PILOT ERROR almost ends in a PLANE CRASH. TEARDOWN of an AIRCRAFT ACCIDENT that should have happened

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Short Field

Short Field

Күн бұрын

I'm lucky to be able to tell this story first hand as opposed to you reading it in an accident report.
Operating from and too short grass strips is always something that should have your upmost respect. Minor mistakes or pilot errors that maybe inconsequential on longer more forgiving runways can have massive repercussions and can easily end up in an aircraft accident which could prove fatal.
In this video I take a deep dive into a mistake I made at a short runway in the UK's backcountry with trees at the end where I accepted a tailwind that pushed the safety margins to the very edge.
Using the Swiss Cheese analogy I was just one slice short of an accident.
Please watch and learn that no matter how many hours you have or what plane you fly, if you push things too far, you're likely to pay for it, maybe with your life.
00:00 Intro
01:20 Short field flying
02:16 My mistake
03:21 The complete story
03:41 North Weald to Bembridge
04:27 Whitwell strip details
05:05 Bembridge to Whitwell
06:59 Landing at Whitwell
07:18 Village street party
07:44 Vince and Dave departure
08:29 My botched departure in detail
11:41 Aircraft performance
13:57 Wrong chart details
14:42 Checklists
15:47 Conclusion and Swiss Cheese
17:55 Farm and grass strip appreciation
18:35 Outro
My name is Terry Kent and I am a General Aviation PPL private pilot operating out of North Weald EGSX about 12 miles to the north east of London in the UK. Short Field is my channel focused on the lighter side of General Aviation including flight and airfield reviews, equipment unboxing and review plus all things private pilot related. I use various cameras to record my videos including GoPro and Insta 360 and stills and edit them in Adobe Premiere Pro, I am an animator as well and often use animations to describe situations more clearly I use Blender and Adobe After Effects for these. I always attempt to post my videos in the highest possible quality, normally 4k.
I fly a 2011 Pipersport two seat single engine aircraft that is also known as the PS28 or SportCruiser in the USA (America) it is know under the FAA as an LSA or Light Sport Aircraft and can be flown on a very basic license. In the UK it is a Part 21 airplane which requires a full licence but it's generally cheap to run, affordable maintenance and great value for money. It cruises at 100 to 105 knots and has superb short take off and landing or STOL capabilities. I visit farm strips, back country and short airfields, some of them dangerous and I try not to crash :-), as well as international airports and try to learn something new every time I fly.
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@noelphilips
@noelphilips 2 жыл бұрын
Terry, firstly thank you for (as always) not being afraid to share your mistakes. Videos like this are truly life savers - even if just one person remembers this video as they’re about to set off from a short strip and realises they didn’t set the flaps - it could very well be a life saved. We have all made what in hindsight were silly mistakes when flying, but recognising these mistakes means we can fix them and learn from them. Thanks again for the refreshing honesty!
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Noel, it's hard to get over in a video just how vulnerable you feel just a couple of knots above the stall speed trying to nurse it over an obstacle knowing you daren't pull back on the stick. I am always honoured to get a view and comment from you buddy, thanks again.
@russiandrivers9986
@russiandrivers9986 Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of a takeoff I did once at Grand Canyon national park. The combination of hot weather, density altitude and an old underpowered aircraft had me skimming the trees. I didn't dare turn for quite a while.
@thompsonorcino1122
@thompsonorcino1122 Жыл бұрын
Yess, Thank you very much for sharing this.
@101akar
@101akar Жыл бұрын
how can one forget Noel - the eternal pessimist who blames every damn thing - looks like you woke up on the wrong side today or someone hijacked your handle
@jmrumble
@jmrumble Жыл бұрын
Regarding doing checklists solo, you might consider a technique used to reduce accidents in Japanese trains where conductors would think the doors were closed and free but in reality had something or someone stuck in them. The technique is called "Point and call". To use it, read the checklist item to check what you need to do next, flaps for example, then physically point at the indicator and call out the setting verbally. When you physically point, you orient yourself and your awareness to the thing, and when you verbalize it you have the additional check of hearing yourself which means an additional cuance to recognise "Hey the setting I called out matches the current setting but not what it should be?" or "Hey the setting I called out is what it should be but that doesn't match what I'm physically seeing!" so in both cases you become aware that something is amiss.
@MTD369
@MTD369 Жыл бұрын
To add to this, verbalize an action prior to the setting. Instead of carb heat off, carb heat in and off. Mixture in and rich. Flaps down and set. Etc
@jmrumble
@jmrumble Жыл бұрын
@@MTD369 I like! It makes the action to get the result part of the check on the result!
@cduemig1
@cduemig1 Жыл бұрын
We did this in the Navy operating nuclear reactors. Staring at gauges for hours on end you can get blind to them.
@grejen711
@grejen711 Жыл бұрын
A pilot friend of mine told me: "See with your fingers". I dunno, it stuck with me.
@57Jimmy
@57Jimmy Жыл бұрын
When I first saw them doing the point with the white gloves I sort of chuckled…really? Then I put my cynicism away and thought about it. BRILLIANT! I’m not a real pilot but enjoy simming since FS95…yes, stick like visuals lol. I will use this in my real life when changing shaper knives and other industrial settings.
@rinzler9775
@rinzler9775 Жыл бұрын
There was a crash recently of a Piper Cub where the guy took off with the joystick lock bar still in place. The guy was a highly experienced ex Air force fighter pilot, apparently one of the best, like a the real life version of Maverick. A simple mistake is as deadly as any weapon. "Check controls free and moving", the most basic of checks, and he missed it - just once, when it counted.
@mikegmdw1
@mikegmdw1 Жыл бұрын
I saw a video on 'Air crash' where a commercial airliner crashed because the control locks were still on. I know it sounds unbelievable but neither pilot had tried the controls before take off - it stalled and everyone was killed.
@goneflying140
@goneflying140 Жыл бұрын
I remember that one. It is almost unfathomable that he did that, but it really did happen that way.
@tommytfaa
@tommytfaa Жыл бұрын
Snodgrass.... One of the best F14 pilots ever. He flew the scenes in top gun. Navy pilot
@suelassen4405
@suelassen4405 4 ай бұрын
A human trait…..complacency. 😮
@nploates
@nploates 2 жыл бұрын
A cautionary tale and good learning for us all, thanks. The following has happened to me in a PA28. Pre-takeoff checks completed successfully including flaps correctly set and checked visually. “Ready for departure and lining up”. Throttle to idle, handbrake off. About to move, I then retract the flaps! Why? Muscle memory from cars, the flap lever on a PA28 is very like a car handbrake. Now I always look at the flaps whilst lining up.
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Wow, PA28's and the handbrake flap lever, I think many of us have made that mistake, it's a horrible sinking feeling when you do it especially once in the air. Humans are funny things we think we're so infallible and we never learn that we're far from it.
@bernieschiff5919
@bernieschiff5919 Жыл бұрын
I think the flap lever in the Piper series is a poor human factors design, there being no indication as to its position by lights or feedback to the pilot. Not using the printed checklist and being distracted by a request by a tower controller caused me to do a takeoff and climb out in a Piper Arrow at night with the flaps fully extended. The flaps locked down at takeoff power, would not move, and I only realized they were down after takeoff when my right arm brushed against the flap lever when adjusting the throttle. I did nothing since I had a positive rate and everything was stable. Climbed to above pattern altitude at around 60 knots then very slowly brought the power back to idle and then retracted the flaps, one notch at a time. I was a test pilot for about 90 seconds, as there is no guidance in the POH for this. Recent Cessna 152 fatal stall spin crash in the US student pilot retracted full flaps after takeoff when realizing his error. Flap lever in a Cessna activates an electric motor, full up can be selected easily with a single motion, a possible design problem. I agree, the hand moves faster than the brain, it's been proven. Slow the pattern down, look at what your hand is doing, be deliberate and think about any action first before doing it, and use the printed checklist. Excellent presentation, a good learning opportunity.
@bernieschiff5919
@bernieschiff5919 Жыл бұрын
@@ShortField See recent Cessna 152 fatal stall spin crash in US of student pilot who retracted full flaps after takeoff.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
@@bernieschiff5919 too many of these Bernie. You have a very famous surname in the aviation community are you related to Barry?
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
@@bernieschiff5919 Fantastic comment thank you Bernie
@fireflyrobert
@fireflyrobert Жыл бұрын
A good tip is when lined up ready to commence the take off do another final check on the essentials items on your type which could be, say, Fuel (selected ON), Flaps set - also don't just rely on the flap indicator (if fitted) - have a look outside at the trailing edge of each wing to see that flaps are set and symmetric. Great video thanks.
@stephenwalker3072
@stephenwalker3072 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely superb video. I have over 1400 hours on mostly Cessnas (172/182) and I found this hugely helpful and useful. Well done! Very clear, very honest, very alarming. A great teaching aid. Thank you.
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
So appreciated especially from a seasoned pilot, thank you Stephen.
@whelanvidswhelanvids1500
@whelanvidswhelanvids1500 8 ай бұрын
Fair play for posting. Goes to show the importance of being absolutely critical during reading over the checklist. Luckily you weren’t too heavy or an extra pax. Safe flying dude !
@honda0105
@honda0105 Жыл бұрын
‘We all make mistakes, which is why cars have bumpers and pencils have rubbers.’ Thanks for sharing this video and hopefully by doing so, it will prevent another pilot from making the same error. Much respect and safe flying.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the view and really appreciate your kind comments Mr. Pig :-)
@andrewbarker8027
@andrewbarker8027 Жыл бұрын
Videos like this are superb Terry. I've just solo'd as part of my PPL so it's extremely useful to see mistakes like this, honest and unbiased explanations and your commentary. Really impressed, thanks.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Andrew and good luck with the training.
@joeymorris4863
@joeymorris4863 Жыл бұрын
Your not afraid of the truth. That takes a big man to admit the error. Utmost respect.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thanks Joey, it was difficult to blame anything else :-( Thank you for the lovely comment.
@chichcan
@chichcan Жыл бұрын
Great video. One minor point - If you want to be invited back to his strip, don’t blast his open hangar with your prop blast. Looks like you had plenty of room to turn around the other direction - never point your tail at other people’s stuff, *especially* an open hangar.
@johncooper306
@johncooper306 3 ай бұрын
Doubt he will be invited back after ragging on the guys strip from his error.
@afdchocolatemilk2107
@afdchocolatemilk2107 Жыл бұрын
New pilot here and very much appreciate your sharing this story.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Love it that you watched and commented. Thank you so much. Good luck with your new found freedom.
@CJThePilot
@CJThePilot Жыл бұрын
Terry, I commend your honesty here and your detailed appraisal is of huge benefit to the entire aviation community for reasons already stated by many others. Regardless of subject matter, your content and video production is always so engaging right from start to finish. Something I can only dream of ever comparing to. I'm glad you are taking the time to put these together. Please continue to do so.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
What an unbelievable comment Chris that's made my day thank you so much.
@lee4318
@lee4318 Жыл бұрын
I would whole heartedly agree with what CJ has said. I personally pretty much warmed to your voice and personality after the 1st video watched. Looking forward to more content Terry!
@TheDodgerUK
@TheDodgerUK 2 жыл бұрын
Went into Whitwell in an Ikarus C42 with 2 POB. Although there was a tailwind on 17 we followed the briefing (one way in one way out) and landed OK. We reckoned that the tailwind would be compensated by the rising ground. Without the rising ground I would hardly ever consider landing with a tailwind in an Ikarus C42 on a short field, even with 2 POB, because it basically seems to float on forever. On departure we discussed options with the owner as the wind now favoured a 17 departure and those trees looked very close for a tailwind departure on 35. With his agreement we decided on a 17 departure even though we would encroach on the noise abatement area (the Ikarus C42 is very quiet even on departure). We made sure we taxiied right to the first few feet of 17 and were airborne maybe half way down. Even after hundreds of landings on short fields I struggle to work out the balance between tailwind/headwind and rising/falling ground. But if I have any choice then I will always avoid a tailwind. With a headwind my confidence and judgement is pretty good. With a tailwind I feel very uncertain and therefore hardly ever do it. It works for me in a C42. Does anyone else have a tailwind strategy for a C42?
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant story and looks like you had the same dilemma as me, I suppose the only thing regarding performance that I can take from this is that it did get out even with my cock-up and a 10 knot tailwind even though it was balanced on a knife-edge and it wouldn't have taken much more back pressure on the stick to enter a stall. Thank you for the great story, watch and comment Roger.
@pilotnatto1105
@pilotnatto1105 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this! As a student pilot the reality of aviation safety is very apparent to me and I thank you being humble enough to share these lessons with us. Decision Making is what a pilot has to do 100% of the time and your lesson has saved lives. Thank you.
@eduardo88
@eduardo88 Жыл бұрын
Nice performance calculations. Try doing that prior to every takeoff. That can save your life and will increase your situational awareness. It doesn’t matter if it’s a small single engine or a 747. Do your performance and run your checklist.
@rnzoli
@rnzoli Жыл бұрын
Nice! Finally I found someone, who also looks at the POH performance figures and compares calculated vs. actual takeoff performance :) We did tons of such calculations during the commercial pilot training ("Performance" subject), and I truly hated it. But it gave me the discipline to anchor my decisions to the numbers and understand, how much margin I have. The less I have, the slower I work on the checklist, sometimes deliberately slowing down a bit to get the axiety out, and get the professionalism in :) We also learnt during Human Performance and Limitations, that the human error rate is 1% (1 out of 100) for regular repetitive actions, and 0.1% with specialized and regularly practiced actions. It's never zero, we have got to deal with it in single pilot operations. About a week ago, I actually did 3 short field touch-and-goes on grass strips that I have never been to before. I had to measure distances on the satellite photos, I had to look at pictures taken nearby for obstacles, and develop a model, merging the POH landing performance calculations and the takeoff performance calculations into a single calculation model, as neither my pilot friends coming with me, nor the aircraft owner was convinced I could do it. But we could and I had plenty of margins left. I am planning to make a video about that, both the preparations and calculations, as well as the actual touch and go's and the lessons learnt from that exercise.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Lack of data is what makes Farm and short strips fun but also more deadly. I like the process of trying to establish details for strips that have no info, usually all you get is a brief from the owner and then he doesn't give you any data just "Yeah that should get in here" :-) I rarely take PAX if I'm visiting marginal strips. Human Factors are hard to quantify add stress , complacency, out of practice and a myriad of other things to the mix and who knows what you will get right or wrong. Unfortunately lessons like the one I just learnt are hard but sometimes necessary to remind you of the consequences. I'll look out for your vid Sir. Thank you.
@marcosleite1382
@marcosleite1382 Жыл бұрын
Wow. Can't thank you enough for this. I love your honesty and candor. This alone deserves a subscription and that like button!
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Marcos such kind words and your sub means such a lot, hope I can keep it. Thank you so much
@EdwardLimbrey
@EdwardLimbrey Жыл бұрын
17:38 Great example of confirmation bias: the other pilot demonstrated that “it can be done” which must have played a big impact on your decision making even though, rationally, the fact that he made it was pretty irrelevant to you making it in your aircraft. But that is how our brains are wired! A great lesson for us all, great video!
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thank you Edward, he did it right though :-)
@anthonyalessi6759
@anthonyalessi6759 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this mate, happened to me as well. I had just bought a QCU Challenger II and had full fuel, a passenger, and an uphill takeoff on a tiny grass strip in upstate New York. I was fairly confident from having landed there a few times prior and severely overestimated the aircrafts low speed climb performance. I remember 80ft trees passing below me close enough to reach out and grab a switch or two and it took a bit before I fully regained composure. We're both very lucky as just as often, a mistake like these doesn't afford us the opportunity to learn from the mistake. So glad you made it out safe and grateful for you reinforcing how critical it is to take the time you need to keep the flight safe. You've got a subscriber in me mate.
@GlensHangar
@GlensHangar Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this - a very level headed dissection of what happened, with lessons for all of us.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thank you Glen really appreciate your kind watch and comment.
@stevencastiglia1229
@stevencastiglia1229 Жыл бұрын
As a new student pilot, I appreciate your honesty and accountability. You will NEVER do that again, as a result! Best of luck..
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thanks Steve.
@effkay3691
@effkay3691 8 ай бұрын
I’ve followed a few of these private pilots and I’m always shocked how may of them are overcome with impatience? I love what they do and their lifestyle but hey if the conditions are not right just spend the night.
@BobC250
@BobC250 5 ай бұрын
True, but this was nothing to do with the conditions at the time. It was get-there-itis and failure to set flaps to TO. Can't see how that relates to the conditions and staying overnight instead of flying.
@anto687
@anto687 Жыл бұрын
Late to the party but good on you for showing us, and yep my immediate thought was "is there a reason not to use flaps on a shortfield take off?"
@braylenfab6523
@braylenfab6523 Жыл бұрын
I really want to thank you for this video. I look at these videos as a form of pilot therapy. While educational, I know for most of us, it helps put us at ease getting the reassurance that everyone makes mistakes. I had a flight today that was horrible. Nothing unsafe, but I was making stupid mistakes and tripping over myself the whole time. It left me and my confidence rattled and often times it’s easy to feel alone in those moments. This video not only teaches me a lesson about short field operations and decision making but it also helps bury my self destructive thoughts about my mistakes. We’re all human but in the moment it’s very easy to forget that it happens to everyone. Thank you for being so thorough and honest!
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thank you Braylen, these lessons are so tough and sometimes calling yourself out for making errors is the best thing to do, although it's hard to accept.
@gawebm
@gawebm Жыл бұрын
This video only teaches you how not to analyse a take-off. The whole evaluation of the required take-off distance was seriously flawed. This is what bothers me about this video - that people will learn from it.
@TheMorayMosstrooper
@TheMorayMosstrooper 2 жыл бұрын
An excellent report, Terry. Great video production which holds the attention and makes your story an entertaining as well as informative presentation. I taught CRM to RAF Tornado Ab-Initio crews for 15 years and if I'd had your video available it would have saved me 20 minutes of talking on every course. A good analysis of the errors you made, how you could've avoided or mitigated them and what you - and we - learned as a result. Well done and thank you for sharing the experience with us.
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Mike, thank you for your wonderful comment and the kind words, so appreciated.
@jimmydulin928
@jimmydulin928 Жыл бұрын
We appreciate the candor Terry. We can all learn from the experience of others, via video, both good and bad. Don't beat yourself up too much for forgetting the flaps. The lightening of the nose gear early and the pitching up to get the mains into low ground effect well before Vso and then levelling in low ground effect is what saved you with or without flaps. Acceleration in low ground effect, on grass or pavement, is a very critical short field technique. Zoom reserve airspeed is much better than Vx or Vy, neither of which are appropriate until near the obstruction. And any great altitude over the obstruction is just trading zoom reserve airspeed for too little altitude to help with stall recovery so why go for near stall airspeed. Even hitting the top of the trees is better than stalling/falling into them and finding a little hole is excellent reaction to the tactical situation becoming fluid. Good job. As for the hill going the other way, down drainage egress is always something to consider even in low and somewhat flat country.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Fantastic comment thank you Jimmy 👍👍👍
@andywilkins6657
@andywilkins6657 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another excellent video, Terry. Combination of factors - distraction, time pressures (real or imagined) plus the encouragement of seeing the other aircraft depart successfully. Great lesson for all, and glad you're OK 👍
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Can't say it hasn't affected me Andrew but it's good that it has. I couldn't really get over the feeling of climbing on the edge of flight, knowing that pulling back too much would immediately put me in a stall, I could feel the wing drop as I climbed. Thank so much for the kind comment and watch Andy.
@twoaxis
@twoaxis Жыл бұрын
"He only just clears the trees. I'm in the same aircraft type, but a bit heavier than him and the tailwind is now blowing stronger"... you summarized it pretty well
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Famous last words.
@SixStringflyboy
@SixStringflyboy Жыл бұрын
Not sure how the POH handles it for the Sport Cruiser, but for my Cessna 150M, the takeoff distances listed are all for paved runways, and it advises to add 15% of the distance when flying off of grass runways. I landed at a long grass strip once (1244 meters) to the south and taxied to the other end for takeoff as the wind had shifted, and a Skyhawk had been using the north runway for pattern work. As I taxied along the side of the runway, the Skyhawk departed. I made my call and taxied into position, pushed the throttle, held the nose off and began climbing, sluggishly. I chalked this up to high density altitude, as it was a hot summer day. It wasn't until the tops of the trees along the ridge 2km north were approaching fast that I started wondering if I was going to be in trouble. There was a large river to the right, so I had the option of turning northeast and climbing out over the water. I started scanning my engine instruments. RPMs were a little low but I didn't notice, oil temp and pressure were good...what in the?!? Then I saw it. I'd left the carb heat turned on during my landing and did not push it back in once on the ground. I did so and cleared the trees without issue. In that situation, thankfully I had plenty of time to diagnose, but had I made that mistake on a shorter field with closer obstacles, I might have suffered the same fate you almost did. Thank you for sharing.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
That sounds well dodgy. I'm still not over this and it has really bothered me to the point it has affected my confidence. I'm going to post a follow up vid where I loose my nerve on a different strip all because of this. We (hopefully) live and learn. Thank you Sir.
@SixStringflyboy
@SixStringflyboy Жыл бұрын
@@ShortField I learned yet another one last week. A Cessna 150M, loaded with my fiancee, two duffelbags with our clothes etc for 3 days/nights, and enough fuel to have an hour reserve at our destination but still way under max gross, will not climb when the mags are not set to "Both". Thankfully I was able to get just enough altitude to return to the field, diagnose the issue, click the mag once to the right, verify all was still well with a runup, and continue our trip. I now have 2 additional checks of the mags being set to both added to my before-takeoff checklist so I don't make this mistake again.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
@@SixStringflyboy I'm glad it's not just me :-) Good job.
@vargapa101
@vargapa101 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing. Great video, those drone shots are fabulous and the graphics really educational. Similar happened to me on C-150 on our local strip. I got almost 15 kt tailwind from 3/4 and was keen to get out. 500 m strip with tall trees 100 m behind RWY. My dangerous stupid mistake was carb heat on from previous landing. Those 50 RPM you lose with carb heat on I could feel - every one of them. Same with ground effect - I got airborn and the wind was blowing me towards those trees. I was smart enough to push on the yoke after take off and gain speed before pulling and clearing those trees by no bigger margin than you did. Afterwards, when my heart slowed a bit, did I find out the carb heat lever pulled. Will not happen again and I am sure you will remember your lesson forever. Great job, looking forward to another video.
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Pavol and great comment and story, these flights are the ones you should remember because if you don't you are destined to repeat them. So appreciate your watch and taking the time to comment.
@InducedBank
@InducedBank 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Terry, appreciate your honesty and willingness to share mistakes so we all have a chance to learn.
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike.
@ManNomad
@ManNomad Жыл бұрын
Great video and honest. If available a rolling "U" turn start can save you some significant meters over break holding run-up to TO as proven in a test with minimum TO distance in a C152 documentary. Give her a try sometime and compare when at a safe airport with buffer. P/s/ You are living the dream, don't stop flying because it is hard to get back into it later.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Cheers Fred I do try that sometimes if space allows. Great comment and don't worry as long as I can pass the medical I'm always going to fly. Appreciate the watch Sir.
@philnbspook6446
@philnbspook6446 2 жыл бұрын
Bet you will never miss Flaps again. Thanks for your open honest assesment. Happy landings matey.
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers Phil, nope that one ain't gonna get me again.
@carveking
@carveking Жыл бұрын
This video should be required viewing for all pilots. Thanks for sharing and having the courage and sense of duty to do so. I'd wager you won't make that mistake a second time.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Love this comment thank you so much.
@meetsmk
@meetsmk 2 жыл бұрын
I am first time watcher of your video, this is very well explanatory video of your experience. Really good.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Well thank you so much Shakir really appreciate your view and kind comment Sir.
@FlyingDarkLord
@FlyingDarkLord 2 жыл бұрын
I will constantly be checking my flaps before takeoff now!!! 😳 So easily done! 😬 Thanks very much for bravely sharing 👍🏼
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Flaps, another innuendo you need to include in your next video :-) This wasn't the video I was intending on posting but having all the camera angles would have made the AAIB's task pretty simple if I had shredded in the trees. Thank you for the watch and kind comment.
@FlyingDarkLord
@FlyingDarkLord Жыл бұрын
@@ShortField 😂😂😂
@jeffbridges666
@jeffbridges666 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, distraction is deadly , glad you are here to tell the story 👍
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Me too Jeff, washing machine has taken a bit of a bashing though :-) Really appreciate your watch and kind comment.
@BritAussieDude
@BritAussieDude Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Hopefully you’ve saved someone’s life through sharing your close call. Glad you’re still with us!!!!❤
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir.
@estebancoestaocupado
@estebancoestaocupado Жыл бұрын
I believe he might have very well saved mine... I remember this video every time I take off.
@Keeferlgb
@Keeferlgb Жыл бұрын
Great video-great lesson. Always, no matter how experienced or familiar, follow the checklist! It's too easy to miss a step, otherwise.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
It was a flight I won't forget in a hurry, thank you.
@elainefisher1023
@elainefisher1023 Жыл бұрын
Great video and great channel. One of the better aviation channels for sure. I love the detail you go into, it's very informative
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thank you for such a lovely comment Elaine.
@briancattle669
@briancattle669 Жыл бұрын
One of the things we do in the airlines is set the flaps before the aeroplane taxis. This way the aeroplane is in a takeoff configuration before it ever moves. Really good video and brilliant you’re willing to share your mistakes to help others.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
I now do that, thank you.
@mjennings061
@mjennings061 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this. I really like these honest videos because it makes everyone a better pilot, not just you.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thank you Michael.
@flyingmissionary
@flyingmissionary 2 жыл бұрын
Great learning points Terry and thanks for calling yourself out on this one for everyone’s benefit. We live to fly another day 🙏🏼
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers Dollar.
@davesaunders6339
@davesaunders6339 Жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation, details well covered. As a student pilot I am thankful for the experiences shared by other pilots that help me be a safer pilot. Thank you for sharing and I am so glad you are still around to be able to share your experiences, good and bad. Safe flying!
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Cheers Dave, appreciate that and good luck with the training.
@Savage_Viking
@Savage_Viking Жыл бұрын
Great to watch and please keep these videos coming. Perfect lessons for student pilots or those looking to get into flying.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
So kind thank you but don't really want to be doing this again :-)
@FlightX101
@FlightX101 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this. mistakes happen and is educational for everyone here
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the watch and comment FlightX101
@theflyingfrog
@theflyingfrog 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. We’ve all done something stupid like that… and we’re the lucky ones who live to learn from our mistakes!
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
There but for the grace of (insert your God, idol or leader here) :-)
@LHA8925
@LHA8925 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video as usual Terry. I’m glad I spotted the mistake at the very start! I was about to comment and ask if there was a certain reason you didn’t set flaps as I thought you’d not done it for a reason! These kinds of videos are so helpful and a true reminder to us all that no matter how seasoned a pilot one is, there’s always room for error and also rams home the importance of checklists. I’m off to Sandown for the first time in a few weeks but I think I’ll stay away from this place! My PA28 wouldn’t even think about rotating in that short a space!
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
So true Laurie and great spot on the flaps, just wish I'd been as observant. Thank you for the kind comments this was a tough one to post but seems to have been received well. Thanks again buddy.
@AlisterBrenton
@AlisterBrenton Жыл бұрын
A good memory aid for things like this would be a physical checklist device like the one Missionary Bush Pilot uses - I believe he also sells them, the idea is each checklist item is a switch on the box, which you flip up for T/O and down for landing - gives you an immediate visual and tactile reference to where you are in your checks to avoid missing steps due to distraction
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thanks Alister I like Ryan's checkbox but it wouldn't be practical in our small cockpit. Great advice though and thanks for the watch Sir.
@LetsGoFlying
@LetsGoFlying 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Terry. it is good that you have put this out there for other people to learn from. There is nothing quite like the feeling of looking down a runway and thinking "how on earth am I going to get airborne from this?!" I remember thinking something very similar in my mates field which is 270m from fence to fence!
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers Nick and thank you, it was an experience I don't want to repeat. I climbed at 2-3 knots over the stall speed at 30 feet off the ground, just got my pants back from the wash.
@Vyken27
@Vyken27 Жыл бұрын
You my friend, are very lucky ! I discovered your videos recently and I very like it, they are instructive. Keep going !
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Super kind thank you. Just remember I am not an instructor just a real world pilot trying to keep safe.....and failing at times. Thank you again Vykel
@carlhusain1012
@carlhusain1012 2 жыл бұрын
Good vid. Terry, thanks for posting it. It just goes to show that we will never have enough experience that we can allow our concentration to drop, even for a moment.
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers Carl, another pair of underpants ruined 🙂
@shiFt1989
@shiFt1989 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for a great analysis and nice job keeping that nose down even when you saw the trees approaching. A human factors related observation. I see your checklist is extremely long. I fly commercially and the checklists on a bigger and more complex aircraft are much shorter than this. We will often complete items by flow checks and then read checklists. Non killer items are usually just summarised using one point on the checklist (for example: Cockpit setup - complete) Killer items (flaps, trim anti-ice etc.) are listed one by one. Another big difference is that most of the items are complete by the time we start taxiing. On my aircraft we only have 6 checklist items after we start taxiing until we take off. I have adopted this onto a C182 I often fly. The lineup checklist is just 5 items: Fuel selector - Both Cowl flaps - Open Flaps - __ set Mixture - Rich Fuel pump - On Since we mostly fly skydivers with many short turnarounds per day, the lineup checklist is made as a placard and taped to the instrument panel.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thank you and from a "proper pilot". I'm sure this has happened to everyone as a solo pilot, you go through your checklist but you physically don't check or complete the checklist item. For example when I used to fly complex aircraft my short final check was 'Red, Greens, Blue" I know on particularly tricky approaches I said this out loud but didn't look down at the actual control positions. We are human and that's the problem :-) Really appreciate you taking the time to comment. Thank you
@rinzler9775
@rinzler9775 Жыл бұрын
@@ShortField actually keeping that nose down when everything in your body is saying pull up was actually a right of passage, be it a tough one. It shows you use logic to override panic.
@arnaudnicolau2093
@arnaudnicolau2093 Жыл бұрын
glad you are still around and able to share this vid with all of us
@cg_justin_5327
@cg_justin_5327 Жыл бұрын
Great rundown, and good on you for your honesty and sharing your EXPERIENCE that might save another pilots life. Great stuff here.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thank you Sir.
@n1vca
@n1vca Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for sharing, very well reflected, processed and documented 👍 Congrats to your beautiful plane. It would be interesting to hear from your experience with flaps on muddy fields, since my theory is that at some point early lift at ground effect has to be prioritized in order to be able to get out of the high rolling resistance and being able to accelerate to a speed that later is safe to lift off. I thought when on a grass strip setting flaps is as standard as turning the ignition on when starting the engine. But then again as you mentioned you get distracted in such a stressful situation, want to follow your friends ASAP and forget this very basic step. I am mainly a flight simmer with just a few real world take-offs and landings of C152,172 and PA28, but always on asphalt, so I have no clue about real life on grass strips and I just presumed what I wrote above. Hope I wasn't wrong.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thank you and great comment. Dry short grass is not too bad and in my real world experience has around a 10% affect on resistance compared to hard runways. In this aircraft we wouldn't set flaps on a long runway as there's not much point but here it was imperative to safely get out of there. This was such a bad mistake and I was really lucky to get away with it. I love simming as well and tried the strip in MSFS in a C152 it was almost exactly the same profile. Thank you Terry
@rodneyskennedy3163
@rodneyskennedy3163 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Terry, and good info on keeping it accurate on the pre-checks.
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Rodney, I suppose this shows that reading a checklist and doing the items correctly are two totally separate things and we need to get them both right, everytime.
@flyingwithmatt1986
@flyingwithmatt1986 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to see your ok Terry, that was close! Another excellent video mate. I genuinely think you have the best uk aviation videos on KZbin now. Brilliant content, and excellent production.
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Matt that is the most amazing comment and coming from a fellow KZbinr, I am flattered. I watch alot of YT aviation videos and I draw inspiration from them but I feel due to my lack of vlogging skills (which you do excellently) I tend to have to make voice over videos which limits the appeal of my vids. I am genuinely blown away thank you so much buddy, I'm getting the coffee's when I'm next up 🙂
@flyingwithmatt1986
@flyingwithmatt1986 2 жыл бұрын
I mean it mate. When I see a new video pop up, I know it’s going to be a good one. It’s funny because I’ve wanted to try and introduce voice over to my videos but I don’t think my Yorkshire accent really fits with the videos 😂 so I tend to just jabber on in the videos. I talk To myself anyway so it comes natural 🤣. We need to put a date in the diary. Meet half way, you come north and I’ll go south.
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
@@flyingwithmatt1986 yes soonest.
@beanbagcommando
@beanbagcommando Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your willingness to detail mistakes so that other people can learn from them. Thank you
@tompryor_
@tompryor_ Жыл бұрын
I've just passed my PPL skills test (on Monday) and your videos are so well made and so helpful for new pilots like myself, so thank you so much! Do you apply or use the safety factors for your t/o and landing calculations?
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
That is wonderful news well done Tom....now be careful :-)
@maxflight777
@maxflight777 Жыл бұрын
Congratulations!! Now the learning commences !
@portnuefflyer
@portnuefflyer 2 жыл бұрын
The last time I overshot a landing in my very short and slow landing RANS S-7S, was out in the Idaho desert. The emergency strip had a windsock, which I of course eyeballed before setting up my landing. It gradually dawned on me I was 1/3 of the way down the strip and not quite done landing yet! Turns out the wind sock pole had broken and fallen over, and as luck would have it it indicated an opposite direction than the true. In my case NO windsock would have been better, that I could deal with, I got lulled by bad info.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
A cautionary tail Sir. Love it that you watched and penned a fine comment. Thank you so much.
@jollyrogererVF84
@jollyrogererVF84 8 ай бұрын
A brilliant, stunningly honest video from a human pilot And everyone should realise this and other mistakes are within their "skills" range. Many thanks for sharing 👍
@ShortField
@ShortField 8 ай бұрын
Thanks a ton, so appreciate your kind comment!
@FLYINGADDICTed
@FLYINGADDICTed Жыл бұрын
Oh man, that was close. Glad that you share also the mistakes. A lot to learn from. What is definitelly helping when performing all the checks is to learn it in some kind of sequence that is always the same and goes chronologically in the cockpit from the back to front. I learned that in my flight school and it is one of the most usable thing.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Messed it up and nearly paid for it. As a fellow SportCruiser pilot you know flaps are not that important in our aircraft but when the margins are tight every little bit of performance helps. Thank you Jan.
@AltusMaya
@AltusMaya Жыл бұрын
As a current student enrolled in my Flight Instructor Rating, this video is extremely helpful, and reminds us all that small errors can lead to bigger issues. I plan to incorporate video training in my presentations to future students, so the PGI portion isn't as boring and lectury. I just went through the air exercises on soft & short field take off and landings, so this video is very timely. Thanks again for sharing your experience, as it will resonate with me and hopefully my future students
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Oh appreciate that thank you so much, don't want to be making any more 'cock-up' vids though :-)
@AltusMaya
@AltusMaya Жыл бұрын
@@ShortField haha all videos help...especially the good ones too. Teaching about Spins for example, and using a video demonstration of it looks like and how to recover from it, may ease the students nerves, especially when they are performing it for the first time :)
@glennwatson
@glennwatson 2 жыл бұрын
New viewer and appreciate the video. Another suggestion on these short strips is to pick an abort location on the airstrip, a row of trees/windsock or similar, and just commit 100% to abort the flight if not airborne or rotate speed by then. Power off and brake simultaneously, and stop. Important to also not to delay once you hit the abort point since hesitation could also be an issue. It may have helped in this scenario, possibly even with the other errors.
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Glenn thanks so much for the watch and comment. That's a great idea and something I try to do but on these short ones you are committed to flight by the time you get halfway which can be as short as 180 meters or about 12 seconds into the run. Farm and short strip flying makes you accept risks that you wouldn't on longer airfields, if you didn't you probably would never attempt them in the first place.
@Senseigainz
@Senseigainz Жыл бұрын
There are two ways to approach this. Small GA aircraft dont calculate a V1 so you will need to calculate how much length is required to RTO and find a point on the strip where that is OR use the 70/50 rule. If you are not 70% of your rotate speed by 50% of the runway, ABORT!
@glennwatson
@glennwatson Жыл бұрын
@@Senseigainz like the 70/50 rule, first time hearing of it but sounds like a good guide.
@Senseigainz
@Senseigainz Жыл бұрын
@@glennwatson its something i heard later on in my career. However, its a rule of thumb that will keep you on the safe side.
@JeanLucCoulon
@JeanLucCoulon 2 жыл бұрын
Lesson learned! Thanks for sharing!
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jean-Luc
@nathanpritchard2943
@nathanpritchard2943 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Terry, as a fellow Sportcruiser pilot I find your videos invaluable.
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers Nathan, brilliant aircraft as you know but still can bite you if you mess them around.
@cad5026
@cad5026 Жыл бұрын
Great video, a lot to learn from this. However, adding 15% on the post analysis for a 10kt tailwind is out in my opinion. It would likely be somewhere around 30%. That combined with the shallower angle of climb. It's hard to put an exact figure on it but there are many articles suggesting much higher numbers. A runway that short, an obstacle at the end and a tailwind. I think you escaped the Swiss cheese effect and I'm glad you made it. Stay safe, thanks for sharing.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
I know and I think you are totally correct, however when I did the calcs based on the POH with 30% I should be well in the trees so not sure what's going on there, I know I was on the edge of stalling all the way upto 50ft. Thanks for the great comment and kind words.
@gawebm
@gawebm Жыл бұрын
@@ShortField "When I did the calcs" makes huge assumptions on many variables you could not have known.
@rinzler9775
@rinzler9775 2 жыл бұрын
Been involved in GA for a couple of decades, and EVERY pilot I've spoken to has had at least one close call.
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
We need it sometimes, you know that saying about walking away from the aircraft, it's so true. Thank you for the watch and great comment.
@lukeorlando4814
@lukeorlando4814 Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of a saying I heard doing the classroom section of my motorcycle exam “ there are two types of riders, those who have crashed and those who will. Don’t ever think that your the exception and get complacent “
@flyingfortressrc1794
@flyingfortressrc1794 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you were able to take off and all was well.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thank you appreciate that.
@VictoryAviation
@VictoryAviation Жыл бұрын
Excellent deconstruction of the incident. Thank you for putting yourself out there for the betterment of safety. Glad this was only a close call and not much worse
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Cheers Matt
@gwynsea8162
@gwynsea8162 2 жыл бұрын
When you were getting near the trees in the initial play through I thought "a bit more flap might get you over them better" and then you'd have noticed the lack of flap! I flew from a small strip at Marlborough near Boston, Mass. In a 152 (I think) with an instructor there. Short strip with trees at the end and it was standard procedure once climbing to put more flap on to better clear the trees!
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
I hate trees at the end of short strips anyhow, but add on a cock-up and things get bad quickly. Fantastic comment Gwyn thank you buddy.
@davidwhite8633
@davidwhite8633 Жыл бұрын
Since any flap reduces the angle of climb on an airplane, why would you think that adding flap would help , rather than be deleterious in getting above an obstacle ahead ?
@gwynsea8162
@gwynsea8162 Жыл бұрын
@@davidwhite8633 because applying it in the instance mentioned has the effect of quickly increasing your height allowing you to hop over obstacles. It is described as early as by Ernest Gann in Fate Is The Hunter when he narrowly missed the Taj Mahal.
@rinzler9775
@rinzler9775 Жыл бұрын
My 2 cents - For all the flight sim pilots out there in particular, its good practice to treat your simulator flights as serious as the real thing - and go through all the real world checks. This is because when SHTF, we go back to our rote training. You never know when you will be behind the controls of a real aircraft, or maybe a mix like myself. Even in the sim, I am thinking of my abort take off marks, engine failure actions, real world checks, etc. Its also good to turn on "random failures" in the sim also, rather than build a false sense of security. I will ramble on about a true story where the head of the police training in some county always trained his police to pick up the brass from fired shots as they went, to save money and keep the area clean. There was a real shootput, and a couple of the cops were killed - they were picking up their brass in the middle of a gunfight because that is how they trained - its a real thing.
@ThomasGrillo
@ThomasGrillo Жыл бұрын
Wow! that was close. Very glad it all worked out, though. Thanks for sharing this post flight brief with us.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thank you Thomas appreciate the comment and view Sir.
@yannismakridis
@yannismakridis Жыл бұрын
Great video Terry! Love your content and that you are not afraid to teach us from your errors. I will make sure I’m checking my flaps twice on lineup...
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thank you Yannis may catch up with you one day.
@yannismakridis
@yannismakridis Жыл бұрын
@@ShortField absolutely !
@JodelFlyer
@JodelFlyer 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Terry. As you have always said, you share the good and the bad. Not that this was bad but it is a valuable lesson for us all to be aware of. When there are external pressures it can be easy to make mistakes and omissions. Thanks for putting this together and for sharing it with us all. 👍😎
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Tim, at least if it does go wrong one day the AAIB will have plenty of footage. :-)
@richskeggs
@richskeggs 2 жыл бұрын
None of us are infallible! Thank you for posting, another enjoyable watch and gives us all food for thought :) I look forward to your next installment (with flaps)!
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
🤣 let's hope I get it right next time Rich. Thanks for the kind comment and watch buddy.
@richardanderson848
@richardanderson848 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve not read all of the 100+ comments, but see they are mostly favourable. Great vid Terry, and it’s great to see/hear, articulated, mistakes we have all made (and thus far got away with). But seeing it like this, with the analysis, will all add to the double check that goes on in my head in addition to the check list. Keep ‘em coming but don’t stuff yourself in just to give us a lesson!
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Richard, no one has learnt more from this than I have, luckily it's on YT for life and whenever I start to slack I'll re-watch it and have a word with myself. Think I'll stick to strip guide videos in future much easier on the nerves. Appreciate the lovely comment and watch Sir.
@joemclaughlin995
@joemclaughlin995 Жыл бұрын
Glad everything went well in the end.A steep learning curve if there ever was one.Relief that your report didn't end with hard cheese!
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
:-) Yes that would have 'GRATED' me :-)
@jackiewang7725
@jackiewang7725 Жыл бұрын
Respectful. Everyone makes mistakes. Only few guys would like to share the experience. Grass landing and take off are the most stressful things during my PPL training. Feels like it takes forever to airborne. And keep the nose high means it's hard to estimate the runway remaining.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jackie.
@dodgeholls5018
@dodgeholls5018 11 ай бұрын
I clocked the flaps and instantly thought "ooops, not a strip to forget those". Don't take this the wrong way, but I got to this video by watching the one you posted after it, but the link in that one that you mention you'll put in the top corner to this one is actually just a link to that same video that was playing, so I found this one just with a quick look in the activity feed. It's clear you were nervous about posting it up. There's a couple of other things you say that shows me how much this has knocked your confidence (I'm sure you'll talk more about that in the video after this as I came straight this one to watch it first). Personally, from one pilot to another, I think putting up these videos was the responsible thing to do. Owning up to a mistake is humble and could really help others and I completely respect any pilot that hopes to help other pilots become better and think more. I'm glad you didn't end up in a bad way from this error and hope you get that confidence back. Best wishes to you and your family.
@ShortField
@ShortField 11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much Dodge for your very thoughtful and constructive comment sir.
@OlleMattsson
@OlleMattsson Жыл бұрын
Nerves of steel! Thank you for having the courage to share. Very useful lesson here, as always.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thank you Olle not a video I want to do again....ever. Cheers buddy.
@stevenstyles7602
@stevenstyles7602 2 жыл бұрын
Terry Superb, By showing you’re error, you have probably saved at least one pilots life in future, May be mine, and I thanks you in advance for that.
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Steve, having a YT channel means sharing your mistakes and it may make you look a bit of a numpty but we all know there's not one person in this world who never makes them.
@stevenstyles7602
@stevenstyles7602 2 жыл бұрын
@@ShortField I’ve done a few daft things during my flying days, I once landed a C177, cardinal, the main gear hadn’t locked fully down, and I scooted along the runway with a shower of sparks behind me, fortunately the nose wheel had locked down. It turned out the fuse had tripped just as the nose wheel locked. But I hadn’t checked ‘fuses in’ as part of my downwind checks.
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
@@stevenstyles7602 not done that one yet even with 20 years in complex but it's more through luck than any skill. Had plenty of 2 greens but due to the squat switch position on the Commander I ended up pretty much ignoring it as muck on the switch 🙂
@stevenstyles7602
@stevenstyles7602 2 жыл бұрын
@@ShortField Interestingly there is only one green light on the cardinals, for all three wheels. It happened 40 years ago, and I still swear to this day I saw a green, but You’re Memory can tricks on you.
@MooneyOvation2
@MooneyOvation2 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for generously sharing your experiences in the interest of improving aviation safety. We all make mistakes… I even recall forgetting to complete my engine run up on one occasion due to fatigue and pressure to depart quickly. I checked the takeoff performance chart for my Mooney and it shows a 10Kt tailwind typically requires a 20% increase in takeoff distance to clear a 50ft obstacle. It’s not only the takeoff run, but the increasing wind gradient as you climb adds even more to the problem. I’m wondering if a takeoff to the South might have been the best option.
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Peter for the watch and excellent comment.
@xxxMattxxxuk
@xxxMattxxxuk 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video Terry. I always learn something watching them. Thanks :)
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Matt
@SW-yz4fv
@SW-yz4fv Жыл бұрын
I'm really glad I found your channel. You've earned my subscription 200% with your honesty and modest review. Safe skies to you and I hope one day to share the sky with you
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
I hope I get to keep it, thank you so much.
@gideonfourie8722
@gideonfourie8722 Жыл бұрын
Wrong assumption! Thank you for sharining this valuable lesson. I believe the biggest error was the assumption of influence of the tailwind. I had a similar scare around 15 years ago, which prompted me to crunch some numbers, to find out where I went wrong. For this purpose I assumed a hypothetical aircraft which would accelerate linearly at 3kts/s (1,54m/s/s) to a liftoff speed of 60Kts. Using Galileo's rule of odds, this aircraft would in zero-wind conditions require a ground run of 308 m. With a 9Kts headwind it only needs 223m (-28%). However, with a 9Kts tailwind it will require a 408m ground run - thats 32% more than no-wind, and 83% more than 9Kts headwind. Obviously the numbers are not 100%, as prop aircraft will not accelerate linearly, but it does show that we tend to hugely underestimate the influence of a tailwind on takeoff or landing.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thanks Gideon. I think you are correct tailwinds are not to be messed with, you've got the longer ground run plus that severely reduced angle of climb to deal with. The math shows it wasn't safe the practical proves it wasn't. Fantastic comment Sir.
@Senseigainz
@Senseigainz Жыл бұрын
A brilliant YT recommendation and i am now a subscriber. I caught the the problem immediately and felt your pain. Do you calculate Density altitude as well? I would recommend doing your vital checks all the time, not if its less than 500m as you suggested. This will in-still a disciplined attitude to all phases of flight and not just certain conditions. - B737 Captain.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Wow thank you Captain, feel very humbled that you should enjoy my little video even if it showed my as a bit of a dork. This field sits at 180ft but on the day had a DA of 1,250ft. We get complacent about DA in the UK as most fields are only a few hundred feet above sea level and with a temperate climate it rarely affects performance too much, whereas in the States I know it is a must for every pilot. We do get caught out on very high temperature days (we currently have forecast 40 oC in London later this week) and that will catch people out with performance. Thank you so much for the sub hope I can keep it Sir. Cheers Terry
@Senseigainz
@Senseigainz Жыл бұрын
@@ShortField the UK does benefit from its lower temperatures year round i must admit. As a tip, do you calculations in the planning stage using max tailwind component. You will know for sure if you can or cannot get out. Dont worry about feeling like a dork, we all make mistakes even airline pilots. We learn more from a mistake than success. Keep at it, stay safe.
@JasonDarbel
@JasonDarbel Жыл бұрын
Absolutely necessary content, thank you for sharing your experiences it’s really eye opening! Godspeed and stay safe!❤
@bryanrobinson6891
@bryanrobinson6891 2 жыл бұрын
Glad your ok. What a great video! Very thorough and a great teaching tool for the rest of us.
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Bryan.
@WX4CB
@WX4CB 2 жыл бұрын
holy cow.... that was a close one.. as for checklists, i have memorised MOST of the checklists, but i always verify with the checklist paper :D
@grahamlees4394
@grahamlees4394 2 жыл бұрын
yeah, familiarity can and does breed contempt 🙂
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Reading a checklist and doing the items correctly are two totally separate things and we need to get them both right, everytime. Thanks for the great comment and view.
@WX4CB
@WX4CB 2 жыл бұрын
@@ShortField oh yes totally... my general process is.... on the ground follow the paper... in the air, do what you memorised and then double check with the paper... especially in the case of an engine out
@Erik-gg2vb
@Erik-gg2vb Жыл бұрын
If I recall at my airport years ago there was a C-172 with 4 soles on board. A new young pilot who had to do an aborted landing and forgot to retract the fully deployed flags and was unable to climb and stalled. All perished. Things can go bad in a hart beat.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
So sad. I do count my blessings Erik, thank you.
@clarkstonguy1065
@clarkstonguy1065 Жыл бұрын
I think I might know the incident you are talking about and that was sad indeed. Pilot learned to fly in I believe a Cirrrus SR20 with electrically actuated flaps that only take one touch on the switch to fully retract. Got checked out to fly a Cessna with flaps that don't act the same and managed to take-off with full flaps deployed on the first flight with his family members on board. He assumed the issue when he couldn't climb was that he was too heavy with 4 people on board, and I speculate that when he decided to return to the runway he chopped power to conserve runway length instead of just lowering the nose and coming up to a comfortable approach speed first. Probably doesn't help that new pilots are drummed so forcefully with the power for altitude / pitch for speed mantra - he wanted to go down to get back on the ground!
@rinzler9775
@rinzler9775 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, knowing the wind is important, double so for a tail dragger.
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@MineKapas
@MineKapas Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your history! This will certainly help a lot of aviators
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thank you, don't want to make a habit of it though :-)
@theflyingfool
@theflyingfool Жыл бұрын
Hi Terry. Thanks for posting this, as it's an extremely interesting video. I appreciate you're already accepting a certain added risk associated with short field operations so you may not consider what I'm about to write is relevant to your flying, but I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. For the Cessna 152 that I fly the POH states that 10% should be added to the Vref distance for every 2 kts of tailwind. Clearly, the old wheezer isn't anything like a Sportcruiser (even when new!) & those figures may only be directly relevant to a 152 but doing that calculation still gives a 606m Vref distance with takeoff flap set & I'm unsure how far you can bend the basic laws of physics & aerodynamics in favour of your aircraft. Are you in the habit of making a firm commitment to being at a certain airspeed by a certain point or rejecting takeoff? I know this is a bit of an arbitrary concept but it might serve to crystallise thinking to avoid "get out of here-itis". A great example of this is in Eric Browns book, when he had to fly an Arado 234B out of a very, very short field. I won't bore you with the details, but he managed it, just...
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
And I was just about to go to bed Steve and then you post a great comment that I have to reply too :-) It's so hard to get figures for the SportCruiser as it doesn't have a performance graph. My calcs were based on the basic info in the POH and 500 hours of flying one, so not totally accurate. If I have space I will have a go-no go or V2 commit to flight point but TBH on these short ones when you're at the end of the strip in 18 seconds there's really not much point. Brilliant comment thanks right I'm off to bed 🙂
@theflyingfool
@theflyingfool Жыл бұрын
@@ShortField hope you slept OK! Yes, I guess 500hrs of experience does give you a "security blanket". Maybe you just found that yours had a hole in it... anyway, blue skies!!
@TheSoaringChannel
@TheSoaringChannel Жыл бұрын
Nice video analysis. I will say that this kind of operation being sought out has inherently greater risks because you don't have that 30% or 50% margin available any longer. Being proficient helps, which you won't have an issue with by doing this so often. However: then you need to consider the rate of accidents per hour or number takeoff and landings to a short field. There's no two ways about it: the accident rate is significantly higher, and for a reason. It's higher because with everything dialed in and correctly done: it makes a safe margin on takeoff. With any one little itty bitty issue: it's disaster. Let's just say one mag fails while you're doing your ground effect acceleration... What then? You won't make it. Give yourself more margin or a higher performing aircraft for this kind of operation. You've got to "give yourself an out" and frankly there isn't one in this short field operation. It's meant for a Cub (or even a Super Cub!). Maybe consider that against the aircraft you're using. It seems very capable, however as you've demonstrated - it's deadly consequences with any small error or mechanical issue. Have you considered what would happen if just one spark plug fowls? With those margins: you're in the trees and THOSE statistics don't favor you.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Awesome comment. Totally agree and always aware of the increased risks with strip flying, you either accept them or you don't and if you don't you don't do it. There is a slight addiction to getting in to short gnarly strips, eventually you will find the limit but sadly it might be your last flight. Normal safety margins and buffers don't really apply to strip flying, for example I like to have a point on the runway where I can abandon the take-off but on fields like this when you are at the end in under 17 seconds you don't get much opportunity. I agree with everything you say in your comment thank you.
@TheSoaringChannel
@TheSoaringChannel Жыл бұрын
@@ShortField cheers from Florida. Ironically after 11,000 hours I finally had my first true engine failure.... In a glider 🤣 Your video was spot on. I enjoyed it. In the glider I run the flow, the checklist, then the flow one last time before applying power. Maybe give that a go.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
@@TheSoaringChannel I'm assuming you fly a motor glider or is engine failure in a pure glider no wind, no lift or winch failure 🙂
@TheSoaringChannel
@TheSoaringChannel Жыл бұрын
@@ShortField LoL also yes 🤣 yessir it's a self launching glider. For now it's just a pure glider. Best part of having a pure glider? Can't have an engine failure. Just a loss of lift. Hehe Even from 3000' it takes nearly 25 minutes before you have to land. Just crazy. Fly safely buddy. New subscriber. 😊
@philipdartnell
@philipdartnell Жыл бұрын
Tremendous video Terry! Thanks so much for putting together such a comprehensive self analysis of where you went wrong and how easily it happened. I know that mushy feeling of taking off without the flaps set. You must have been like "oh good grief, of all the mistakes I could have made this day on this short strip, not setting flaps shouldn't have even been possible!" but still it happened. People have crashed for far lesser errors so yes, you were incredibly fortunate this day! But that you've taken the experience and turned it into such a brilliant training video is a real mark of your determination to not repeat such a mistake and to help others become aware of just how fallible we can be. Thanks very much.
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Amazing comment Philip thank you so much sir.
@CCitis
@CCitis Жыл бұрын
Found your channel recently, really fantastic editing and video content. Great take on the flying too. Subscribed!
@ShortField
@ShortField Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jeremy appreciated, hope I can keep your sub sir.
@crisjpalmer
@crisjpalmer 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for Sharing Terry .... as you know I am starting to "Dip my toe" into the world of strip flying. everytime you release a video, it adds so much value for me personally and the flying I do. glad all turned out well in the end.
@ShortField
@ShortField 2 жыл бұрын
Cock-ups, becoming a regular thing with me 🙂
@crisjpalmer
@crisjpalmer 2 жыл бұрын
@@ShortField I prefer to call them "Learning experiences" At least your humble enough to accept them and become a better pilot from it, whilst letting others learn along the way with you.
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