Chevy MYSTERY Misfire - Part1 ('98 K2500 Labor Day Special)

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Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics

Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics

Күн бұрын

Just another Chevy truck, just another misfire...right? Not so fast!
There is more lurking under the hood on this 1998 Chevy K1500 than just a bad spark plug....
Took a while to nail this one!
Repairs coming up in Part 2 :)
Enjoy, and Happy Labor Day!
Ivan

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@docfeelgood111
@docfeelgood111 3 жыл бұрын
The reason it smoothed out under load is because a vacuum leak doesn't have as much of an effect then because you're adding fuel to compensate for unmetered air coming in through the intake leak. Then the air fuel ratio more closely matches what it should be. Great video I'm glad to see technicians doing a proper diagnosis instead of throwing parts at it.
@iamblaineful
@iamblaineful 3 жыл бұрын
Most of the vacuum is made at idle, not at higher RPMs. The MAF was also reading way off at idle, 9.6g/s should be closer to 6.8g/s, so that left valve cover vent tube into the intake before the throttle body was clearly distorting it at well. The MAF is before the vacuum tub.
@mentaldemise
@mentaldemise 3 жыл бұрын
Vacuum drops to near 0 at WOT doesn't it? That's what "vacuum reserves" are for(as I understand it)
@colejensen5812
@colejensen5812 3 жыл бұрын
That is not completely accurate. Manifold pressure increases to near atmospheric pressure as you open the throttle blade. The pressure differential between atmosphere and the intake manifold is less thus air does not travel through the leak point under load.
@AP9311
@AP9311 3 жыл бұрын
Lol Ivan, sounds all to common problem!! Had that exact same issue with my suburban! I bought mahle intake gaskets instead of felpro as they're more solid built. I had pcv issues with high idle. I indeed replaced the pcv with oem. Did not fix it, found out that i was getting to much vacuum in the crankcase, the gaskets were bad, as the water jackets clogging up. Did full flush, fresh gaskets really cleaned the surfaces, never had a problem since. 260,000 and still going! They're really well built, solid motor if well taken care of.
@scotttucker4075
@scotttucker4075 3 жыл бұрын
That's a a good diagnostic boy ,,, truck is probably older than he is,, we had a lot of trouble with those intake gaskets leaking on those engines normally coolant haven't seen one with vacuum that's a good catch,, great job
@metoon3092
@metoon3092 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool diagnostics ! Old Chey's never die, they just get a bit of Russian help on occasion ! Listen closely to the audio in this video. Shhhh, listen,... You can hear Bob Seger singing......
@akhtarkh
@akhtarkh 3 жыл бұрын
A little schematic diagram showing PCV valve, idle air valve etc would help in understanding the issue. Thanks as always
@inothome
@inothome 3 жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw the high idle and zero IAC it was a vacuum leak. Good to see you didn't go down the low compression rabbit hole. Easy to overthink things sometimes, but back to the basics and it's just a vacuum leak. Hopefully just the gasket like you said and not some cracked intake runner that never happens...... But would make for a good video!
@claytoncoolidge992
@claytoncoolidge992 3 жыл бұрын
As soon as you said misfire with no code and high idle code I just shook my head and reached behind the seat of my 95 burban and grabbed the intake gasket set. Its a common issue that many people don't really realize. It usually doesn't manifest with many symptoms on these except a slightly high idle witch most don't really notice a shake at low rpm but when u hammer it everything is perfect and you can see the misfire disappear. It can be frustrating especially if everything is checked out ok and you find a worn out pcv valve or bad vacuum lines and assume that you nailed it. If this engine doesn't use the plastic and rubber o ring style intake gaskets (idr witch year they started using that style but 98 is close to the change) as much as some will reeee about it best long-term solution that I've had great longevity from is to coat both sides of the entire gasket surface with rtv and flush out the dexcool and put green back in it. I do the rtv on the gaskets cause the dexcool causes pitting and I have found that using rtv just around the coolant ports does prevent coolant leaks but it causes the gaskets to blow easier and cause more vacuum leaks. I currently have 3 years and most of 100k miles on the last set I installed. Generally speaking on most any SBC 5 years seems to be the time frame that the intake gaskets seem to start leaking coolant or vacuum or both. The gaskets get hard and brittle and then if you get nice and warm while working it hard by towing heavy wagons or anything like that. Doesn't take much to get a leak at that point. We have had the 88-98 chevy trucks as our farm trucks for 20+ years and it is almost clock work to have to do the intake gaskets on them at 3-5 years always ends up being july-early September during the dog days and ironically right during the heavy hay and haylage season so hauling wagons and getting them nice and warm under heavy load and as soon as I get a break in the fall I swap a new set in before the winter weather sets in.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you have a lot of experience with these trucks Clayton! Which brand of gasket do you prefer?
@claytoncoolidge992
@claytoncoolidge992 3 жыл бұрын
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics felpro. They tend to be what is most commonly stocked. I don't really see much difference between the different brands. Only so much that can be different and if your gonna apply rtv I've honestly cut a cereal box and made a set of gaskets a few times in a pinch on on the side of the road after blowing the coolant port and leaking fast. If you've done it a few times can be changed out in about an hour (atleast I could prior to having 3 discs removed from my lower back now its closer to 2 hours).
@Garth2011
@Garth2011 3 жыл бұрын
@@claytoncoolidge992 I believe Felpro and Victor are the best choice. they both tend to exceed GM in upgrades and quality most.
@jeffreywilsonrubikscubeonb2428
@jeffreywilsonrubikscubeonb2428 3 жыл бұрын
@@claytoncoolidge992I was a gm dealer tech for years and I agree. Doesn't matter much which gasket is used if you use rtv to compensate for the pitting. Being in the aftermarket world now for over a decade I find rtv to be the savior on many issues. Early 2000s Toyota's with common timing chain tensioner leaks at right rear of engine bay is a great example. This leaks oil all over power steering pump which commonly gets misdiagnosed as the issue. It's an o ring that fails on tensioner...and even if you replace the tensioner assembly (comes with new o ring) or just the o ring... This will always fail again within 500 to 10 thousand km in my experience. Adding rtv to the o ring has eliminated all comebacks. I like to follow service manual as much as I can until i get tired of comebacks lol. There is one manufacturer out there that I won't mention that if it has a transmission oil pan leak..i get rid of gasket and don't order another...just clean surfaces well and use red Rtv... hasn't let me down since. I've seen the thin cardboard trick with rtv before when I lived in Asia for a while. Works good. Even saw leaking I ejector o rings on heavy equipment fixed with thread ripped off the operators shirt... 😎
@claytoncoolidge992
@claytoncoolidge992 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeffreywilsonrubikscubeonb2428 lol ikr I'm pretty sure I know exactly the trans pans you are referring to 😁 i totally agree though if I can do a job once for someone and not have to worry about a come back simply because I can supplement the oem and improve upon the improved redesign then im all for it. Been many times that a couple of extra seconds to toss a little rtv on a gasket made all the difference. The best one I've ever pulled off was on a 1953 john deere 60 head gasket I was 16 or 17 so I can't claim that it was skill or knowledge but it was pure genius. Head was perfect except for a very very small chip that was too deep to machine out and the tractor not only had sentimental value to the customer but it was also all completely numbers matching original tractor. After several failures with multiple shops including the dealer I offered to look at it and see if I could find a way to get it to work and seal and stay sealed. I replaced all the head studs and then used one used gasket and one new one and put red rtv in between the 2 gaskets and on both sides of the outer faces and put it together completely disregarded the torque specs and put a 3/4 drive breaker bar with a 5 foot cheater pipe on the end of it and slowly working in the proper pattern but making sure that I started and ended each pass on the stud closest to the bad spot on the head cranked them as tight as I could possibly get them. And then let it set empty for several days. I never filled the coolant till I got the tractor running and warmed up a couple of times dry. When I filled the coolant up there wasn't any sign of leaking till it built up to full pressure in the system and was very very small. So pulled the valve cover and had the customer help me to tighten the bolts while engine was hot and we cranked another half to 3/4 turn out of them. 21 years and its never blown again it will leak a tiny bit if you are working it too hard at full throttle on a hot day but once u see it leaking as long as u back off the throttle a bit it stops leaking and is all fine. Its never leaked coolant into the cylinder since I did them witch was the major problem.. a small occasional external leak is not a problem considering
@kdmq
@kdmq 3 жыл бұрын
I think the intake manifold gasket makes sense cause cyl 7 was misfiring a bit as well as 5 and they are neighbouring cylinders. I am surprised you never mentioned cyl 7 misfiring. I am excited for part 2 cause I am wondering if the intake gasket is literally just another red herring lol, but the crankcase was under abnormally high vacuum for sure.
@ecaparts
@ecaparts 3 жыл бұрын
Ahhh, you heard me screaming at my phone. Intake gaskets!! Misfire worst at idle (high vacuum - throttle plate closed) the excess air creates an extremely lean condition in cylinder #5 with little to no contribution. However with a MAF vehicle, I would expect lean codes on both banks. But considering the age of this thing it doesn’t surprise me, doesn’t even set misfire codes! Also good find with the PCV valve. Can’t wait to see the Russian repair in part 2…
@TractorWrangler01
@TractorWrangler01 3 жыл бұрын
Haha! Me to! We must have been making a hell of a racket.
@iamblaineful
@iamblaineful 3 жыл бұрын
MAF was reading 9.6 to 10.1 at idle, way too high. If the computer was following it, to maintain stoichiometric, it would be adding fuel. It should be 6.3 to 6.8g/s on that rig. Remember, it's got the old skool O2 sensors... That valve cover tube goes into the intake between the MAF and the throttle body likely tricking it by pulling more air into the crankcase at idle than would normally get by the idle circuit, causing the higher reading in MAF.
@RG-cd3uf
@RG-cd3uf Жыл бұрын
Faulty fuel pressure regulator will bleed into cylinder 5 on these spider injection sbc engines and cause this #5 misfire. By the look of that plug.. I'd say it's possible
@jamesm568
@jamesm568 Жыл бұрын
​@@RG-cd3uf or cause an intake backfire and blowout the upper intake seal or crack the upper intake manifold.
@WatchWesWork
@WatchWesWork 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting failure mode! Normally they just leak coolant everywhere...
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 жыл бұрын
Lol! Yeah very weird 😅
@111-c7x2t
@111-c7x2t 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Wes Great to see you here, how long you've been watchin russian repair videos?
@mjmcomputers
@mjmcomputers 3 жыл бұрын
Yep these are notorious for sending coolant into the engine. I’ve heard a lot of 5.0 and 5.7 vortecs knocking from the coolant oil sludge taking the bearings out.
@wildman1137
@wildman1137 3 жыл бұрын
@@mjmcomputers That's called a lack of maintenance. In other words, neglect. Not a vehicle fault.
@mjmcomputers
@mjmcomputers 3 жыл бұрын
@@wildman1137 bad design on the original intake gaskets on these. They normally fail at under 100k.
@Mr2004MCSS
@Mr2004MCSS 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I've owned a 98 K1500 with this engine since new and I'm on my third intake manifold gasket with the last one being replaced at around 75-80,000 miles. There have been three revisions of the intake gasket over the years and my truck has version two. I'm at around 142,000 miles now and so far the intake gasket is still good. Years ago I had a high idle situation with this truck and it ended up being the thermostat was stuck open so the truck never warmed up to the correct operating temp and had the idle at high all of the time. New thermostat and idle returned to normal. The AC compressors on these trucks are a know issue for leaking and that one is definitely leaking so the owner will be looking at a compressor replacement in the near future. There are one piece case clones out there that are way better than the HT6 that these trucks use. I've been using a Seltec-Valeo compressor on my truck for years and it's still leak free. I also own a 98 K3500 with the 7.4L big block and have replaced it's compressor with a clone as well with no leaking problems.
@somerandomguy3868
@somerandomguy3868 3 жыл бұрын
Thought for sure you nailed it with the injector test, my immediate thought was head gasket slight coolent intrusion into 5
@Garth2011
@Garth2011 3 жыл бұрын
Can you bend a rod starting the engine after injecting fuel into the cylinders with the engine off??
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 жыл бұрын
@@Garth2011 If you dump enough fuel in, yes.
@roxanneabbott8424
@roxanneabbott8424 3 жыл бұрын
Looking for part 2 to come!! Great diag Ivan!
@TractorWrangler01
@TractorWrangler01 3 жыл бұрын
You're 100% correct. Nice diagnosis. He will get better mileage and more power after you fix that.
@SonOfNone
@SonOfNone 7 ай бұрын
I've been fighting an issue in my '98 Yykon (5.7 vortec) for a couole months. When I bought it, I performed a full tuneup [iridium Spark plugs, wires, cap and rotor- all acdelco, air filter, oil change using Mobil1 high mileage full synthetic, K&N Gold high-flow oil filter]. Started out as hesitation at low idle, then progressed to hesitating and nearly dying unless the engine was cold, then progressed to the same but would even out if the RPM was above 2,000. I replaced bank 1 and 2 o2 sensors, no luck. Less than 3k miles after oil change, it was black and smelled of gas. I got to the point of thinking a valve was getting stuck, so I used Lucas full synthetic high mileage oil treatment, ran the engine above 2,000 RPM for several minutes, then noticed the problem was 90% solved- it runs much better, but not entirely perfect. So I presume my diagnosis is correct, and now I gotta dive in to the valve cover and inspect rocker arms and valves. Wish me luck.
@leroyconley5647
@leroyconley5647 3 жыл бұрын
This engine is known for intake manifold gaskets going bad at 100,000 miles. This is a strong possibility . I have 3000.00 miles on mine and have had to replace this gasket twice
@almartin9327
@almartin9327 4 ай бұрын
Good video....he walks you through his diagnosis and at the same time
@billziegmond4943
@billziegmond4943 3 жыл бұрын
As soon as I found that much vacuum out would come the Avoca Smoka! LOL
@circa366
@circa366 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for a solid diag video. Im no expert but I feel like Im on track now to find the right solution to my issue! Thanks!
@JSchrumm
@JSchrumm 3 жыл бұрын
Magical truck runs on no fuel, I want one.
@Discretesignals
@Discretesignals 3 жыл бұрын
Don't ever run the spark plug outside the cylinder like that unless you want to start an engine bay fire!
@jeffreyh1297
@jeffreyh1297 10 ай бұрын
Man Thanks for making this video you gave me a lot of pointers I been trying to find out why my 97 chevy had a misfire still at cylinder 8, I already replaced injectors and spark plugs this video really helped
@arsinoeivlostprincess4228
@arsinoeivlostprincess4228 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent! looking forward to pt 2. I caught the vac leak early on only because I watch all yours and fifteen or twenty others others every week for the last five or ten years. But I have little practical exp. Love this stuff but I'm glad I don't have to be doing it. Not a lot of stuff in the bay in the way...Should be interesting. With all the leaking the A/F ratio didn't change that much I guess it could compensate. See what you find.
@agmc4me
@agmc4me 3 жыл бұрын
Enjoy your labor day weekend. Can't wait for part 2
@farmermiyagi1338
@farmermiyagi1338 3 жыл бұрын
I always, ALWAYS check for intake problems on these engines. Vacuum in the crankcase is a dead giveaway.
@JamesSmith-xs7sr
@JamesSmith-xs7sr 2 ай бұрын
JUST went through this, 97 sierra 5.7. #5 misfire... (misfire constant, brought in from another shop, after they replaced all tune up parts.) # 5 spark plug bone dry, no fuel smell. Compression 165 psi. ALL injectors dropped 13 lbs during the drop test. Verify 3/4" air gap spark test. Run engine, fuel trim high bank 1 at idle. (Plus 20%) Fuel pressure stays around 54 psi, no drop after shut down. Owner replaced injector assy 2 years ago from Amazon. Noticed coolant reservoir low, topped off, pressurized, held stable for 1 hour. No signs of fuel in the plenum Remove intake, #5 & #7 injectors reversed! Owner said it ran good for awhile after replacement, wtf? Verify spray when activated, re installed proper. Run engine, still misfired UNTILL eng warm. Signs of coolant leakage rear of b/1 head. Replaced intake manifold gasket, NO misfiring, fuel trim under 10. I wasted a lotta time on this diag. Gotta think!
@Garth2011
@Garth2011 3 жыл бұрын
I would add onto the parts list, 8 plugs, a set of ignition wires and a PCV valve for good measure as they are all very old looking and the labor cost would mostly be included with the intake manifold gaskets or be greatly reduced. Spark plugs are cheap enough I wouldn't try to clean them and unless those ignition wires were replaced within 5 years or so, I'd replace them too. I believe the only internal concerns on those 5.7L are the exhaust valve stem seals tend to wear out by 76,000 to 100,000 miles.
@lovetolearn5253
@lovetolearn5253 3 жыл бұрын
You had me worried when I seen you giving up on the diag with the compression theory. I actually came across this before so I was thinking intake the whole time. Nice job.
@kellyd887
@kellyd887 2 жыл бұрын
What I need is a video on an OBD 1 88-95 GMC truck. Been trying to solve the mystery of a dead miss in open loop, that disappears as soon as the coolant temp reaches 40* C. Parts cannon has been fired, reloaded & fired again ! Lol Everything but the charcoal canister has been replaced and I do mean everything. I have no scanners or the knowledge to use them. Could be any thing from the wrong IAC counts to a sticking push rod. Been at this for 2 yrs now, sure wish I had you around for a day I'm sure you'd make short work of it. Love yer video's, love learning from you Bro, keep fighting the good fight my friend ! PS. I smoke tested it. If it is a vacuum leak its not the intake. 94 Yukon by the way
@moviemania1137
@moviemania1137 3 жыл бұрын
"Mystery misfire" ETCG: I'll just flush the engine with this caustic chemical. Also ETCG: The Odyssey engine blew up! I have the worst luck. 😂
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 жыл бұрын
He blew up the engine?? Did he diagnose the misfire? 🤔
@billziegmond4943
@billziegmond4943 3 жыл бұрын
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I watched that video. When he pulled the valve cover. He saw the engine was full of sludge. So he decided to do the engine flush. It was an Odyssey with the VCM system. When it shut down some cylinders. Those cylinders filled with oil and kaboom!
@lrdisco2005
@lrdisco2005 3 жыл бұрын
@@billziegmond4943 Flushing engines was something us oldies use to do. Modern engines with modern oil not worth the risk as Eric found out.
@DavidScheiber
@DavidScheiber 3 жыл бұрын
You guys didn't even watch all the videos, in the tear-down he discovered that the engine being locking up was caused by lack of oil. The oil pickup was clogged with sludge that he suspected was knocked loose by the oil flush additive. He then went on to say he does not recommend using oil flush additives. I think he even mentioned he does not like the stuff in the video of him using it but he said he would try it.
@moviemania1137
@moviemania1137 3 жыл бұрын
@@lrdisco2005 Yep! 😂
@ws2664
@ws2664 3 жыл бұрын
good job Ivan, even though parts will be required, your going to have to bite the bullitt and put them in
@cameltube-vk7el
@cameltube-vk7el Жыл бұрын
nice job. . . . . . . . .I am about to venture through some similar issues, I thank you for sharing bro!!! Part two I am in !
@lawsautomotive108
@lawsautomotive108 Жыл бұрын
Hey man, I was prompted to check this video out. You're pretty decent guy. You also know how to diagnose. Good video!
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Жыл бұрын
Welcome to the channel man!
@johnclamshellsp1969
@johnclamshellsp1969 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Had the same issue years ago on my 99 Tahoe. Please install the Vortec marine version intake gasket, made of Stainless steel and rubber seals.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 жыл бұрын
That's a great idea!
@johnclamshellsp1969
@johnclamshellsp1969 3 жыл бұрын
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics For the 1996 and later 5.7 Vortec/Mercruiser (all the same). Should be Felpro FEL-PRO MS 98000 intake set. Also, a must replace, Fel-Pro ES72224 Intake Manifold Bolt Set, they will be corroded to death. Another fail on rare occasions is the upper plenum, clean and look for cracks. If the vacuum leak issue is not fixed soon, the engine will become an internal water pump and suck all coolant into the block/pan areas. The engine will quickly overheat and crack the heads. I know this well, it happened to me. Take care John A 60107
@lavendersneppo
@lavendersneppo 3 жыл бұрын
Saw the RPM too high code and instantly thought of a vacuum leak in my mind haha
@mikechiodetti4482
@mikechiodetti4482 3 жыл бұрын
Common problem on these older GM engines. Make sure to use GM gaskets. If I remember right, GM updated that gasket.
@danielholtzapple7124
@danielholtzapple7124 2 жыл бұрын
That's the same thing my 95 gmc sierra 2500 5.7 did. Every 2 months I had to clean number 1 cylinder plug. It would completely fill the gap and the area around the electrode. I'd keep a new plug in glove box. Strangest thing was #1 would get fouled like that and #5 was white at tip. I don't care those gm 350s are monster tanks. Just got another one last month. Has a slight miss but that truck hauls weight and don't complain. The first 1 I bought I could pull 3 zero turns around up hills and all.
@ricktrent275
@ricktrent275 6 ай бұрын
I got a 97, just thought i'd check it out for future ref. All's ok now.
@frankjohn4302
@frankjohn4302 3 жыл бұрын
Good job iac was compensating for vacuum leak
@kerryb2689
@kerryb2689 3 жыл бұрын
I recently had an intermittent misfire at idle #6...was worst no load @1400 rpm, fine under load. Opened hood while running & #6 spark plug was shaking (it was loose). Tightened plug and now it's ok. Hard to believe that small of a vacuum leak caused a misfire, but it was close to the spark.
@here_to_watch2115
@here_to_watch2115 4 ай бұрын
Great video
@2packs4sure
@2packs4sure 3 жыл бұрын
I would bet that that A/C does need a charge because that compressor is pretty dang oily.
@ScottHenion
@ScottHenion 3 жыл бұрын
If I were doing an intake gasket, I'd also upgrade the spider injection to the improved one with real injectors. GM makes an upgrade kit that bolts right in. Better mileage and a bit more power. Not expensive compared to having to go in later and fix a popped off or cracked plastic injector tube.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 жыл бұрын
"If it ain't broke don't touch it " is my philosophy 😉
@noblesavage413
@noblesavage413 3 жыл бұрын
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics If it ain't broke, keep fixing it til it is!
@scraiga66
@scraiga66 3 жыл бұрын
Also makes engine less finicky about fuel pressure.
@bobbydelamar606
@bobbydelamar606 3 жыл бұрын
I hated those junky spider fuel injector systems.
@davidhollfelder9940
@davidhollfelder9940 Жыл бұрын
Hmm .. idle system .. intake leak (use unlit propane torch, point it at suspected leak spots .. RPM will change if propane gets in the intake), compression check .. head gasket checks …😮
@markamcampbell6340
@markamcampbell6340 3 жыл бұрын
remember the k.i.s.s. principle keep it simple, add what you want or feel like.
@crabcake43011
@crabcake43011 3 жыл бұрын
Nice shout out to Eric O.!👍
@kandkob
@kandkob 3 жыл бұрын
I would have sprayed engine start around number 5 inlet manifold to check for a vacuum leak, quickest way!
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 жыл бұрын
Except the leak is on the bottom side to the crankcase so spraying from the outside would be a fruitless endeavor :)
@kandkob
@kandkob 3 жыл бұрын
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Good to know. Love your vidios!
@randymarion2466
@randymarion2466 3 жыл бұрын
With a vacuum leak, shouldn't the fuel trims be out of whack?
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 жыл бұрын
Great question! Can you explain why they were NOT out of whack in this particular case?
@randymarion2466
@randymarion2466 3 жыл бұрын
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I have been thinking about that .... fuel trims get out of whack when unmetered air gets into the system somehow. In this case, it seems the intake manifold gasket has a leak into the crankcase creating abnormally high vacuum at idle. The MAP sensor monitors what is going on in the manifold... possibly it is compensating for the leak?
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 жыл бұрын
@@randymarion2466 You're on the right track with the "unmetered air" theory. In this case is the extra air being sucked through the crankcase vent hose metered by the MAF?
@paulstandaert5709
@paulstandaert5709 3 жыл бұрын
The first thing that came to mind were those plastic intake manifold gaskets. They will also tend to cause coolant loss and a rise in oil level.
@LoyF77
@LoyF77 Жыл бұрын
My 5.7 k1500 has had a misfire for several months..after replacing every single sensor including the ignition coil with the control module, and new distributor new plugs and wires and still misfire for several months, it turns out its the pick up coils in the new distributor. Go figure. I also replaced the spider fuel injectors with GM original injectors. Lesson learned
@OtisPlunk
@OtisPlunk 3 жыл бұрын
Ya don't know 'til ya know... Moral of the Story: Test... Don't Guess. Call Scotty and ask him to bring a box of cigars for a collaborative smoke test to demonstrate his technique.
@jefferywarburton2116
@jefferywarburton2116 3 жыл бұрын
It would be good to test the egr v. before taking off the intake but its prob. fine its not running that bad
@ludvigericson6930
@ludvigericson6930 3 жыл бұрын
Stuck EGR should not cause crankcase vacuum surely? Just terrible performance.
@jefferywarburton2116
@jefferywarburton2116 3 жыл бұрын
@@ludvigericson6930 Right thats why you test it while your there. buying intake gaskets.
@Hybriddiag
@Hybriddiag 3 жыл бұрын
Was waiting for new video🤙nice job
@ThatEEguy2818
@ThatEEguy2818 3 жыл бұрын
Why would an intake manifold gasket cause this? Is the mounting surface on the head open to the crankcase? If so, why?
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 жыл бұрын
Part 2 will explain that :)
@williamwhite9767
@williamwhite9767 3 жыл бұрын
I had 3 GM Goodwrench 350 V8s installed in my 86SS Monte Carlo. They would burn oil after a few thousand miles, all 3 of them. Two were replaced under warranty. Now that I have had a few years to think about it, I'm sure using RTV for an intake gasket was the problem and it was sucking oil from the lifter valley into the cylinders. I removed/replaced chevy V8 intake manifolds many times using gaskets and I never had an issue using gaskets. Ford uses it on the diff covers. I used it once and it leaked. I hate RTV when used as a gasket.
@ouch1011
@ouch1011 3 жыл бұрын
If you had put a pressure transducer in there, you would have caught the issue fast (or at least known it wasn’t fuel related). You would have seen abnormally HIGH running compression in that cylinder at idle along with low vacuum on the intake stroke (in the cylinder). You would have also seen it in the fuel trims, which I’m surprised you didn’t seem to look at given you thought it was a bad injector. As others have said, this is a common failure, especially if the gaskets were replaced with cheap ones at some point or if the manifold bolts weren’t torqued properly. Since there are so few bolts holding the manifold to the head on the vortec engines, they tend to suck the gaskets in like that if the gaskets don’t have enough support built into them. It’s not strictly a GM issue either. Toyota had a huge issue with this on the 1ZZ engines and I’ve seen it on Kias, Nissans and Fords as well. Glad you continued to look at it further and found the real problem rather than just sticking with your assumption that it was a compression issue.
@MrXyzasdf
@MrXyzasdf 3 жыл бұрын
Ivan, when you had the #5 spark plug out, how much more difficult would it have been to run a quick compression test on that cylinder?
@derrickodyes1934
@derrickodyes1934 3 жыл бұрын
on intermittant ac usually hi pressure switch on those. They drop out causing ac to shut off
@josephwash109
@josephwash109 3 жыл бұрын
Once I saw those crusty deposits on the spark plug, I figured the engine was burning oil. At first, I thought the valve stem seals were bad, as they harden and leak after prolonged service. However, given all the evidence, it's clear the intake manifold gasket is the main issue. If memory serves correct, there's a special torque sequence for the intake manifold on engines with Vortec heads. The center bolts must be torqued first, then the outer bolts. If it isn't done that way, the gasket will leak because the bolt angles are different.
@Randomgearhead
@Randomgearhead 3 жыл бұрын
Check them sticking valves. Seafoam will fix it. Or distributor cap is arcing through another cylinder
@derrickodyes1934
@derrickodyes1934 3 жыл бұрын
the misfire counters are there but relaxed on thes hd trucks over 8500 gvwr. If engine is sound almost always the spider even if they flow good
@nickloss
@nickloss 3 жыл бұрын
sounds like a leaking intake gasket, the reason they don't set a code is they usually seal up after driving a short while and the miss goes away. My 5.3 has a slightly bad gasket and if I let it idle for.a while in the winter It will start detecting a miss, goes away when you drive it.
@ToxicwasteProductions
@ToxicwasteProductions 3 жыл бұрын
Use some of the liquid sealent and make a new gasket with some goup :)
@BurningSteel69
@BurningSteel69 Жыл бұрын
I had a random misfire code -- I replaced the old loose, leaking GROMMET for PCV for a tight seal...now my '97 Silverado runs like new.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Жыл бұрын
Nice 👍
@julianparrott
@julianparrott 3 жыл бұрын
Ivan Maybe its has a diaphragm on the engine breather system. It could be split.
@nodieusa
@nodieusa 3 жыл бұрын
I believe my 99 Tahoe has the exact same issue and my mechanic just replaced the intake manifold gasket. Wonder if the gasket isn't seated properly. There goes more money (and labor)....
@jamesbruno5896
@jamesbruno5896 3 жыл бұрын
Nice diag Ivan!
@efrainpelaez1246
@efrainpelaez1246 7 ай бұрын
Excellent !!! Thank you.
@kittty2005
@kittty2005 3 жыл бұрын
I got my truck intake gaskets replaced at 175000 miles and drove it for another 145000 miles until the gas tank and fuel lines crapped out.
@kittty2005
@kittty2005 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah mine did the same leaked on all though.
@lylecheckeye6300
@lylecheckeye6300 3 жыл бұрын
Wonder if a smoke test would pinpoint the issue better ?? or the scanner danner method of water bottle with a tiny hole and spray around the area and listen for leak ? Great show
@mentaldemise
@mentaldemise 3 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't the long term fuel trims also be way positive? I had a massive leak around the intake snorkel thing and my fuel trims went down 25% when I sealed it up with RTV.
@bobbydelamar606
@bobbydelamar606 3 жыл бұрын
A smoke machine should find that leak, right?
@johnaclark1
@johnaclark1 3 жыл бұрын
Not on an internal vacuum leak.
@tam1381
@tam1381 3 жыл бұрын
Fuel trims ?.
@SawmillerSmith
@SawmillerSmith 3 жыл бұрын
I had a 5.7 that I had to replace the intake gasket because of a coolant leak.. must be a common problem.
@aciddiver1978
@aciddiver1978 Жыл бұрын
Its a good thing to use injection cleaner once a year, regardless the car.
@billsmith2212
@billsmith2212 3 жыл бұрын
If that leak is unmetered air , wouldn't the fuel trim numbers be rich because the lean condition would call for more fuel to be added ?
@jmplants
@jmplants 3 жыл бұрын
Spider pump had to do it to mine
@arthurfricchione8119
@arthurfricchione8119 3 жыл бұрын
Ivan interesting video. Hope you and your wife have a safe and enjoyable Labor Day weekend. You mentioned the SUR R fuel connection kit. Do you have a part number? Try to adapt a fuel gauge to my 3.5 J series engine. I have the Honda fuel pressure gauge but need fittings to hook it up. Can you recommend a kit? Thanks buddy 😊👍 Artie
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 жыл бұрын
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@georgebonney90
@georgebonney90 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir 🇺🇸
@watsisbuttndo829
@watsisbuttndo829 3 жыл бұрын
Strange its not absolutely smokescreening the neighborhood with a vacuum leak like that.
@matthewnorton4529
@matthewnorton4529 Жыл бұрын
I need your help my truck with throw random miss fire and when I am at 60mph and pinch it I will get stumble like I'm running out of gas then I let off let the idle go down a little then start driving Normal again
@garymallard4699
@garymallard4699 3 жыл бұрын
You have to go back to old school sometimes...these computer codes are helpful but just covering the basics is always your Plan A.... Plugs can be bad...Wires can be too.... Swap the plug....Swap the wires ( to see if the misfire follows ).... They still operate Old School...techs spend too much time staring at the screen and less time understanding how the engine runs..
@JoseLopez-nv7tg
@JoseLopez-nv7tg 8 ай бұрын
Same problem for me I've replaced everything still misfire
@jasonmcnamara2079
@jasonmcnamara2079 3 жыл бұрын
Silverado, why dont you come to your senses?. Good ole eagles songs, sort of.
@wcmwfab935
@wcmwfab935 2 жыл бұрын
So there should be no vacuum in the crank case, with the pcv valve blocked? I have vacuum in the crank case when I rev it. No vacuum leak at idle.
@geraldfields8802
@geraldfields8802 3 жыл бұрын
Throttle plate shaft bushing worn?
@think2cre81
@think2cre81 Жыл бұрын
Great videos, sir . I have the same problem right now with my 1997 Silverado 1500 5.7 vortex engine. How much should it cost to replace those intake manifold gaskets? I already replaced the plugs and plug wires and caps and distributor cap and rotor. And checked for exterior vacuum leaks . So I'm down to this exact issue with my number 5 cylinder code . Please if you or anyone else reads this message. What it will cost to replace those intake gaskets. Thank you 😊
@Walczyk
@Walczyk 2 жыл бұрын
wouldn't a leaking gasket just equalize pressure to atmosphere? like you're saying a big vaccum leak is causing high vacuum?
@gtemnykh
@gtemnykh 3 жыл бұрын
Chevy THUNDER
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah bro!
@engeneer_ru5827
@engeneer_ru5827 3 жыл бұрын
Однажды, мне понадобился дымогенератор. Я сделал его из сигареты и пластиковой бутылки :)))
@jdtractorman7445
@jdtractorman7445 3 жыл бұрын
In part 2 maybe a smoke test to see leak point?
@kota7824
@kota7824 6 ай бұрын
Woke up to Labor Day to this
@kellismith4329
@kellismith4329 2 жыл бұрын
I have had to replace that spider injector in mine before - is there some way you can access the individual injectors to energize without using a scan tol on these trucks ?
@beverlyroemer5161
@beverlyroemer5161 3 жыл бұрын
I have a thought 💭 or maybe question 🙋🏼‍♀️ would the misfire not be throwing the code or detected because it doesn’t drive fast enough or long enough because it’s driven around as a farm truck 🛻 or does that not really matte?.?.?.
@manuelcontreras6223
@manuelcontreras6223 Жыл бұрын
I had the same problem on mine ended up being the distributor.
@renderingrocks
@renderingrocks 3 жыл бұрын
When I was in this business, regular customers in for even an oil change would get an intake snugging. Of course, tune ups always had an intake check.
@dans_Learning_Curve
@dans_Learning_Curve 3 жыл бұрын
How much of a turn on the bolts did you get? I'm fairly certain that the GMs 3.1/3.4 engines intake gasket failures was due to having too small, to few bolts that loosened up causing a leak.
@renderingrocks
@renderingrocks 3 жыл бұрын
@@dans_Learning_Curve At times a 1/4 turn or so. Some you could have spun out without tools. This was in the early 90's with all the V8's and V6's. The owner of the garage I worked at told me on the first day that we fix cars here. I kinda looked at him funny, but it was a thorough diagnosis, not just sell parts. The regular oil change service could take 45 minutes depending on the vehicle.
@sergeyspirin4539
@sergeyspirin4539 3 жыл бұрын
Привет, Иван ! А такого ещё у тебя не было . зазор на реперном диске на crank sensor.
@davide.s.9880
@davide.s.9880 3 жыл бұрын
WOW !
@jamesm568
@jamesm568 Жыл бұрын
Upper intake manifold seals?
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