Dealer Stumped for 2 MONTHS?! Land Rover Intermittent No-Crank (Part 1)

Buckle up...Today we have another fancy Euro SUV to diagnose...
A clean 2018 Land Rover Discovery with only 22k miles!
Customer said that most of the time the car REFUSES TO CRANK.
Also the radio SPEAKERS stopped working when this problem started early this year.
Local Dealer and Indy shop in Missouri couldn't figure it out for 3 MONTHS, so he had it towed to PA 17 hours away!! WHAT?!
Pressure is on...can we make heads or tails of this computerized contraption?
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Enjoy!
Ivan

[@mph5896]

I dropped off some waste at a drop off day. It was a drive up setup in which you aren’t suppose to get out of your car. The lady could not figure out how to close the tailgate on my suv. She was looking all over for a button. I told her to manually pull it down and close it😂

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

😆🤣

[@antonoudenhoven7573]

The fact that people are taking 17 hour car rides to come to you is a major compliment 😊

[@scott8919]

It also means he better get it right the first time because not many owners would like to have the problem persist after bringing the car all the way back.

[@icanfartloud]

17 hour rides aren't what they used to be.......rrrr

[@teekay_1]

It's also an indictment of the auto industry that they can't develop self-diagnosing cars. This should be easy for them by now.

[@frnkjones40]

@@teekay_1 you mean they WON'T

[@frnkjones40]

@@scott8919 Shipping cost is the customer's choice and responsibility. Ivan is no more responsible than the local stealership.

[@zoidberg444]

I work at a factory where we make parts for these. One day the big bosses from JLR come round in an assortment of Landrovers and Jags. One of them won't start when they come to leave. He hitched a ride back to Solihull with one of the other gaffers. He leaves the keys with our logistics office says a guy will be down to fix it. Guy from the major rectification department comes down and is sat outside with 3 laptops all afternoon and in the end he calls a transporter to take it away. 😂 No way would I ever own one of these. 😮

[@mikefoehr235]

That bad eh. I have owned 4 Toyotas now. They are ALMOST infallible. My 20 Tundra with the 5.7 v8 is just so much fun to drive. These things almost never break.

[@kwinterburn]

Excellent story , mate of mine had one he got banned by the AA because if the number of times he needed recovered

[@zoidberg444]

@@kwinterburn Holy shit mate. When I was a young lad with no money I owned a Punto for 14 months and that had the AA out 7 times in about 2 months and they didn't ban me. 😐

[@paulsz6194]

You would think after all this time and how perpetually unreliable these cars are, they would turn to Toyota and hire some consultants from them to go over their product engineering and create a template towards reliability for them. Could you imagine how much more popular Land Rovers/ Range Rovers would be , if they had at least 80% of the reliability of a Toyota?

[@zoidberg444]

@@paulsz6194 The story of the British car industry is almost a Greek tragedy in scope mate. At one point Austin Rover owned Jaguar and Landrover but after it was broken up by BMW in 2000 they were sold to Ford after BMW stole a lot of the development ideas and technology from the Range Rover that it needed to produce the X5 and stole the Mini brand name and the factory in Cowley, Oxfordshire. Austin Rover had, had an alliance with Honda in the 1980's and into the 90's as Honda entered the UK market and was building cars in Swindon and used Rover as a means to learn how operate with a European workforce. Toyota, Honda and Nissan all make (or made) cars in the UK and have extensive operations with their various sub-manufacturers here. I am shocked that JLR hasn't tried to take advantage of it or make some kind of alliance to secure Japanese electronic components and wiring looms or tried to cooperate with Honda to engineer some aspects of their vehicles like they did when they were part of Austin Rover. If memory serves the Freelander was based on a floor pan from a Honda vehicle that was cancelled and I would guess the K-series engines that MG Rover used at the end were probably inspired by what they learned working with Honda. I have to say having some knowledge of the way JLR do business is that they are selling a very luxury product but brutally penny pinching on its manufacture.

[@Banditt42]

Reminds me of the Married with Children episode where Marci and Jefferson were bragging about how awesome their European cars were, and the dealer was sending them pictures of their cars because the cars were in the shop for months.

[@pigyear88]

Not many remember Married with Children, great show. Wish Christina Applegate good health.

[@onenikkione]

I thought that I had seen all of the MWC episodes but I was wrong

[@WECB640]

Towing your car from Missouri to Pennsylvania to have it repaired shows you just how special and rare Ivan is! Sadly, there are fewer and fewer mechanics who UNDERSTAND the problem and are able to diagnose it properly. The old ones are retired and their replacements are simply following an algorithm on their computer screens instead of using their brains. As they say, "The cream always rises to the top". Keep up the EXCELLENT work Ivan!

[@vadim7590]

Old ones aren't that great at diagnosis either because they never worked on tech like this. Ivan is perfect blend of old and new generation mechanics, and that is rare.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Understanding the systems is absolutely essential... I had several hours of research into this Rover!

[@phreakyzeke5824]

Or just the majority of techs in this country are worthless.

[@InsideOfMyOwnMind]

So then the question is what are new car owners to do? There doesn't seem to be a way out for them. My solution was to find an old well proven, well supported platform and just do whatever it takes to keep it fresh. That only goes so far until perts are just completely unavailable but should take me to the end of my driving days. I don't envy those who have to deal with this mess.

[@michaelgleason4791]

​@@InsideOfMyOwnMindYou buy a new car. It's the Apple business model.

[@mikefoehr235]

I call them Land Rover Recovery. To be fair, removing a fuse is not the fault of the maker tho. For those who own a LR...GOOD LUCK...you will need it.

[@chekelley6861]

Ivan: “ an F-18 Hornet? I’ve never worked on one before, I might as well learn. Bring it over!”

[@v12alpine]

I'd love to see a spontanious F35 ejection seat diagnosis

[@josephdavis4201]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@GoldenGun-Florida]

Another success because you take the time to actually DIAGNOSE the problem rather than guess and toss parts at it.

[@psychodad1961]

Maybe they pulled that 40 amp AAM fuse to try and cure the battery draw?

[@lynxstarautomotive208]

That door sounds like the door on a 77 Malibu that’s been sitting under a tree in a field for 10 years 😂

[@bradjames3555]

iv succesfully programmed Jaguar and landrovers using a downloaded version of JLR SDD software and a Bosch MDI VCI, one thing about these cars is they are very finicky about battery voltage, 12.8 volts minimum or problems follow, the reason its starts after you have got it started is that you have put enough charge in it, but if you leave it to discharge below 12.8 then it will have problems. obviously there is something draining the vital voltage from the battery.

[@chrissmith7655]

Hi Ivan, part 2 ASAP, can't wait!!! Love this one although you may not haha. Many thanks from not far from where this could have been built,,, Liverpool UK,, in old Ford factory.

[@peanuts2105]

It’s built in Slovakia along with the Defender. Designed and engineered in Coventry, England

[@dans_Learning_Curve]

"I'm sure that fuse is okay." Yeah, it's okay! Being protected from any current hidden away! Several years ago, purchased a '93 Taurus. 3.8 Long story short, the seller removed the fuse for the instruments because the check engine light was on. I figured that out when I coasted into a gas station when I ran out of fuel. Then I started searching for the fuel gauge problem. Thought I had narrowed it down to the slosh module. Took the module to a Ford dealership to see if they could test it for me. The mechanic said, check out fuse #7. Sure enough, it was missing. Put a fuse in, however long it took to light up the CEL for an O2 code. Yep, just needed a sensor. So much for being short! LoL 😅😆

[@canadatransistor]

I know my 22 buick has logic associated with driver seat to not start if it thinks you are not seated in the driver's seat. I immediately noticed your comment on hard seats on the opening scenes and thought of this prior point.

[@ckm-mkc]

Totally agree - there is a module preventing start and it was setting a code that got cleared and sets intermittently.

[@chriscochran8079]

I love watching your videos as they all have information relevant to troubleshooting, unlike so many others on KZbin that are just trying to get views and that KZbin money @ford_boss_me

[@ToxicwasteProductions]

Those fuses are really good at walking away by them selfs. They have two legs after all. I've seen that way to many times. People yank fuses and don't know why things don't work any more 🤪

[@markcollins457]

The diagnostic work and repairs that you do is spot on, but at some point you would think when will these restrictions they impose on these cars to protect people from themselves has to stop. These modules are so interdependent the basics of an automobile can't function. My neighbor has a 2023 Defender 4x4 with all the outback stuff hanging off, and it has been retrieved 3 times out of the driveway on a rollback, and you can't tow it for damage to the drive train. This thing won't survive a trip to the mall.

[@davidhall3747]

I own the 2010 Land Rover LR 4. Much more reliable than that 2023 Defender.

[@litz13]

Ivan and his sandals. Love it. At least he's wearing a shirt (for once) ... Ahh, I see later in the video, normal service is resumed.

[@leardi58]

Haaa you left us hanging I think with a software update and seeing if there is still a parasitic draw with that fuse you might have this licked nice work everything is computers I like the old days when you could wrench on your own vehicle

[@jonathanharmon]

Service Mode is not used in North American market. We don’t use InControl Secure here. As a Jaguar Land Rover Shop Foreman for 18 years you’ve piqued my interest with this one.

[@user-ut6ji8my2h]

This entire group of videos is absolutely remarkable. This is such a great display of how damned complicated and user unfriendly these vehicles have become. What an incredible miasma of techno-crap.

[@billziegmond4943]

Love the Euro Trash. Best advice I ever got was from a Master Sgt. He told me R.T.F.M. I had a puzzled look and he said "READ THE F*ING MANUAL!

[@ping_me1vp]

every new car tranny engine, central gateway if it has one or immobilizer always need to be online for any veh. to startfor starter land range rover is just a piece of junk ford mexican made gabbbage

[@captaindunsell8568]

There might be two additional batteries to check … one for the sos TCU control module … and a small motorcycle size battery in one of the back side panels

[@timbo19751975]

Both batteries are under the bonnet ( hood ) on these - the start stop battery is well hidde n tho.

[@tofadeisastart]

The smartest tech on the east coast. Doing all his work in jeebus sandals 😂

[@southhillfarm2795]

This is more exciting than watching old Batman reruns. It’s real, it’s raw, it’s Ivan.

[@htownblue11]

When Ivan starts a video with a chuckle…..you know it’s gotta be something crazy and intense. Awesome. 2 part video for the weekend!

[@timkis64]

i can appreciate how you narrow down the possibilities to the problem.very educational.you do nice & thourough work.a pleasure to watch a master at his art.

[@dnlmachine4287]

9:15 "Why??" (Head shake of disbelief). That 3 seconds sums up about 50% of everything in the auto industry today. Stay gold.

[@simonsackett]

At 12:30 my diagnosis is: Say sorry to owner, give the car back, add "No Land Rovers" to website, move on with your life.

[@fluffyblue4006]

I think this is a nice example of built-in after-sales business for the dealer network. Unfortunately, dealers are not keeping up and won't be able to own this extra revenue stream. Apparently they didn't even bother to read up on their TSBs. Anyway, I'm sure it will be an easy fix, once Ivan figured it out. Hardest thing will be to get tooled up as a dealer would already be. Or should be.

[@marscruz]

A perfect symbol to illustrate the continuing Fall of the British Empire. Triumph motorcycles had the good sense to build their bikes in Thailand. Land Rover? Who knows where they are built?

[@robinsonsauto]

That’s a huge compliment Ivan! Thank you for all you do

[@bombardier3qtrlbpsi]

Time to mow the lawn. Need more horses 😆😆 Nice job 👍 thanks for sharing a pain in the ass case study!

[@nickjones1505]

Telematics module is failing. Pretty common issue in JLR world. Unfortunately most aftermarket scan tools don't show the TCU

[@covak2002]

Same module used in other brands

[@user-qc3mg3pp2s]

Its VERY comforting to know you are 15 mins from my home when my car go down.

[@stephensams709]

For a luxury vehicle, the door sure doesn't sound too solid when you close it.

[@randy1ization]

I was thinking the same thing,, it rattles and sounds dinky...

[@milantrcka121]

At least it stays closed...

[@petepeabody8905]

great find on the radio volume. I'll bet the ultimate fix will be just as simple. Always enjoy new issues

[@EATSLEEPFARM]

I can see this being a trend with people from all over bringing you vehicles thats if you wanna take them on. Great stuff Ivan 👍looking forward to part 2

[@stevenakn1]

Man the sound of that door closing 😢

[@rkan2]

Rattle rattle

[@davidgrisco1939]

I thought the same thing

[@rodx5571]

I have adopted a diagnostic method from you. I bought a spiral notebook and document diagnostic methodology in progress. Wiring diagrams and such. Good method. Nice to have a clean slate. It has helped already when the "did you try this.....or this" is asked.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

That is awesome!

[@pantherplatform]

Dealerships specialize in oil changes and tire rotations. They do not specialize in the diagnostic troubleshooting procedure. If they're not throwing parts at it, they're not working.

[@tracydiller9378]

Great part 1 Ivan very interesting, looking forward to part 2.

[@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT]

That's another over-complicated vehicle, with mysterious actions being taken before it got there! Good job finding a missing fusible link, Ivan! Maybe there are other? I have a feeling this will test your patience, once you don't have access to the proprietary diagnostic tool. Like you told Jake earlier, this is going to be epic :-) Let's wait for Part 2.

[@KallePihlajasaari]

Yep, the loss of audio and draining battery symptom may point to a fault in the AAM and the 40A link was pulled to eliminate that which made the intermittent harder to diagnose.

[@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT]

@@KallePihlajasaari That's a good point!

[@OceanDriveSpeeder]

Hell the car is Totaled Out in shop time.

[@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT]

@@OceanDriveSpeeder Yep, but sometimes is the challenge that wins 🙂

[@alext8828]

I worked at an Olds dealer in '68. If you stepped on the brake with the flashers on the radio would play with without the key in. Cars have been screwy for a long time and they're getting worse. Get a Chebby.

[@vlratcliffe1]

The fastest and best way to sort out a landrover discovery (there be other mechanics will agree) is box matches an 5 gallons petrol(gas) pore al the gas all over the inside the landrover the light the box matches an chuck them in the landrover an stand well back ..admire your time and dedication on dealing with the problem. .so you never have any problems with that landrover ever again...

[@brianw8963]

I don’t know which is worse, these things or the Mercedes, but they make for some great weekend mornings. 👍👍🇺🇸

[@fredautos]

Let's just see how the discovery Goes!🎉

[@johndoyle4723]

The problem is it is a Land Rover, they are notoriously unreliable. Good luck, I await part 2.

[@Izzy111R]

Jaguar Land Rover products have a terrible reputation for reliability here in the UK. What amazes me is you see lots of them on the roads though.

[@mikefoehr235]

As bad as they are, the German aren't much better. In the old days yes...now, No way. German expensive junk. Kind of sad that Germans are declining to British Quality

[@justinhayward5027]

Everything made these days is junk. Reliable enough to get you into another new one. Remember main job of any maker of anything is to make you buy a new one. Not to keep your old one. That’s why they don’t make anything quality anymore.

[@mikefoehr235]

@@justinhayward5027 my 2nd gen Tundra will buck that trend

[@Izzy111R]

@@justinhayward5027 The worrying thing is that some of them are close to £100,000 pounds on the road. How people can afford them is beyond me.

[@calholli]

I've seen on other vehicles that "Auxiliary control module" -- is typically a Trailer module. Maybe for a trailer brake or whatever else. But "auxiliary is a broad term, so it could be anything.

[@tecnaman9097]

The bookies are taking bets on how many 'parts' (episodes) to solve this one lol!! Missouri to State College wow. That's like me sending a breakdown from Melbourne to Brisbane. JLR where only the brave will venture. Order up extra popcorn folks. Go Ivan☺☺

[@tomhelsby5546]

Hey Ivan I followed your instructions when I was having trouble with the EPB on my 2015 Mazda CX5. I followed the Mazda instructions step by step to put the braking system into service mode and the bloody thing still went wrong (one side brake on and one side brake off) followed your online video and managed to sort it out. Thanks. Tom Liverpool UK

[@mkilptrick]

I keep asking myself, how does a sane person like Ivan keep his sanity while working on these insane vehicle problems?

[@rodx5571]

Lots of tender loving....medication mixed with alcohol.

[@glasser2819]

using diagrams and data to workout thoughts

[@davidhall3747]

Two of my vehicles are very sophisticated. The BMW 760i and the Land Rover LR 4. I'm a Mechanical Engineer specialing in, HVAC, Plumbing & Automotive Diagnostics. It's challenging to diagnose European Cars & Trucks, but it's not that hard for me.

[@peterduxbury927]

The simplicity of an early Beetle. Reliability with no longer-term worries about the Land Rover's onboard computers (like the HAL 9000) that decides if you get to your appointments - or even back home again. My '71 Beetle (owned 20 years) ALWAYS starts.

[@lvsqcsl]

You looked like you were having fun playing with those "fancy-pants" buttons in the back. I live across the river from Missouri and it takes me 12 hours to drive to Clarion, Pennsylvania. Its about another 4 hours from there to the Furnace. Is that the farthest someone has come from? Great video!

[@dpeagles]

It seems to me anytime a dealer looks at a car that doesn't malfunction every time or if the problem isn't glaring they just "cannot duplicate", charge you $120, and move on about their day. One of the problems with flat rate coupled with lack of integrity and knowledge.

[@mph5896]

I guarantee they would be more than happy to keep looking at it on the clock. And they should charge to look at an issue, even if they cannot duplicate it. Do you work for free, I sure don’t.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

This one was under extended warranty, so how they could keep the car for 2 months without repairing it is beyond me lol

[@dpeagles]

@@mph5896 I have no problem with that. But that isn't what happens. What happens is they spend 30 minutes scanning for codes. Throw their hands up, charge you for an hour and a half fee, and give the car back. They are always in a rush. Turning over cars = money

[@ehsnils]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Wait until warranty expires, then return it.

[@neilmurphy845]

​@@ehsnilsThat is smack on

[@mikechiodetti4482]

How many times we've been stumped by a fuse, either missing or blown. I can understand why this euro has problems. Difficult to get Service Info and WAY overmoduled! You're one of a kind Ivan! Good One! Looking forward to the next video.

[@rodx5571]

early in my career as a tech, i spent 2 hours tracking down a malfunctioning AC compressor. Power loss, all sensors checked as they interrupt clutch power blah blah blah. I finally checked the fuse. Blown, i put in a new one, blows instantly, unplugged compressor, replace fuse, fuse i good, test light lights ( 5 minutes of diagnostics). New method, step 1 check fuses ha ha. That was 20 years ago.

[@lynxstarautomotive208]

@@rodx5571 now it’s not that simple. Compressor can use a clutch and a pulse width modulated solenoid that control output. Some don’t even use a clutch anymore. Instead run all the time, with said solenoid on 0% duty cycle to prevent internal operation.

[@rodx5571]

​​@@lynxstarautomotive208over 20 years in trade. I am aware. I check PWM duty cycle on compressor control with scope on those. A visual inspection will determine which you have. Back when that was new I diagnosed many. Chrysler. Was first U.S. manufacturer to use it. Since they were Diamler at the time.

[@lynxstarautomotive208]

@@rodx5571Yep direct drive compressor. Dumbest switch they made in the industry since R1234YF.

[@rodx5571]

@@lynxstarautomotive208 I have made money on both. mine is the only shop with a 1234yf machine. I automatically get every body shops business within 30 miles in any direction. Cant complain. Hold on to your hat, next is Co2 as a refrigerant. Its being developed as we speak.

[@vernowen2083]

I stopped you at 16:00. The reason is the TCU battery is bad and not holding a charge or the TCU itself has a parasitic draw, killing the battery. Will finish watching now, to see if I'm right.

[@haiderabed5843]

I’ve had similar issue I ended up replacing the battery cable and the Range started right up . GOOD LUCK!

[@davidhall3747]

Battery Cables are replaced for having a Voltage Drop problem, not a Software update/ Module problem.

[@robertt3551]

How did you know to replace the cable?

[@davidhall3747]

@@robertt3551 Set your DVOM to DC voltage and place one Probe on the Battery Post and the other Test lead/ Probe on the Battery Terminal. You should read Zero Volts. Any voltage higher than Zero Volts indicates Voltage Drop.

[@dominikweber4005]

I learned to not have any interest in owning anything newer than 2012. I can just inagine how many headaches ive already avoided. Great work

[@howiej4084]

Start by replacing the multitude of backup batteries and go from there. It is about the right age for Li-ion batteries to go kaput.

[@Jpilgrim30]

Think that’s bad? We just had a dealership pick up a 2024 Malibu from a local yard where the new cars get dropped off and barely made it down the road to my shop. The car had 12 miles on it. Had a bad connection at the PCM causing the crank sensor to lose its ground. PCM connector had a single terminal that had some white grease that looked like lithium grease on it. That particular terminal was labeled Sensor ground and was the only larger terminal in that particular connector. All terminals had great tension. Cleaned that grease off and treated that connector with some stabilant 22a and no more issues. First time I’ve had to fix a car with less than 20 miles on it. Looks like someone had already toyed with it trying to fix an issue. Craziest thing.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Wow that's nuts! How did it even go 12 miles 😂

[@Sandmansa]

I just had a customer bring in one of those today. But his is a 2020 Land Rover Discovery 110. All he wanted was front brake pads and an oil change. He told me that the dealer wanted over 3k to do just that.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Whaaaat 3k? That's exotic car prices!

[@robertt3551]

Reliable Land Rovers are exotic...

[@swalmerfrompa]

Ivan, I really admire your determination to get to the problem on these Land Rovers. I had a 1994 Discovery years ago, loved the vehicle, after two years of ownership it started running terrible and sometimes would not start. I took it to a Land Rover dealer three times and an independent euro shop once, no one could figure it out. When I was forced to trade it in, It felt like having my favorite dog taken to the vet to be put down 😢. Love the vehicles with their unique style and personality, but I don't think I will own another due to the lack of aftermarket support and terrible dealer attitude and service. In retrospect, it was probably something simple that caused the issue. Seem like Land Rover is using more unreliable electronic tech from the Germans, a step in the wrong direction regarding reliability.

[@leah_desha]

​@@davidhall3747I can't get mine into park But I know there's something electrical going on. If I were to unhook the battery what kind of problems would it cause? I'm looking for some sort of reset.... I have a 2016 Discovery sport.( Sorry didn't mean to butt in... I just took an opportunity here)

[@davidhall3747]

@@leah_desha I replied to you, but the comment disappeared. Let me know if you are still looking for advice.

[@frnkjones40]

How many points of failure do you need? Yes

[@tlo35]

Cars are so complicated now days.. you almost need some background on software or computer knowledge. Happy to see Ivan’s repair on this car.

[@davidhall3747]

Your right. You need to be a Data Analyst to understand modern cars and trucks Firmware.

[@wyattoneable]

Very interesting indeed. I'm glad you got the lawn mowed. :)

[@jamesschantz582]

Love those birds singing!

[@tonyb1968]

Electrical gremlins are featured in every Land Rover. I warned my neighbor. His wife really, really had to have one. Two years later and two lemon-law buy backs. I think he's finally convinced. They are expensive junk. It would stall in traffic. No restart, all display power off. Brand new vehicle.

[@rbf1racing141]

Chrysler 5 star tech here, had Caravan no start, no crack, no power. Found that if fob was cycled 5 times, 5th time van would power up , crank and start, every time. Checked module for fob, ( not push button start), some had spliced aftermarket Garman unit between the TIPM and fob module, removed the Garman setup, replace fob module, and tested cycle fob 25 times and no failure, but system failed after a week went by. Checked system and found TIPM had memory issues. Tryed to reset TIPM, but would not rest to resolve the issue. Replaced TIPM , configured, and problem was resolved.

[@boosteddiesel1834]

I bet the dealer “checked” the fuse then put it back in the wrong slot. Can’t wait for the next part. Some jaguars have a problem where if some cheap diagnostics are used to connect to the cluster it can effect it where it never goes into shit down mode again and keeps flattening battery.

[@leeross7896]

I got in an argument with a Range Rover owner and I said why do people buy those things, those are horribly unreliable cars? He said some people care about other things more than reliability. I just shook my head and walked away.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Lol!

[@davidhall3747]

He had a good point. I bought my Land Rover because it is considered the best All Climate and All Terrain Vehicle in the world 🌎.

[@robertt3551]

Not if you're in the african kalahari and you're being chased by a pack of lions and you can't get your LR started. No, real off-roaders would never take a LR off trail. They may never get back alive.

[@davidhall3747]

@@robertt3551 The Toyota Land Cruiser is a better choice for the situation you mentioned.

[@iHelpSolveIt]

​@@robertt3551❤ Toyota or VW😂😂

[@DomManInT1]

I do roadside assistance. I have had a lot of difficulty jump starting on many newer vehicles when the main battery voltage drops below 12 volts for any reason. I suspect it might be something similar in this case. Sometimes I have to totally disconnect the battery and allow any residual power to drain off. Then I can reconnect the battery and add jumper cables and start the vehicle.

[@wazza33racer]

It really helps when all the fuses are present.

[@mattyb7736]

I'm amazed it made it out of warranty without exploding, it's a land rover after all

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

22k whopping miles 😂👍

[@kevin9c1]

The only thing to add is to make sure that battery is the proper spec (probably AGM) battery. It said Super Start Platinum so it may be but recommend confirming that.

[@greg778123]

What a cliffhanger You always get us like that 😂

[@boderick1]

Land Rover trying to live to it's reputation going above and beyond usually means above the road on ramps and beyond repair as most service centres don't have your analytical brain or patience, great video

[@stephenjones9153]

Hey Ivan i love the Background singing at 06:24 onwards 👍👍it's way way better than KZbin music. 😉👍👍👍

[@timothykelly7974]

When he described the symptoms, I had experienced similar problem and it turned out to be a faulty crankshaft position sensor. Now going to watch the rest of the video to see if I am correct.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Faulty crank sensor would prevent the engine from cranking? Never seen that before on any vehicle lol!

[@HotRod-wv4vm]

Awesome can’t wait to see the follow up

[@HeyBirt]

So, you need an app to use your car now? No thanks! I'm an electronics guy who loves computers, but I don't want to have to staple my cell phone to my forehead to be able to use my car. I have been pondering why dealers seem to avoid working on any slightly problematic vehicle. It seems that the factory trained mechanics at the dealership would be the best equipped and most experienced to handle any problem, but especially the tricky ones. It does not seem likely that every dealership hires only incompetent mechanics. I thought is that the technicians themselves must actively avoid taking on such a task as they don't want to be married to it. A problematic machine might take many hours and multiple attempts to track down the problem. If the tech faces not being paid for their full diagnostic time or for 'callback' time, then they might want to avoid working on anything difficult. With my limited experience with dealerships though I doubt the competency of many dealership techs. I bought a new car, which had a minor problem show up in short order. Two weeks at dealership and they could not figure it out. Took it to another dealership who I don't even think looked at it. When I finally got the factory service manual it took about 15 minutes of looking at wiring diagrams and tapping on a temperature sensor with a screwdriver handle to diagnose the fault. I had to tell the dealership exactly what part was bad to get them to replace it.

[@awakenotwoke1973]

Saying "I don't get to work on Land Rovers that much..." reminds me I don't get to put my hand in boiling hot oil that much...

[@chrissaul5609]

Love your channel as it’s very informative. Does your Car Pitch workshop do additional MOT or mechanical work for customers? Thanks

[@davidhall3747]

Thanks Ivan for working on a Land Rover as promised. I own the 2010 Land Rover LR 4. 2016 was the last year they made them. It has the Luxury Trim Package. Heated, Steering Wheel, Heated Seats. Seating for 7. Premium Sound System, Three Sun Roofs, Voice Command, and a Refrigerator in the Center Console. It had a serious Fuel delivery problem when It was bought. The Fuel Line Quick Connect Fitting kept popping off inside the Fuel Tank. It was a tough diagnosis because the problem is virtually unheard of. I got it running and heard the Timing Chains Rattle in the front of the Engine. Land Rover was sued for manufacturing a defective Timing Chain Guide. They have since settled the case and came out with a new and improved Timing Chain Guide. The Truck has a V 8 (5) Liter Engine. It is a Ford Engine that has (4) Camshafts and looks similar to a Ford Coyote 🐺 Engine. I am currently tearing down the Engine to swap out the Timing Chains, Guides, Tensioners, Water Pump, Thermostat, Fuel Injectors, and the Brake Booster Vacuum Pump.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Good luck!

[@davidhall3747]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Thanks, it's a Land Rover not a Toyota, so I'm going to need to be fortunate as far as reliability is concerned.

[@robertt3551]

You must have a lot of time on your hands!

[@davidhall3747]

​@@robertt3551My full-time job gives me 167 days a year off as a Engineering Consultant. I work remotely and work for fun.

[@gedtierney374]

Hi from the UK. I had a very similar problem. Land Rover dealership eventually said it was down to a module that thought the car had been in an accident and as a result the module shut everything down. The car had never been in an accident. They changed the module and the car has been running ok. However when I had the car completely checked over by them so I could put the car under their warranty scheme, they said it comes up with another fault but it would cost thousands to locate the particular module.

[@lstein3372]

The white H like plastic clip is there to help you replace fuses. Clip one end on the fuse and pull straight out.

[@robertelwell9360]

20 years ago I arranged a mortgage for a husband and wife who both worked at the same Land Rover dealership. First thing they told me was "don't buy one". Then they told me when new cars come in they have to go round with a Philips screwdriver tightening everything up

[@Mikelp73]

The buttons in the tailgate are a bit much but the nerd that I am loves them. It’s kinda cool

[@markdavis2475]

Nice channel! It's a bit like the Diagnose Dan channel. Why is it mainstream dealers are incapable of basic fault finding?!

[@UToobSteak]

I'm pretty handy around cars, but these diags blow my mind

[@jeffryblackmon4846]

Too many modules to cause problems. simpler is better IMHO. Very interesting video, Ivan.

[@stevegerhart929]

Ivan. Your hourly rate should go up after this one. Your worth it.

[@fieldsofomagh]

I'm not surprised at 17 hours distance. A good tech is worth his weight in salt. What I have seen without hesitation is a good tech in action.

[@kay110]

I can confirm (having had a new Range Rover some years ago) that they are completely unreliable. Mine was brand new from the dealer and over the first year, it spent 9 months in the garage having repairs on just about every part of the car. There was nothing that didn't have problems over its infancy.. It even had a new interior because it leaked badly when it rained.. Never again.

[@christopherbriden8403]

I would love to know what types of cars Ivan likes from a diagnostic point of view. I try to stay domestic, non turbo, without direct injection to reduce complexity. I drive a 2003 mustang GT and 2016 F250 w 6.2l and so far, so good.

[@thomasfrancis5747]

Might have been worth checking for actual signs of water/flood ingress at the beginning. At least there's a paper owner's handbook - what scares me is getting a car where it's only available online, also given the complex electronics how available they will be a few years after vehicle production ends especially where anticipated lifetime demand is so hard to predict.

[@forddriver8827]

fancy euro is code for 'sucker' in Australia yet they keep on selling.... Love the upload, new subscriber from Sydney, Oz.

[@DavidPruitt]

I don't know what happened with LR seats. Early 2000s Land Rover seats where some of the most comfortable seats ever made. The leather in my old Disco 2 is holding up better than a lot of modern leather seats.

[@russellhltn1396]

Wasn't there a bad driver's module? Is it possible the seat has adjustable softness? (I've never heard of it, but It wouldn't surprise me.)

[@andrewwmacfadyen6958]

Land-Rover Company has changed ownership too many times Rover to Austin Rover then Rover (Bae) then BMW then Ford and now as Jaguar Land-Rover part of Tata Group. When BMW sold out to Ford a lot of design and development people were lost

[@TheXJRMAN]

GAP tool, or SSD and mongoose cable would be my suggestion to the fastest diag, both are JLR specific.

[@jessewynne8193]

Shocking easy fix for a dealer like you said YET..whatever dealer this car sat at for months couldn’t figure it out?? Umm do they not look up TSB bulletins? Apparently NOT! So SAD

[@mattbrown5511]

Think I will keep buying older vehicles and keep them running. The nightmare fuel that is modern vehicle hardware and software is beyond stupid. These cars prove that companies have way too many engineers sitting around with nothing better to do than to over-complicate every single system on a car.

[@simon-oy6um]

Nice birdsong in the background 😊