Small Plane Flies UNDER 737 During Landing

[@timbacchus]

As a small plane owner and pilot. Over the years I have learned never to argue with a controller on the radio in a busy airport someone might have an emergency and cannot get on radio because you are on.

[@michaelszczys8316]

Yeah, it's not CB radios, it's AIRPLANES

[@nicholi2789]

@@michaelszczys8316 they cannot broadcast simultaneously on the same frequency. Accidents have happened in the past because someone was talking to ATC while another pilot was broadcasting a message with important information.

[@michaelszczys8316]

@@nicholi2789 right. It's airplane flying business and not just CB radio covering each other up. Gotta keep the air clear.

[@nicholi2789]

@@michaelszczys8316 gotcha I thought you were saying it couldn’t happen

[@Londronable]

Not a pilot but just in general, listen to the person with the most information unless you have a damn good reason not to. Which is ATC.

[@avestuart]

I' m a 400-hour hobby pilot who doesn't always fly as frequently as i'd like. A couple of weeks ago I wanted to get night-current since we're heading into fall/winter and the chance of flying a passenger friend into darkness increases. During my three take-offs and landings, there was an Embraer 175 regional jet inbound on a long final and the controller told me that I was cleared to land if I could turn base on the numbers and descend quickly. He also quickly added, "no stop/go, i'll need you to exit the runway immediately". I was already abeam the numbers at 1600 feet and I saw the Embraer coming in. I would have had to do a serious diving-turn. I hadn't flown in a while and wasn't sure I was up for the rushed challenge, so I told tower I had the Embraer in sight and asked for a right 360 turn instead. I think I made the right decision and everyone turned-out happy.

[@noname-zg8lh]

If an air traffic controller gives you an instruction that is safe for them, but unsafe for you, just decline to do what they ask. YOU are the Pilot in Command. Not ATC.

[@coreymcdonald7745]

Good call. You as PIC are allowed to decline an ATC instruction if you feel it’s unsafe to do so.

[@MrMarkguth]

Agree, you made the right choice, night is not the time for steep turns and rushed landings, the controllers supervisor should council that guy

[@tomriley5790]

Absolutely good call - look at all the stall spin accidents that happen from low speed turns add in night time, time pressure absolutely not a good idea. Controller probably thought he was doing you a favour to get you on the ground quicker but absolutely the right decision at your end.

[@Heyemeyohsts]

I was in a 172 pulling up to the hold short line to do my runup before take off, and the controller wanted me to take off if i was ready because there was a jet on final. I said no, i am not ready. then there was like 5 more small jets and airlines. I was sitting there for a while. but I am glad I did , i hate taking off fast and having that feeling like I am forgetting something. But I wish I could have been speedier on the runup and had been ready

[@Synthfidel]

This exact same issue, happened to me in Houston, while doing freeway traffic reports, many years ago. I’m in a Cessna 172 N8KE, flying North up I45, through IAH controlled airspace. Tower told us to look for a Continental heavy that was on approach. We saw the aircraft, reported a visual, maintained a safe distance, went well behind him, but the heavy still called missed approach. The pilot of the heavy was very sarcastic on the radio, and IAH ordered me to land at Hooks, and call them. I was scared to death, not because of my flying, but because I have never had anything like this happen before, and I was humiliated by someone with far more flight experience. Called the tower, and the controller asked me two questions. Did I maintain a safe distance from the other aircraft, to which I responded yes, and was I training, which I was. If that pilot happens to read this someday, I’m sorry you felt the need to call your missed approach, but it wasn’t for anything I did…

[@danielch6662]

The problem is the vague/wrong instruction from the tower. Instead of saying "maintain a safe distance", they should have said maintain x-miles distance north of the other plane so that their TCAS don't trigger. "A safe distance" is actually smaller than the distance TCAS required. Tower shouldn't ask for one thing and expect pilots to read their mind and do something else. The tower knows how far the separation needs to be. The 737 pilots knew. Pipeline 351 did not, and in fact didn't need to. The tower should have told Pipeline 351 what the minimum separation they needed.

[@eonarose]

Given that the southwest plane and the Cessna were more or less moving towards each other, was the Cessna pilot supposed turn away?

[@MeCooper]

@@souleymaneelouardi5513 I actually really enjoy the comments that come up on this channel. Sure they're sometimes a little bit long or whatever but that is just because they're actually real experiences. It isn't just random people trying to sound cool so everything is short and stylized. It's real people talking like real people about their real experiences. tl;dr At least it's not BS

[@interestedparty00]

The controller clearly told her to stay north. To me, that means that she shouldn’t have crossed underneath him at all. The controller could have said, “stay west and north” but I think his instruction was clear enough.

[@georgebooth2005]

Kelsey, Save Me A Seat if we're ever going APOLITIC!!! 😱🤔😬🤬🤣 george 😎🤿🦈🦑🇺🇸 TEXAS

[@utubeflyer]

I'm a 4000 private pilot - use to commute into Midway weekly in my cirrus SR-22. Been many years since I have been there but remember well them always requesting me to hold 150 kts until the outer marker - which I always did - and had to consistently watch my temps to keep from shock cooling the engine. Heard plenty of frustrated and cantankerous pilots on approach and in the pattern there but always enjoyed the experience. I really don't think the cessna pipeline pilot did anything wrong here. She had good communication, followed the controllers direction, and seemed to be comfortable and in control. This was an ATC issue in my book - it was the towers responsibility to keep the cessna further north to keep from triggering the RA - and he just cut it too close and/or failed to communicate. Just my 2 cents. Love the channel and the content!!!! Keep up the great work!

[@Muck006]

Even as a non-pilot this seems like the correct assessment and the tower controller should know better how far left/right, up/down the system looks for collisions and react appropriately. Since most of us are "two-dimensional" (because we have two eyes side-by-side) and the radar screen is 2D as well, it is easier to plot a horizontal evasive course rather than an elaborate "go down to altitude X" to avoid detection by the system.

[@12345fowler]

I seriously wonder if you even watched the video... tower instructed the Cessna to keep north of the incoming traffic.

[@johnd5398]

I am not a pilot and have never even flown in an airplane. However, I have watched over 2 KZbin videos that at least casually mentioned air travel, so I qualify as an expert. I agree that the pipeline pilot did nothing wrong and ATC failed to keep her far enough away from the big jet.

[@Adamn58]

I’m a CFII, I think it was a combo of errors by ATC and the PIC. PIC was instructed to stay north, however they shouldn’t have been given instructions that allowed that to be possible.

[@skayt35]

@@12345fowler and she complied by swinging into a northern direction, if you listened closely. It just wasn't to the TCAS liking. Possibly this swing even cotributed in triggering the RA.

[@InspiringNotionz]

My Dad designed the first onboard anti aircraft collision device that was patented. It never got produced (as a more state of the art one came along 6 months later), however the company he was working for at the time had paid him $5000 for full patent rights, which was enough to pay off our mortgage. So listening to these videos about collision avoidance reminds me of my Dad puttering around in his workshop after dinner.

[@leeseh7137]

What a cool memory!

[@dancerico283]

😂😂😅

[@aimeewank7859]

That’s really sweet. What year about was that? (I’m not doubting you at all, I’m just trying to figure out that $5000 patent money in today’s figures). Honestly that’s really cool. Was your dad ever unhappy about the updated version that got used after he designed one? My hubby is a plumber and has been in touch with some patent lawyers about some ideas and found out that someone else had the same idea and beat him to it. 😂 BUT! He just got a phone call last week from a lawyer about an idea he submitted last year, so , fingers crossed! 🤞🏽 he’s recovering from surgery and not working right now so he could really use the win ❤️‍🩹🙏🏼🤩

[@InspiringNotionz]

@@aimeewank7859 It was the 60’s but before 68, so $5000 was enough to pay off our mortgage. I got to see my Dad on local PBS TV talking about it but I was less than 10.

[@alecmullaney7957]

I wish i could get a 5k mortgage

[@zanpsimer7685]

I’m a military sci fi writer and for atmospheric flying this channel is gold for me. Thanks for helping me understand the physics as a non pilot.

[@becksullivan4796]

Hey there. As a sci fi fan I appreciate the effort of an author to make the details plausible (not always possible-I mean it is sci fi!). I love Kelsey!

[@mortanicus5871]

I like the way the entire system, including the collision-avoidance procedures, worked together to ensure everyone landed safely in this situation. Great demonstration of how it all works.

[@Kalvinjj]

After the 2001 JAL near miss, TCAS/RAs take absolute priority, regardless of what the controller says even. If the aircraft tells you to climb and the controller tells you to descend, you climb. On that incident in question, both TCAS instructed correctly, one to climb, the other to descent, but the aircraft told to climb by TCAS was told to descent by ATC, and complied to ATC. In the situation of the Southwest flight it might have been too sensitive, but the Southwest pilots definitely aren't gonna risk it and just wing it.

[@mortanicus5871]

@@Kalvinjj I agree the SW pilots made a sound and professional decision in initiating the go-around.

[@Skinflaps_Meatslapper]

@@nearlynormal2293 Right? I mean, they were being entirely professional up to the point where the captain turned into a Karen and wanted to talk to a manager.

[@balesjo]

I can imagine if the TCAS system was generating the 'pull up' message in response to the Cessna. By the pilot's curt response, I suspect this may not have been his first time experiencing traffic-related problems at Midway.

[@Skinflaps_Meatslapper]

@@balesjo Pretty sure everyone who flies into Midway experiences traffic related problems of some variety or another. Good lord that place is busy.

[@nicolebarbee4619]

I was flying into DFW yesterday on final descent when all the engines started to rev. Some of the other passengers got really nervous, but I knew immediately "Oh we have to do a go around". I didn't even know what a go around was until I started watching your videos and it was definitely the first time I had ever experienced one. We were later told we had gotten a little too close to the plane landing ahead of us and the tower had directed the go around. It was definitely a cool experience seeing everything work exactly as it should to keep everyone safe.

[@mikejettusa]

Very cool. Thank you for sharing this

[@bozohunter9975]

@@endokrin7897 lmfao

[@honordeiss3335]

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[@neodonkey]

Had a flight from Poland to the UK sat next to a really nervous flyer. Captain goes on the PA and said they just took delivery, the plane was 30 days old and celebrating its first flight with passengers. Lady next to me grimaces and says "is that a good thing?" and I'm like "eh..." and do a little wavy hand gesture. As we come into to land Captain announces he will be letting the F/O land as "its his first landing with passengers." Woman next to me is going gray at this point. Then we do our first go around. Feel the engines kick in hard and start climbing, I'm like "this is interesting", I think we got something like "slightly lost sight of the runway there", came in again then we did ANOTHER go around. Can't remember reason this time. At this point lady next to me snaps and says "GET THIS F***ING THING ON THE GROUND!" I think she might have grabbed onto my wrist by the second go around! Was almost 20 years ago but it stands out.

[@infojo101]

I understand. I got sooo excited when having a bumpy descent and landing into a hot Malaga airport from Paris and we had a touch down go around. I looked like the crazy lady pumping my fist and ticking off a check box in my head. My friend had no idea we hadn’t landed….

[@williamkraft5574]

You did an amazing job explaining how most pilots get their flight hours if not in the military. Explaining about the warning system and everything else is great information.

[@katekursive1370]

Demanding what is essentially a colleague explain their professional decision to you mid-situation is WILD

[@tburda823]

I love your unbiased assessment of these videos. Entertaining and educational

[@jerrysanders9101]

Ya.. I think I’d be more biased in favor of the airline pilot.. after all they’ve got passengers and such larger jet.. seems like the Cessna should give way like in the water larger/smaller sail/no sail craft right of way.

[@wallyballou7417]

Years ago, I got cleared through the SFO TCA (yeah, it was that long ago) flying a 172 around 2500 feet about 2 miles off 28L. Had the pleasure of looking down as a DC-10 passed right under me. I swear I could see the pilot giving me the bird. As soon as he passed, he hit the throttle, climbed like a rocket, and gave the controller a piece of his mind!

[@mikejettusa]

And then you woke up from the weirdest dream ever 😂

[@neodonkey]

@@mikejettusa If that is a weird dream, then you my friend are incredibly lucky.

[@webcucciolo]

Thank YOU Kelsey!! On another channel I commented about TCAS, pilot load during landing, different visual and distance management for small plane and large jets, and everybody including pilots were bashing me and were saying that Cessna pilot didn't do anything wrong and 737 pilot was just an a**hole. Thank you for explaining this better than I could do

[@kenbrown2808]

I can see an argument that the Cessna pilot didn't think they were doing anything wrong, and the 737 pilot was grumpy. but in the end it was the 737 pilot's prerogative to call for a go around; as explained. I think the pilot would have sounded a bit less petulant if he'd said, "make a note, we'd have come too close to the cessna."

[@UnshavenStatue]

Cessna didn't do anything wrong AND the 737 is NOT an asshole (tho slightly grumpy). Nobody did anything wrong really, it was just a tough spot for all of them

[@CyanPhoenix_]

The important thing is that no one did anything wrong, but both pilots can learn something from what happened - the Cessna can learn that giving a bit more space to bigger jets is needed for them to avoid RAs and helps everything go smoother for everyone, and the 737 pilot can learn to be a bit less grumpy :P

[@Bad_Wolf_Media]

I'm not a pilot, haven't even been on a plane for years, but the Cessna pilot was doing exactly as they were told by control. If the SW pilot has a concern, he needs to take it up with control and not put a finger on the Cessna pilot. Jumping in on the channel when your copilot was handling the radio to have a little bitch-session may not be wrong per se, but it definitely comes across as unprofessional. The other guy on the radio was handling it calmly and coolly, there's no reason the complain couldn't have waiting until they had already gone around and parked. I get it. He was aggravated. But venting over the air like that is just a bit petulant.

[@hewhohasnoidentity4377]

@@CyanPhoenix_ the Cessna was given instructions and those instructions were followed. The pipeline pilot was not given a series of options to choose from. They were given specific instructions. They did what they were told. I'll say none of the pilots did anything wrong but you are the asshole for trying to put the blame on the Cessna when they literally did what they were told to do.

[@timothywright2624]

I love that you chose to break down the ATC audio at AFW! I fly out of alliance for a company that does the training and checkrides on the FAA’s aviation safety inspectors. The guy that said “come on man” was one of my coworkers and had an ASI in the plane at that time 😂

[@davehall8584]

LOLOL! awesome! ..happy safe flying!

[@ReviewsChannel-e4r]

Timothy: C'mon man is a well known Biden retort. So he was paraphrasing your friend? lol

[@aimeewank7859]

Haha, I FELT THAT “come on, man” in my bones. 🦴 😂Granted, I work in the service industry, but people can try your patience in any job, I liked how he stuck up for Tower. I get the feeling they take a lot of abuse from certain type of pilot, those few rotten apples. ✌🏽😂

[@enigmawyoming5201]

947K subscribers!! Seems like only a couple of months ago you hit the big 747. Great job Kelsey!!

[@pattyhaley9594]

I noticed that too. Not surprising at all to me.

[@Ice_Karma]

950K subscribers just six days later. At this rate, not quite 17 days!

[@me4698]

Just keep spreading the word. This is a great channel.

[@cap1130]

@@Ice_Karma 958k 2 weeks later. Wow

[@Ice_Karma]

@@cap1130 Yeah, the rate of new subscriptions dropped off.

[@ABQSentinel]

In a Cessna 172, I would be really reluctant to fly underneath the track of a commercial jet for fear of the descending wake turbulence.

[@CrossWindsPat]

This... Cant believe Kelsey went so easy on him. Also if he would have went north he could get a great view of the 737's landing, which is always awesome. But no he had to stick to his pipeline route and cause a shit ton of fuel to be burned and put a ton of stress on the pilots for NOTHING.

[@raylopez99]

It was a heavier Cessna Stationair not a Cessna 172, for what it's worth.

[@CrossWindsPat]

@@raylopez99 Not to be pedantic but I dont think its worth much when we are comparing a few hundred pounds to an aircraft that is measured in tons lol.

[@ABQSentinel]

@@raylopez99 Well, that provides some additional stability and power, but encountering the wake of a 737 would still be a bad day for a small SEP plane.

[@daveandrew589]

Midway airport originally opened in 1927, to serve biplanes. Hence the restricted geography. Airports of that era were often laid out in large squares (like Midway) so that pilots could take off or land directly into the wind. The runways came later. No one would ever site an airport in such a restricted setting in the modern age.

[@wessexdruid7598]

Interesting. In the UK, airstrips of that era are laid out in triangles, with a longest runway aligned with the prevailing wind. But with the triangle, you can always be at least partly heading into wind, whatever it's direction.

[@VeraTR909]

I'm imagining all kinds of geometric runway layouts now, a pentagram would be pretty metal :P

[@TimPerfetto]

Eating hair isn't always fun but yeah usually. A runway clogged with hair would be fun unless there was mud or rebar mixed in

[@VeraTR909]

Hate it when planes shave on the runway.

[@tlgibson97]

​@@wessexdruid7598 there are many in the US laid out like that too. Usually you can tell and old military airport by that configuration. In many cases some of those extra runways have been closed but you can still see remnants of them.

[@leeleegirl8612]

Thanks for the clear explanation. I am not a pilot but a potter in rural Canada. I enjoy learning about other work worlds. Thanks Kelsey!

[@anthonyC214]

I used to fly into/out of Midway all the time but that was 40 years ago when they permitted the gas stations to have giant tall poles advertising their gas stations. I often wondered how many poles were hit.

[@papalaz4444244]

How many gas stations were there in the path of an active runway, with giant poles that were potentially dangerous?

[@anthonyC214]

@@papalaz4444244 I know a few were taken down by planes eventually the City of Bedford Park,where Midway is located , had the stations take them completely down

[@John-dd3gz]

Yeah ..RIGHT!! 🤧 IF they were THAT tall would be LAW sign have strobe! OR NOT PERMITTED TO BE IN THAT AREA!! BS!!

[@raylopez99]

@@John-dd3gz OK what about an advertising blimp tethered to the ground like those WWII barrage balloons?

[@wilburwright3777]

An airliner did hit the gas station sign at 55th central long time ago in 1955 a Braniff flight

[@haveagoodday9455]

I would like to thank you for your videos. I am a passenger I am not a professional aviator. And having a better understanding of what you have to go through helps me be a better Is passenger. I found myself starting to be afraid to fly so I wanted to start watching videos to learn more about aviation and what you have to go through. Thank you for your professionalism and thank you all for your dedication to aviation.

[@ArchGBUStanton]

My hardest landing as a passenger was on Delta landing at Midway. I remember the buildings are so close to the runaway that we could see occupants of the apartments. We landing really, really rough and then the stewardess came on and said, "In case you haven't guessed, we've landed in Chicago" as everyone laughed. Then shortly after the pilot came on and apologized and said, "Umm yes, sorry folks, that was my hardest landing ever" and welcomed us to Chicago.

[@michaelhart7569]

I'm not a frequent flyer but have occasionally enjoyed the dry humour of the cabin crew. The first time was when the choice of two meals was being announced, chicken or beef. " We cannot guarantee your first choice but we can guarantee your second choice". Many passengers chuckled.

[@shadowbeast2276]

That's crazy. I believe it. But it's crazy

[@papalaz4444244]

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[@michaelhart7569]

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[@mediocreman2]

Had a crab landing there during weather and it was a hard one too. Helps to know why now.

[@arthurpewtey]

This stuff is really interesting, even for people with absolutely no pilot experience whatsoever. Thank you.

[@kcpilot63]

Hi Kelsey, I really enjoy your channel and the content you provide.

[@Anna_Xor]

​@@Wolfwent79 Yes, just report them for spam!

[@BigBand1942]

Does anyone KNOW if he did a Video on the ground crew guy (in Seattle) who stole a Plane and committed suicide? Thanks in advance for any input..... Keep safety first in flight!

[@lasercass]

Funny that as I was watching the video, youtube crashed and I went looking at linkedin waiting for my tv to restart, and first thing I saw was this article about a company doing exactly the pipeline monitoring using new cool hyperspectral cameras, allowing the pilot to "just" fly the plane. How cool is that.

[@PasleyAviationPhotography]

Kelsey calling a SW 737 purple gives me "is that dress blue or black" PTSD vibes

[@Anna_Xor]

Funny because when I see the SW planes flying overhead they look purple to me.

[@louissanderson719]

They look blue to me 😂

[@Anna_Xor]

I can't remember where I saw it but I there was a video that mentioned the perception of color and relation to speed. Something about the color red and blue but I can't find the source & for the record it has nothing, *nothing whatsoever* to do with me being distracted by a certain someone's hot workout montage. Nopety nope!

[@elizabethturel78]

In the Midway situation; ATC was totally at fault. Pipeline traffic should have been 360ed. A loaded airliner having to worry about light aircraft crossing a short runway, is insane. The second situation with the arrogant, bratty pilot in the light aircraft was insane too! Thanks Kelsey for your overview.👍🏻

[@michaelmakau6833]

Great one Kelsey! Very important lessons on landing shared on this upload! Much appreciated as always.

[@jmagner]

I ALWAYS learn something from your vids. I love that, even though you fly the vaunted 747, you always have some bit of advice or help for us GA pilots. For example, even though I have my instrument rating, none of my instructors ever really taught me how to respond to ATC when they ask questions. Sure, I know to check in with my location, altitude and heading; and how to read back clearances, but what DO you say when they ask if you have traffic in sight and you don't, but have it on your "fish finder" and are tracking it? I was, until today, one of those clumsy radio gobs who keyed the mike and started blabbering, "Uhhhh... I don't see him, but...uh... I have him on TCAS... I'll keep an eye out... Uh, do you want me to turn?" From now on, I know that I should just call back: "Looking, Cessna 1234AB."

[@markmcgoveran6811]

One of the best things about you Kelsey is you understand the air traffic controller has different information than you have. Too many people have giant egos and they get to be in charge of something and the rest of the world needs to obey them. I'm learning to fly a paraglider and one of the people from my school went to an invitational paragliding flying contest. The contest announced that everybody had to land because the weather was coming through. One paraglider pilot decided not to land he crashed and died laid there for several hours while they were looking for him nobody could find him. I'm absolutely certain that the top meteorologist in the world can't predict the weather better sitting in the seat on a paraglider than a high school kid that likes science sitting at the desk with the weather computer connected to the weather service and set up to monitor this area for conditions dangerous for a paraglider.

[@islandlife756]

Well said. It's like this with policing too. Sometimes people go into that career because they want to be in charge of other people, and that personality type then leads to disaster, usually for the other people. I think it would be a good aspirational goal for society to find better ways of identifying such people before they end up in such roles. And to ID and fire them if it becomes apparent on the job, too.

[@markmcgoveran6811]

@@islandlife756 yeah I hope to God people like you never get to do that to us. I hope people like you never get to brand us with a prediction. That's how they do it in India if you're born a dog eater you'll be a dog eater all your life you'll be treated like a dog eater and you won't ever be in a position of anything because you're a dog eater. They identify him before they even get any chance at anything. I like to give everybody a try and then if they aren't doing the job fire them.

[@islandlife756]

@@markmcgoveran6811 Pilots and ATC can only enter the job after vetting. That's what I'm referring to. You seem to have misunderstood. *shrug*

[@gnarthdarkanen7464]

@@markmcgoveran6811 If you only ever apply to a job like a police officer so you can threaten and bully other people with impunity, you NEED to be sent away. There's a time to be stern and a time to draw-down and shoot... AND 90% or more of the time, it's ALL about de-escalating the situation instead of trying to stir up trouble for the excuse... If you're precious little ego can't handle it, stay home and lock yourself indoors. You are just one little person in a world of 7 or 8 BILLION who have very different ideals, dreams, and aspirations from you. Many of them are just passionate about their work, and YOU can take that as aggressive but you'll be entirely incorrect. I hope you eventually manage to get your head out of your ass. When a police officer or pilot "proves he can't do the job" you get a MASS CASUALTY EVENT. I call Mass Casualties UNACCEPTABLE as far as "job application" is concerned... AND YOUR "system" for hiring and firing will ONLY EVER create more of them. Congrat's... I guess. ;o)

[@markmcgoveran6811]

@@gnarthdarkanen7464 well your discourse proves my point. A long time ago we didn't let just everybody go to college. We had people who were black and we didn't let them go to college. The seats were very economical for the favorites who happen to be white to go to college and get into college educated job and make a lot more money than anybody else. At the time it was thought we could predict who would be good at something and who would not. I am a big fan of testing before we let people have these jobs. You are just a sad old bigot.

[@jukkaruoti6243]

Yes, these are uncomfortable things to happen. Few years ago, I was approaching LAX 25L with a B777 and it was night time. ATC gave me same kind of advisory of some helicopter traffic crossing from south to north ahead and below me. And the helicopter pilot told us that he had us in sight. But it still made me quite uncomfortable having that TCAS giving me TA's, while I was desperately trying to make a visual contact with that helo. I had my finger already on TO/GA switches and I would have executed a go around in a heart beat, but then I finally saw the helicopter among all highway traffic and other lights on my left side, safe distance away. I made the landing, but it was not very comfortable. So I do feel for those Southwest pilots in your story. Great stuff Kelsey, keep on doing the good work!

[@undytermined]

I was based in Midway flying tours up to downtown and back, when the 22s are in use, we literally had to fly toward planes coming in on the approach. Never had to fly across the final for the 22s though. ATC at Midway are amazing though, they get planes out.

[@andyschwarm]

I lived this! Many years ago I was flying into Atlanta on a wide-body jet. I was sitting forward of the wing, port side. We were on final final, maybe 1000 feet up and I saw a single-engine plane slide in from the left right into our glide path. Nose came up, full power pull-out to go around. The Captain came on the PA right away, he said, "I'm sorry about that, some fool in a Cessna took our glide path and I assure you, I will clip that guy's ticket."

[@SauliBo1]

What does “clipping his ticket” mean

[@StillPooh62]

@@SauliBo1 getting his pilot’s license removed.

[@SauliBo1]

@@StillPooh62 oh thanks, should’ve guessed that

[@scarybaldguy]

@@StillPooh62 Which the ATP has no authority to do, BTW. He can file an ASRS report but he himself has no enforcement ability with FAA.

[@crazedmonk8u]

@@scarybaldguy yeah it's a badass thing to say in the moment, but that's not going to happen. best thing to happen is you file the report, the pilot gets knocked for mandatory re-training on the situation so it doesn't happen again.

[@grumpybear741]

Pipeline flying is much better flight time than you might think. We fly all day long below 1000agl and have to avoid antennas, birds, terrain and other aircraft while also observing the pipeline. I doubt many pilots that don't fly pipeline surveys would know how to perform 60 or 70 degree bank turns on a very regular basis. You get really good on the rudders!

[@BootyGoblinesque]

Hm, I can see how that might be helpful when it comes to stuff like aerial firefighting but I think maybe the point is the kind of flight experience you get from that isn't as helpful if your goal is to fly very large passenger/cargo planes. I'm not a pilot, I don't know, that's just the impression I got from what he's saying and it makes sense to me if it's true that pipeline pilots don't really fly and have to navigate in IFR conditions or at night etc.

[@robclarkson3697]

I get Kelsey's point but don't entirely agree with him. I have a friend that fly's for a major airline and has been flying for decades. His biggest complaint with this generation of pilots is they can't fly the plane. They are reliant on the computers. He said he will often request a change of runway from L to R so it's closer to the gate. The newer pilots have to start punching buttons instead of just moving over to the other run way and landing. He can't correct them because that's what the airline wants them to do. If shit hits the fan I would prefer a pilot that can fly the plane.

[@TheLumberJacked]

I agree, it’s a different kind of flying almost like a bush pilot in a perpetual approach. That’s I used to describe it. Pipeline pilots are stick and rudder guys through and through and it’s not easy. Ya the crank and banks are a blast.

[@ALSNewsNow]

Yep yank and bank

[@markw1123]

The Cessna is a high wing airplane. Keeping visual separation is only possible if the traffic is in front. Once the traffic goes off to the side its no longer visible if it's at a higher altitude.

[@TheWoodFly]

Happens all the time at SMF (Sacramento, CA). There are AG planes crop dusting below the final approach course. We see them, they see us, they fly under and we land. Communication and following the expectations are key.

[@IndianaDiecastRacing]

Key lesson of today: it helps no one to cop an attitude with ATC

[@richardchen3752]

Given the short runways at Midway, it sounds like the Southwest pilots made the right call. Every time I've landed there, the pilots have set thrust reversers to full as soon as the wheels hit the runway to stop in time.

[@DasPenguin85]

ATC should've told that pipeline pilot to hold in place until the 737 landed instead of letting that pilot cross the approach path.

[@shadowbeast2276]

That was my thought also There was no reason why the pipeline pilot couldn't wait a couple of extra minutes

[@jamesminton3358]

He did "Stay north of the 737" the pipeline did. It was just still too close for the tcas

[@shadowbeast2276]

@@jamesminton3358 I can see it both ways. On 1 hand they could have told the pipeline pilot to wait. But the pilot did do as instructed. But it it was kind of close for comfort.

[@ProfPoindexter1968]

I've been the low time Cessna pilot on short final, looking at a huge airliner filling my rearview mirror. Scary! I was SO grateful for a controller who advised me to make a short turn-off, even though it was hard to do.

[@thedevilinthecircuit1414]

Kelsey, your videos and analyses are So Dang Instructive! They should be included in formal pilot training classes. Thank you, Captain.

[@CharlieOkeson]

I've been thinking exactly that. He'd be an excellent instructor. He explains things from all angles. 👍

[@gelatinous6915]

He's an FO, but he needs a promotion if you ask me :P

[@carlcarlson7654]

You could end up in someone's living room if you don't get down quick at midway. It's definitely compact.

[@nealshankman836]

Or you end up on 55th and Central Ave on top of a minivan, which sadly happened a few years back.

[@ValidityJ]

I flew into Midway just 2 weeks ago. Couldn't believe the pilot. BEAUTIFUL landing! I mean any landing where we're not crashing or you can walk away from is a great landing, but this landing at Midway was like buttah. I was very impressed.

[@xKmotx]

I used to work at Performance Aircraft ( Mooney dealer )at VNY as an A&P. On my lunch break I would grab a chair and sit outside the hangar doors and watch the planes come in. Performance Aircraft's hangar was right at the end of the runway so the spectating was great. One day after an ANG C-130 landed, a Cessna Mixmaster was coming in to land and I was watching him. At about 100' or so above ground and just crossing over the fence, it suddenly snapped inverted! My heart jumped into my throat because I thought I was about to witness a crash and a death. But thankfully the pilot had great presence of mind. He pushed forward on the yoke (I presume) and pitched the nose up. Then he rolled the aircraft back upright and landed long. Whew! So from then on, when an ATC said "watch for wake turbulence" you better believe it!

[@patheddles4004]

That's terrifying, for sure. Serious respect for that pilot.

[@jjohnston94]

I'm really surprised ATC would even allow the potential for paths to cross like that, and that they didn't tell the Pipeline pilot explicitly to parallel the 737's path (fly heading 058°) and go north of that point on the chart where the heading changes from 270° to 238°. In fact, it looks like there are a couple of nice towers right there with top elevations of 1038' and 1095' ATC could have told them to stay north of.

[@chrisschack9716]

Assuming the pilot's left seat and is looking at the pipeline from there, that might not work out so well ... a left 360 might have worked out better

[@stubblekusaf]

for sure. they caused all the issues.

[@papalaz4444244]

this

[@papalaz4444244]

she sounded like she couldn't care less after the 737 was forced to go around

[@blairkinsman3477]

The pipeline pilot told ATC they would pass directly under the 737 .. problem as Kelsey said is that u can’t see someone who’s there, and once TCAS alerts there’s no option .. if I’m ATC I would have vectored the Cessna

[@ginnyjollykidd]

Traffic control is fascinating to me! And I like listening to your commentary. I understand that landing an aircraft is the most difficult part of flying. I like seeing how the controller keeps everything on an even keel.

[@PghGameFix]

I don't know why the 172 would want to be anywhere close to the bigger jet. When I had 20 hr's under my belt... I was flying out of Chino, and I flew under a large jet going into Ontario. It was UGLY and I was flipped over twice before getting back on path. I was honestly lucky to live to tell the story. This was in '92, and I was training in a 152, and was at night.. so we didn't have anything in the plane to give me a warning like we do now. (ADS-b)

[@CrossWindsPat]

Flipped over... Like actually inverted twice?!?!

[@PghGameFix]

@@CrossWindsPat Yep. It was scary as a student pilot. I was over my practice aria, and the jet wasn't much above me.

[@19581998]

And this is why we don’t have flying cars

[@Jay1971lion]

Could you image? I guess you did.

[@11_Laurent]

Don't worry guys, the 737 was obviously just teaching its baby how to fly.

[@robertrichter3033]

Years ago (probably about 2000) I was at St George, Utah and watched a small single engine plane take off and fly directly under a SkyWest plane coming in the opposite direction for landing. Scared me to death watching it, but I had no radio and no idea if they knew about each other and maintained visual separation.

[@subarachnoidalblutung7409]

Very glad I found this channel. My Dad's a big fan of aviation and I never quite understood why, but now I can see that it really is a very interesting topic. Thank you for showing us how things at the airport and in the planes work, Kelsey.

[@sodbuster1677]

Sully was born with 3000 hours of jet time in his logbook

[@copperstaterocketguy1640]

That guy has an angel in his pocket too!... I hope I get to meet him someday

[@dennischiapello7243]

All that, and he seems to be out of central casting, to boot!

[@MorphMixologyReptiles]

The failure here is allowing the pipeline to pass below an aircraft on and instrument approach. If Southwest was on a visual, it wouldn’t have been as big a deal, but I keep my pipeline guys adjacent to final until final traffic passes. So I hang this on my fellow controller.

[@blkwlf]

Agreed, very easily could have spun the pipeline, especially a fixed wing pipeline as opposed to a rotary wing pipe when they can just stop and hold or go lower

[@jamesminton3358]

He didn't allow the pipeline to cross paths. He litterally said stay to the north. Which the pilot did

[@rosscondy]

@@jamesminton3358 how did he stay to the north? He literally flew right under the approach path of the SW? He said he was visual with the 737. Hasn't a clue what it's like to be inside a commercial flight deck!

[@Dagrond]

I love your insight and your fairness

[@victoriahope8371]

Mr. Kelsey. Can you please look into becoming a flight instructor? I feel your personality and knowledge of flying would help a lot of people with learning how to fly and getting their pilot license. It's next to impossible to find individuals who excel at educating as well as doing. Stay safe Kelsey. Much love. 💯💖

[@duekansickalsiawsoxksiay1940]

He'd make way less money

[@winggs88]

As a retired atc i worked pipeline aircraft weekly. Easiest way to keep control of the situation was always to tell the pipeline to remain east or west of the final. Seem to work every time. Southwest seemed to think he owned the sky because its a big hub.

[@elinoreberkley8221]

As a F-16 pilot I think any landing you walk away from is a good one.

[@ClearedAsFiled]

Hey, THANK YOU for your service !!!!!!

[@timothyprentice5944]

I thoroughly enjoy your videos. I love aviation although I seldom get to Fly. Your videos help fill my desire to fly. Thank you for your time and effort putting together your excellent videos!

[@karlsteingold8044]

hey Kelsey, what happened to your amazing intro? dont let it drop!

[@jcflindsay]

This is why I never tried to fly. I can't understand the garbled radio transmissions and I don't want to die from severe blunt force trauma.

[@lesliesmith719]

And the speed of delivery is nuts.

[@Jesus_equals_LOVEnForgviness]

This video totally explained something to me; the hardest landing I've ever experienced was on a southwest 737 landing at midway. I mean by far the hardest landing and fastest stop I've experienced. Now I know why.

[@TheSjuris]

SWA is one of the few American Airlines to manage to get into a traffic accident with a car on a road.

[@ThorOdinson-s8m]

Funny thing is quite a few of them are retired navy fighter pilots. They’re used to hard short landings.

[@Jesus_equals_LOVEnForgviness]

@@ThorOdinson-s8m That explains a lot too

[@heather8307]

I think I must have been on that same flight or maybe it's just Midway 😂

[@mkennedy0]

This made me think about a flight I was doing in my Cessna a few weeks ago in our local practice area which happens to be very close to a Charlie airports northern approach corridor. I was at 1500’ and monitoring approach, my position was reported to an incoming 737 and the controller asked them if my altitude would be ok for them…I thought it was weird at the time but it makes total sense now!

[@rbell7666]

Many airlines have rules that they have to follow what TCAS says, even if there is no possible conflict. Some airline pilots are pissyboys about it and blame you, but they are pissy about everything.

[@seraphina985]

@@rbell7666 It's also a legal requirement in order to prevent situations like that mid air collision that happened where one of the aircraft ignored TCAS and followed the controller instead.

[@patheddles4004]

@@rbell7666 I honestly can't wrap my mind around ignoring a TCAS instruction, unless following the instruction would clearly be more dangerous.

[@your_royal_highness]

In the late 1980’s I got my license and flew out of Midway (this was before MDW became a real commercial hub again, as it was in the 1930’s to 1970 or so). I came in on a right base to a parallel runway from a commercial jet. That plane was on a final from a left base. It was perfectly safe, but a little weird as the two runways are pretty close to each other. MDW is a strange place, that is for sure. Amazing there have been so few incidents with all that commercial traffic.

[@hsbvt]

I've seen a new Cessna pilot fly in front of an A320 on final and the 320 pilot banked hard left and let the other pilot have it. It's not repeatable here. lol. Needless to say the Cessna pilot lands had NO idea what is going on, the controller was coaching him to the taxiway. The 320 pilot lands and yells, "GiVe HiM a NUMBER tO CaLL!!!" Yeah...Mr. Cessna's day turned crappy after that. Have a great week everyone!

[@CrossWindsPat]

Why you gotta SaY iT LiKE thIS? To me that implies the a320 pilot was in the wrong and being stupid.

[@d.fenech]

Some weeks ago in Beauvais we were cleared to descend 2000', and on present heading cleared for the ILS. At about 2600' ATC advised us that there is an ultralight to our 11 o'clock not in contact with them. We were already monitoring him on the TCAS (assuming it was a known traffic to ATC), and then immediately made visual contact. He was coming straight towards us, we levelled off at 2000', and did not arm APP so we do not descend further if we intercept the G/S. He passed right below us at 500ft, with a shallow climb, triggering first the TCAS TA, and then the "monitor vertical speed" RA. We were just able to capture the LOC as soon as we were clear of conflict. We were lucky that the RA did not give us an immediate command, which would have given us a go-around in an approach with challenging conditions - "wasting" one go around for something that could have easily been avoided, instead of having a "spare" go-around availability at hand if needed due to the weather (in terms of fuel/weather progression with time) is quite frustrating, not to mention how dangerous a TCAS RA situation could potentially be.

[@arkansasboy45]

Can't help but binge watch these videos. Thanks Kelsey!

[@jga9951]

Hi Kelsey - why did you stop categorising videos and mentioning the categories in the title? Like Viral Debrief or Pilots vs ACT, etc??

[@gcorriveau6864]

In Scenario 2 - The Cessna pilot provides a textbook example of how NOT to pilot. sheesh... I'm all for friendly and cooperative negotiating - when conditions permit. There is also a time to comply (safely) and keep quiet. If need be, pilots can also phone the tower later to discuss details. Thanks for covering topics like this, Kelsey.

[@rbell7666]

"Cessna seven golf alpha, can you maintain 100 Kts to the fence?" "Not if I ever want to land, 7GA". "7GA minimum time on the runway". Wind 190 at 26 RWY 19 at LAS. I landed on the numbers and stopped on the numbers (40 flaps). "Tower, how's that?" "7GA off at the high speed, ground point 7. Smart ass." LC then double clicked.

[@Biggles2498]

I cannot understand for the life of me the Dizzy Female in the Cessna 172 intended to fly underneath the 737's Glidepath in the first place. I only have 250 Hours as a PPL MULTI and I would have informed ATC that I was going to do a 180 anti-clockwise and wait for the Conflict to dissipate. I commend the 737 Captain or Co-Pilot to decide to go around. Cessna 172 Pilot you are a naughty Girl and SHOULD you do another GFT on common sense.

[@melvincibi8219]

Kelsey watching you videos finally convinced me to put my life on pause and become an airline pilot I do my first solo today thank you so much

[@j_taylor]

That's exciting! I hope you enjoyed your solo!

[@AceMon2005]

This is one of those rare instances where an incident occurred even though both pilots did nothing wrong.

[@redboyjan]

Yeah ATC were dumb

[@kevinrusch3627]

That's a question I have - Kelsey's take at 14:30 is "this is a learning experience for the pipeline pilot." Is that to imply that she was in the wrong but forgivably so? Also, didn't the SW jet say they did have visual on the Cessna? I mean, if the issue is that ATC and Cessna were conforming to one standard (maintain visual separation) and the SW jet was conforming to another (do what TCAS tells you), then it sounds like the ATC procedures would benefit from a change.

[@daveroche6522]

Agreed Lee. Remember - Russian pilots (and others?) have been trained to ALWAYS follow Controller instructions, rather than TCAS advisories etc., which has led to certain 'events'. Insofar as I'm aware, that's been changed - not 100% sure though.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@kevinrusch3627 she did nothing wrong. However, she learns because now she knows that a TCAS might get triggered because of how close she is. So next time, even though it’s safe and legal, she will probably leave a bit more space. In 1994, I had a similar experience. I flew traffic reporters over the highways in Buffalo, NY. I would cross the departure end. It was easy for me to pick up traffic, since they started on the runway and I could visually track them. I found out what was comfortable for me and safe and legal, was sometimes a bit uncomfortable for a jet right after their take off. I kept a bit more distance after a few mentioned their displeasure on frequency.

[@Publikwerks]

Did an incident occurre though? No accident and everything stayed safe, yeah the airline pilot is annoyed, but then again, it's the airline pilot's systems that caused the aborted landing. T

[@WOTArtyNoobs]

"No we're not, Put this on the books. We're going around because of them" I'm throwing my toys out of the pram and I'm going to scream and scream and scream until my face turns blue!

[@collateralpigeon2151]

Alliance can be a tricky airport for small aircraft. It's a maintenance hub for American airlines and a distribution hub for FedEx and Amazon. The runways are very long and traffic can range from very light to very congested depending on the day and time. The controllers there have always been good to smaller aircraft when I was flying in there. Despite the sometimes heavy schedule of large aircraft. It is very easy to land long in a light aircraft. The runways are super wide and being in Texas you almost always have pretty good thermals right above them. If I could choose a large airport to learn to fly around larger traffic it would be Alliance.

[@richgross144]

It should not have been the responsibility of the pipeline pilot to know how far north to stay. ATC should have issued a vector LONG before his call to "remain north".

[@michaelrussell5346]

About 3 years ago I was in a 737 on final to LAX from the east. I had a window seat abeam the right engine. Approxamitly 50 or 60 seconds from touchdown .as we were crossing a busy highway, I saw an object flash past beneath the engine . It was a symetrically shaped object and appeared to have 4 corners and was about 4 to 5 ft square. The speed at which we passed over it made me think that it was a hovering drone. My view of it was very momentary but long enough to remember its shape. I have a modest amount of flying experience and I am confident that what I had seen was real. On departing the aircraft I had a chat to the captain and gave him my account. He said that he would see if the airport radar had spotted anything. I always enjoy your site. Cheers from Downunder 👍🇦🇺🇺🇸

[@lscales6131]

I’m not a pilot will never be a pilot but damn if I’m not going to keep watching your vids.

[@jamestharp7880]

1978 I was landing a C172 three miles in trail to a DC8 heavy 27R ORD. One minute I was straight and descending five miles out. The next second I was inverted. It was like the hand of God grabbed the airplane and turned it over. Luckily I had had aerobatic training. Rather than pull back, I pushed forward and turned with the roll. After the landing my passenger in the right seat who was a pilot got out and kissed the ground. As he tried to light a cigarette, with trembling hands he asked, “ Jim, do you always do snap rolls on final to O’Hare?

[@ClearedAsFiled]

Awesome experience !!!!!!

[@116BW]

If I was a passenger on the 737, I would be very thankful that the pilot did not accept cutting corners.

[@suspense_comix3237]

This is how I'd imagine the world when the world spins faster and days turn into seconds.

[@ilovevegimite]

Love you to do these videos with another collaboration with Mentour Pilot if you got the chance to meet up again. Be fun seeing the discussions between you two. Great videos, keep up the good work!

[@abdulryklief119]

And throw in Captain Joe , Dutch pilot and emilie pilot, that would be awesome

[@AmazonAllie73]

My 2 fav pilots!!!

[@zed9zed]

Your insights into what each party may be thinking are very informative. It's easy to identify with one party and think the others are wrong, but given both perspectives it makes more sense (even if one party is not happy).

[@mikeadams2677]

Your job a pilot has some similarities with my job as a truck driver. Our larger vehicles have so many blind spots and limits that the ones in the smaller vehicles don't comprehend.

[@74gear]

they are very similar but I think truckers honestly have a harder job cause we have 2 drivers and we don't have small planes flying around us like idiots like you have with cars

[@ClearedAsFiled]

Kelsey.... Thank you SO MUCH FOR all the hard work you have done to post these videos 👌.... I look forward to them each week and during the week I revisit your video library 👀

[@daveroche6522]

So true. Yet there are STILL certain braindead bumfluffs who still don't/won't believe Kelsey's an actual pilot (B747 for Chrisakes)! Go figure.

[@HannahRoot55]

Uncle Martin 😒

[@mikebarushok5361]

Used to see all manner of nonsense when I worked at Cessna and at LearJet. Wichita Mid-continent could be very busy with production flight test, experimental prototypes, flying lessons and airlines all in the mix. Once was in a Cessna 310 and the cabin door popped out to the safety latch on takeoff. (My bad, I was in the right seat). So we circled around and took the first turnoff after landing with a LearJet coming in fast behind us. ATC kept both planes well informed (and asked the LearJet to do some S turns even). Pretty sure there wasn't 30 seconds of separation, but it was OK because two very experienced pilots that ATC knew were flying production test flights. ( And probably the pilots knew each other, and trusted each other completely).

[@RPSchonherr]

I know how hard it is to see traffic lower than you. At KSFB the controller told me to follow another plane in and report when in sight. Never happened. I didn't see the other plane until it was on the runway, it blended in with all the houses and businesses around the airport.

[@HannahRoot55]

Where ya from ??😒

[@scottsoper]

I like a lot more than 1000 foot separation from big monster aircraft when in a little put put, particularly if that space is getting smaller!! I would not like landing on 16R at the same time as a heavy is landing on 16L or right after. Depending on airport and traffic I would of said "going around" or done as the controller said and circle which is almost the same thing in this case. However I would have in this case just got down on 16L and off the runway ASAP as the controller first asked.

[@richbradbury]

What a lot of people also might not understand is pipeline is a federally mandated inspection, so this girl was doing a required job. When you mentioned experience, you can tell the pipeline girl is experienced “calm, cool, collected and professional” at all times. It’s only the airline captain that makes a big deal out of it, and my guess is he could have continued with zero risk. This is why at no time did the very busy experience tower controller or pipeline pilot freak. Airline captain, “no let’s put this one on the books and go around” - what an arrogant guy, too big a chest for his shirt. I’ve been in this same scenario at Class B, C and D airspace near weekly - it’s just part of the job!

[@casperbetz1949]

You are getting TCAS warnings "near weekly"? Scary.

[@johnroerich4531]

I would never fly under another descending aircraft. And she did not stay north as instructed.

[@scarybaldguy]

Southwest was absolutely correct in not continuing their now-destabilized approach, but that Captain (I'm also assuming) is a needlessly a class-1 dick about it. He's supposed to be a professional - so keep it professional. And that FO (presumably) sounds like he's had a very long day and is just like "Whatever, I just wanna catch a nap."

[@dstarling61]

Midway is where you can tell if your pilot was a Naval Aviator.

[@dondash8921]

Ego vs confidence. Good video Kelsey.

[@billcuddyer7015]

I once had a 727 fly under me and land while I was on a one mile final as cleared by atc. Burbank CA KBUR. As an aside, this was my second solo and I had not been taught how to go around with the flaps down. Lucky landed long and had only light wake turbulence.

[@sslider02]

I think SW pilot was upset because he has 150 or 180 passengers who might miss their connections due to this 172 messing up their day. But fault should be with the controller, because they know a lot more than this 172 pilot.

[@GasCityGuy]

I work in a transportation office that coordinates 165 truck drivers. I recognized that grumpy, ‘Forgotten where I came from’ tone instantly.

[@Oblithian]

Just follow the instructions of the tower. It's like anything else, sometimes there's going to be traffic, sometimes there's going to be construction, and sometimes roads have stupid speed limits.

[@lisarehagen4201]

I really appreciate your videos, Kelsey. I'm preparing to earn my PPL and find these ATC v. pilots vids to be insightful. Thank you!

[@stevenwhitcomb9668]

Probably one of your best videos of recent.

[@kevinmacdowell5420]

Loved the video. I was wondering...I'm originally from San Diego (although now retired in Dallas). I would like to get your take on the crash of PSA 182 on September 25, 1978. A horrific story and I understand it prompted some big changes in the airline industry. Thanks for doing a great job!

[@lisarehagen4201]

Yes, I couldn't help but think of PSA 182 after watching this video - a Cessna 172 under a B727. Of course, this occured in the days before TCAS. I think the Southwest pilots were right to be irritated in this particular instance.

[@upgrayedd9732]

@@lisarehagen4201 The difference is that PSA never saw the 172, and they were looking for him but they just couldn't find him as they were above and slightly behind him and the smaller plane would be difficult to spot. In this case both airplanes saw each other and maintained visual seperation, but the computer chimed in that it felt uncomfortable. TCAS is a great system but it errs on the side of caution and airline and maybe FAA rules mandate that RA's be followed - even in the case of positive visual seperation in VFR.

[@lisarehagen4201]

@@upgrayedd9732 You are correct. I had forgotten that PSA never saw 172. I had to go back and read the details of that accident after reading your comment. Thank you for that reminder.

[@MrMinusTwo]

I love these videos. So professional and informative.

[@Lad11971]

Im not a pilot. ive always wanted to be one. This channel is so informative and so forthcoming about what its like to be a pilot and its encouraged me to get my pilots lisence in the next couple years. im 19 btw :)

[@TerryMundy]

Good luck and cheers that you made that decision! You won't regret it. Have fun!!!

[@nisawallace5903]

David Stewart...Good luck and keep the blue side up.

[@ryan1111111555555555]

@@nisawallace5903 ...unless you're over water

[@nisawallace5903]

@@ryan1111111555555555 Water is clear and only reflects the blue of the sky...but you know that!

[@ryan1111111555555555]

@@nisawallace5903 The sky is clear but it refracts blue light which makes it look blue.

[@tasercs]

I'm having a chuckle at the unbelievably miserable SouthWest pilot - and I mean even before the incident. And as for the 'backchat' from the Cessna, there was no respect for the ATC guy there whatsoever. I have monitored airband comms all over the UK for over 30 years and have never heard anything like those 2 attitudes.

[@lesliesmith719]

If I was a passenger on that plane knowing the captain was needlessly questioning the controller because he was inconvenienced and had his ego bruised I would be furious. As a paying passenger just FLY the jet and pick your battles later. That was really terrible. Besides the captain was taking up the controller's time and jamming the airwaves.

[@widgeo]

I watched a Cessna 182 turn final way too soon behind a 767. The turbulence flipped the 182 onto its wingtip. The pilot recovered but I bet he had to change his shorts.

[@stephen3164]

If he flipped on his wingtip, he might have needed to change his shirt! 😮