PINE64 ROCKPro64 Review: Better than a Raspberry Pi?

[@GaryExplains]

Before anyone asks about the Raspberry Pi 4, please watch the video first as it contains pertinent information.

[@yashveerthakur7265]

Was about to comment the same lol

[@pweddy1]

EVERYONE was going to say "But the raspberry pi 4...." Hahahaha!

[@chriscontact5857]

Until they offer downloadable os's with desktop, including Ubuntu; they are not killing shit. Sorry about your luck.

[@TrystansWorkbench]

*coughs*

[@charliebrownau]

Please upload your content to bitchute to avoid the censorship on lefttube

[@hermanstokbrood]

Always pleasant when someone shows you where the pitfalls are.

[@carlod1605]

I'm waiting for pinebook pro which based on RockPro64. It's nice that there's an usb c and PCI x4

[@aperson9375]

Make a review on that, KZbinrs are waiting for it.

[@twmbarlwmstar]

Is that x86?

[@slappymcphee]

@@twmbarlwmstar no.... it is based on the Rockpro64 which is an ARM rk3399 CPU....

[@twmbarlwmstar]

@@slappymcphee Thanks, did it have a PCIe- maybe that is what got me confused?

[@ezg8448]

This board has such good hardware with great potential, it’s too bad the drivers have been lacking since day 1...

[@tedoyle61]

You hit the nail on the head... The software support. So, until they get the software builds squared, I"M OUT!

[@sethrd999]

Clearly SBC's are not for you.

[@tedoyle61]

@@sethrd999 No. Actually I have several models of the raspberry pi(s). What I dislike are the fly by night companies that expect community support while they reap all the profits while not investing in software to support their own products.

[@sethrd999]

@@tedoyle61 And yet they released ( Rockchip ) a full BSP? hmmm and yes they have developers ;)

[@tedoyle61]

@@sethrd999 Listen, I'm not here to argue, if this board works for you fine.

[@NigelNquande]

Clearly you're not keen on learning and writing C/C++ or Python, then ...

[@raja2310]

Waiting for raspberry pi 4 review.

[@TheMasterOfSafari]

Great review as always! Can’t wait for your Raspberry Pi 4 Comparison! :)

[@BillFlann9]

Great review Gary. Really like your channel. The whole presentation is easy to watch and informative. KUDOS from the US! Thanks for posting!

[@johnneighbors7817]

Good balanced videos. Enough tech and practical application.

[@GaryExplains]

Thanks! 👍

[@JM-sz9yg]

Yep it's all about the support community witch the raspberry pi takes the cake. I would go as far as saying Above all single board DIY PC's in that aspect.

[@SuperEvanbaxter]

The Raspberry Pie 4 with 4GB RAM is just $55. Also the community support is unmatched, so buying anything other than a Pie doesn't really make sense.

[@Avantime]

If only the Raspberry Pi foundation makes a $100 Pi as an option, it could open up a whole lot more uses.

[@vgamesx1]

Well that isn't at all true, spending $55 or more for something else doesn't make a lot of sense unless you must have pci-e or something, but there are still some cheaper $15-$25 alternatives like orange pi or friendly arm boards which offer comparable performance (also friendly arm is one of the few who do have pretty good support), plus it entirely depends on the use case too, do you actually need really good support to make some project or do you simply need a functioning computer/internet to run some sort of low power server? For one example, check out the NanoPi R1, it's a mini board sbc with dual Ethernet (only one gigabit unfortunately and wifi which can run bare linux or OpenWRT and even includes a metal case for $30, now whether or not you think that sounds good, $30 for a little mini router is a fairly standard starting price for those sorts of devices, so IMO it including a metal case and easily able to be repurposed for something else makes it an awesome value.

[@kayakMike1000]

​@mPky1 Its not a zero sum game. There are other options in the market because there is demand there. It wins for you, but not for everyone. Some people are actually pretty good at figuring out how to update the device tree and compile the right software. There are lots of people that don't have to have everything figured out FOR them and published in a tutorial.

[@kayakMike1000]

Maybe for people like you. That PCI slot opens is valuable and, it would be worth the extra 20 minutes to figure out which distro to flash on the emmc.

[@kayakMike1000]

@mPky1 I can write my own source and contribute it to whatever platform I want, or someone can port my code into their platform. You're one of THOSE types of trolls that just USES open source. You don't contribute back because that would be too difficult. You're one of those TOOLS that just lets other people figure it out.

[@kymberlailucas1831]

We also turn to odroid when extra power is needed. I got a odroid N2, C2, XU4, and nanopi. Also a Nvidia Shield TV. I dont think I'll be needing the Pi4, since it seems like there just catching up.

[@MegaStupidMonkeys]

With the Pi 4 out, I see very little point in getting another rk3399 based sbc unless you are a hardcore sbc nerd. $80 plus international shipping is simply not competitive at all. The pcie slot is cool but not enough to justify the price and lack of community and software support.

[@GRBtutorials]

This is an hexacore CPU, though. And PCIe is quite interesting, as you can put an SSD in there, and other things such as SATA ports (useful if you want to make a NAS).

[@tin2001]

Lack of PCIe/SATA is a huge pain in the arse with these budget SBCs. I've been trying to find a cheap, tiny board for almost 2 years to build a custom NAS. Most I've found that have SATA only have one port, and most with PCIe that I've seen lack something else important (like Ethernet), or are too big or too expensive.

[@MegaStupidMonkeys]

@@GRBtutorials Not all cores are equal. The rk3399 has two A72 high performance cores and four much less powerful A53 efficiency cores whereas the pi 4 has four A72 cores. The rk3399 may offer slightly higher single thread performance thanks to slightly higher clock speed of its A72 cores but the overall performance should be on the same level roughly.

[@MegaStupidMonkeys]

@@tin2001 The usb io performance on the pi 4 is massively improved compared to the pi 3b+. You can just get a hard drive or ssd enclosure and plug that in. Toms hardware showed speeds over 300MB/s in their review.

[@TalpaDK]

@@MegaStupidMonkeys Maybe I'm just old, but I personally hate disks attached over USB... (quite a lot of USB -> disk interfaces used to / had issues with sending commands for things like setting sleep time to the disks)... But I'm fortunate enough to have a Proliant micro server (a few gens old) so with regards to file and virtualization servers I'm good anyway :)

[@СергейД-ч4ь]

Nice review! But after June, 24 - launch of Raspberry Pi4 - no other SBC is of interest. As the new Pi has brilliant specs, low price and great community support! Looking forward to Pi4 review, tests, comparisons and so on!!! Always want to fund out more, thanks Gary and good luck!!!

[@GRBtutorials]

That’s quite a big exaggeration. Sure, the RPi 4 is powerful, but sometimes you want it to be cheap and compact rather than powerful, such as in security cameras, and sometimes you want more power and peripherals, such as in a NAS. Also, I’m sure Rockchip, PINE64 and other competitors will soon present a better alternative.

[@СергейД-ч4ь]

@@GRBtutorialsI accept some level of exaggeration of course!:) But no doubt it's gonna be very tough time for competitors! As Pi4 will take it all!

[@tin2001]

I saw the announcement of the Pi, looked at the specs and said "oh, so RPi 1 with a newer CPU... Again". I'd you want a cheap Linux desktop, then RPi is an option. If you want basically anything else, its not a good choice.

[@twmbarlwmstar]

@@tin2001 The Zero is OK, and not for a desktop.

[@pniiice]

my Odroid XU4 gets those transfer speeds too, so I'm happy.

[@kayakMike1000]

yeah, odroid xu4 is an amazing performer.

[@kymberlailucas1831]

The C2 and N2 are a beast also.

[@RTPTechTips]

thanks for the heads up. Have been eying it along with the new Hardrock64 which is even nicer!

[@oplkfdhgk]

Can you revisit this? Surely it is better now. Well atleast the software

[@crouchingtigerhiddenadam1352]

Great review, from the customer's perspective.

[@walkinmn]

I was thinking this could be a better emulator console than the Raspberry Pi 3 but i guess we would need to find out if there's no issues with plugins and codecs and now there's the raspberry pi 4.

[@JoseP-cw3je]

pi4 looks slower than this but for me is more important the hassle free of the pi than a better processor.

[@plankalkulcompiler9468]

Pi4 doesn't still have Retropie support, lol.

[@pantheist46n2]

curious to see how arch works on this. I bet everything would work perfectly on arch...as it usually does

[@Laurent.pierrard]

THAT IS a comment full of sense ; if the kernel and drivers work for the board, then ArchLinux can then compile all the modules you want for it provided you have the sourcecode. Stability is in the drivers of the hardware for a given kernel. If the hardware manufacturer makes good drivers available to the community, then the issues down the road are only for peoples who want "plug and play" systems, and are not ready to spend a very minimum amount of effort like telling their system during install "i want this and this and this and this, please compile it for my hardware and compile it while I get my tea/coffee"..

[@pantheist46n2]

@@Laurent.pierrard I bet you wouldn't even have to compile it - I bet the default binary arch kernel has everything in there ready to rock n roll already. That community kicks major ass!

[@bobbiecorner]

I have a Rock64, I used Armbian Linux and it comes with nand-sata-install that lets you copy the OS to your SSD etc. I see they also support the Rock64Pro so I would recommend Armbian Linux for this board.

[@BrianThomas]

How well does OMV (Open Media Vault ) run on this board?

[@kwinzman]

Great review. The hardware is great. But getting driver that supports what you want is tough. The kernel drivers seem to be written by mainly one guy who does the Rock64, Rock64 Pro and the laptops all by himself.

[@UpcycleElectronics]

Thumbs up, but for reviewing an open source hardware board. The Rπ is the Microsoft of SBC's. Sure the Rπ may be easier for your grandmother to plug and play, but open source hardware is the future. The Rockchip has a datasheet, so the Linux kernel can support it as people develop the code and drivers. In fact anyone could do this. The Rπ has a broadcom chip with a locked datasheet. Only the Rπ foundation has the datasheet, and they have a binding legal non disclosure agreement that prevents them from sharing it with anyone. They make this deal with the devil so that no one else can purchase the broadcom chip used on the π. No one can build their own hardware with it unless they buy and integrate an entire Rπ which is entirely impractical. The only reason the Rπ has support is due to the Rπ foundation. This is exactly like Microsoft and products like Windows. It's a business strategy all about dominating the lion's share of the market with a sub standard product. In the long term, open source hardware will dominate. It's the better choice now and later. We, the average user, own the ability to do whatever we want with the product. We aren't at the mercy of the benevolent dictator corporation to grant us access.

[@The.Cycling.Therapist]

New sub here getting into the scene after the Pi 4 release. Thanks for great content to help me get up to speed!

[@autohmae]

How awesome: PCI Express Really, really, really, looking forward for people to solve the whole software ecosystem problems, because that was just a really sad story. I've seen a talk from FOSDEM 2019: "One image to rule them all - Single boot image for SBCs" I hope that helps improve things a lot, even solve the problem. Hardware builders should not be making distributions, but only help with making kernels.

[@igorpecovnik]

One image is still too difficult and Armbian is the closest to this principle.

[@Albertredneck]

Out of ignorance: why don't all this boards work with just the same ARM compiled Linux? Why some softwere cannot compile with some boards (for example, compiling ok on RP3 but failing on RP4)?

[@Endermen1094]

@@Albertredneck I guess Lake of Universal boot roms

[@johna3357]

I wish I watched this video before I ordered a rockpro64. The overall design of the board and it's amazing hardware really impressed me and led me to believe this would be a suitable alternative to a RPI4. I'm not unhappy with my purchase, but I am ripping my hair out trying to get BSD to run properly and I can't find any documentation or support for getting BSD to run on the rp64. The fast hardware doesn't do you much good when there's no hardware acceleration and your system runs like a potato.

[@igorordecha]

Waiting for pi 4 comparison. I want gigabit nas server on 4 sata hdd's(in jbod array), Minecraft server for 2-3ppl all on sbc and i think pi 4 will be enough with its real gigabit Ethernet and 2xUSB 3.0

[@0xE9]

You listed all the points I encountered using the cubie truck way back. Didn't expect you to be that level of knowledgeable. Not trying to be arrogant just means: good work I'll stick around longer

[@GaryExplains]

Thanks for the compliment... I think... Can I ask out of curiosity, why didn't you expect me to be "that level of knowledgeable." What pre-determined your expectation about my competency?

[@gamerlucky]

hitting 100k soon bro 🤞

[@PakoSt]

Great review! Which distros did you end up using the most? I'm really starting to reconsider my stance on ARM as desktop/laptop alternative from 4 months ago. The development speed of different boards and projects is surreal. I'm curious and hopeful to see how far Lima and Panfrost will go in Q3/Q4 of this year. The projects are hitting some amazing milestones in short amount of time!

[@GRBtutorials]

Well, the only reason why ARM isn’t there yet on desktop is lack of interest and software support. But it’s definitely feasible, and it’s not just me who says that, Apple is planning on making ARM chips for the desktop and Linus Torvalds said it’s the future.

[@suniljanki5595]

The boards we have been seeing for the past year are a huge step up from what you could get in 2017 and before. I bought an Orange Pi Win Plus back then to experiment with ARM and see how far it has come along and I must say that things are looking quite good. Raspberry Pi 4 should serve as a nice baseline for what we could expect in 2019 and next year we will hopefully see boards with RK3588 containing Cortex A76 cores and 8 GB of RAM. The experience of running on real hardware is quite a bit better than in QEMU running on a high-end x86 processor.

[@saisrikargollamudi7892]

Sir,make a video on open source hardware and your opinion on that.

[@GaryExplains]

What do you mean by open source hardware? Would you include RISC-V, which ISN'T open source hardware.

[@eusebiusthunked5259]

@@GaryExplains how is RISC-V not open source hardware? Are you saying the ISA isn't open source, or something else?

[@penguin1714]

@@GaryExplains Im curious. Why is RISCV not open source?

[@GaryExplains]

@@penguin1714 The licence specifies that the instruction set definition is open source, but companies that make RISC-V processors are under no obligation to release any details/source about their designs.

[@penguin1714]

@@GaryExplains This is true, but there is open source riscv hardware out right now. SiFives Freedom Unleashed and HiFive1 RevB are both open source hardware if Im not mistaken.

[@NigelNquande]

"I only found one distro on the list that worked." It would be nice if you mentioned what that distro is/was. Is that too much to ask? That's all well and good, but will it play Crysis?

[@nickkaraoke2128]

Wonder if a graphics card can be run on that PCI slot

[@lowitv4028]

Same here

[@TheGTP1995]

I'm pretty sure you can, but you have also to power it and for that you'll need a PSU that is much bigger than this SBC, and even then the CPU will be a bottleneck (unless you're using a really old GPU). In the end I think it doesn't worth it.

[@Laurent.pierrard]

@5:48 if you can have your kernel running command line, you can recompile ALL what you need to complete the Linux distribution you want. So many peoples expect Linux to be plug and play for noobs, they miss the point of who started Linux (geeks) and even though the distributions are more and more noob friendly, it is still not suitable for my grandmother. Please expect to do a bit of command line to tune your distribution, and if you are at a stage where you consider getting a micro computer to fiddle with it, then you are in the right spirit; don’t stop half way!! :)

[@GaryExplains]

Yes I expect Linux to be plug and play for noobs, thus isn't 1998.

[@attylaar]

I’m looking for solution to make psfsense. Maybe this one with pci ethernet card would be good?

[@ted_van_loon]

you can look if there is some kind of sata module for raspberry(since the usb and microsd read and writespeeds of raspberry pi are verry low in my experience) and then use 2 raspberrypi 4's as a computecluster for roughly the same price.

[@GaryExplains]

The USB 3.0 read/write speeds of the Pi 4 are excellent.

[@ted_van_loon]

@@GaryExplains thanks, that's a great thing to hear.

[@zaperfield]

I don't know how are Rockchips today but I bought an RKM android stick some years ago and it is a disaster both in software and hardware. I had to install a non official ROM that had better hardware support and still it fails in several sides. Hope it is better now.

[@BrianThomas]

Gary. When you were transferring files using the SATA board. What did you boot to? SD or EMMC? Does that make a difference in file transferring from SATA?

[@GaryExplains]

Booted from SD and it won't make any difference.

[@0ldSkoolgenx]

Most single boards that are coming out don't have the same support as the pi, owning odroid n2/odroid xu4 thats why i am still using a pi 3 in my arcade, suits my purposes and better user experience.

[@charleswatts1864]

Gary, I'd like to make a DIY digital picture frame using a single board computer. There are other KZbinrs with videos showing how to do this. I dont want to use any cloud services. I already have thousands of photos on a FreeNAS server on my LAN. I prefer to use the NAS instead. What builds/OS should I start with? I prefer to do as little coding as possible as I am a noob. I'd like to maybe set up Kodi to slideshow photos on boot or something and have the files stream off the NAS instead of storing them at the build. Any suggestions? Have you done this yourself? Maybe make a video...

[@RocktCityTim]

The Pine64 team are far less involved with the distro development that they should be. I've been meddling in Linux since 0.99pl12 (1993), and I still can't figure out how to create a kernel of my own for this board. I purchased the whoe shebang (the NAS chassis, the SAST card, fans, power, etc.) and it's been quite a let down for more than 13 months. Even asking fr help from the distro posters can result in no answer or weeks before you do get an answer. Lots of power, but you can't really utilize it unless you are already an aarch64 kernel and uboot master.

[@schrodingerscat1863]

Maybe try Gentoo, the whole distro is aimed at compiling the kernel from scratch so with a little effort you should be able to put something together tailored to your needs.

[@RocktCityTim]

@@schrodingerscat1863 The OS issues were sorted around 2 years ago and I've used more that 20 of these in projects.

[@schrodingerscat1863]

Sounds like an option for the Gentoo Linux crowd who don't mind compiling everything from source. If you know how to get driver source and compile it yourself this board should be a pretty good option, not for the plug and prey folks at all.

[@pilabs3206]

I was wrong following RPI4 hype then (when I criticized you about making this video). and today we have tons of CM4 pci x1! and this have 4x.. already exposed. cheaper, better, etc.

[@retrotony4119]

The point of the Raspberry pi is it’s simplicity. I did not want to add boards to the board like a pc. The Raspberry pi is just better because of the support as well. If the software was better I would totally look at other boards, but the community for raspberry pi is dug in deep and have it down on the software end.

[@igorpecovnik]

It always depends on what you are planning to use the board. Support on all those is just fine: www.armbian.com/download/?device_support=Supported

[@ShamsTebrizi]

Exuse me Gary, I have listened the video twice and still don't understand what device better for daily decktop using (Inet serfing? youtoob and so on) - Rasberry pi 4B or Rock Pi 4C?

[@dongchaozou3403]

Very informative video! BTW, Does this board have the same over heating problem as raspberry 4 do? Or it's better?

[@whothefoxcares]

Gary, can you please explain why ARM64 SBC can't/won't/don't boot ISO images like x86. Thanks!

[@deldia]

Thanks Gaz

[@markstanchin1692]

How well does it run Android ver 7, 8...ect I'm looking for a board to run a wall tablet touch display currently its running a board with with a Rock Chip RK3288 and I can't upgrade past 5.1 I need at least 7.1 any suggestions? Thanks!!

[@TheKetsa]

for that price, I will get a second hand fullblown PC fully compatible and with a stable ecosystem...

[@willrogers3702]

TheKetsa For $80 you won’t get much from a secondhand PC

[@Dr_MKUltra]

Plenty of cheap core 2 duo or sandybridge i3s for that price

[@nicholai310]

Is it possible to have 2 pcie devices if you use a pcie riser board?

[@WildPumpk1n]

Thanks for the review. A good sbc but without an important community for support it and release to the Grand public an plug and play system.

[@David_Quinn1995]

so if I am willing to do a little input the pine is a better option?

[@sabitech2k]

Don’t forget it’s a LOT more expensive

[@javaman2883]

I'm wanting to build my own NAS, thinking of using this SBC. That SATA card from Pine only supports two SATA drives Has anyone had luck getting it to work with a SATA adapter card supporting 4 or more SATA drives?

[@josephtremblant2173]

Radxa the manufacturer of the great RockPi4 has some great SATA solution hat for the raspberry pi 4: shop.allnetchina.cn/collections/sata-hat/products/dual-sata-hat-open-frame-for-raspberry-pi-4?variant=31603692699750

[@Javadamutt]

Out of interest what is the status of windows 10s arm support on non x86 small board computers?

[@MickeyD2012]

How about hooking up a GTX card to the PCIe slot?

[@-tineidae]

I dont think that will work. You need to have enough power from the power adapter and the board itself has to pass that power to the pci slot.

[@MickeyD2012]

@@-tineidae Most GPUs take external power from the PSU.

[@hurricane31415]

Rockchip ... and that's over for that board. I had trouble with all of my Rockchip boards. And I'm still waiting for the alleged Vulkan support on Linux for all of them (actually I've stopped waiting months ago, years after it was expected).

[@hassinayaz7310]

we are using a similar board with Allwinner A64 for our product . their kernel & drivers are not stable and it's a pain in the *** for us now

[@chriscontact5857]

If I could load a full desktop or somehow run 1 OpenScad then 2 Codeblocks, sure. Unfortunatly i cant even get desktop or those to run on the Rock64. I am disabled with enough cognative disfuntion to fill.

[@chriscontact5857]

If they made these to run full ubuntu 19.04 besktop spy ware version, they could rull the world.

[@default_youtube_profile]

SBC's fall in the category of DIY why are you expecting it to be a Plug and Play ?

[@GaryExplains]

That may have been try a few years ago, but not now.

[@droidserker4203]

This Soc Support Backend API Vulkan?

[@swschilke]

Hallo Gary, what about checking out the Nvidia Jetson Nano? Regards .

[@GaryExplains]

LOL. I did already. Video on this channel.

[@favesongslist]

@@GaryExplainsDoes the PINE64 ROCKPro64 include a NPU?

[@GaryExplains]

@@favesongslist No.

[@android199ios25]

Pi4 looks nice and is cheaper. I'll wait on your review before deciding whether to upgrade my pi3 tho.

[@pniiice]

I'm hoping we can get a nice android build that can use dual-screen somehow. I use the XU4 for both retropie and Openmediavault, and it work splendidly for both. I do want a standalone Kodi box though, and I'm hoping this will be able to do that well (which I'm sure it will).

[@msinfo32]

My pi 3 b+ was dead when I bought it. It was revived by me but 10 days later it dies. Random shutdown now only red-light when on

[@sethrd999]

The Pi4 is about 6 months to little to late, Rockchip has an 8nm 8core upgrade coming that is 4 x A76;s and 4x A55;s and looks to support 8K video ( Mali ) .. Will be interesting to see how the SBC's roll out sporting this one, worth waiting as its slated for the 4th quarter this year. Jut like the Rock64 and RockPro64 will likely be 100% supported with Open Drivers ( Linux Kernel + device tree ) , yes even Mali T/G Series with the likes of panfrost/bifrost ( midgard ), So you can go BCM / cheap if you like ( hate the propitiatory blob required to boot that thing ), but my money is on RockChip to still own the Market with the new 35xx series where the 3399 has owned it this far. I have a rock64 ( self built parts ) running Arch Linux, Linux archrock 5.1.15-1-ARCH #1 SMP Wed Jun 26 00:49:32 UTC 2019 aarch64 GNU/Linux And yes everything on this board has a kernel module / enabled see here for modules ( drivers to windows people ) and the whole boot process, pastebin.com/QcPWk0LB

[@Jimmy_Jones]

@@msinfo32 Sure your power cable and block were up to it's requirements?

[@android199ios25]

Nigel Sollars Sure if you need more power, I use my rpi as mini NAS so usb 3.0 would be a major upgrade and i don’t need 4gb of ram. As for compiling kernel with all modules enabled that was good call.

[@vaibhavdabwalv1]

Can we hook up a gpu on this thing?

[@foxsux6000]

If the GPU has a driver for ARM for linux sure, otherwise (nope)

[@tedmureithi6483]

Nvidia is working on drivers I think

[@vaibhavdabwalv1]

@@tedmureithi6483 with amd's being open source I'm surprised no one thought of porting those.

[@tedmureithi6483]

@@vaibhavdabwalv1 they just might already be ported

[@GRBtutorials]

one ted That’s interesting since Torvalds hates Nvidia precisely because there aren’t drivers for Linux.

[@XellosMetallium]

I don’t know why people are over hype about the Pi. I can’t use it for anything, even SNES emulation is bad. The only use I have for it is as a NAS server or 3D printer server.

[@GaryExplains]

You say you can't use it for anything and then list two things you can use it for! 😬

[@XellosMetallium]

Gary Explains You forgot I said “over hype” you can’t compare to a idle server to a active os.

[@shawneesasquatch8266]

The lack of support is the reason I will never buy another pine product. I purchased the pine A64 a couple years ago and it has never had an OS that works properly 100%.

[@KingDavid5934]

Please confirm if accurate this board rockpro64 does not have 4K support (as oppossed to the raspberry 4) Thanks

[@GaryExplains]

According to the specs it does support 4K, but I haven't tested it.

[@WatsitTooyah]

I've been using one of these as a nas/nextcloud instance/ Plex server. It's a pretty good board. I bought a WiFi module and it didn't work at first but it does now after updates. Running armbian

[@twmbarlwmstar]

There's a BANA Pi that is supposedly a router board but should work as a NAS board. Problems are £100, 512GB DDR benefits are 4 ethernet ports and some other stuff I forget. ANd you can get a second hand Synology for £150 anyway.

[@jud-asinsmith-stansell2022]

Yes sad.. I jumped on this board a year ago but I have to have things that just work. I dont have the knowledge to hack around with drivers.. so sadly its setting unused all this time. :(

[@MyChannel-vm6dw]

Can you do a speed and processing power comparison between the new Pi 4 versus the oDroid xu4

[@GaryExplains]

I don't have an ODroid XU4.

[@igorpecovnik]

Pi4 is slower. As expected.github.com/ThomasKaiser/sbc-bench/blob/master/Results.md

[@josephtremblant2173]

@@igorpecovnik It's not. Slower for retro gaming maybe. A Rpi 4Gb or 8Gb will blow the XU4 off the water running any 64 bits linux distro like Ubuntu-mate 20.04, ubuntu desktop 20.04 LTS or Manjaro 20.08. XU4 has 2Gb of RAM only. XU4 was released in 2015. Rpi 4 was released on 2019. Times to move on. You want something faster than Rpi4 and reliable too to run Linux Desktop, try Odroid-N2+ and install official Ubuntu-Desktop 20.04 w/Gnome/Wayland and 5.8 kernel.

[@igorpecovnik]

@@josephtremblant2173 LOL Perhaps you should check the date of my post? Things has been changed indeed. I also never used RPi nor Ubuntu or Manjaro. Time to move to Armbian on N2+ and other boards. Its the best support you can get/have. BTW. At the time of this post, 3D drivers (needed for Gnome and similar) are too unstable for Wayland (on N2 and RK3399). Also if you want something more versatile / better for serious usage, proper storage, get Nanopi T4 ... see SBC bench numbers to understand where proprietary video player without reliable storage called RPi can truly excel. If.

[@igorpecovnik]

@@josephtremblant2173 And to not forget. SSD on RK3399 (which is also around 2.5y old now) can easily run 1 GBPS faster then on Rpi4 or about 3 - 4 times and its much much more reliable. This is another case, not Retrogaming. What about crypto acceleration? How fast it is on RPi 4? I indeed want something faster for Linux desktop which is why I use Ryzen 9 3950x and don't waste time with SBC for that kind of usage where memory speed is just a bit faster then a desktop ssd storage.

[@iamarxalan]

Can you install windows on it ?

[@GaryExplains]

No.

[@HuntaKiller91]

TV's should be using this embedded to their chipset..so that tvbox is the thing of the past,this might be a good casual gaming on the tv aswell

[@JoseP-cw3je]

most of the TVs now are smart TVs but they use really slow chips to not raise the prices too much just in the ultra high end you can find decent chips with android tv oreo but for me i prefer to buy a cheaper tv with better display than a smart tv if i could because even the fire stick 4k is a lot faster than most smart tvs and i an used to the shield tv that is the ultimate experience for a tv entertainment system even my HTPC with ryzen apu is just sitting there without being used

[@jeffreyplum5259]

Gary, the RK339 processor is a big and little design. It work differently than an x86 hex core processor. Perhaps you could explain how the Big and Little system works. I am an x86 guy. The dual CPU nature of these ARM chips has not been well covered, to my knowledge. X86 CPus have single and multi-thread performance scores. The big and little ARM design adds light load and full load modes to this mix. The Raspberry Pi has avoided this issue, using only a single core type in each generation. This very x86 like, but it avoids the extremely low energy modes of the big and little design. Help please!

[@GaryExplains]

I have already covered big.LITTLE multiple times in video and in article, on this channel and on Android Authority.

[@japrogramer]

Seriously, I need a cheap board with pcie 3 or 4 to build a freenas .. and multiple gigabit eth ports. Or something higher.

[@ThinkingBetter]

250MB SSD...wow, where did you buy that? Real retro style.

[@GaryExplains]

LOL

[@allocaon563]

Can I use it for running kali linux?

[@Dobrufusnoretro]

Gary we need raspberry pi 4 windows 10 review 🤩

[@twmbarlwmstar]

Will be hard as Windows won't run on the Pi4, it will need re-writing apparently. A lot doesn't run on Pi4 at the moment.

[@megalosjack]

It is a powerhouse but the versatility of a Raspberry pi is moree than an advantage.

[@hallomeinnameistkarl216]

FINALLY!!! I CAN FINALLY PUT MY GRAPHICS CARD IN A SINGLE BOARD COMPUTER

[@Duelista23]

man i love that thing... DAMN MY COUNTRY!!!

[@parrotraiser6541]

Valid points about the ecosystem.

[@rebeccawrongdaily7332]

I purchased the complete set 4Gb board eMMC SATA FAN Heatsink SSD adapter wireless add on camera and display screen all of which cost a fortune. It's really useful if you have an empty draw that you want to fill up but no use for anything else. As Gary says part A will work this operating system 1 but not 2,3,4,5,6,7, part b will work with operating system 2 but not 1,3,4,5,6,7, blah blah blah. it's expensive junk.

[@Stonemasher]

Hardware is nothing without software and support. So you pay 80$ for having just a piece of a single board to attach it on the wall. Raspberry Pi is unbeatable, great software and mostly huge support and now that 4 is out nothing will compare to it.

[@badjano]

I´m sorry, but is it ARM64 or x64? Can I install Windows 10?

[@GaryExplains]

ARM and no.

[@eldontyrellcorp]

Nothing can beat the rpi4 !! (At least support-wise ...) :)

[@slappymcphee]

lol.... what support? the board just came out and has a different architecture. they released the board with crappy MESA support so far.

[@eldontyrellcorp]

@@slappymcphee yes but I'm almost 100% sure all major distributions will fully support it within a few months. Which is not the case for many many other sbc's...

[@thomasarouge3636]

@@eldontyrellcorp I agree. With that being said, I think the PineBook Pro will lead to better support of this hardware (since it uses the same chip).

[@pamus6242]

Nothing can beat the RPi Software.

[@zekimurad7990]

I bought a rockpro64. It half booted once then died. Sold to me knowingly defective. Plenty of other examples - don't be tempted.

[@DNAatcg]

Zeki Murad same. I bought Pine when it first came out and it’s a paperweight. No programs for it, hard to support.

[@kymberlailucas1831]

That's why I stick with Odriod. Haven't messed with a Pi since!

[@sethrd999]

@@DNAatcg So you did not join the IRC chan / forum?

[@josephtremblant2173]

@@kymberlailucas1831 That's is why I stick with Odroids and Rpi4's only.

[@mysterio7807]

SO is technically possible to connect a GPU on it? lol

[@СергейД-ч4ь]

No way! Unfortunately...

[@suniljanki5595]

The board can't supply enough power for a separate graphics card.

[@mysterio7807]

Sunil Janki if that’s the only problem you can mod it.

[@gumikacsa526]

Even if you could, those 4 lanes would choke the bare shit out of it

[@twmbarlwmstar]

@@suniljanki5595 The board doesn't have to, the PSU does.

[@TheFrenchy82]

oh that's too bad...... I saw a treu competitor for the RP4... but no....

[@1MarkKeller]

*Professor GARY!!!*

[@brianlfarrell1]

Time for an update.

[@kennmossman8701]

Price?

[@nomeirx]

retro game without lag??

[@NSHarrison]

Hi Gary, I do like most of your videos but I did want to share a little bit of constructive feedback. I find your regular glancing to your left to, I presume, read a script very distracting. Any chance you can position the script closer to the camera?

[@GaryExplains]

It isn't a script. I record this videos on my own and I subconsciously look at the flip out screen. It has got worse because people keep commenting about it, which makes me try harder to not do it, but you know the story, the more conscious I am of it the worse it gets.

[@polisidor7414]

nice explaination

[@imabeapirate]

The RockPro64 is built with longevity and production in mind. Pi's are built to let you down

[@armorgeddon]

Are Pi's known to fail/be unreliable?

[@ogremgtow990]

You should have plugged the SSD into a USB 3 port. USB 3 is faster than SATA 2.