even program the guidance system? Sounds to me like it was ego that took the plane down and nothing more.@@nofurtherwest3474

[@MegInASheathDress]

​@@nofurtherwest3474 A lot of people rich enough to own private jets hire pilots.

[@fleur8100]

🐒jetpilott, and the passengers were never heard on the tape, thought that if they'd stay still🥺, the pilot, father of their friend, would focus and fix it. But being heavily under influence of oxycodon, the pilot couldn't process anything! 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@spoodlydoodler3552]

​@fleur8100 no toxicology report means that you are incorrect.

[@craigstergriffin2097]

Very informative. My gosh, makes me think more about safety plans prior to driving a car long distance, boat or in a plane. Many factors to be considered. Those young lives lost is so sad. Such a waste of life.

[@pilot-debrief]

Complacency can be very dangerous!

[@The_Sword3]

Those poor passengers who were "just along for the ride" had plenty of time to fear for their lives. Realizing the pilot is confused, struggling and cussing they must have known they were in serious trouble. RIP to all.

[@robertsmith2956]

did they forget to tell the kids In case of a water landing, their seat can be used as a flotation device?

[@adawfaf3842]

@user-eb6bw5jn1y karma for what?

[@jacobdefenderfer4747]

​@adawfaf3842 this dude probably hates hunting

[@robertsmith2956]

@@jacobdefenderfer4747 I'm shocked the FBI isn't going SEE guns on planes bad.

[@jgarbo3541]

They never knew until the last few seconds.

[@Zaguzah]

It would have been a crime had KZbin left this channel demonetized... Welcome back, Hoover, and thank you for these amazing videos.

[@144k_Kingdom_Living]

KZbin had demonitized this channel for a period of time? If so, why?

[@Zaguzah]

@@144k_Kingdom_Living There's an explanation from Hoover on a KZbin Community post from about a month ago... But basically KZbin demonetized him when he tried to change the type of bank account his revenue was being deposited into (if I recall correctly). KZbin was just being really, really dumb.

[@144k_Kingdom_Living]

@@Zaguzah Wow.... It is crazy how we are under control of robots in this "system". I recentlh had everything stolen from me and was locked out of my Gmail. It is impossible to speak with anyone at Google. You interface Good thru A.I. These are very scary times when you can just be "cancelled" digitally whenever the powers that be deem it necessary or a mistake has been made. Nearly all the people I watched on KZbin in the truther community have either been removed, silenced or killed. It is only a matter of time before all this end badly. Thank you for responding to ny question. I read the posts on the community tab.

[@JBoy340a]

Thanks for this debrief. This goes to show that there is no such thing as a casual flight. You always need to be at the top of your game.

[@donaldpaynter6839]

As retired AFRes/ANG FS trained in human factors and mishap investigation, your presentations are spot on. Makes me proud to have been a small part of the AF flight safety community. 3-4 of your debriefs should be required for new pilots and recertifications.

[@tylermatthews6130]

@user-eb6bw5jn1y Why are you being disrespectful. I bet you could never get to to the level he attained. Plus he is complimenting Pilot Debrief. If you don't like the channel, don't watch the videos and don't comment. Simple as that.

[@LiamFisawesome]

@@tylermatthews6130 well said. he is just a troll, ignore him!

[@tylermatthews6130]

@user-eb6bw5jn1yuninstall youtube already ma’am

[@tylermatthews6130]

@@LiamFisawesomefr lol what a jerk

[@BradMajewski]

I really like how your channel focuses on what went wrong instead of blame. Everyone thinks this stuff won’t happen to them. You do a good job pointing out the chain of mistakes you can easily make if you’re not thinking safety first. No one thinks about being impatient, but everyone needs to plan for it. I’ve been training myself to start every checklist with “How do I feel right now?”

[@raymondo162]

“How do I feel right now?” EXCELLENT attitude. i try to start road journies the same way esp if i'm on a motorcycle.................

[@No_ReGretzky99]

Awesome man and I'm sure you unfortunately probably won't kill a bunch of people it's kind of brings tears to my eyes because when I was a teenager one of my best friend's dad was a private pilot and before he got his IFR ratings he would not fly in fog nothing and I would get so upset because I'd be looking forward to going flying because all of his kids my best friends were just burned out on it and they didn't want to the pilot so a lot of times I knew a few days in advance we were going flying on a Saturday or Sunday but now I totally understand and I'm a very appreciative cuz if I would have had my way we would have been flying into all kinds of crap

[@Stefan8u]

Bring your glasses, don't do Oxy (or other drugs) and fly, learn how to use your flight computer, and apparently you'll be doing 1000x better than this idiot.

[@jimw1615]

So, is "How do I feel right now?" actually written on your checklists or is that just another intention that may be forgotten in a situation where you are rushed or distracted? Intentions are not checklist items.

[@therocinante3443]

I can't imagine typing an entire paragraph with out one single punctuation mark.

[@Ironman-vq2xh]

Best friend was a F18 pilot. He was the smartest, greatest guy you’d ever known. Every time we flew ( he owned a plane and flew us to golf, parties, etc) from the night before on, he never f’d around. Never. I only say this to say what a great man he was. Saved us numerous times in Afghanistan. After all that, he was killed by a car jacker visiting Chicago. So sad.

[@Zack-w3e]

Wow.. rip man

[@brandtbecker1810]

what a great country we live in - NOT

[@Kattycorner59]

Name or it didn’t happen

[@smokey_gator_239]

Fake story

[@TNT46DOG]

@@brandtbecker1810country? as long as humans have been able to pick up sticks we’ve killed each other, long before this “country” was founded

[@jlunde35]

It's so hard for me, a non-pilot, to comprehend how an experienced pilot could let a precision aircraft like the Pilatus get out of control. Such a sad and senseless loss. Thank you for the analysis.

[@truthboomertruthbomber5125]

All his health issues and the meds he was taking were a major part of his poor decision making . He should have voluntarily quit flying.

[@alfredomarquez9777]

The Pilatus PC-12 is a high performance, thus, a demending airplane, because the pilot can get BEHIND the airplane, unless he PLANS AHEAD... which evidently he did not. The Pilatus is not a relatively slow Cessna or Piper. It becomes very deemanding due to its greater speed. This pilot flew that high performance turboprop like it was a rental car! In addition to poor health conditions, it was very possible that Personality issues got involved, like becoming mad at hos own son, expecting too much from him, and wanting to punish him for not meeting his expectations. Familiarity between crew members can be a huge distractor when personality gets in between. Absolutely no "teaching" should happen during a demanding flight in difficult weather and with passengers aboard!

[@mikoto7693]

Not gonna lie, as a non pilot I struggle to understand it myself. I don’t understand why they don’t default back to basic training when something like the stick shaker kicks in. More power, nudge the nose down, recover from the stall, level out, adjust power and trim appropriately then just freaking fly straight while you figure out WTF you did wrong. If you just fly straight without gaining or losing altitude it’s kinda hard to get unlucky enough to crash into a mountain or something. Surely that would buy them enough time to figure out what to do. At that point survival should be the only thing that matters. Save thinking about what you’re gonna do to save your pilot license when you’re on the ground.

[@johnd1727]

Sometimes total flight hours is a very poor measurement. Is it 3000 hours with each of those hours adding to handling skills, system knowledge, situational awareness, forward planning and flight management? Or merely an accumulation of hours droning on in perfect visual conditions with no real progression in proficiency. In my very early years of aviation I knew a "commercial pilot" in my aero club that had 2000+ hours ,which was impressive experience to student pilots who had accumulated flight hours way less than a single one hundred. But this individual's entire experience after obtaining his private then commercial licence was flying joyflights in the circuit of that aero club over many years. I recall an unkind - but basically accurate - assessment of that individual's experience as: "He doesn't have 2000 hours - he has 20 minutes of experience 6000 times".

[@AllanI3374]

Oxy Why do you think no autopsy!

[@desimo147]

This guy was literally flying by the seat of his pants, with virtually no preparation on ANY level. I didn't think this level of incompetence was even possible. It's a miracle he made it to 3,000 hours to begin with.

[@kimpeater1]

I always thought flight experience should be in flight hours as well as flight miles flown.

[@ebythebeach]

sad but true

[@edwardrichardson5567]

Probably fudged those numbers..

[@blistery1875]

Totally agree, there was an earlier comment that this was complacency which was maybe, 10% of the pilot’s behavioural issues. The rest is TOTAL incompetence.

[@encinobalboa]

Everything is so easy when you can see the ground and the horizon.

[@aaronseager6039]

That can't possibly be a 3,000 hour pilot. Unbelievable. Experience doesn't mean anything if the pilot is making awful careless decisions. I'd bet that wrongful death lawsuit was an absolute layup.

[@katjay3125]

If he lied about his golf score he would lie about his hours

[@l337pwnage]

Well, that's just rich people fighting over each other's wallets. That's just part for the course.

[@LTVoyager]

After I got my instrument rating, I filed IFR for pretty much every cross-country trip. I just found it easier in most cases as the slight additional IFR work was offset by not having to worry as much about restricted airspace, prohibited areas, etc. And, should weather be worse than forecast or deteriorate quickly enroute, there is no drama if you need to enter IMC.

[@Zaguzah]

I'm not a pilot, but that sounds pretty smart.

[@animula6908]

That sounds smart. Why get the rating then not use it?

[@gcorriveau6864]

Good thinking. IFR skills and Autoflight management skills erode surprisingly fast when not used regularly. (ask me how I know ! d'oh)

[@sasquatch370]

That's intelligent. If only more thought that way...

[@keithramsey5637]

I couldn’t imagine how terrifying it would be, to be a passenger and watch all of this unfolding right there in front of you.

[@whitey129]

There's a very good chance they didn't even notice. Spacial disorientation can happen even with indicators infront of you. Back in the cabin you likely would be oblivious.

[@areza15143]

@@whitey129agree, and hope that was so. As a pilot, I have sweat on the left side of my face a couple times while assuring my passenger that all was well.

[@pauldailey4477]

@@whitey129 No guy, it´s was pure panic...but the boys were young and fearless so maybe they were screaming like the woman might have been.

[@whitey129]

@pauldailey4477 Super cool post dude!

[@whitey129]

@areza15143 Thanks for the pilot input. I'm only an enthusiast. 👍

[@bobmarino350]

Another great video Hoover! Thanks for trying to keep us all safe. Unfortunately, some do not heed the warnings that are right in front of them.

[@barrybecker3706]

EVERY pilot should be watching this channel.

[@DPB1947]

Indeed! I'm not a pilot. Actually I'm only rarely a passenger in commercial craft. Yet I am totally engaged and immersed in Hoover's objective, intelligent and respectful debriefs because they are filled with lessons for everyone: having a plan; having a contingency plan (or two); not being complacent; not being arrogant; being completely informed of factors that can affect your flight (task at hand), etc...

[@DefconOkay]

Everybody about to climb into a light aircraft with that friend that's a pilot

[@kaven9583]

Definitely yes!

[@mrb.5610]

Haven't the money so it's never going to happen - but if I did, I don't think I have the aptitude to learn to fly. It's a bloody serious business.

[@darrellhicks360]

Every potential passenger should watch this channel

[@MGJDMNJ]

The pilot and son lived literally .8 of a mile from me. Im a teacher and tons people in the area were devastated. Knowing how avoidable it was makes it even more tragic.

[@dc6233]

That's allot of people from one place, all gone in an instant, terrible loss for so many. Probably very hard for most people to come to terms with...

[@mtmadigan82]

I'm pretty ok with the idea of me making a lot of poor avoidable mistakes when I know better taking my life. I knew did it anyway. But acting that way where I'd drag a lot of innocents along with me is terrifying. It's pretty good motivation to do things by the book, and have the integrity to do even when you know you don't have to and nobody would know. Picking and choosing what procedures and rules you follow is a very dark path to head down. Only ends 1 way.

[@BeamMonsterZeus]

It's tragic for those the pilot brought down with his many avoidable, deliberate actions. The only tragedy for the pilot is for his loved ones. You can't make excuses for everyone.

[@MGJDMNJ]

@@BeamMonsterZeus you nailed it.

[@BrennanCh06]

Thanks for the debrief. This one happened close to me and it's a small community so it hit really hard losing all of those kids.

[@gbosearcher-3686]

Agree, I live in NC and thought just how sad this was.

[@leelaural]

Yeah..the poor parents...horrible.

[@fo7790]

Welcome back to producing these insightful videos for the community. Thanks!

[@pilot-debrief]

Wow! Thank you! I’m glad to be back. It was concerning, for a short time, not knowing how things were going to turn out with Google and KZbin.

[@skyking2202]

I love that feeling, that last minute on the run-up pad, when my iPad is set up perfectly how I like it, the navigator has the matching flight plan in it, my bugs are set, bluetooth to my panel and my headset are live, my freqs are all right where I want em... understanding the systems and managing them in a really structured way, is one of my favorite parts of flying. So I enjoy--truly enjoy--the very parts that he skipped over. Knowing you're way ahead of the airplane is just the best. But... that's just me, and I am surprised by how many pilots I fly with don't like all the buttonology and just want to get going. If you want to be an instrument pilot, learn to truly enjoy the setup, and create your own personal flows.

[@deankaras8359]

Well said

[@Vick_Lagina]

So glad the channel not only survived, but will thrive. You do great work.

[@shldnfr]

@user-eb6bw5jn1yWhy?

[@micadean1600]

@user-eb6bw5jn1yhow so?

[@eric55406]

@user-eb6bw5jn1y Anonymous hater, why don't you give some constructive criticism?

[@yellowstrat86]

@user-eb6bw5jn1y Would you be able to comment specifically on how his work is crappy?

[@Skipdogg15]

​@joshuafaustini532 jealously and laziness is the above persons problem

[@EdGotoo]

I'm Estonian and my English is not good, but I really like how you explain things, everything is easy to understand

[@Buconoir]

Slava Estonia!

[@GUITARTIME2024]

Watch out for putin.

[@ChadDidNothingWrong]

Hoover enunciates his words quite well. (Specifucally, he is strong with his vowels) American English naturally softens the consonants...except for Central Texas accents. We are the only people in the USA that don't replace our T's with D's that I know of. (Like in the word "Radiator", for example). Just a fun fact.

[@Fnstine]

I'm a pedestrian, and my hearing is not too good. I'm constantly dodging everything.

[@howieduin915]

Your English and grammar is better than most of the people that comment. Cheers.

[@jleroy33]

I remember getting lost a couple of times while getting my IFR rating while trying to do an NDB approach. Thank God my instructor was there to tell me where I was because it was scary. He always said though, "Fly the airplane first. If you have to fess up to ATC that you need some help with direction then do it but keep flying the airplane!"

[@oceanhome2023]

Recently I had not fully recovered from a nasty infection and when I was driving my reflexes were terrible and my mind was not sharp . I was cognizant enough to just get home and put it in the garage ! Being sick and weak is just like drunk driving !

[@cremebrulee4759]

It truly is.

[@adirondacker007]

Regardless of the cause, impairment is impairment. Over 20 years ago, I was at my parents' for Thanksgiving with plans to go deer hunting with my father and uncles. I managed to sprain my ankle on Thanksgivings Day, but was determined to go hunting the next day. I put linament on my ankle that night. I taped my ankle the next morning like I had when I played football. My mother, with the best intentions, gave me some Tylenol3 for the pain. Well... after the first drive of the day, the linament got really active from my taped ankle sweating and I was quite uncomfortable. When we regrouped, I was unable to make out faces at 50 yards. I unloaded my rifle immediately, slung it on my shoulder, and excused myself from the day's hunt. I probably could have pushed through, but I would rather lose a day's hunt than a family member.

[@mattscarf]

Exactly. The first item on the IMSAFE checklist is; Illness - Do I have any symptoms?

[@mi5iu491]

It's not tho.... if your really really sick it's a different level of impairment but just cause u have a flu doesn't mean it's the same as being wasted behind the wheel... do you know how many ppl get the flu per year in the usa? 40 million. If driving with the flu was like drinking and driving you'd have millions of fatalities a year. Stop exaggerating.

[@mi5iu491]

​@@cremebrulee4759its not tho. 40 million ppl get the flu a year in the usa. And many of them drive.... you really think a drunk driver is the same as some that is sick.... hahahahahahaha..... you must be boring at parties dude

[@davidbrandt6925]

As a former military pilot I'm VERY thankful for the professionals that trained us and the other great pilots I've flown with. We never missed a step in planning and preflight briefings were complete and post flight briefings were times of laughing at ourselves and learning. I'm so sorry for the loss of these eight souls.

[@airbedane]

Id only fly with a military pilot. My husband was a military test pilot. He always said "beware of the self improvers"

[@awhensley]

I live in Beaufort, NC a few miles from this crash. This was a very enlightening review of this tragedy. There was very little information available about this accident locally and you have answered many of my questions. This was such a preventable event. Thank you for your analysis. Hopefully, there will be lessons learned, but I am stunned by the multiple errors in judgment and reckless behavior of this pilot.

[@charlesbrewer6552]

I am 71 year old Australian pilot. I have been flying for over 40 years, these days I just fly my own LSA which I maintain myself so it is very cheap flying. In the 80's I worked as a charter pilot and flying instructor flying all the major singles and multiple twins including the Cessna 300 and 400 series I held multiengine Command Instrument ratings. It has seemed to me, for decades, that American pilots have an over reliance on the autopilot, to the detriment of instrument hand flying skill. On all of my training flights the autopilot was not used. VFR, NVMC, IFR, Approaches, the lot, ALL hand flown. Back in those old days the autopilots were pretty ordinary and it was usually much more comfortable and efficient to hand fly the plane. I used to read the American flying magazines with articles like " I suddenly found myself in the clouds so I immediately turned on the autopilot"! So many of these recent crashes involve mis-using an auto pilot, concentrating on un-important things, rather than the basics of flying the aircraft. Even when flying charter flights it was rare to use the autopilot unless the air craft was very sophisticated with a very reliable auto pilot. Hand flying was simply smoother! I remember One private flight in a piper single, into the cloud at 700ft, 3 hours hand flying in the clouds and VFR again at 700ft on approach at the destination. All quite normal! If you are flying IFR, you should be able to hand fly for hours without any stress or concern, it should be automatic. I once had a slowly failing and toppling attitude indicator while in cloud. A little confusing at first but the scan soon revealed the failing instrument. No problem just fly partial panel and carry on as normal! If you can't hand fly on instruments you have NO business flying IFR!

[@sugershakify]

Great comment. I got my instrument rating in a Grumman Tiger with only some KX155's and a DME. No GPS. No HSI. No autopilot. Scan. Scan. Scan. Scan. My instructors favorite teaching aid was a pack of yellow sticky notes he would randomly stick over gauges. Oops just lost your vacuum pump... now what. I do love having an autopilot when things start getting really really busy though. Even just a simple wing leveler can take a ton of stress off.

[@steinervision7643]

You are a good pilot!@@sugershakify

[@royhardman57]

L

[@BambinoAmericano]

I can relate to my sailing without GPS. I prefer to calculate my bearings myself, which provides me with the feeling that I know where I am! You cannot imagine the number of sailors who are not interested in being able to sail without GPS. Let alone the piloted sailing software.. Why don’t they play a sailing video game at home.. 😂

[@grantgre]

OK you're just lucky to be alive man. And know if you're in a fog somewhere and you're playing had a failure like the altitude indicator and positional how would you handle that?

[@magdalenapichler4182]

As a family doctor of several commercial pilots I always inform them about the side effects of their medication and give them enough time to recover. Most of them try to use this time on the ground for simulator training.

[@LIVE4040]

Another factor that should be considered is how much oxycodone was he taking (how often, what dosage). People do not recognize use of opioids over time can interfere w/the ability to problem solve. Thinking can be very impaired, including with that a sense of invincibility. His reliance on his inexperienced son was another bad sign.

[@MH-qb9ev]

As a family pilot of several doctors, I always inform them about the side effects of buying V-tail bonanzas.

[@magdalenapichler4182]

@@MH-qb9ev Haha, not here in Austria! I get € 20,96 per Patient per quarter of a year! My car is 14 years old.

[@Samson518]

@@MH-qb9ev😅

[@tscott6843]

Just read the transcript. The pilot had to be high on oxy. He never showed any professionalism at all. The last few minutes were brutal to read. He just cussed and yelled random stuff. The passengers had to be terrified.

[@Nikalette100]

@@JimRyser Just to clarify: *Addiction would be a psychological issue based on this person taking pain medication for something other than the pain, whether for longer, more often, greater doses to feel high in addition to pain relief. *Dependence would be the physiological issue based on stopping the drug being used just for pain, suddenly or too rapidly. An addict OR a dependent person experiences withdrawal symptoms. It seems unless he was used to very high doses, he would not feel withdrawal after just a day or two. If he was used to taking normal doses, he probably wouldn’t have the behavior you describe. Someone high might be more likely to act out as you describe,or it might contribute to it, but that sounds more like alcohol than an opioid. Sounds more like a personality, medical or emotional issue, based on his extreme lack of responsibility when having 7 lives in his hands, exascerbated perhaps by a medication. A tragedy.

[@john-nx4xn]

​@@Nikalette100if he'd been on oxy for a significant period of time and dosage. U can start feeling withdrawal after the last dose wears off. Inability to multitask is one of the symptoms. He should have never been cleared to fly. And throw post COVID into the mix which can cause "brain fog" I'd have never let my kids on that's plane

[@Chainsaw600]

As a young paramedic, our instructor told us that we’d likely not make any errors regarding treatment or drug therapy due to being new and very cognizant of this very fact. She said that an error will be made long after you’ve been a paramedic and become complacent. We had cross checks that had to be verbalized prior to any treatment that could cause a grievous error. Right patient, right drug, right dose, right route and right time. It seems that many of these crashes are caused by complacency and simple lack of good piloting procedures. This needs to stop.

[@therocinante3443]

I know it isn't as severe situation, but I learned this lesson making pizza. My first few months, I never burned myself on the pizza oven.. After that when I got comfortable, I started burning my arms all the time.

[@alisonwilson9749]

@@therocinante3443 I think it's true of a lot of jobs, safety critical ones or not. You get complacent when everything has gone fine for a while in any job unless you are aware of the risk of doing so, and make it a basic principle of what you do that you always go through safety procedures every time, however boring or time-consuming, or however anyone else may pressure you not to, or laugh at you for doing it. It has to be such an ingrained thing that you never skim through or skip it.

[@mikoto7693]

Oh wow, I work as a ramper (I herd planes around the apron) and we were taught the exact same thing. It’s probably not going to be the new staff that get themselves sucked into a jet engine or flattened by a reversing bowser, but those that have been there for awhile and have gotten comfortable with the apron environment.

[@D64nz]

@@mikoto7693 As the saying goes, fear keeps you alive. If you lose that, you need to become extra aware of your situation to comphensate.

[@mdw908]

Same thing with riding horses.

[@MrShobar]

How capable (and credible) is a man that allows others to call him "Teen"?

[@JosephGelis]

This guy wasn't going to have his fun "teen" years taken away from him until someone pried them out from his cold, dead fingers. If you are living your younger years vicariously via whatever means possible you damn well better grow up in the planning department so that you develop a very, very healthy appreciation of the fact that both the sea and the air are extremely unforgiving of even the slightest mistakes that are made in less than ideal conditions. Unfortunately for all souls onboard this vital understanding was not clearly communicated prior to the take-off roll.

[@kevintoews5656]

Tragic story, but well presented educational content. Thank you for helping us learn how to be better decision makers. Most of these long form lessons can be boiled down to a few key points. Don’t be in a hurry, plan ahead, don’t overestimate your abilities, and don’t be afraid to ask for help.

[@TheFox808]

This is why my instructor drilled into me... "aviate, navigate, communicate, in that order, no exceptions". Thanks Hoover, these debriefs will no doubt save lives in the future.

[@mobtek]

This guy failed all 3

[@beermaven2197]

I was going to say it sounds like this guy got so caught up in the navigation that he neglected what I would have thought was the #1 priority: make sure the plane is flying.

[@eamonnw]

oxygen

[@TheDjcarter1966]

That was me too, the whole time I'm yelling at the video, AVIATE,AVIATE,AVIATE!!!

[@jjk2one]

36 years ago and never forgot arch, look, reach, pull and fly like a bird

[@pollylewis9611]

I sit here and go why, just how all these mistakes were made, so heartbreaking, thank you for another great debrief Hoover.

[@choua01]

lack of planning ahead cause all that mistake lol.

[@pollylewis9611]

For sure right.@@choua01

[@pmccoy8924]

A plane full of souls you allow your kid that no clue what he is doing be navigator. Absolutely reckless. Tragic.

[@pollylewis9611]

Heart breaking for sure!@@pmccoy8924

[@AceofWaters819]

Oxy codone

[@jonathanwpressman]

I'm new to this channel. The dude always discusses situations with dignity, doesn't pander to anger and lays proper blame without making character attacks. Classy channel.

[@bostonkiter1010]

Whenever I hear that a pilot has an instrument rating, I always ask myself, how many hours does that person have using their instrument rating. If you haven’t done so already, Hoover, please discuss the importance of IFR flight planning practice! Great work as usual, sir.

[@pilot-debrief]

Great point!

[@gcorriveau6864]

That's an excellent point and is crucial in a fast and highly complex aircraft like the Pilatus. IFR skills, as well as all the 'switchology' for operating complex nav and autoflight systems are skills that erode very quickly with dis-use.

[@pablobertuzzi3439]

Isn't it easier to fly IFR than VFR?

[@hefeibao]

@@gcorriveau6864 Especially as you get older...

[@hefeibao]

@@pablobertuzzi3439 Hahahhahahaha. If you are *proficient* then in many ways yes. If you are not proficient? *shudder*

[@donitawhite8111]

I follow another KZbinr called Fly with Kay. After watching numerous videos, I began to fast forward through the first 5-10 minutes because she is sooo meticulous with her preflight checklist that it takes awhile. She never rushes or skips any steps. The second I heard you say that Teen took off 3 minutes after they boarded the plane I knew that wasn't the way it's supposed to go.

[@mitchcornacchia968]

He had no business flying anyone!!!!!! What a beautiful forensic debrief..prayers for the victims

[@patriot20000]

I've always wondered...what do prayers for dead people do for them? Seriously.

[@michaeltodd1115]

Good to have you back, Hoover.

[@crazyralph6386]

@user-eb6bw5jn1ygo away

[@flexairz]

@user-eb6bw5jn1y 🤡

[@sarahalbers5555]

So why are you here?​@user-eb6bw5jn1y

[@flack3]

@user-eb6bw5jn1y Filthy troll

[@StephenRoseDuo]

Another thing I believe needs to be mentioned is that this appears to be yet another pilot who treats the autopilot as a crutch rather than an aid. Autopilot should not be used to compensate for poor flying ability.

[@Timshot100]

Yes and Dude didn’t even bring his glasses

[@baronvolkov6172]

@@Timshot100 and flying VFR

[@MarcosElMalo2]

@@baronvolkov6172 His reading glasses. He needed glasses to see his iPad, not to fly VFR.

[@tomn8204]

To Strike Eagle veteran: your are literally saving lives with these cautionary debriefs. Massive respect for your efforts! Thanks a Million & please continue your work !👍☮❤

[@Hidden_Destinations]

I’m not even a pilot, but I really appreciate these videos. A disaster is often a string of errors and I see that recurring theme in your videos. Thank you.

[@alanhill4334]

When I was a flying instructer I ran across a few students who were wealthy business men with deep pockets and big egos, a dangerous combination.

[@Auron710]

You see it all the time in things like music and acting where people who are mid or even terrible got there on wealth or nepotism. The difference is they are not likely to kill people doing that.

[@craigramirez948]

How is this pertinent to this case? The owner of the plane (I.e. your wealthy businessman) was not the pilot.

[@leaettahyer9175]

You mean flight instructor.

[@jackspinner4727]

@@craigramirez948he was just making a point in his experience

[@Tryp-j9d]

Instructer?? DUMBA$$!!!

[@Metonymy1979]

I have to say that I love and appreciate that all of your videos show the utmost compassion and empathy for everyone that has died. Including the one that made the error. Its kind and also more professional. Thank you for having such a refreshing channel.

[@erictaylor5462]

At the time this happened my dad was an instrument rated pilot and CFI, with a lot of time in actual IMC. This night he was flying over city lights then just as he was completing a turn he flew into an unseen cloud. Instantly he transitioned to instrument flying and saw his attitude indicator showed he was level, but he had a very strong sensation of being in an increasing bank. For the next several seconds it took a very strong force of will to correct for the imaginary bank and the sensation continued until he flew out of the cloud and could see the city lights again. He said this was one of the most terrifying things that he ever experienced while flying, and he was once with a student on final. He saw they were a bit high and dad suggest the student perform a side slip, but instead of a sideslip the student performed a snap roll. That would have been embarrassing for the student but he was so startled he lit the controls go half way through the roll. Now they were at low altitude and low airspeed and the were inverted. Dad pulled it out, but he figures they came withing less than a foot of the ground. The propeller and tail were stained green from the wheat field they had been over (The wheat would have been knee high that time of year). After his vertigo experience he finally understood how that happens. My dad had the training and experience to deal with that disorientation. The seat of your pants is a lying ass.

[@toddsmith8608]

I had a similar experience taking off night vfr from an airport on the gulf coast. Small plane, no autopilot, clear skies, no clouds. Departed runway heading southeast out over the gulf, started a left turn to the north after about a mile. Spatial disorientation hit big time as the lights along the coast tried to tell my brain that was the horizon. Went straight to the instruments and had to focus really hard. The feeling in my head of our pitch and roll angles did not agree at all with what the instruments said, but i forced myself to fly the gauges. At the time i had a couple thousand hours, commercial & instrument rating, etc, but it still took all my willpower to focus on and believe the instruments. From then on I knew exactly how dangerous spatial disorientation can be.

[@KimWentworth-y8e]

Trust your instruments.

[@LordMondegrene]

"... stained green from the wheat." Jesus. H. Christ.

[@thecityman1910]

@@LordMondegrene well said. I think he was in that field!

[@lauran3244]

Holy smokes that just makes my hands sweaty to read. I don’t think I’d fly in anything lower than 2000’ agl in single engine piston.

[@rturner9]

The negligence here is palpable. Unreal how so many careless individuals are able to fly aircraft. Such a terrible loss on such a short flight. I frequent Beaufort throughout the Summer and that is such a short drive. Should've seen the weather and called the flight off.

[@Freefallpilot65]

"get home-itis"

[@tonynieuwoudt8469]

With that many subscribers, you have probably saved more lives than the Air National Guard. Thanks Hoover!

[@MarionBlair]

I appreciate your restraint shown in refraining from personal attacks against the pilot. Similarly, TNflygirl, despite having significantly less experience compared to the Pilatus pilot, shared a common experience. Both individuals lacked familiarity with operating the airplane navigation system, which may have contributed to the autopilot-induced stall.

[@mowtivatedmechanic1172]

AP distraction and over reliance is the throughline culprit. I tell people to turn that thing off if it’s giving you any issues at all.

[@PRC533]

I would also say that tunnel vision due to the unexpected failures was a significant factor. We can see in this incident that despite continuous auditory and kinetic warnings, the pilot continued to be worried about his navigation settings right up until the plane completely stalled. In these conditions, the task saturation can lead to this kind of single minded focus and it's just really hard to read and watch it all happen from the outside.

[@claytonsanders508]

Pilot’s literal flight plan: “let’s just follow the dang coast” 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Ahmooex]

This was a tough one to listen to. Thanks for the great debriefs.

[@glenpaul3606]

I am a private pilot with a night rating and float plane rating. I'm old now and haven't flown in many years but stories like these cause me to recall an incident that happened when I was back in my flying days. Some friends of mine also into aviation decided we should all fly down from Toronto, Ontario, Canada to a huge annual event for aviators called Oshkosh in Wisconsin. This is a huge event with thousands of pilots flying in to attend. One friend was able to get access to a Cessna 310 twin aircraft for this trip. Unknown to me at the time, one of the pilots was twin rated but not IFR rated, the other pilot was IFR rated but NOT twin rated. I was simply a passenger on this trip and did not find out all this until we were well into our flight down to Oshkosh. As it turned out that day the weather was overcast with rain...definitely IFR conditions. As we approached the Oshkosh area things got very hectic with many planes all trying to get into Oshkosh airport in IFR conditions. Listening to the hectic air traffic on the radios it became obvious that our two pilots were struggling with the crazy traffic including holds, pattern changes, vectors, and all while flying in clouds along with many other aircraft in our immediate airspace, To say I was terrified was an understatement. Risk of airborne collision was high for us as our pilots struggled and I so wished I hadn't gotten on this airplane. This went on for an hour and I was praying silently that we would make it in safely, which we finally did. The fear that the passengers of the flight described in this video reminded me of the fear I experienced during this Oshkosh trip. What a horrible exoerience especially those last moments as the aircraft plummeted into the ocean. May God rest their souls..

[@betsyj59]

Come back and edit your post - you hit reply before you finished. I want to read what happened!

[@Quisqueyax]

Oshkosh is a nightmare to land, but if you added IFR... you better be good. 😅

[@FUMoney33]

How did you get home? Same pilots?

[@lambo6325]

God must have heard and answered your prayers.

[@Coldfeverx3]

*crazy story.*

[@emmettjones5165]

I wish my dad was still around to share your channel with. He was a GA IR pilot from 1949 until I was a late teen in the 1980's. I hear so many of his tales of caution in your debriefs. He was a superb instrument IP and would thoroughly agree with your assessment here. 💯

[@gorillaau]

1949? Back then you really had to know your stuff. No modern aids of any sort.

[@emmettjones5165]

@@gorillaau Well, by 1949, VOR/DME had already been in use for a few years, and was expanding across the country rapidly. Ironically, in the 1920's, air mail pilots followed a series of concrete arrows on the ground along air routes, lit with beacon lights for flying across the country day and night, at a time when America did not have an interstate highway system, and most state roads were still mud or gravel. By the end of WWII, all those tech advantages in signals navigation went right into civilian use. By 1954, my dad got his instrument rating, and could fly at night. Like you said, he knew his stuff, ..he was an electrical engineer, and right out of college one of his first projects was one of the first analog flight simulators, for the Navy's P2V Neptune. Navy needed one, as the Neptune was an ensign killer if you lost power in one engine on take-off. Those were the days, alright.💯

[@pob2457]

These debrief's must be helping so many pilots improve their skills and save lives - thanks for taking the time to create these!

[@tellurye]

Hoover, man, Im lovin your channel! It just popped up in my suggestions, and Im totally hooked! Great content, explanation, and entertaining as well as educational. Thanks!!

[@nanaman]

Me too

[@57Jimmy]

I can’t for the life of me understand how anyone with this kind of reasonable amount of hrs (3000) could even think to take a sophisticated aircraft load it with ‘souls onboard’, not even knowing how to enter properly into the autopilot but fully expecting his son, with very little time even just flying to do it ‘in the air’! Just boggles the mind!

[@DrTheRich]

Seeing the obession he has with trying to get the auto-pilot to fly for him till the last second... makes me wonder if he actually knows how to fly a plane by hand... autopilot would be the last thing i'd be thinking about using when things are going bad...

[@DavesHangar1958]

Just because someone has a pilot license doesn't mean they should be flying.

[@damkayaker]

@@aquaticape2273 - They can be stubborn know it alls who will not take advice. Their way or no way.

don't forget he even forgot his own eye glasses and wasn't able to see or read without them

[@jamesfranko5098]

It's American training standards. There's no way someone with his training should have that few skills but in America you can pay to get through the training and the standard are poor to begin with. These kind of situation are insanely rare in other first world countries with high standards.

[@canadianmaple09]

Hoover offers extensively researched, professionally informed commentary that takes into account dozens of factors. I can't do that, so here's my take: NEVER trust a 67 year old man whose nickname is "Teen". He started exhibiting poor decision making and used repeated expletives long before the plane was in any immediate danger. He was really living up to that nickname, and it got 8 people killed.

[@MarieAntoinetteandherlittlesis]

The fact that he was on Percocet ALONE should have grounded him. His attitude plus his medical history was a recipe for disaster. So sad he took 7 people with him.

[@bencompton799]

Brilliant commentary on a sad piloting situation. I find it difficult to understand how.a pilot can make so many basic errors, each one compounding upon the previous missteps. Very informative. Thank you.

[@irchrisb]

I used to work with a former F15 pilot. I asked him if he still flew. He said he didn't because there were too many people in the air who didn't know what they were doing.

[@leevancleef358]

Thats why I stopped riding my motorcycle

[@sludge8506]

Irch, can you go into more detail?? His reason really doesn’t make any sense.

[@stevefisher2553]

And it's going to get A LOT worse

[@stevefisher2553]

​@@leevancleef358same

[@F15cCrewdawg]

Another reason could be because after flying the F15, flying anything civilian would be boring. It's like going from an F1 racer to a Camry. Do civilian planes get you from point A to point B? Can flying be a lot of fun? Sure, but it certainly isn't an F15. Hell, even stunt planes can't compare to the Eagle 😂😂

[@johnadams7389]

Such a tragic story, but thank you for the debrief Hoover. I appreciate the fact that you stress the importance of the debrief in being crucial for improving performance for the future, while being sensitive to the families of the victims.

[@christianlee8093]

As a young pilot these debriefs are invaluable and I take something away each time ! Thank you! Sorry for the victims 😢

[@ccfdmd]

I'm local to this incident. It was a very sad situation with so many young lives lost. For a long time i was assuming it would be a medical emergency leading to the crash. Then they published the CVR transcript and even to a non-pilot like me and it was painfully obvious the pilot was completely unaware of what was going on

[@mikoto7693]

I know right? It got to the point where if I’d been a passenger I might’ve ask “Uh, do you want me to hang on to the yoke and just fly straight, wings level while you figure out WTF you’ve done to the navigation?”

[@LaserGuy64]

From a former Eagle Keeper, glad to have you back on here!! 32TFS

[@ninjaswordtothehead]

Haven't heard that phrase in two decades. 90thFS.

[@cherylbusch6236]

The second he says, “we’ll figure that out later”-you know they’re doomed! Unfortunately, he had TOO much to “figure out later” and the clueless son adds volumes to the tragedy.

[@jimdavis1939]

Great post as usual Hoover! Let me make sure I get this straight, he did not check the weather, did no preflight brief to his co-pilot, did not know R5306 was hot, did not set up his flight management system so he could navigate to his destination airport, and departed into IMC conditions without a clearance, got completely confused and disoriented and ended the lives of everyone on board. Absolutely unconscionable! The PC12 is a high performance demanding airplane that needs to be flown carefully. I hate to say it but this guy and his passengers were dead before engine start. Incredibly sad, but entirely avoidable.

[@pilot-debrief]

100%

[@Frankie2751]

Don’t forget his copilot was a student pilot who is most likely never done any IFR training and hasn’t fully mastered using the GPS

[@jimdavis1939]

@@Frankie2751very true, I read the transcripts from the CVR and that poor kid had no idea what he was doing. This goes to my point about not doing a brief and not setting up the Flight Management System prior to departure. So many failures on the part of the PIC.

[@rainscratch]

Sounds like his dad thought he had a trained co-pilot in the right hand seat. The son probably doing his best not to disappoint dad. Tragedy all the way.@@Frankie2751

[@donmoore7785]

OMG - the fact there is a recording of the audio unveils the tragic errors of the pilot. There is no need to question what possibly could have happened.

[@Salesman263]

How can one pilot be so bad? RIP to all. What a terrible waste of life.

[@mikegarippo7815]

Lives, not "life."

[@deardaughter]

Thank you for this. I’ll never understand how or why a pilot wouldn’t take every precaution, requirement and redundancy available, let alone with so many souls on board.

[@davidbeise7385]

What a great explanation of the sequence of events that lead to this tragedy. When I was taking my flight training we had stall/spin recoveries drilled into us and it appears in this case that this 3000 hour pilot was preoccupied with other things rather than getting full control of the airplane first. Sad ending.

[@mikoto7693]

To be honest, as a non pilot I was wondering about that. Surely the steps to take when the stick shaker kicks in is drilled into them during training? Why didn’t he just set the aircraft up for level flight and just fly straight while he sorted navigation?

[@dreiaugen]

After hearing the entire story, I'm guessing he had some kind of cognitive impairment. It certainly seems odd that a 3000-hour pilot who was previously able to handle such a complex aircraft, suddenly falls apart and can't manage the basics of a flight (such as checking the weather). Perhaps it was a temporary impairment due to the medications he was taking, and/or his recent covid episode. It's also possible that it was a longer-term issue such as early symptoms of dementia. I've had relatives with dementia and early-on it can manifest itself as forgetfulness and inability to handle processes that are otherwise well-known.

[@ruthgiles8926]

​@@dreiaugenbrain fog has now become recognized as a common symptom of long CoViD. It is even possible that that was a factor.

[@dreiaugen]

@@ruthgiles8926 absolutely

[@tonylevine2716]

I found your channel a few days ago and am addicted to it! I’m retired from the Air Force and have worked around pilots most of my career, so it gave me that itch to one day pursue a private pilot license, which I hope to do soon. It is so sad the mistakes of these pilots caused the senseless deaths of not only them but their loved ones and friends. As you stated, it’s a culmination of bad habits all coming together that day. I’m a former Motorcycle Safety Foundation instructor, and I used to tell my students that their bad habits would eventually catch up with them if they didn’t change them. Develop good habits not bad ones!! Outstanding channel and you are teaching so many people of what not to do to save lives!! 🙏🏾👏🏾👍🏾❤️

[@willmcbride4435]

I flew a lot with dad as a kid. I flew as a young man in plenty of actual IMC. It’s been almost 20 years since I last sat in the cockpit, but these stories make my pulse quicken and my mouth taste metallic. So many poor choices in this sad tale. Bedtime stories to chill your bones, for sure. Keep them coming, please.

[@jarrettleto]

I fly this area semi-often and everyone knows you HAVE to have a flight plan set up in the GPS before taking off if VFR (and obviously if IFR as well). Look at all the restricted/warning/MOA areas. I always check the altitudes, see if I need to contact ATC about any being hot, etc. I couldn't imagine just winging it like that in a plane I had no idea how to use the avionics in. Then the IFR panic attack is very sad at the end as well.

[@foxlake6750]

Would you load the way points into the nav. system before you left to reduce work load etc. ?

[@crissd8283]

You have to has in the system won't let you once you are flying?? What if there is a change of plans?

[@daveminnigerode8274]

@@crissd8283 you can change things at any time. But you have to know how to use the system cold. Otherwise when you get stressed you forget things and overly focused on messing with it. Taking off into IFR without your Flight Plan setup is just nuts. Shows really bad operational attitude on the part of the pilot.

[@crissd8283]

@@daveminnigerode8274 I agree it is nuts. I though you were saying the system will lock you out of programming it once you are moving and that would also be insane.

[@daveminnigerode8274]

You can edit anything at any time, and in most cases it's not a big deal at all to change destinations, approaches or whatever. But what is easy on the ground can be almost impossible when you're over saturated in a bad situation. @@crissd8283

[@portcall7]

Flight planning and flight briefings are not just for military and commercial pilots, but everyone that takes to the air. Thank you for your clear explanations. You will save lives.

[@craigmeredith9972]

I’m a student pilot with only about 20 hours with my CFI. Using checklists is being hammered home on every flight lesson. In addition, the IMSAFE checklist would possibly have been enough to not fly. Very sad to see the chain reaction leading to such a horrible ending. Thanks Hoover for the detailed explanation.

[@DrDeuteron]

What is IMSAFE? Like: did you drink 🍹, sick, in a cast, …?

[@superMrpena]

Im soloing cross country today for the first time! Thanks for the videos your vids help me so much to understand some concepts

[@pilot-debrief]

Congrats! Have a safe and fun flight!

[@therocinante3443]

As Scott Manley says, "Fly safe!"

[@mikoto7693]

Don’t forget to post here tomorrow to tell us you made it.

[@superMrpena]

Went so smoothly! Got flight following from KSEE to KHMT to KRNM TO KSEE usually I struggle with untowered airports but today everything came together and was great!

[@matthewlupton1539]

My dad is from the local town all these kids were from and when I was visiting last time we drove up to the monument the community made for them. It really sucks to hear that it could’ve been completely avoidable, if only the pilots could see how much this devastated so many people other than just the ones involved

[@ElJulioso]

A friend of mine had cancer, and he took oxycodone for the pain. It helped his pain somewhat, but also made him a DANGEROUSLY INCOMPETENT DRIVER. It was actually terrifying being the passenger while he was driving. He would run into other cars for no reason, blow red lights, try to take u-turns when there is not enough room to do so, fail to notice cars up ahead that were braking causing him to have to brake very hard not to crash, etc. I had to take over driving from him on numerous occasions because of this. People on opioids probably shouldn't drive while on them, for the same reason that people who are very drunk should not drive. Doubly so for flying planes.

[@colin-nekritz]

@user-eb6bw5jn1yall the people whose lives are put in danger around someone operating a vehicle under the influence of others, those people care.

[@leelaural]

do not take oxycodone, etc...what you are doing is attaining some numbness and when that is gone you need more numbness....we need to deal with pain with simpler meds and treatments...

[@prevost8686]

If everyone taking mind altering substances chose not to drive you’d have the interstate highways all to yourself. America is drowning in pills, pot, and alcohol.

[@jjk2one]

@@prevost8686 The fermented foods like probiotics have alcohol in them

[@suem6004]

Not true at all. Stop demonizing pain meds. Taken at 'to effect' levels is not disorienting. You cannot get that way as the opioids bind to pain protein molecules. But if you take indiscriminately and not to effect, then no binding receptors available. So, pain meds not the fault. Dosaging is. I am sure other drugs were contributing factor.

[@Zoeeee11]

It’s sad how the son stopped talking towards the end.. shows how terrified he was, 😢.

[@rlmcculley]

I recently subscribed to your channel because you break everything down so thoroughly and there so much incredibly good information that you make available through each debrief. You are a gifted communicator - I am not a pilot but have always had a tremendous interest in flying. Great job, Hoover.

[@Mikeinriver]

I know absolutely nothing about planes or flying but you make it sound so interesting I love listening to your channel....👏👏👏

[@pilot-debrief]

Awesome, thank you!

[@lostinspace013]

Same here. Super interesting channel.

[@NW-yy3pz]

Tragic! Welcome back Hoober , debriefs always at the Top thank you🙏

[@shaunmorrissey7313]

Nor Me but one thing I have learned is that there is an awful lot of people flying aircraft that shouldn't be

[@raymondo162]

@@shaunmorrissey7313i was just thinking the same thing.............. !!!

[@Jimjef]

Wow, that was so grossly negligent it bordered on suicide. I really feel for innocent people who trust utterly incompetent people with their lives. So sad.

[@MarieAntoinetteandherlittlesis]

Honestly. I’m wondering, like did he have a stroke or something?? Surely a pilot would quickly realize that their incompetence will result in death and maybe step it up. The final minutes of his flight, when he was muttering one word at a time. He genuinely sounds like he was mentally impaired or something. Either that or just a really terrible pilot.

[@REXOB9]

Thanks for your analysis of the flight, and compassion for those involved.

[@xrisc131]

During my flight training, I learned that I am not a pilot. I learned that details bore me. It was an invaluable lesson that prepared me to enjoy life.

[@amp888]

It's absolutely infuriating that someone as reckless as this can even get a pilot's license, nevermind take paying passengers. What a disgrace.

[@kevinmoffatt]

Agree entirely, but there is also the small matter of them flying above us and where their recklessness will bring them when they crash.

[@mxslick50]

And with the nickname "Teen" at his age, makes me wonder about his attitudes and level of responsibility. And for that, three other adults and four teens paid a terrible price.

[@mikedavis7065]

Yeah it's pretty incredible to me that through all this, they didn't just throttle up and set the trim to level flight and just cruise while they figure out the navigation. I only got about 8 hours behind the stick before I quit my training but I feel like even I could have gotten out of this situation. The flight was short and if they had plenty of fuel then they had a lot of time to figure it out instead of panicking and ignoring the gauges.

[@dabneyoffermein595]

at first I thought this was just friends of the family hunting trip, then I kept seeing references to "Commercial Pilot" and realized this was a paid hunting trip, (correct me if I'm wrong). Unbelievable that the flight planning was so terrible and he had an extra set of eyes and ears and still was horrible at all this. The son didn't offer much help at all and couldn't find fixes on the nav equipment, the most important of which was the airport Whiskey 95 or whatever is was, said he couldn't find it and the Dad says, "we'll worry about that later"...... from there on it was a cluster-f of a flight. what an absolute tragedy. ok so eight people, unbelievable

[@wcads623]

Shocking.😖😖

[@wayneh8767]

It's surprising that they don't have to report all these critical values, and information before they can depart an airfield, considering they are very important. Especially when lives are at risk, You have a great channel. Lots of good information.

[@RonaldEarlWilsher]

Excellent debrief, Sir. As many viewers I’m sure would agree, your videos contain many life lessons, even for non-pilots like me. One lesson I’m reminded of here is, it’s almost impossible to over-prepare, especially when other people have placed their life in your hands. Thank you and Godspeed.

[@lessharratt8719]

Your debriefs are ALWAYS valuable . I watch with amazement at these aviation reports that will have my 1978 military instructor spinning in his grave.

[@wdwltv2577]

Hi Hoover. I found your channel by accident,and it's outstanding,as one gets pure facts and delivered in an extremely professional way. I have never flown,but use to help my neighbor wash his,Citabria 7GCBC Champion Explorer. He had been a pilot for years,and sadly a week before I was to get my first ride,he was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and sold the plane.