Pilot entered runway and took-off WITHOUT CLEARANCE. Real ATC Audio

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ATC AUDIO

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Date: June 25, 2023.
Location: Palo Alto Airport (KPAO).
A Diamond DA40 Diamond Star registration N660PS, performing flight from Palo Alto Airport (KPAO) to Palo Alto Airport (KPAO) was instructed to hold short of the runway before departure due to approaching traffic but the pilot didn’t stop the aircraft, crossed the hold short line, entered the runway and started takeoff without the clearance.
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@KonaMan62
@KonaMan62 7 ай бұрын
D A M N ! ! ! I really commend the tower controller for how she handled the radio traffic with N660PS after its unlawful departure. By continually giving him traffic alerts (which he heard and responded to) AND keeping him on her frequency, she (most likely intentionally) demonstrated that his radio WAS working correctly, thus punching holes in his "radio issues, get out of jail free card." The simple fact that the Diamond pilot KNEW a Tower Controller was working, by virtue of his taxi dialog, means that NO competent Pilot would taxi out to the active and then announce "0PS lining up and taking off from runway 31" PERIOD. It's as if he suddenly thought he was at an uncontrolled airport-but even then, his failure to hold short, check for other aircraft, and announce his intentions prior to entering the active was reprehensible.
@adb012
@adb012 10 күн бұрын
In some airplanes, especially low wing airplanes with only one radio antenna that is typically located under the plane, the signal may be blocked by the airframe and you may have problems communicating with the tower while holding short of the runway, an then the radio would be working perfectly fine. But that UNDER NOT WAY allows you get into the active runway and take off at a controlled airport without a clearance. Call the tower number, ask another plane to relay the communication between you and the tower, wait for light signals from the tower, whatever, except entering the active. AND if you are going to enter the active you may at least check if there traffic on final?
@TheCream14
@TheCream14 7 ай бұрын
Radio issue?? Then why would you still take off, especially when not given clearance? Get this guy out of an airplane.
@randyporter3491
@randyporter3491 7 ай бұрын
That is exactly my thought. Rest assured, no pilot on here, including myself, would ever take off suspecting radio issues. And, he likely didn't either. It's easy to "claim" radio issues when you do something that stupid.
@RLTtizME
@RLTtizME 7 ай бұрын
@@randyporter3491 I would. I am not a quivering flyboy.
@supermotosize
@supermotosize 7 ай бұрын
Did he think it was uncontrolled airport.
@randyporter3491
@randyporter3491 7 ай бұрын
@@supermotosize If he did “think” that, he shouldn’t be flying.
@RLTtizME
@RLTtizME 7 ай бұрын
@@randyporter3491 How so?
@retiredandcrusty
@retiredandcrusty 7 ай бұрын
Pilot had “I’m having radio issues” get-out-of-jail card on hand 😊
@davidhill3939
@davidhill3939 7 ай бұрын
How is that? No clearance? Stay off the runway.
@MrJeffinLodi
@MrJeffinLodi 7 ай бұрын
If you don't have contact, you don't take off; period.
@SpaceDad42
@SpaceDad42 2 ай бұрын
That would never be a free pass. We have light gun signals and procedures to use for comms failure. Not to mention, no one would ever takeoff with known comms failure.
@drn13355
@drn13355 7 ай бұрын
"radio issues" doesn't mean a pilot just does whatever they want. If anything that is when they stop everything and resolve the issue.
@RLTtizME
@RLTtizME 7 ай бұрын
In Europe...taking off without clearance is a tool used to expedite traffic movement in times of congestion. Too much time wasted going back and forth....postion with no hold, throttles forward and roll. It makes sense.
@MarcPagan
@MarcPagan 7 ай бұрын
As a former airline pilot in USA, I find your statement hard to believe. @@RLTtizME At a towered airport, one may never enter or cross an active runway or take off without clearance. If positioned number 1 holding short, sure, we often get: "American 354, cleared for take off, runway 22 right, expedite. Company 757 on 5 mile final."
@jamessv5020
@jamessv5020 7 ай бұрын
@@RLTtizME -- That sounds terrible, but I'm going to have to guess that there's a process for that; it can't just be all that random! What I am trying to say is, some sort of tacit understanding among all players has to be in place, so when the takeoff w/o clearance kicks in, everyone knows what they need to do.
@toastehh09
@toastehh09 4 ай бұрын
*pressing the hazard lights in my car" I have radio issues!!!! Everyone outta the way
@fort809
@fort809 2 ай бұрын
@@RLTtizMEEuropeans do lots of silly things, like calling soccer “football” and driving on the left
@jimsmith556
@jimsmith556 7 ай бұрын
Issues with the radio never allows you to give yourself clearance for takeoff. Hopefully this was a suspension and not just a warning.
@mtnairpilot
@mtnairpilot 7 ай бұрын
I’ve never heard ATC offer the noninvolved pilot the opportunity to complain. They wanted to make sure the Diamond Star pilot didn’t get let off the hook.
@gchsbus
@gchsbus 7 ай бұрын
THE OTHER PILOT ALSO WANTS THE PHONE NUMBER 🤣 Oh man you can tell he is really pissed off over this. I would have loved to hear the phone call between the tower and the pilot that had the go around. There is no doubt in my mind he had A LOT to say!
@RaineStudio
@RaineStudio 6 ай бұрын
I think he is a bit too much into the drama. Fly the plane and leave it behind.
@stischer47
@stischer47 3 ай бұрын
@@RaineStudio Right. And if there were a crash you'd be blaming him.
@smyers820gm
@smyers820gm 2 ай бұрын
@@RaineStudioagreed other pilot sounded like a little b@tch 😂
@smyers820gm
@smyers820gm 2 ай бұрын
@@stischer47coulda woulda shoulda but there wasn’t. There was a little b@tch in that aircraft though 😂
@fort809
@fort809 2 ай бұрын
@@RaineStudioto be fair, the ground controller was heavily encouraging it. He stopped after the “pls call him” comment until ground control started yapping when he landed
@kingslaphappy1533
@kingslaphappy1533 2 ай бұрын
He didn’t read back the “ hold short” command and right there i knew he was going to screw this up.
@RetreadPhoto
@RetreadPhoto 7 ай бұрын
Take that cert away for a year. Even if it’s currently a student cert.
@ifiwereme
@ifiwereme 7 ай бұрын
This is user error, not radio trouble.
@wdoxsee
@wdoxsee 3 ай бұрын
If he had "radio issues" it must have started on the ground when he didn't hear a takeoff clearance, so taking care of these issues is best done on the ground if possible. There was no mechanical problem here, it was a mental problem.
@RetreadPhoto
@RetreadPhoto 7 ай бұрын
Radio problems my ass.
@RLTtizME
@RLTtizME 7 ай бұрын
That would be a very big issue.
@David-d4k9k
@David-d4k9k 7 ай бұрын
Radio issues means you stay where you are, not just barge ahead and do want you want. It certainly is not a get out of jail for free card.
@RLTtizME
@RLTtizME 7 ай бұрын
No it doesn't. Where in the rule book says that?
@jaysmith1408
@jaysmith1408 7 ай бұрын
@@RLTtizMEwhen he never got clearance to take off, he’d be sitting out there all afternoon until they sent an ops vehicle over there to check on him, or light gunned him. Radio problems never mysteriously give clearances, they omit them. Now if he lost them in the air, squawk 7600 and make a pattern back for landing, expecting lights.
@RLTtizME
@RLTtizME 7 ай бұрын
@@jaysmith1408 We just ignore the lights.
@allgrainbrewer10
@allgrainbrewer10 3 ай бұрын
@@RLTtizMEclown
@chipc4936
@chipc4936 7 ай бұрын
Unbelievable. As @TheCream14 wrote, "Get this guy out of an airplane." NOW
@0bm31770
@0bm31770 6 ай бұрын
I think I've heard that pilot's voice in other deviation videos.
@LadyLithias
@LadyLithias 7 ай бұрын
So I'm no pilot, but I've been following Aviation channels since the Pandemic began, and it seems to me that someone who (A) doesn't have a trustworthy radio, and (B) hasn't received clearance to take-off would be an utter idiot to just take the info that traffic is inbound, and give himself permission to takeoff. I have to wonder, I've seen a lot of "oopsies" like stopping not quite short of the hold line and another plane has to go around, and they get a number to call. I'm pretty sure that is a beneficial conversation for all involved, and likely that's as far as it goes. But for someone like this, who ignored ATC's directions, followed by taking off without clearance..... seems like he might receive a lot more consequences. This wasn't an "oops" it was a raging disaster in the making. Only alert individuals kept it from being a disaster. Anyway.... does anyone know what sort of consequences this dingbat might get?
@MrJeffinLodi
@MrJeffinLodi 7 ай бұрын
Well, you are not only an idiot, but you are breaking the law
@MarcPagan
@MarcPagan 7 ай бұрын
"Radio issues" is going to be one tough sell to any investigator. - from a former airline pilot, and current instructor who has seen and heard of many an investigation. If tower forwarded this for follow up, at best the conclusion will be: "PIC has an opportunity for comms and situational awareness training". If he filed a NASA report, perhaps it will help a bit with any enforcement action - Ex A 6 month suspension might be modified to a 30 day suspension, with a required sign off from a CFI on remedial training deemed necessary. If one wants to lose one's license, or earn a suspension, violating taxi, runway, or airport procedures is an effective and efficient method :)
@ss6645-f1c
@ss6645-f1c 18 күн бұрын
“I’m having radio issues” yeah… right…
@fhuber7507
@fhuber7507 23 сағат бұрын
His radio issue was... He didn't hear the clearance he wanted, because it wasn't given.
@sheikchilli8670
@sheikchilli8670 4 ай бұрын
the radio was having pilot issues, not the other way round
@allgrainbrewer10
@allgrainbrewer10 3 ай бұрын
Yea. There was a short between the seat and the controls.
@vitaly6312
@vitaly6312 7 ай бұрын
He treated this like an untowered airport. This guy has no business flying.
@johnd.8224
@johnd.8224 7 ай бұрын
Take his license permanently.
@cjhickspe1399
@cjhickspe1399 7 ай бұрын
29J got the receipts for that one. That guy in the Diamond was wrong from the jump.
@Ike-kn5dt
@Ike-kn5dt 3 ай бұрын
Sounds like a guy who learned at an untowered field, and didn't know the rules for flying in a class D airspace. to fly in a delta, you need two way communication with the tower, and to take off you need clearance from the tower. Under no circumstances should you be in a Delta airspace without talking to the tower
@danilorainone406
@danilorainone406 3 ай бұрын
'660 papa ,,, you got a mouse on your shoulder telling you to rollout and not hold?''
@rz5062
@rz5062 18 күн бұрын
1:16 Reminds me off the OG jungle book cartoon, where balloo is drunk off the musical beat and enters King Louie's hideout too soon: Baloo: Im gon man, solid gooonneeee. Bagheera: NOT YET BALOO! 😂😂
@001jurgen
@001jurgen 7 ай бұрын
I'm not a pilot, but question: what do you do when during taxi to the runway your radio fails? What is the procedure?
@TheMcIke
@TheMcIke 7 ай бұрын
1) Stop moving and DON'T TAKE OFF, 2) squawk 7600 if your transponder is working (no comms), 3) try alternate means to contact the tower (change radios, emergency hand-held radio, or use a cell phone), 4) if you can see the tower, watch for ATC light gun instructions, 5) wait in place until you either establish communication with the tower and are told what to do, or wait until Ops sends a ground vehicle out to you to investigate. But above all, DON'T TAKE OFF if you think you have a radio problem!
@randusp90
@randusp90 2 ай бұрын
I can tell 29J was steaming and rightfully so. This type of incompetence leaves airspaces congested and delayed and can cause deadly accidents.
@Adrian-lc6jq
@Adrian-lc6jq 3 ай бұрын
I didnt realise it was this easy to get a pilots license.
@errrr_001
@errrr_001 7 ай бұрын
As the great Saul Goodman once said: the FAA will come down on him like a proverbial ton of bricks
@andrewfielding1342
@andrewfielding1342 5 ай бұрын
Oh please. Nothing happens
@mwhe3111
@mwhe3111 7 ай бұрын
He wasn't having radio issues...he just did whatever the hell he wanted to do. JMHO.
@RLTtizME
@RLTtizME 7 ай бұрын
Clearly...radio issues.
@RLTtizME
@RLTtizME 7 ай бұрын
AYADBFB?
@allgrainbrewer10
@allgrainbrewer10 3 ай бұрын
@@RLTtizMEand you are clearly this pilot, or one of that clowns friends
@CapitalismSuxx
@CapitalismSuxx 7 ай бұрын
"Radio issues". XD
@N9197U
@N9197U 6 күн бұрын
Ground pretty much asked him to make a report on him 🤣
@thud9797
@thud9797 6 ай бұрын
Dude thought he was at an uncontrolled field. I'm doing this, I'm doing that. 🙄
@Steve-pk9ok
@Steve-pk9ok 7 ай бұрын
It's not radio issues it's a culture issue and some feel they can do whatever they want.
@Mostopinionatedmanofalltime
@Mostopinionatedmanofalltime 7 ай бұрын
Exactly what I was thinking.
@allgrainbrewer10
@allgrainbrewer10 3 ай бұрын
Accent airlines???
@bonchbonch
@bonchbonch 3 ай бұрын
What are you getting at? There are way, way more videos on KZbin of American pilots not following orders.
@smyers820gm
@smyers820gm 2 ай бұрын
@@bonchbonchKZbin isn’t the end all be all of statistical analysis moron 🙄
@fort809
@fort809 2 ай бұрын
@@bonchbonchbecause there’s more American pilots in general, sample bias
@northmaineguy5896
@northmaineguy5896 7 ай бұрын
3:50 The problem is between your ears!
@RLTtizME
@RLTtizME 7 ай бұрын
YOu've beem able to get by with just a few rocks between your ears. How so?
@danieljckson
@danieljckson Ай бұрын
They other day the radio in my truck stopped working so obviously entered the runway at the airport and took of course.
@billwendell6886
@billwendell6886 6 ай бұрын
Pilot has passenger going whooosssswishhhh woooooshhhhh fizzzzzzzzzzzwhoooooshhhh
@markgo5624
@markgo5624 3 ай бұрын
when in doubt don't depart thats it
@dgale1023
@dgale1023 3 ай бұрын
If a pilot says radio problem can't they tell him you gotta get it fixed or get a new one before you fly again? This is serious stuff
@sidewind131258
@sidewind131258 Ай бұрын
First of all, if you have equipment failure you STOP and don't move, wait, try other means of communication, even mobile phone, but no matter what DO NOT MOVE Second, yes you need repair or new radio Third, this "pilot" needs a requalification Hope it answers your questions
@daveluttinen2547
@daveluttinen2547 7 ай бұрын
I would imagine his instructor will have been contacted. (Read that: how did you find him qualified?)
@juliannickermann9492
@juliannickermann9492 Ай бұрын
I'm not a pilot, i also don't know how i landed here, but this is how i would have reacted with my very limited knowledge about aircrafts and airspace. IF i had radio issues and would pilot a plane, i would stop immediately and take my aircraft away from a runway. I know that there have been crashed, so in almost every situation it would be possible that at that moment i plan to take of another aircraft tries to land, with some of my physics knowledge i also know that the wind and streams get manipulated by airborn objects, im not sure on how big those disturbances would be but i would be too paranoid that this would fling my slow and elevating aircraft in the tower or somewhere i would not want to go. But i'm not too sure if this would be a radio issue or a language issue, maybe even an ego issue.
@MichaMazaheriMittsh
@MichaMazaheriMittsh 13 күн бұрын
As a Diamond DA40 pilot myself, I feel ashamed by this pilot 😅
@melvinelder3587
@melvinelder3587 2 ай бұрын
This guy genuinely sounds exactly like an instructor I had in the southeast of the USA.. completely incompetent if it’s the same guy..
@andrewfielding1342
@andrewfielding1342 5 ай бұрын
Apparently he doesn’t like to listen to women 😂
@PDQkevin77
@PDQkevin77 7 ай бұрын
It appears to me that the radio was not malfunctioning but that the pilot simply had the volume turned too low because once he claimed radio problems he never had them anymore. Must have figured out to turn up the volume.
@allgrainbrewer10
@allgrainbrewer10 3 ай бұрын
Still took off without clearance. SMH
@fort809
@fort809 2 ай бұрын
I don’t think he’s fully English fluent to be honest
@fhuber7507
@fhuber7507 23 сағат бұрын
We do better communication at the RC model airfield...
@flyingtigerline
@flyingtigerline 6 ай бұрын
Language issues, not radio. Major entitlement.
@sparty2able
@sparty2able 7 ай бұрын
29J is quite a drama queen. It happened. Get over it. Tower is clearly addressing.
@jeffreyhughes7107
@jeffreyhughes7107 7 ай бұрын
Right?!? I thought the very same thing. He already got the dreaded “copy this number down”. I have had radio problems in the pattern and it sucks, fortunately for me the tower was very understanding. I was receiving but my transmission was a 2. I get it that that deviation could have been deadly but everything was handled and no one was in peril. The offending pilot will get a deviation. Why add to his misery - forgive and move on and hope someone will forgive you when you screw up.
@SierraBravo7970
@SierraBravo7970 7 ай бұрын
Radio operator issue. Sheesh
@SR-bh5jd
@SR-bh5jd 7 ай бұрын
Cirrus driver with a serious attitude!
@Anonymous99997
@Anonymous99997 7 ай бұрын
Sounds like a Seat to Stick error.
@ImpendingJoker
@ImpendingJoker 7 ай бұрын
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, "Any idiot can fly an airplane."
@RLTtizME
@RLTtizME 7 ай бұрын
Are you a Chief Pilot?
@sharpe67
@sharpe67 2 ай бұрын
I call BS on radio problems.
@jimmcclelland5754
@jimmcclelland5754 7 ай бұрын
Part of pilot training and examination should be to acquire and demonstrate understanding of and proficiency in the English language.
@marryson123
@marryson123 6 ай бұрын
Indian...... There was another Indian pilot who struggles to land his plane a while back. The Controller had to guide him through his approach multiple times............
@frontcentermusician
@frontcentermusician 13 күн бұрын
Foreigner.......
@MarkMcLT
@MarkMcLT 7 ай бұрын
I only watch ATC videos that specify the date of the incident.
@RLTtizME
@RLTtizME 7 ай бұрын
We only watch the ones where you haven't commented.
@Dan_C604
@Dan_C604 3 ай бұрын
Cirrus pilot was also a bit over his head….
@joshastana849
@joshastana849 7 ай бұрын
Always a pilot with an accent
@RetreadPhoto
@RetreadPhoto 7 ай бұрын
You mean with an attitude and a Devil May care approach to life.
@GWNorth-db8vn
@GWNorth-db8vn 7 ай бұрын
This one sounds Dutch.
@rudiklein
@rudiklein 7 ай бұрын
​@@GWNorth-db8vnDefinitely not Dutch. I would recognize a fellow Dutchman by his accent.
@GWNorth-db8vn
@GWNorth-db8vn 7 ай бұрын
@@rudiklein - That was my best guess. What would you say that accent is?
@billfly2186
@billfly2186 7 ай бұрын
@@GWNorth-db8vn He's from Stupidville.
@hankc1208
@hankc1208 3 ай бұрын
atc prompting another pilot to file a complaint ? sketchy
@danielleong1865
@danielleong1865 Ай бұрын
PAO ground did more of the prompting.
@HapyLLIuTeJIb
@HapyLLIuTeJIb 7 ай бұрын
"The broken radio inadvertently gave me the takeoff clearance" 🥸
@ChrisCokeRobinson
@ChrisCokeRobinson 3 ай бұрын
It's always some foreigner pilot..
@bobwilson758
@bobwilson758 7 ай бұрын
Don’t understand English - trouble with radio - Always the same bullshit ! No ! No ! Unacceptable !
@RLTtizME
@RLTtizME 7 ай бұрын
Calm down there Orville.
@jilliansmaniotto2326
@jilliansmaniotto2326 7 ай бұрын
@@RLTtizME😂
@grampsinsl5232
@grampsinsl5232 4 ай бұрын
So many of these barely-English-speakers on these videos.
@RR-zq3mk
@RR-zq3mk 7 ай бұрын
Cirrus guy sounds no better then the other guy. Sounds arrogant and think they are elite
@bobwilson758
@bobwilson758 7 ай бұрын
He ain’t gonna call shit ! You know it - we all know it ! Bull
@bjohnson1149
@bjohnson1149 Ай бұрын
I listen to a lot of these videos and so many mistakes are made by those with heavy accents!
@gnghngnvbnb7479
@gnghngnvbnb7479 2 ай бұрын
very likely that his radio did not work well, so its not his fault. nothing happened after all, so whats the fuss all about?
@sidewind131258
@sidewind131258 Ай бұрын
What if there had been a issue, maybe a small crash, and you were in the plane that 660PS crashed into ? Should it just be forgotten when you was hospitalized and wheelchair bound for the rest of your life ?
@gnghngnvbnb7479
@gnghngnvbnb7479 Ай бұрын
@@sidewind131258 😥 you schooled me like a little boy, from now on I will reflect on my comments and lead with good example against bad airmanship.
@danielleong1865
@danielleong1865 Ай бұрын
0PS didn't have clearance for takeoff. He was told to hold short. If he has radio issues, he can't be flying without comms. That means he's grounded until the problem is fixed.
@wallacegrommet9343
@wallacegrommet9343 7 ай бұрын
I wondered what entitled, pompous accent I would hear from the offending pilot.
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