Pilot Emilie FULL Review 2021: Honeycomb BRAVO Throttle Quadrant with Microsoft Flight Simulator2020

[@bassgojoe]

Your on camera speaking is so good now, it’s hard to believe you haven’t been doing this for years! Congrats on 100k subs :)

[@Pilotemilie]

Awww YAY!! Comments like these mean a lot to me, thank you!! :)

[@henrih3080]

Yes true !

[@JOHNAKM85]

@@Pilotemilie REALLY GOOD EMILIE ... KEEP IT UP ... :)

[@truthfilterforyoutube8218]

@@Pilotemilie You are completely right about the " FLC" . I too am a pilot and I find this a huge oversight by Honeycombe. In the 182 Coronado I am helping my father with it actually presents itself as a barrier. So I have not yet found a work around.

[@semuylbahi6022]

@@Pilotemilie hi

[@cindercide]

Assuming you have the most recent drivers for the throttle, the IAS light and AP mode select dial should work correctly. IAS effectively acts as FLC (at least in the cessna 172). Set the desired altitude with the knob and then press IAS and set the desired speed. It will then change flight levels at the desired speed and level off at the set altitude.

[@armygunner2002]

Great video Emilie!! I'm waiting for my Bravo quadrant to come in, I got the Alpha just before new year's and absolutely love it.

[@nezbrun872]

@@SunnyFloridaLife Been waiting since 10 August here :-(

[@andybeckett6508]

So refreshing to see a well balanced review of a flight sim product by a professional pilot. I’m always looking for ways to improve the immersive experience and environment and clearly the combination of yoke and throttle quadrant is the way to go. Thank you for taking the time to film and share this review x

[@nimit9575]

Started my simulation journey with Bravo. Couldn't agree with your review more. This video is really helpful for anyone wondering if Bravo should be their choice of hardware.

[@garyhardman8369]

Ninja is beautiful. We had a little kitty called Cleo, who we rescued when she was very small. Cleo regarded my wife as her mum, and followed her everywhere. Cleo got sick last year, when she was nearly seventeen years old. She couldn't be cured, so, we had to have her put to sleep, to end her suffering. My wife and I are now in our twilight years, so will not be able to have another kitty, as it would probably outlive us. Who would look after it then? Sorry for the sad comment. I do try to fly Flight sim X. Maybe I'll upgrade my pc one day and try FS2020. Thanks for the Channel.

[@helicopterdriver]

Get another cat, somebody will love it regardless. They are cats, longing for a caretaker, waiting for a head rub. :D

[@Hockeyguy8541]

Just ordered mine a week ago, I loved the yoke so much I can't wait to get this. It's gonna take 4 years to get here and the wait is KILLING me

[@gregorymg2006]

I’m and instrument rated ppl and I use this to practice approaches all the time. This is a fantastic way to somewhat keep the rust off just a bit!

[@Pilotemilie]

Love this!!! So glad to see & hear someone confirm this :)

[@gregorymg2006]

@@Pilotemilie I also use ForeFlight with the sim. I’m thinking about trying the live ATC interaction you showcased in one of your recent videos.

[@Pilotemilie]

@@gregorymg2006 There's VATSIM (I haven't tried) for free & PilotEdge costs a little so there's options for you! 😊

[@gregorymg2006]

@@Pilotemilie thanks, I’ll give them a try.

[@henrih3080]

@@gregorymg2006 I would love to see some GA= General Aviation flying on your channel in the future ! When you are flying again after the end of the lockdown depending where your live !

[@lancesmith4102]

Loved the video thanks Emilie, can't wait for my Bravo to arrive ..

[@BackCountryWolf]

I just got mines yesterday and I gotta say right now it seems to be the best on the market.

[@Pilotemilie]

It really blows things out of the park eh!

[@BackCountryWolf]

@@Pilotemilie agree I couldn't believe the size of it when I first unbox it. Keep the videos coming....thanks to you I'm learning to fly although my favorite planes gotta be commercial lol

[@donc9751]

I just ordered the Honeycomb Alpha Yoke and their Bravo Throttle Quadrant a day or two ago, so I'm happy to hear you like Honeycomb so much!! Their throttle, with the switchable lever handles so that you can set your throttle up for flying either small GA aircraft up to twin engines and the additional while throttle levers for up to 4 engines in a large commercial jet. Hopefully they will both fit on my computer desk ok!! I've had MSFS 2020 since it came out, but have yet to even set it up, only flew it a time or two using my old CH Fighterstick, which was great for WW2 combat sims like IL2 Sturmovik etc. But not so great with XP11 or MSFS2020 and the fact that the old stick is not recognized by MSFS2020 means I'd just have to program every single button function into the sim manually which would be a real PIA! So I've mostly held off on even trying to fly it. For that and other reasons. But now I'm ready and wanting to get it set up so I can do some serious flying and after looking over and comparing all the options for a Yoke and Throttle Quadrant, this looks like the more reasonable solution, or the best period at it's price point! I can't wait until they arrive! Thanks for posting this review Pilot Emilie!

[@russelsolis]

The "sh*t" at 10:21 got me :) As far as the friction-locking flap lever for the airbus throttle pack, I'm planning on modding it to have detents for flaps 1-4, like using a slotted strip then a very shallow middle channel beneath the spring loaded friction lock. I remapped the flaps switch at the right end to arm/disarm the ground spoilers. Yep, I'm a wannabee 'bus driver and very happy with the bravo.

[@philip1065]

Love the the cheers at the beginning, entertaining as always

[@Pilotemilie]

:D

[@ToxicDover]

Cheers for the review! Currently waiting on my Alpha and Bravo both to get off of backorder and ship haha

[@kbg990]

I got mine Wednesday last week and I love it! I love a bit of realism in my simming but without having to build a home cockpit or buying 15 different peripherals. The fact that the Bravo has, apart from the throttle quadrant, also the autopilot controls, flaps, a trim wheel, light switches, etc, makes it WELL WORTH the $250 US! Cannot wait for Honeycomb rudders next!

[@billt2341]

Hi AggroNerd, how did you get everything needed, I mean Documentation and instructions needed for the setup. I have had a very difficult time finding the instructions, I am not a nerd or techie, 83 years of age.

[@kbg990]

@@billt2341 Hi. what instructions specifically? The quadrant worked out-of-the-box for the most part already. See my comment above with a good video about how to tweak the autopilot to work a bit better.

[@lemonmane69]

@@billt2341 You could search for videos on youtube. i am sure there is something out there

[@billt2341]

@@lemonmane69 Thanks for the reply, but I gave up on it months ago, too difficult to set up for me.

[@lemonmane69]

@@billt2341 oh well sadly, did you sell it or do you still have it?

[@flex5002]

Honeycomb is definitely a great stuff for flyin.. and must have a least 2 of Alpha and Bravo as rudder pedals in a future, its totally changing the way of playing of flight simulators.. and you even like more flying other planes now with Honeycomb than without it. For sure its a good Note from Emilie that Honeycomb need to atjust som things in a future for better experiencing of Autopiloting modes. Emilie Please make some videos about how Real pilots planing a flight from A to B with taxing, departure and arriving to the airports. Aprreciate that. Keep going and have a good flights!

[@sksupply]

Think I'll have mine by spring. Ordered 2 weeks agao. New to the channel but appears very good. Thanks

[@tim-hypnotherapist]

I got both as well...and I ordered an under desk mount from AllSportSystems...worth its weight in gold

[@hunterbrowncomposer8990]

That is a really cool Q400 model in the background

[@dale116dot7]

Thanks for the reviews, very helpful. Mine is scheduled to ship in May, my yoke and rudder pedals just got shipped and are in the mail.... looking forward to getting it all set up.

[@dale116dot7]

The yoke and rudders came in, tried it from CYLL to CYEG, runway 30. Really nice feel, reminds me a bit of the feel of a real Piper. The scenery in FS is pretty impressive, farmyards look very close to what is really there, I flew over some that I had been in as a kid.

[@rubes3927]

As a commercial pilot, can confirm that this is such a fantastic product 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻 I’m so impressed with the friction Honeycomb was able to provide with these throttles. With the friction turned all the way up they feel like real Seminole or Baron throttles 😁😁

[@pjsonpiano]

Nice review. Sad about the autopilot I was kinda hoping it would make it easier to set up and control but the trim wheels and levers it sounds like a winner. One day mine will ship lol

[@keithdmello]

Wow 100,000 people have subbed your channel. That's no small feat.Soon you'll be at 1 Million1

[@jayalicekurtmaya]

Thanks for the review Emilie. I clicked in to watch a 10min throttle review and spent an hour watching your DRC & other videos! We're MSFS noobs, originally from Toronto but living in Africa, so you ticked all the boxes! Great content, thanks & good luck.

[@johnkenneth918]

Thank you Emilie! It's really bad and sad that you can't be up in the skies so often these days, but you do bring a lot of joy and knowledge to the youtube and sim community. That is much needed these days for most of us, so I thank you for your great and high quality videos. Keep it up and please, keep on smiling :)

[@hugbernard1482]

I m really not an aviation's tricks professionnal, not even a newbie: :-) i click here only for your happiness and for your smile ! And it works! i get it!! Thank you Emilie !

[@Pilotemilie]

Thanks! 😃

[@jessejaques232]

From memory you can set the VS to what you require, then you can press ALT and enter your desired altitude. Should level off at that altitude. Same for descents.

[@johnadam5702]

Loved the honesty of the landing!

[@GrubbyZebra]

The Airbus flap lever has a plunger-type detent that locks into the little toothed track next to the slot. I guess they couldn't do that with the Boeing style one because the lever handle just slips on, so trying pull it up would just pull thr handle off. Wish they had put some sort of locking mechanism on the handle so this functionality was there.

[@treloarw]

Great review Emilie! I just ordered the yoke and throttle but am curious about how exactly I will need to set up rudder use as I don’t have pedals yet and obviously won’t have a joystick to twist anymore.

[@zaviationn]

I mean it won’t be the best, but maybe you can use the yoke as the roll and yaw? I’m not sure, or keep your joystick near you and use that.

[@juancarrasco6598]

You’re consistently evolving and becoming a really good KZbinr. Not to mention one hell of a pilot. Love your channel. 🥰🥰🥰🥰 From Texas!!!

[@mikecoffee100]

great review I am planning on getting the TH Quadrant but and not the yoke for now and LG joy stick and later some rudder peddles.

[@johnmnv1982]

I'm about to make the purchase, but I wanted to be sure about the quality and characteristics. Thanks for that info. BTW. I love your eyes :P

[@Unrattled]

I'm putting together a flight sim now. I'm doing a Logitech yoke to start but plan on upgrading to these later. No huge dreams of being a pilot, just a huge fan of anything that flies and huge fan of aviation and wanna learn more about what you guys experience in the air. Oh plus I work at FedEx in Memphis. Jet blast is very frequent when you work in an active airport. Huge fan Emilie, keep up the good work and keep that spark you have. I learn so much about aviation from you.

[@AndrewDean777]

Great video Em! How about you get a gig as a consultant with Honeycomb with the autopilot redesign?

[@AM-6030]

Your passion is very contagious! This is a great video- Professional, classy, and really motivating me to configure my Bravo Throttle properly!

[@Cbaoth65]

Great pilot, great simmer, and great youtubers.... Just perfect, keep going Emilie ☺️

[@jlyalls]

Awesome Video Emilie! Thank you for the review on the Honeycomb products!

[@heinzpilot]

Just got mine yesterday. It's awesome. Great for home sim setups.

[@ButchNackley]

I love my Alpha and Bravo. Got the Thrustmaster TPR pedals and Logitech switch panel to along with them. I do plan to get two Logitech throttle quadrant to mount below the Bravo for 4 engines planes, (DC-6). Fight sims and equipment for them have come so far.

[@jordanhannah3912]

Im certainly grabbing myself that throttle quadrant sometime, but for now im just getting a logitech yoke and throttle because I started out with a X-52 Professional HOTAS and I have never used a yoke before. Btw great video!

[@eliasai.ngwada8393]

Nice program

[@mikesbigtank6015]

Hey love the videos, my favorite ones are the flight sim lessons it's been 3 months since the last one, will you be doing any more?

[@Pilotemilie]

Thank you Mike! It's slightly hard for me - they take a LOT of prep time & it didn't seem like they got much engagement/were popular. I can re-assess this down the line & see how I feel. Very hard when KZbin doesn't necessarily reward you for your hard work!! :) I appreciate this though!

[@Афим-ц4у]

A real pilot, even in the game, has everything for real and serious! 😎👍😁

[@JDRichard]

I just loved your s*** comment on that Landing. Just found you on KZbin and I think that that you're doing a great job. Most of my videos are watch repair, guitar, Magic and flight simulation using the same setup you have. Glad I found your channel it's good to see a real pilot demonstrating how these flight controls work

[@jakeperl5857]

Thank you for this review! I'm wondering if you had any difficulty with the smaller scale Boeing throttles?

[@naxos21]

This is unbelivable smart idea. Thank you Emilie. Good Luck & Good Bless 👍🤕❤️

[@Ravencef]

I finally got my Alpha Yoke and love it. I'm so excited to get the Bravo. I keep hearing the same things you said about the autopilot issues, but as far as bang for the buck, this is the best choice. I suspect you will be getting the rudder pedals when they come out. I will be excited to hear what you think of those.

[@Thornprivate]

I ordered mine 3 months ago, hopefully it will show up soon!

[@Shannonbarnesdr1]

aaawww love da kitties, fuzzy babies are the best ! awesome update i cant wait to get both units, i am definitely going to get these for my flight sim computer

[@johndemerse9172]

Great video Emilie. Just received mine the other day from Aviation World after ordering it last September! Lots of fun so far figuring it out. Cheers from CYYB

[@dennisafowler]

You should try the Class Echo - it compliments the Alpha and Bravo wonderfully

[@speed150mph]

First off, I just wanna say GO FLAMES GO. I’ve watched a few of your videos and had no idea you were Canadian so that’s awesome. Second, regarding your complaint regarding the flap selector, I suggest you check out Russ barlows 737 flap modification. It adds a flap detent and lock system to the control which looks really good. Personally, one thing I would really like to see would be an autothrottle disconnect button on the throttle handle like you see in the actual 737. Anyways, keep on with your videos, your earned another subscriber from me.

[@dhiskeywick1776]

Thanks for the video. I'd listen to you explain anything! 😁

[@TransistorBased]

You slightly remind me of one of my friends who's also a pilot. And is named Emily. She's never really done flight sim stuff so I've been bugging her to try out my 737-based setup. I've got this throttle arriving today and I'm super hyped to give it a try

[@GerhardWinkler]

Nice try to land in Innsbruck /Tyrol/Austria. Thx for sharing this video

[@stephenbull2026]

Great video.Mine has been on order since October. One day....😃. My issue at the moment is I have now discovered MSFS in VR. So currently I am having to feel around my gear like a blind person as I have the headset on !! Going back to using a monitor is going to be hard !!

[@zatridevyatzemel]

Would be really nice if MSFS/Asobo added a feature to enable quick switching between VR video and the built-in cameras used for headset tracking (in HP Reverb G2 at least). The cameras are already there anyways, so why not make the surroundings visible to the user on request without having to take the headset off? Then we could just bind one of the white buttons of the Alpha yoke to that function, - problem solved!

[@stephenbull2026]

@@zatridevyatzemel Great idea. Not sure what the cameras are like on the G2, but on the Q2 they are low res black and white images. Setting frequencieson my logitech radio panel would be a struggle using them. But in the Q2 you have the option to double tap the side of the headset to activate the cameras. But of an immersion breaker,but will give it a go. 👍

[@henrih3080]

@Pilot Emilie amazing Review and great video as always!

[@rubenvanderkooij1571]

Hi captain :) I'm a newbie to your channel, and I love it! You're a great instructor, like the one where you explained stuff with the model (yaw, 3-axis etc). Can you also explain in a future vid something about trimming and how to do it? You talk about it a lot, but or I missed the vid where you explained it or you haven't yet explained it yet. So off topic lol. But still, I love your channel!

[@Stubakka99]

Great you've successfully sold this to me 😂 I also approve of the foam Flames finger too. 🔥

[@ede8193]

Emilie nice review!! thinking about getting this at some point, right now my Thrustmaster joy stick and throttle are doing good for me : )

[@jackthedragonkiller5097]

Dude I’m getting this anytime from now to Wednesday. Gulfcost said that all deliveries should be shipped the 19th and if the travel time by truck is correct, it’s a 33 hour drive to me, so it might get here today, or, Wednesday. Depending on if Kentucky loves me or not. All I know, is it’s getting here this week and I am more than excited. 3 months of waiting and I’m finally gonna get it! Edit: I finally got it!

[@MaximilianGruber]

10:20 and this guys is the reason why I‘m working at the firebrigade at Innsbruck Airport 😁

[@TransistorBased]

Interestingly your cons won't affect everyone, adding weight to the argument that this is a great piece of hardware. I have a MCP unit so I have 1:1 controls for autopilot functions, and I have 3D printed bits that add a notch track to the flaps axis. So the only things I anticipate to be an annoyance would be relatively small handles and non-proportional reversers.

[@anthonyzeffiro4834]

Hi Emile!!...really appreciate what your're doing! I'm brand new to flight sim!! I'm currently waiting for the bravo throttle quadrant..I have the alpha yoke and logitech rudder pedals already!! I haven't set anything up yet!! actually been waiting for a few months.....IMAGINE THAT?!!-Talk about patience!!...lol.. I'm waiting to set everything up all at one time!!! Should be receiving the quadrant in a week or two...really looking forward to all this!!! I've been following your videos and really enjoy them...learning alot!!...so THANK YOU!!! Wish me luck!!!! LOL!!

[@jimeisner8709]

Amazing review Ive been on the fence about getting this , The price is a little steep im currently using logitech auto pilot panel and switch panel with the yoke and rudder pedals .

[@breytac]

Alpha yoke + Bravo quadrant = a total win. The trim wheel make it so easy to trim the aircraft, which I seemed to struggle with. Next up: the charlie pedals...yeah this hobby is going to send me broke. Now I just have learn not to pull the nose up 10 degrees when I land

[@jerryalbert]

Have you tried VR in MSFS? Pretty spectacular. Cheers and thanks for posting that review. I have the TM Airbus stick and quadrant...nice having detents.

[@disapearoman]

Great review! I'm currently using a Thrustmaster throttle but this quadrant looks really enticing. Do you have a review for the Alpha Yoke?

[@kevinfinch6215]

I know there's an Airbus add-on for 'bus drivers; how easy would it be to set up a Q400? One of my fav P3D aircraft is the Majestic Q400; maybe you'll have that available in MSFS sooner rather than later. Would love to see you do some Q400 vids when it is. As always, great vid, great presentation.

[@Fcreceptor]

I already put the Bravo back in the box after a week. It’s an amazing piece of hardware, but two things. One, I don’t have the ability to mount it lower on my desk, so having it level with the desk is awful. If it’s on the right I can’t use a mouse. Two, the buttons just don’t work in older sims. Maybe I’ll grow into when I can take out a business loan for a 4,000 dollar PC (who can afford that???) and buy a newer sim. What I did just install is the Thrustmaster Boeing yoke and throttle kit. The throttle is more basic and not as well made as the Bravo. However, the yoke is pure gold. I was blown away at how amazing it is. It made hand flying so easy I was just shocked.

[@tonyvallejo4591]

Finally got mine! 8 months, but the wait was worth it!

[@dtotheatothevtothee]

Mine SHOULD ship later this week. Been waiting FORRRRREVER!!!

[@francisbrady2739]

ikr!!!!

[@claudio.goncalves156]

wow amazing dear Emilie! nice cockpit simulator! Happy Valentine's Day to you!

[@Uplink64]

Awesome video Emilie, for mounting both units under the desk I use the Low Rider unit from the allsportsytems site under the flight simulator section.

[@Ratherbflyin]

I'm actually expecting to get my Alpha Yoke in a few days. I hope to be able to order the Bravo Quadrant sometime this spring.

[@father-sonflightsimulator3838]

Now all you need is some pedals. You can also use a buttkicker gamer 2 (sound transducer) to feel vibration in your seat to simulate feeling takeoff/landing/engine vibration. Try your rig also in VR; it will take some getting used to using these controllers but only being able to peak down to actually see them, but a lot of times in the real plane you’re not necessarily looking at these knobs and levers all the time anyway. You develop a sort of muscle memory and use the tactile differences of the T/P/M knobs instead.

[@jeffersononetwo]

I love my Alpha & Bravo! I have not mapped or used any of the toggles on the Bravo ... have you? If so, maybe do a short video on that - followup on gear stuff? I noticed my current work-flow is, for example, set to Altitude mode->rotate dial to 8,000->select mode to VS->dial in 500 or so ... then leave in VS mode. Otherwise the aircraft might not hold at the specified altitude. I'm still learning it but wow - what a gret job Honeycomb had done! You surely are going to get a Charlie, huh? :)

[@markdayell61]

Great stuff, Emilie! I am just a desk pilot beginner...as in brand new at this, and your videos are great help to me. Keep them up! And Ninja looks like an absolutely feral and dangerous kitty, so be careful.

[@BobSmith-gh5wj]

Why no review on your Honeycomb Yoke??? - Love your videos ;.)

[@Jestey6]

Hi Emily. Enjoyed your video, I expect you will already be aware that Mark on Simhanger Flight Simulator has some excellent videos regarding setting up the Bravo. If you haven’t seen them, it’s really worth taking a look. My Bravo has been on order from Amazon UK since 3rd Aug! I’ve watched all of Mark’s videos, so when I get my Bravo at least I will be able to set it up🤗 I used headphones when watching, and kept thinking my iPhone was trying to tell me something, in the end I realised there was a very quiet plinky plonk noise on your video, was it music? If so I found it a bit distracting. Cheers Noel.

[@denissauve4169]

Thank you so much Emilie for this video. Really like this new device. I have a quick question for you: when do you know that you have to use the flaps and how do you know which level of flaps need to be select?

[@tonym492]

Hello hello from New Zealand :) I just found your channel and love it!

[@john-or9cf]

Two of us were working at the old TWA sim facility in MN a couple of decades ago, 3rd shift of course, but we got to fly a full motion base 747 sim. Take-off, flying around - easy, landing not quite so easy. Came in hot, couldn’t stop the plane so we did a touch and go. Finally, landing was a splat on the runway - a view you never want to see! Geez I miss those days, multi-million dollar sims to play with!

[@geiadude]

Hi Emilie Thank you for your video .I have a question. Will you soon do a video about Rudder pedals? Also I'm wondering if Honeycomb will put out a rudder pedal controller in the near future? i Have the Alpha yoke and I love it. Iv got the Throttle Quadrant on Order I do hope Honeycomb will put out a rudder pedal controller as well

[@DanielJoo18]

Really looking forward to next video!!

[@johnpiper82]

Have you had to do any software updates from Honeycomb or are they automatic? Piper1, a new subscriber

[@whtfsh765]

Having flown numerous Boeing Jets in the real world I'm pretty picky about realism. I've found that a lot of developers of both hardware and software, are satisfied with going "half-way". So, for instance, does this product have autothrottle disconnect buttons on the throttles themselves? Although the flaps handle has no detents, can the flaps be lowered incrementally on say a PMDG airplane or is this just a full up or full down handle? Also, can the speed brake be armed by lifting the handle? I'm currently using P3Dv5. Good video, thanks.

[@er1073]

Do you use those expletives while flying Emillie? Good job. Thanks for sharing your video with us. Ed Oh and Happy Valentines Day Emillie!!

[@Phantom840]

Cool vid Emilie! Noticed the trim wheel seems to move quite freely - does this also respond/correlate with the friction dial also? Otherwise, tempting to have a closer look for purchase (other than the current stock and price unfortunately).

[@Pilotemilie]

Not linked to the friction lock, no. But it's nice the way it moves

[@1badsteed]

HAHAHAHA I said what you wrote at the same time (during landing)! That was funny. Great rundown on the Quadrant

[@voltarz1]

"sh*t" lol!! We love Ninja!! Great video and I'm thankful they make these controllers rather than the basic mouse and keyboard to use!! They just have come up with a seat one now.

[@אליןפלצי-ש9ב]

2 questions : 1. Where is the purchase link? 2. Do they make deliveries to Israel?

[@SafwanAviation]

Awesome Video. Hooefully will be getting it after my Exams in May😑😄

[@CK-dt6nx]

My gripe with IAS mode is before arming AP I have to switch to IAS on the soft key, then on the dial from 0 spin the dial up to the speed I want instead of just hitting IAS and autopilot arming at the speed the plane currently is at. Extra step is a pain but just something I end up doing on the ground.

[@PanavisionT16]

For mapping buttons, switches, even the axis of the levers- it's best to use FSUIPC, especially with PMDG AC. MSFS mapping can't achieve what FSUIPC can do in terms of programming for complex flight operations with yokes and throttle quadrants. You can use the free version (but there is a paid version too).

[@zanyt13]

I have them both, and the quality is fantastic. The only con i see is that the flip buttons ar behind the levelers, but it is no good way to place them somewhere else design vise. Another ting.....i don't get why so many have a hard time to get them. Where i buy from....komplett.se, they still have more then 100 in stock. Great review though! :D

[@helicopterdriver]

Ninja! I like the visual cues from simulator flying. That was the hardest part for me when I was learning to land in real life. Now I can just dump the flaps last minute and slide it on... lol Glad Ninja is just a bit tolerant of your adoration. :D

[@samuelkline4944]

Excellent review.

[@leilanurena]

agree, flc "felch" is cool.

[@Eclipse1719]

Awesome review, I'm just starting multi training now and trying so hard to justify just picking this combo up lol. I figure if I could knock off even 1.0-1.5 out of the plane then it would pay for itself...do you think that in terms of getting procedures for basic multi/IFR it would make a noticeable difference compared to just a cheap joystick in the simulator? Do the axis themselves feel fairly close to a multi trainer?