Pilots! - Bearing Pointers on G1000 aircraft and ADF tracking of NDBs are flown the same. VFR or IFR

[@sfixx]

As a young CFII in the 90s I taught NDB navigation every week for 3 years. This video makes me nostalgic for the good old days where you had an instrument that told you everything necessary just by twisting in a freq. Hopefully Jason’s exercise will encourage pilots to further develop the brain powered moving map in their head.

[@ik04]

In Afghanistan, we didn't stop training. I used the GPS to simulate the Ayers Rock NDB-DME and picked a dry creek to simulate the runway. It was great training and I consider it essential knowledge!

[@AshleyWincer]

You can also use the orange lubber lines (located every 45 degrees) around both the ADF and the DG as reference points too, since they do not move..

[@kenellis2410]

Back in the 80’s when I was working on my IFR, my instructor would have me fly inbound and outbound on specific courses, with the A D F tuned to A.M. radio stations. They were well away from the airport so we wouldn’t be interfering with traffic. Nice to see the concept revived. Keep up the great videos.

[@aviatortrucker6198]

Back in the day I did master the NDB and used to like flying the course. During the instrument rating written you had to calculate the magnetic bearing to the station by adding the indicated bearing plus your magnetic heading. If it was greater than 360 then you had to subtract 360. The glass cockpit is like having a movable compass card which creates the instrument known as an RMI.

[@Hanna144]

Love this, I really want to work on my ADF and NDB skills, but the ADF on our plane was not working and I got outvoted on replacing it. I wish I had these arguments in that vote. I got my PPL in 1987 but haven't flown much since then so I started when this was required knowledge. Never hurts to know the basics.

[@kch2005]

Hi Jason. I recently purchased your outstanding E-book: Setting the Standard. Regarding the flowcheck also mentioned in this video: Why do you always start at the Compass and not the fuel selector ? I see the advantage of starting at the fuel, being that the flow will then be similar to the engine failure re-start check (and secure engine check). I would greatly appreciate your comment on this. and thanks to both of you for creating all of this great content.

[@jimallen8186]

I’ll often give the KCON VOR-A Pointer only followed by KCON VOR-A Pointer & CDI followed by KLCI no GPS Full ILS 08 through MAP and yes, this Pointer stuff works great. CDI to LOC while using CON Pointer till on LOC, CON Pointer for cross fixes, then on the MAP toggle NAV 1 from LOC to ENE using the Pointer initially till climbing straight before taking time to adjust CDI to assist on the MAP. Great training. I’ll likely have preceded it all with some unpublished Arcs and some VOR Point-To-Points into Holds. Makes for a great IFR training Dance Card. Though seems most my students complain as to why they need to do this stuff when they have GPS. Children of the Magenta.

[@jimallen8186]

If you haven’t, watch Children of the Magenta right here on KZbin. Goes well with this channel’s IFR Checkride “Don’t Go Down the Rabbit Hole.”

[@peterellison2220]

I love how you always bring a new perspective to the table!

[@leonardfrasco3856]

Awesome video bring back some old memories start flying in 1989 flying ADF confusing

[@Ichibuns]

No other channel really does much of anything IFR related. It's great to be able to find these things. If you could possibly compile a set of videos for online IFR training, it would be an amazing supplement to my own training.

[@Zakit24]

Great video. I like teaching, to help cut down math in the cockpit, the tail-radial-turn method to figure out what direction to turn. Super impose the needle over your heading compass like you taught and the. Look at the tail, then look at the radial yoi want to head to, and if you went left to get that radial then your initial turn is left etc. But you gotta remember to think in terms of radial from, not bearings TO a station.

[@CH-lc3yf]

Jason, great video. As usual, of course. Have you heard of the Charlie-Brown+30 and Tom-Collins+45 methods? That's how we were taught in- and outbound interceptions in the military.

[@mitchinwanderlust]

Curious! Tell us more.

[@CH-lc3yf]

@@mitchinwanderlust It can be used for HSIs and RMI type indicators. CB+30 is used for inbound interceptions. That means you look at desired Course inbound to the station, then go from there to the Bearing pointer and add another 30 degrees. That gives you a 30 deg intercept heading. TC+45 is used for outbound interceptions. You go from the Tail of the bearing pointer (current radial) to your desired Course (desired radial) and add another 45 degrees for your intercept heading. Always make sure to keep overall SA to avoid interceptions 180 out and such.

[@thatslucky5548]

Its amazing how clear you teach. Thanks for your uploads. I am going to practice this in x-plane

[@_mark_787]

How beat and detailed; incredible instructions

[@johnopalko5223]

So, the G1000 display is a combination HSI and RMI? That's bloody clever!

[@jimallen8186]

With Pointers, Arcing is much easier than with CDIs. You’ll likely never turn the wrong way or inadvertently get reverse sensing with Pointers. They’re great for rough movements while CDIs are great for refined. Put them together and you have a powerful SA team. With DME, or GPS in lieu of DME, now we can do VOR Point-To-Points on the HSI (and figure the Hold Entry at the next point on the HSI pretty easily). Use the 1% rule getting onto the Arc, 1% rule times degrees per arc distance getting off, you’re set for most Old School things which will help in the new school, help with understanding, and help when that GPS database gets hacked (like Jepp last Nov).

[@ChasingLindbergh]

Awesome video. Perfect content for the current state of things.

[@brianberezowski5352]

As ALWAYS ... ANOTHER AWESOME video. THANK YOU Jason.

[@DutchThackers]

Another great video. Thanks for the app. I bought it immediately. I know what I'm going to be doing when I take a shit break at work.

[@pilotsam30]

Thank you so much for saying what the app is. Cause many videos I watched never said anything, and I'd be left wondering how to find it

[@L123Alpha]

To eliminate mental math once on intercept course, align the ADF card with the compass, and when the needle reaches desired course turn inbound.

[@lifeinthefl94]

Exactly! I think he is making this more complicated than it needs to be.

[@markstafford7157]

And this is actually how it works on the G1000 and bearing pointers which is on the HSI is always oriented to your heading.

[@tcs20500]

Can you show us how to fly DME arcs using a CDI set to any point in space other than using the turn 10 twice 10 method

[@yaroeb9136]

I think an important point that you should have included is to never turn more than 90* from the parallel course or you’ll be flying away from your nav fix. What I’m saying is that your intercept should never be more than 90*, grab the deviation and double it to a max of 90*

[@bernardc2553]

Morning Jayson..keep-up the great work..ya I still have a working ADF lol

[@TheFinerPoints]

I love the ADF. I don't know why exactly but I think it's great that you have one. They have a spot in my heart for sure.

[@bernardc2553]

@@TheFinerPoints I'm really stuck on another issue Jayson, my partner, on another A/C (STOL 182) have done the glass Panel HOWEVER ;He doesn't want to run a regular steam A/S his is:you'll get use to it, Me: I want that quick reference what's your take ? I can't be the only OL'E timer with these thoughts

[@L123Alpha]

Great explanation Jason - curious on your thoughts re G1000 VOR approaches. I use CDI with GPS guidance and tune the RMI to the VOR to monitor any deviation, which eliminates need to remember to switch CDI source at high workload time.

[@mattbasford6299]

I've been working with my CFII on this very thing. I am preparing to take my checkride with 2 VORs and ADF. I've been struggling to understand how this works, especially accounting for wind.

[@jeremykendrick8959]

That is incredibly helpful! Thanks!!!

[@travisw9071]

Would you recommend sportys training to a new pilot?

[@russgreen7498]

I signed up on Patreon last week, thanks for all the additional material there. I'd been researching bearing pointers and their use in G1000 so your ground school capture was great timing, thank you. One question on the screenshot that you show of the G1000 at various points in this video such as at 5:00; both BPs are pointed at KPDX with the usual great circle GPS distance displayed. Why are they showing different radials (in this case R-139 and R-169)? I'd have expected them to be the same

[@markstafford7157]

I noticed the same thing.

[@Parr4theCourse]

Thanks for this, I fly a G1000 equipped airplane and can ALWAYS use some "Finer Points", HA, no pun intended, Ok maybe a little!

[@TheFinerPoints]

Awesome! Try this out and let me know what you think

[@midlifeflyer]

The only qualm I have with associating this with a glass cockpit is, with glass, the bearing pointers are "on" an RMI not an ADF, so it it far less complicated.

[@johnnienhuis128]

Why not just turn to a head 90 degrees off of the desired bearing which would take you towards the bearing? Then just fly it until the bearing pointer is at 90 degrees, then turn towards your inbound heading and fly the needle? For instance on the second example you want a 360 bearing. So fly 270 heading until your ADF reads 90. Then turn to your 360 heading and fly the needle.

[@TheFinerPoints]

If you’re confident enough to do that it works fine. Once proficient you can skip the “parallel” part and the “double the number” part

[@johnnienhuis128]

Thanks for the response!

[@craigsanders6925]

Thanks for the lessons, what app are you using to simulate this in the video?

[@TheFinerPoints]

It's called Nav Trainer

[@craigsanders6925]

@@TheFinerPoints Thanks!! Working on my private, should be done with solo CC but that will wait for awhile. So it's videos and going through ground school lessons again, and again, and again. :)

[@jimallen8186]

Pneumonic: Heads Always Fall like the French Revolution Tails Always Rise like a Scared Skunk I used to have something more politically incorrect, butt Push Head Pull Tail.