PINBALL MACHINE Collecting - What you need to know to get started

[@MetalJesusRocks]

I'm glad so many viewers are enjoying something a little different this week. Also there is a funny outtake at the end of the video as a bonus.

[@ashir555]

+MetalJesusRocks Nice vid. Chuck was like "WTF dude?, what kind of question is that?" in the outtakes. :)

[@MitsuhashiTakashi]

You should do more types of arcade games like just anything that could be in an arcade other than pinball and video games

[@worldhello1234]

+MetalJesusRocks How about a Neo Geo MVS buying guide?

[@MrTripcore]

+MetalJesusRocks Try pinball arcade on ps3/4, they have real life tables to try before you buy.

[@mattb9664]

If your seriously considering a machine, try out Pinball Arcade first on one of your newer consoles. It will give you a rundown of all the popular machines and let you get an idea of the theme, rule sets, and difficulty you might be looking for. Doesn't compare to the real thing though.

[@BlaizeV]

I highly recommend anyone with an interest in pinball or just hobbies of a geeky nature in general to check out the documentary 'Special When Lit', it's a fascinating insight to where Pinball came from and the fandom and characters it created and how it survives in the modern day.

[@Prizm44]

Thanks for the heads up

[@spacegarnaal]

Its not a real good representation of the state of pinball today though. Its just a bunch of whiners who thought it would never come back. And look now, there's atleast 4 companies building pinball machines now

[@Prizm44]

Yeah I watched the documentary, it had a bit of a depressing tone and almost all the people interviewed were weirdos. Interesting though.

[@spacegarnaal]

There's actually a VHS documentary that has been uploaded recently. It goes up to the 90's era machines, and it shows you where every little feature we see today has had its origins Its called: History of pinball(special edition)

[@tmorelli1982]

@@spacegarnaal Stern 🤘

[@mykie242]

I hope this isn't your last video covering pinball, because this was awesome and Chuck is a heck of a guy!

[@PatChatGC]

Not into pinball but this was still really interesting to watch! It's always awesome to see passionate people talk about their passion; it just draws you into their world for a few minutes whether or not you care about the subject!

[@TheBananacoco12]

+TheJapanCode 100% agree in both regards

[@vice86]

same here, never really a pinball fan but interesting video to watch. I did used to play T2 pinball.

[@mpcjunkie72]

I took an expensive gamble - i listened to blogs, google and forums and made my decision based on that. I bought an Addams pinball for $4K over 10 years ago. I took it home and loved it. I still have it and we still enjoy it. It is worth more than what I spent.

[@XxBishop78]

Thats a great pin man

[@JohnRiggs]

Chuck!!! Love that dude. Fascinating video! I had a friend who preferred pinball over video games simply stating, "Video games control you but in Pinball, you're in control. The ball only goes where you tell it go to."

[@snooks5607]

cute remark although ultimately it's the game creator who's in control of the show. unless you mod, but then it's not really about playing the game anymore.. life is full of compromises.

[@MikeRota]

Love the newer STERN pinball games like Iron Maiden, Deadpool. I'd love to see you do more pinball videos.

[@platty9237]

My local bowling alley had medieval madness. I was never really into pinball, but that one was extremely fun. I played that one quite a bit.

[@jonathangeorge7815]

One of the greatest tables of all time!

[@VirtualRobotsRevolt]

Got my pinball Machine this weekend! Found out about a secret pinball swap meet in my area and got a Xenon pinball table fully working and delivered to my house for around 1200! I'm loving it! Thanks for putting this in my head first to get a pinball table.

[@spacegarnaal]

Good god. Xenon is such an awesome machine. And since you got it fully working and delivered, thats a very decent price. Got my rare DE Time Machine for only 700 dollars which is a bloody steal

[@paranormalzen]

Yes, please on the arcade machine collecting. Especially if you can cover where to get them and the repair and maintenance.

[@sohchx]

The best way to obtain pins, learn repair, and maintenance your best bet is to join one of the pinball forums or Facebook pinball groups. There you can find out anything and everything that you will ever need to know.

[@pbailed8007]

Zen Zero we most definitely want that!!

[@hernandezluisarturo]

Back in the 90's i used to play some pinball machines, but there were 3 machines that i liked the most, those machines were "Terminator 2", "Bride of Pin-Bot" and my favorite one "Tales of the Arabian Nights", i had a lot of fun with those machines, saludos desde México.

[@aidancavanaugh5834]

Arabian nights creeps me out the most. I don't know why it just does. Funhouse does too.

[@srnad88]

Rudy is watching---haha

[@snooks5607]

TOTAN is probably the pin I've fed most euros into, and it was a Mexican themed bar/restaurant that I usually played it at. cheers :)

[@foxmiller6772]

I got my 1970 Gottlieb Mini Cycle Pinball Machine And electromechanical it definitely was fun working on the Hands-On approach definitely makes it more fun.

[@Lilbroda]

I played Medieval Madness for years in a arcade saloon next to my old house... they closed doors back in 2006, the old guy who managed that place did retired and I still regret to this day for never had ask him if he would want to sell it for me... damm so good memories about that place, back in the 90s used to be a big and dark place filled all the greatest games at the time... now it is a freaking chinese shop. Everytime I passe down there I get depressed.

[@cybermarco]

Hi metal Jesus, I haven't made any comment before, but I love watching your video's for years now. I grew up in the 80's and still can feel the passion for the 2600 I had back in the day. I also love the sound, look and feel of classic arcade machines so please do a video about that. Your channel is great, I think you are an awesome guy and you also have wonderful guests on your show. My favorite video is '2600 games that don' t suck' and maybe you can also do a video about the Colecovision once. That thing blew my mind when it came out in the early 80's. I can still even remember the smell of the box when I got mine :-) I thank you for all the fun I have watching your video's!

[@mongul1894]

This was one of my favorite videos you've done recently. I didn't really grow up around arcades, but I always try to play pinball if I come across a machine. this video was a great little gaming history lesson.

[@GoodVideos4]

I'm in my mid-50's and grew up in the 1970's. That is with those electro-mechanical pinball machines, with the 'ting ting ting'. Some people prefer those to the later ones, because with those ones a player knew what to do, to play for. Wheras, with the later ones that isn't clear.

[@phillipmartinez2436]

Holy crap I'm literally about to purchase space shuttle, firepower, black out and 1 more machine. Either super sonic, f14 tomcat, or free fall. Then your video popped up showing 3 of the machines I'm purchasing.

[@kornsin]

As huge of a pinball fan as I am (42 years old so been playing them since I was 5) the repair/degradation aspect is what keeps me from getting my first table. I am beyond impressed at not only the collectors but those that can repair them.

[@Hilanderous]

Growing up in Chicago, pinball was always more prevalent than arcade machines with such companies as Bally, Williams, Midway, Stern, etc hailing from around there. As such, it's been my dream to one day own a machine or two. Thanks for the video, Metal Jesus and giving me this reference for the future. Retro gaming has many sources and outlets, but there isn't the same love for pinball out there. I'm always excited to see what you'll cover next on your show! Keep up the great work!

[@germantecahd3416]

Perfect, now I have to tell to my wife I want a pinball... Wish me luck.

[@ghostface6569]

Do you have your pinball now, 2 years later? :)

[@STARDRIVE]

@@ghostface6569 He didn't answer. I fear for the worst..

[@SlidTossedPissed]

@@STARDRIVE He's a gonner. Ive grown up with PINS. I had Gorgar, Party Animal, , Spring Break, 79 Playboy.. in my basement as a chld of about 10. If I want a Pin... Im not asking my wife. Im telling her. YO BABE... GORGAR.. S P E A K S !!!!

[@TheHeadlessHorseman]

@@STARDRIVE Either his wife saw how much pinballs are and he is now dead, or he is too busy playing pinball to get on youtube

[@uacmarine3378]

Good luck man !

[@boss_pedal]

It was great seeing Chuck's collection, I loved his passion and I feel like I learned a lot about pinball here. I've always felt a bit intimidated by their complexity, but I'll make more of an effort to try out some machines in future. I've seen him in a ton of other game collectors videos giving people good deals and generally being a good guy, so he's a great addition to the MJR family. Looking forward to seeing Chuck in more videos in the future.

[@ToxicJuiceb0x]

I've never really liked playing pinball, but I had such a blast playing the Elvira Scared Stiff machine. I believe it was shown in this video somewhere in the arcade shot. I would really love to buy that one, I would play it all day.

[@dogmd7]

Easily one of your best videos yet. Insightful and entertaining. Bring back Chuck sometime, dude definitely knows his stuff.

[@MetalJesusRocks]

+Legendary Chop Chop Thanks very much!

[@BOYD1981]

The Addam's Family machine is one of my favourites, along with Terminator 2 and Star Trek: TNG. They're just the ones I remember most from being a kid.

[@infesticon]

The twilight zone pinball machine is insane. The most patents of any pinball machine ever!!! It has a non metal ball. Magnetic flippers, a working clock on the play field, a freaking working gumball machine!!!

[@rickykeim2005]

I really liked this video. I saw and heard many pinball machines growing up but didn't play many of them. I always felt it was an opportunity lost. I really love the sound of those old electro mechanical machines. I would watch more pinball videos and Id love to see what kind of awesome arcade cabinets you can find.

[@strumdogg1]

"Special When Lit" is a great documentary about the history of Pinball, but it also highlights huge collectors from around the world. Very fun film!

[@MetalJesusRocks]

+Strum Dogg A great documentary! I've seen it as well.

[@TheSentinel3000]

I like the place that is with the stuff! Pinball machines are a blast but they are definitely a case of not "if" they will break and need work done but "when." Once you get to know how they work, it's actually a lot of fun to repair and restore them.

[@losalfajoresok]

Man, I was waiting for this for so long! Thanks a lot! I played a lot of those machines in my country (Argentina) and they are expensive like hell, so it's almost impossible to have one. I'm looking forward for the arcade collectors episode!

[@Uranusfog]

You've outdone yourself again MetalJesus! when I saw that Gorgar machine I giggled with envy lol. Thanks for the great video guys.

[@MetalJesusRocks]

+Uranusfog THANKS!

[@zeezlebops]

Dude I just helped my sister move her bf in and he has this machine! so random

[@emmanuelmckoy5899]

@@zeezlebops did you play the hell out of it like i would have?

[@zeezlebops]

​@@emmanuelmckoy5899 just a little lol

[@emmanuelmckoy5899]

@@zeezlebops a little? I bet you regret that 😅

[@MrMario2011]

Not interested in ever collecting or buying pinball machines but still checked it out, interesting as always :D

[@Guns7469]

Wow! I have not seen Space Shuttle in ages, very nice collection Chuck!

[@jerps93]

I love pinballs so much. I want to play the new Ghostbusters pinball. Really cool video man.

[@Stonerman023]

Excellent show MJR! I built my very own Virtual Pinball machine a couple of years ago. From a (partly) broken 40" TV gifted from a friend, a donated Core2Duo based computer, a regular LCD computer display (for the back) an old kitchen table, and some arcade buttons. It works really well for being bult from such a limited budget. Fun as hell. I´d still love to have a real machine one day, but I don´t have the space or the money for it.

[@aljr357]

I'm 41 and from Canada so we had pinball be very popular throughout the 80s and mid 90s it ended somewhat. They are still somewhat popular.

[@Happytylermovieproducction]

I like how Professional Metal Jesus was. Metal Jesus is certainly rock! And Space Cadet is the best thing Windows XP have to offer.

[@drivenbyfate]

I'm really thankful for his advice to not turn a game on that's been sitting for a long time. Been eyeing at repairing my parents KISS machine that's been in the garage for 30 years without being turned on...will definitely be testing components out first now.

[@guilhermeviolin]

Amazing video! The videos that cover more obscure sides of the gaming world are really the strong point of this channel. Great guest, with great knowledge and passionate about the subject.

[@rmick5173]

Got into it around 2010 after having not really played since early 90s. With the price, parts etc, it's same as getting involved with classic cars. Open them up, test all functions. Condition, availability of parts, and know the mechanics/electronics of them. As he said, old VWs, also a hobby of mine. Good hobby, just be ready for what you are getting in to.

[@RetroGamePlayers]

I have been collecting these for about 12 years and love them. It's true they are very fun to work on too.

[@JoeHusosky]

My BLACKOUT, man that brings me back I haven't been able to get it running for a long time, nice to see one again.

[@redcat608]

MetalJesus Rocks! You did it again--you won over my heart! Great video!!!

[@Spacemutiny]

Awesome job Metal Jesus! Thank you for making the effort to always bring us new and exciting content. I love playing pinball on my iPad. Sooooo tempted to get a machine myself.

[@skabcat242]

I never got into pinball but I do appreciate the designs and lights on these things.

[@digitek74]

Metal Jesus thank you for another interesting video, I have been schooled on how all pinball machines are not created equal, I had no idea they currently still make this amazing work of art. You do know how to keep your channel fresh!! oh an good luck on your quest on getting your own pinball machine I'm sure Rebecca will love a heavy metal theme machine ;)

[@Bobzillabob1]

This is a fantastic video. I'm a pinball fan. I've often thought many times about selling all the videogame stuff in pursuit of pinball. I'm a 90s era fan mostly and it might not be the best to purists but Theatre of Magic left me with so many fond memories and got me hooked. My dream machine if money was no object would be Monster Bash. Looking forward to the Northwest Pinball and Arcade Show next month.

[@byrondot]

One of my favourite pinballs is "Laser War". Lovely soundtrack, great sound, and very enjoyable machine!

[@fiskuffe]

This video was very well put together and enjoyable! High quality!

[@MetalJesusRocks]

+fiskuffe Thanks!

[@ninjasec]

I dont have the space, or the skills to fix one. I love seeing that there are people out there that do. I always enjoyed pinball as well.

[@samfrito]

Man oh man, brother and burger, pinball was my first passion as a kid. great job! to you and Chuck. I still get really excited by pinball machines and love playing. Nice! and I would love T2 pinball machine.

[@madeinuk68]

If I had the money,I would so collect these machines.I too have a great nostalgic value attached to them.

[@Puppet_Doctor]

Really interesting video. Loved seeing the old mechanical pinball machines and the ones from the 90s.

[@douglasquaid4518]

I played most of these machines when they were new, brings back good memories

[@Daehawk]

I still remember the fun i had in the 80s on F-14 Tomcat. The one with the 3 police lights on top..think red blue and yellow. The sights and sounds of that one with the thumper in it really stuck in my mind. I think I also did the best on it. To me the biggest tech to come to pinball is LED lighting. Its nice and bright and colorful. Makes anything before it seem dim and dingy to me.

[@Scott64a]

This is great; I used to own a Bally Medusa that didn't work for the first five years I had it, but one day I got myself together and got it sorted out. It was fantastic to have around until I sold it. I didn't want to, I HAD to. Sad.

[@goldeneyeadam]

Chuck your are just awesome!!! Your knowledge of pinball is amazing and I can feel the passion you have for pinball...Thank you so much for the informative interview and everything I need to know when buying a machine!! Just so great!! Thanks again

[@drew8235]

Would definitely love to see a video on arcade machines. As much as I enjoyed this video, pinball was never something that I spent much time playing. However, as a kid I did love arcade machines, and even to this day I'd still love to collect a few of the more meaningfull ones, and a video similar to this would be fantastic.

[@salazar4400]

You're the best MetalJesus! I didn't know you had this video

[@matejsteiner2211]

Great video. I too have a Terminator 2 pinball machine. Bought it for 700 € about 800-900 USD. Only I must change the DMD Display and some fuses and a little of paintwork also. Where i live (Slovenia) they are uncommon. Looking forward for the Arcade machines video. Metal Jesus you thruly Rock ;)

[@BitTripBeat]

finally some pinball love, I'm going to an event soon with 300 machines it's gonna be great!

[@necro_nemesis]

As a game developer I think you'd be very interested in going behind the scenes to explore how these games came together particularly when they went solid state offering greater complexity. There are designers and programmers that are revered to this day for their accomplishments in bringing these games to fruition. To fully appreciate these games there is a steep learning curve to become proficient enough at ball handling to start to examine the rules of the game and appreciate the many nuances and modes in the code. As pinball evolved it got faster, we saw multi-level playfields and much more complex rules even though they were working largely in assembly! It evolved to entertain the already proficient players of the day. We've lost much of that proficiency within the masses but if you have the patients to learn these skills I think you will find the lost entertainment treasures that are locked within these games.

[@PinBallReviewerRepairs]

Also for the repair stuff I recommend looking at the line cord before plugging the pin in. I had a line cord that some one had cut and then spliced it back together I changed it out before I even plugged that in to much of a fire hazard. It was on a EM pin. And also checking the fuses. I do not know how many times I have found over fusing from 10A, 15A, 20A and even a 30A fuse. The solid states generally only use 8A max. The EMs however do use 10A, 15A but never exceed 15A. The manuals and or schematics should tell you the amps a fuse needs to be. And the 250V is fine just needs to be right Amps. There is also Fast Blow and Slow Blow fuses you have to be mindful of. Again the manual for the game should have that info in it. And some times on Solid States the fuse stuff will be on or near the boards.

[@TomHaroldArt]

What an excellent video for noob pinball enthusiasts. I'm just getting into it, and this sort of overview of machine types and eras along with practical advice is incredibly helpful! Great work, thanks!

[@L1701]

I LOVE the Star Trek: TNG and Medieval Madness tables, and it was awesome they got shout outs in this video. They're great tables, and I love playing those tables on Pinball Arcade for my X-Box 360.

[@DementedDistraction]

I've been on the lookout for years for a decent Centaur II for sale...no luck yet, but the hunt continues.

[@BLTspace]

Awesome, I'm glad I was around just at the end of the arcade era. Great memories, good stuff MJ!

[@jexthegamer]

Long live pinball! I hope it comes to the forefront of arcade entertainment again sometime soon.

[@alfredogomezjr.2192]

You should check out the Pinball Museum in Banning, California. It opens up as Arcade Expo in January. I had fun this year and all those games are there.

[@rickpontificates3406]

I used to repair pinball circuitboards. I miss the golden age of pinball (Pin-Bot, High Speed, Black Knight). I used to have a Black Knight 2000 and I still own a Funhouse, which I still enjoy playing.

[@FatherxSnipes]

Space Shuttle was super fun! It was cool seeing all the awesome pinball machines at PRGE!

[@js92css]

Great shirt! RIP Lemmy I grew up on two machines. We own a restaurant and always had a machine for waiting customers. Eightball Deluxe was the game I started on and played for 8yrs or so. We unfortunately had to retire it as it was always breaking down after many years of hard playing. Adams Family was the 2nd game we got. I played the crap outta that thing! It was provided by a coin op business to be used in our restaurant. When we decided to return it, we were given the opportunity to buy it for $500 around 2007. We didn't buy it.....a decision I regret heavily......so sad

[@allhailthelegs]

Chuck seems very knowledgeable and articulate. Great video

[@rahilkiani]

Thanks guys. I used to like playing the Mary Shelley's Frankenstein one by Sega. It wasn't too hard so I didn't have to waste too many precious coins on it as a kid so that was always a bonus. The Adams family one was always fun also, I always found it in various places over the years.

[@clutchkman]

Cool video, I love pinball, and Chuck has an awesome collection! Maybe next time you could let Chuck guide you through how to play one of those awesome tables. I think your fans would enjoy that.

[@richardbain8746]

Your Channel Rocks Thanks For Showing Gorgar My Favorite Machine!

[@Jasonwfd]

This was a super interesting watch. And yes, doing one on arcade collecting would be great! Excellent stuff dude.

[@datonz]

My friend has a virtual pinball machine. The play-field is a big LCD TV. You can change between about 50 different play-fields.

[@derekfelska5683]

I should also mention that Firepower, Gorgar, Space Shuttle, Twilight Zone are all games that come on PS3 & PS4 Williams Arcade games. It is really interesting to play the games on PS3 or PS4 first and then play the actual pinball machine. Both can be tons of fun, but the most helpful thing about the video games is they can help highlight the different achievements in the game and tell you what skill shots will bring about the most points. I also saw pinball machine Black Hole in the background towards the end of the video, that is also in the Williams Arcade for PS3 & PS4, that one is a bit of a mindbender and I would've love to have the chance to play it on a real machine one day! Again, great video combining two of my favorite things! Stick tap to you Metal Jesus!

[@ion-shivs]

Great video. Educational, too. I love hearing about the inner workings and history of gaming machines.

[@cheesystick1]

Great Video. Chuck is very well-spoken as always. Let's see more episodes with Chuck!!! As for me, I'm not tech-savy enough to work on them myself, but I'll patron all these great places in the NW to get my fix. Just like the ladies, the virtual stuff can't touch the real deal ;-)

[@lippy22]

This video is great! I work at a barcade in Salem, Oregon, and we have most of the pins mentioned in this video. If you ever find yourself that far south, you should pay us a visit.

[@SKvSG]

You need to do another video at the pinball museum in Seattle, its in the international district and worth a trip

[@ChicagoRetroGamer]

Pinball is so cool. Could honestly just play all afternoon. Cheers and rock on, MJR!

[@garygealy1646]

Great to see you continue to branch out and grow your channel. I would also be interested in a video on arcade machines as well. It appears that Chuck's Game Room/Repair Shop is in his garage? I thought I spotted the tracks for the garage door. I am curious to know if the room is climate controlled. I would be worried about dampness and/or heat without climate control

[@derekfelska5683]

Sweet video! I just purchased my first pinball machine this winter. Its Data East's Laser War (1987), the styles are certainly dated but guess what, its part of what makes it cool and fun. Its a solid state game and I paid about $1,250 for it. Mr. Van Pelt is 100% correct about the dot matrix boards fetching a lot more money. At a minimum those games go for about $3,500 or more. Also, I'd say as smart tip for any person looking to purchase their first machine, if you know anyone close by who knows how these machines work have them check it out before you buy it. Think of it like having a mechanic friend test drive it, they'll be able to tell you what's wrong so you don't end up with some expensive repair off the bat. If you don't have someone you know with that sort of skillset, watch some KZbin clips on the game (I'd recommend some of the TNT Amusements vids) because they can give you a lot of helpful information on things to look out for repair and condition-wise. Buying a pinball machine has been great and no offense to video games, but I've seen young and old crowd around my pinball machine and play for hours. The instant response and the natural competitiveness of it just makes it fun and social. Thanks for this video, lots of great information!

[@Videogiocatrici]

I didn't know Gorgar actually exists. I thought it was a name that Helloween made up for their song, just an evil-sounding name they came up with. Awesome!

[@hannes8991]

Awesome! For me the first pinball I'd want to get would be the mid late 90s Star Wars (ANH) one and then one of those early purely mechanical ones.

[@Damon0306]

My 3-favs from the early 80s, Gorgar, Blackout, & Firepower!

[@promodgamung9277]

I love watching your videos and you actually inspired me to do a game collection

[@nathankail1490]

Hi MetalJesus, I'm Nathan and I love pinball. I've been playing for a long time. I'll be watching for a long time.

[@Stevaside]

Awesome to see a pinball vid from u! I've really gotten into it this year. Playing some tables for The Pinball Arcade on my PS4 had me thinking, man I really wanna go out & play the real thing..So low & behold I stumbled onto Pinside.com with the map feature where you can type in your city & pull up a list of all businesses around you that have machines, which ones they have & even comments on their condition..It was all over from that point on & I've been making stops all over town haha..The best by far is a new place called The Pinball Lounge with 14 tables, who just got the brand new Ghostbusters machine, can't wait to try it

[@stevealaska73]

I have a friend named Bill M. who is your long lost twin. Please let me know if you ever find yourself in the southern Nj area. You guys need to meet each other and someone needs to film it. I don't just mean you two kind of look like each other, I mean you look and sound like each other. Voice, hair and goat, stance, and mannerisms. It's NUTS. Im going to show him this vid next time I see him. Let's make this happen!

[@trulygg]

I loved pinball machines as a kid but it's not something you see at all anymore here in Sweden, nor would I have any room for them personally. That's why I appreciate some of the good digital ones like Pinball FX2.

[@chadkimmel8957]

Thanks a bunch, MJ. Now I want to buy a pinball machine, lol. Awesome video too, it's a nice change of pace.

[@gque1985]

awesome video, my father loves pinball machines and I always wanted to get him one, this helps a lot I appreciate information.

[@DarkHalmut]

Love the Golden Eye pinball. The plunger is a pistol grip and it has soviet artwork all painted.

[@jaimilloatgmaildotco]

OMG I miss "Pinbot" and "The Machine" soooooo much. I loved both of those games. So many awesome memories at the arcade. :')

[@russangel]

Tales from the Crypt,Terminator 2,Addams Family and Star Trek Next Generation were big in the UK.An oldie I used to like as well was Bride of Pinbot,they had thet in our local chippy.

[@speechdr]

loved the new Oz machine you highlighted. I have a 1986 Grand Lizard...Magna save baby!

[@JohnnyCProduction]

I will be at the Portland retro expo this year!!! Can't wait!!