You Said We're Dumb For Buying These Two Old Land Rovers: Here's How It's Going So Far...

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We bought two, heavily depreciated Land Rovers (well technically one LR3 and one Range Rover). Here is how it is going so far and weather or not we regret our purchase!
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#LandRover #RangeRover #Reliability

[@ericwalker6607]

R and T, congratulations! I was an devout Audi owner for years, longing for a Land Rover product. In Feb 2023, my long awaited First Edition Red V8 Range Rover Sport was delivered. And in Oct 2023, I bought a basic 2024 Defender 90. Absolutely amazing vehicles, such a pleasure to drive, adventure overland, and proud to live my dream at 72 years old!

[@dansimmons21]

As a proud Brit, I very much approve of this video 🤩 That said, I still buy Japanese cars… 😅

[@J.Young808]

😂😂😂 as I have heard it said if you want to go on an adventure take a Land Rover, if you want to get home go in a Land Cruiser.

[@roocrew86]

They are made in India now Hardly British

[@Yihooni]

Britts and the Italians are great designers, horrible engineers😂

[@roocrew86]

@@Yihooni agree except also think Brits are terrible designers

[@nunyabidness3075]

Frankly, nowadays there’s the good Toyotas and some good Mazdas, and the rest of the Japanese cars are about average. There have been several bad years of Camry’s and some other problematic Toyotas especially first model year. Rovers are doing decidedly better than the perception of the market. The first year of Defenders had challenges, so I’d still shy away from first year JLR cars. Seems to me the problem they have now is still lemons their dealers cannot diagnose and fix. They are addicted to complexity, and I’d tell them to work on that.

[@michaelhalstead64]

After having the WORST experience with reliability on several domestic vehicle, I bought a LR Defender almost the exact time you guys started buying these. Maybe it’s because I can now afford the correct maintenance, but I’m stoked for this vehicle.

[@adalgisounoqualunque9033]

If one is a millionaire, he should buy Rolls Royce. If someone is a hundred of thousander, new JLR every 3 years until they run out of warranty then sell them immediately/give them back and let the fools buy them used is the way to go.

[@Mr944217]

I own 2006 lr3 se, 122k miles , no problems, very reliable when maintenance is kept up, and right gas 91 octane and full synthetic oil. People go cheap and wonder why they have issues.

[@CeeJay591]

This is like someone who starts smoking and 3 months later tells us “no cancer yet” - lol

[@darnellengelbrecht4400]

😂

[@mykhayloshustak9990]

I have a 2005 Land Rover Lr3 v6 that I owned for 7 years and now it have 190,000 miles. One of the most reliable suv I ever had. Good choice and good luck with it.

[@barbarafritchie2000]

I’m looking for one. I have gotten mixed feelings between the LR3 and LR4. I like the looks of the Range Rover. I have a Bull Mastiff. I already own a 2004 Discovery II. Low miles. Thor had a stroke and my Discovery is too high off the ground to load and unload him.

[@j3rmain3]

LR4 is better

[@JJKU2014]

I dont believe you

[@VaanRavi]

No one believes you

[@freddygarrett]

I have one 2016 Range Rover long wheel base supercharger loaded I’ve owned it for three years now 70,000 miles ….love it best vehicle I ever own changed brake pads and rotors from rock auto ,,didn’t need to be but hated the brakes dust on factory pads over all great vehicle

[@benjamindacunha6974]

Love these videos with Roman and Tommy. The love they have for each other is so evident in how they talk. It’s a great Father/Son duo!

[@scottyellis3442]

Well said, and I couldn't agree more. They both are lucky to have such a good relationship & to be able to work together. Memories that will live on for a long time.

[@benjamindacunha6974]

@@scottyellis3442 no doubt about it!

[@gtrgto7817]

I have a 2006 l322 Range Rover with the 4.4 jag v8. I purchased it from the orginal owner back in 2020 for $4700. I have every service record since new on it. Today it has 248,000 miles on the original engine and transmission and is still my daily driver. I've put 30,000 miles on it since purchase. I've towed multiple cars with it and used it move multiple times. My Range Rover has been very reliable and has had no major issues. All I've done to it was regular maintenance and I did have to replace the air suspension compressor. My Range Rover is by far my favorite car I've owned. I highly recommend the l322 generation years 2006 to 2009. They are a great value for the money and are very dependable.

[@LeLilley1]

Your advice in meticulous maintenance records is spot on. I bought a 2007LR3 with very poor maintenance records. I'm not sure what was done or what was not done in terms of maintenance. So far, I'm getting several troubling codes that didn't show up during my initial due diligence done by the Land Rover mechanic. But this car is an absolute 100% total joy to drive. My fifth land rover, so I did know what I was getting into. I love TFL. Your transparency and advice is greatly appreciated! Thanks guys!!

[@EP50009]

5th land rover should say something :P

[@user-bs8cd3um3u]

BMW, Jaguar ,and Land Rover are all notorious for being expensive trash. Ya. Your fifth one.

[@volvo_3877]

@@user-bs8cd3um3u Modern BMW's are actually pretty reliable. As with any car I wouldn't get the 4 cylinder engines in a car bigger than the X1/2 series gran coupe. They learned from the junk they made in the 2000's

[@LeLilley1]

@@user-bs8cd3um3u. No one ever said I was very smart.!

[@Yihooni]

My dad’s Mustang II has 212,000 miles. Anything is reliable with impeccable maintenance.😂😂😂

[@jameseyman9078]

bought a 2006 range rover sport 5 years ago with 90,000 miles. we tow a 7000 lb trailer and this is our only vehicle. we now have 220,000 miles on it. in total we have replaced the air shocks which were surprisingly cheap and we paid about $50 per shock to have them installed. replaced a hub and bearing for $100, and had a water pump replaced for a total price of $200. thats all we have replaced. i cannot believe how reliable this truck has been.

[@musahsayah]

😂 There are $50 air suspension shocks in the market.

[@christophersharp8235]

Yeah, hub and bearing cost me £1800 on the l405

[@JonMartin84]

People cry about Land Rovers because they suck at maintenance and some just have sour taste because they buy them used and can't afford to fix them or find a reasonable service shop to work with. I have a 2011 Range Rover HSE Lux with the 5.0 NA engine and It's just ticked over 180,000 miles. It looks great and is still extremely comfortable to ride in. I added the same Falken tires mentioned in this video and it's just a beast. I take care of it and have a dealer mantained history up to 160,000 miles no major failures or anything about the most expensive fix so far has been the water pump that I replaced while repairing a cooling y pipe that tends to fail after a certain time. But the vehicle has NEVER left me stranded so I really can't complain. I'm looking to get a 2018 L405 soon because of the newer more modern infotainment system. These are very good vehicles despite many that parrot negative stories they hear/read about with no first hand knowledge.

[@Lordoftheflatbush]

Had three LR3/LR4’s and found them very comfortable, extremly good offroad and very reliable.

[@hbomb65]

I just purchased a 2015 LR4 and I am so happy with it, was well loved, cared for, and it's been a dream come true, appreciate your all's input and critiques!

[@JUKE179r]

I’ve been a longtime LR enthusiast ever since I was stationed at RAF Alconbury, England in 1994 and my USAF supervisor allowed me to borrow his Series III. I’ve been a fan ever since then and now owning a Disco 1 V8, a Disco 2 V8 and Td5 (next up a Defender 110 G4 Td5 or 110 Tomb Raider Td5). 😊 NANOCOM FTW!!! Cheers from a Yank living his best life retired in England! 🇺🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@deanfisher1753]

Love this and good to see a father and son video again. My LR3 just turned 19 and have had very few problems in all those years. I find that I'm looking for a change, but this has been, and still is, such a good vehicle that I struggle to find anything to replace it.

[@rl9810]

I've owned my 2012 LR4 for 8 years now. Around 100,000 miles on it in that span. Best vehicle I've ever owned, and that's on a list that includes 4 Land Cruisers and 4 Jeeps. Absolutely fantastic, and the only vehicle I'd maybe sell it for one day is probably a Defender. The air suspension is fantastic and actually pretty simple so long as you know what you are doing. The air struts need replacement after a while, but around the same time as the struts on any other vehicle (Toyota included) would need replaced. I run the same size BFG All Terrains as Tommy, mounted on the new Defender 18" steel wheels. They fit perfectly. Several trips to Colorado and never a problem.

[@Sebastian-fe5sr]

What engine? I.m looking for one but I dont know what engine is the best

[@rl9810]

@@Sebastian-fe5sr In the U.S., you don't have options. From 2010 to 2013, it's the 5.0 V8. From 2014 to 2016, it's the supercharged V6, which is the same block as the 5.0 engine but with the back two cylinders blocked off. The key if you get a 2014 or newer is that the HD package is a must have if you want to do any off roading. On all Land Rover LR3s and LR4s, the HD Package gets you an electronic locking rear differential. However, on the 2014 and newer LR4s, the HD Package also includes the low range center differential. In other words, without the HD Package in a 2014 or newer, you don't have a low range center differential.

[@Sebastian-fe5sr]

@@rl9810 ok mate, good to know, if you said that 5.0 aspirat is reliable, that's what I want to know, thanks

[@any0n378]

LR3 with the 4.4V8 is definitely the best engine if you are stateside. The 5.0V8 in the LR4 is known to eat timing chain tentioners. If you catch it early, it will cost you $5K+ at an independent LR shop, or you can do it yourself. If you don't, you'll detonate the engine.

[@PaddyBoy644]

0:40 says the guys that had 3 brand new defenders under warranty because they self destructed! 😂😂😂

[@Kimbrough87]

Mine has 247k v8 engine and can tow 7700 still going strong 💪🏾

[@B2stunt1]

Do you have the 5.0 liter

[@Kimbrough87]

@@B2stunt1 4.4

[@williammodlin2621]

You guys have convinced me. I’m actively looking for a good LR3. Thanks for your hard work as automotive journalists.

[@bandwagon240]

Buy a 4Runner and save yourself the headache.

[@oriondoublecrossed]

​​@@bandwagon240What if an impeccable condition toyota land cruiser 100 amazon 2006 model with original headphones and rear view infotainment factory option is available? For 26k dollars 90k miles ? 22k £ To be correct 80k miles ? If we add another 10k dollars and make it brand new it will be better than the 4 runner right? It has a 4.2ltr td

[@SavoyPrimeable]

2013 Land Rover LR4 w/ 120,000 miles. Only major repair I have ever had is the timing chains (which are a known issue). Everything else has been regular maintenance items. And yes, I have actually taken mine off road where it belongs.

[@NWI_Steel]

"Only" timing chains 😂

[@chonyi]

The heck?!? I was pretty sure the 2013 lr4 with the 5.0L v8 had the timing chains issue resolved… do you know what year your engine was built?

[@3pedal372]

@@NWI_Steelyou mean like every German engine ever made?

[@SavoyPrimeable]

@@NWI_SteelYeah… only means one. I already said timing chains were major. So try and use your big boy brain, only one major issue in 120,000 miles. Do I need to explain anything else to you?

[@moderncontraption2916]

My Land Rover repair guy said to consider the timing chain a service item and change it at 80 or 100k. It will be about 5k to do but that’s what sales tax on a new car costs so who cares

[@richardmoreau2464]

I totally agree with you. I have leased a 2007 LR3 HSE, then moved to buying a 2010 Jag XF Portfolio which I still owned with 305000km on it. My daily driver has been a 2019 F150 V8. Recently I was looking for an SUV for long trips. I need to take with me my service dog and after watching your channel bought a 2012 LR4 HSE Lux with 92000miles in mint condition love it. Thanks for your no BS reviews and honest assessment

[@mattalexander4699]

Get that checkbook out, moneybags!

[@Spartansrule118]

how’s it been the lr4

[@jeepin4life]

Congrats on your engagement Tommy! Long term subscriber. Always loved what your dad started and made a family affair.

[@ogee2938]

Landie owner. My first experience with the LR3 HSE was back in 2010... amazing! Fantastic drive position, the smoothest ride, and good power. That became the benchmark for any SUV consideration since. Love to see you gents working together! Take aways - #1. preventative maintenance on this or any vehicle is key! #2. Never buy new and always check for no.1. #3. #1!!!😄 Great presentation and content as always, guys! Looking forward to updates. Cheers!

[@brandonstewart7145]

I think it's awesome what you two are doing and can't wait to see how these vehicles do for you in the long haul 😊 Both vehicles are cool rides in my book.

[@evankatz2893]

Best of luck , with these two, there are always negative types out there who just want to air bad vibes, don’t listen to them. Happy New Year to the Whole TFL gang, Evan From Rockland County, NY A viewer since day one of your channel!

[@uscruiser]

Both are awesome vehicles. I really love those big and comfy Range Rovers, but the more basic Discovery is also a nice vehicle!

[@jonnpegu611]

I have a 2006 HSE LR3 and so far I really enjoy driving it. It’s a project car so I expected to fail but so far I’ve been pleasantly surprised.

[@Queensizemusic]

I’m stoked for you both. Enjoy every mile!

[@MisterGiant]

Got a 2007 LR3 SE with 230k miles on it. Still drives like a dream. Disabled the seatbelt warning awesome when getting in and out often.

[@lanceripplinger8352]

Great update, looking forward to more off road videos with these! I have that same 4.0L SOHC V6 in my 04' Ranger. Those engines biggest issue was with the timing chain guides (front and back side of the engine, really a stupid design by the German engineers) breaking , nuking the engine. I haven't worried about that though. I think as long as you change the oil every 5k miles or less, those engines will last a long time. They are otherwise very strong. Glad you pointed out how important a good service history is. Maintenance is everything for vehicle longevity!

[@landhopper4296]

It’s not just about getting it serviced but taking it to someone who actually knows what to do. That’s easier here in the UK. These are awesome vehicles and the LR3/4 are among the best vehicles ever made by anyone. I’ve had mine over 10 years and 200,000 miles and it has been more reliable than my 100 series Landcruiser, G-wagen and Jeep GCs. Not close, but by a country mile and the overall package beats all of those hollow. I was so worried by the rep before buying that I asked a 4x4 specialist for a recommendation and his view was that over time an LR (Discovery to us) is no better/worse than anything else.

[@biasbilt]

Couldn’t agree more. I debated a VW Touareg for a while and then took the view that if the VW went wrong, it was main dealers and the parts cannon rather than knowledge on how to fix the LR by a lot of knowledgeable independents. 2 x Discovery 3s (LR3) and a Range Rover Sport later and I’m just deciding on which model to get next

[@Meikle-Ed]

Good to hear you promote the reliability of these vehicles. They do get such a bad rep and it’s mostly not justified. I agree with the comfort of the LR3. I previously owned a Disco 4 (LR4) and nothing compares to the ride.

[@volvo_3877]

Almost all of the bad rep comes from vehicles 2017 and prior and people who have never owned one. From what I understand the new rovers have little to no issues with reliability.

[@joshbacon8241]

I’d say the ride quality is probably on par with that of an old Citroën, and we all know how smooth-riding they are…

[@bandwagon240]

​@@volvo_3877stop spreading lies.

[@moloono1]

@@volvo_3877You must never watch this channel because they went through 3 new discovery’s in a month. POS vehicles that have received the lowest scores for reliability for near 20 years now 😂

[@volvo_3877]

@@moloono1If you watched this channel then you would know they were Defender's. The 2nd one had absolutely nothing to do with them or the car being faulty and the 3rd one was fine

[@marksr1907]

I suspect the reputation of the land rover is largely from the poor quality of their dealers in the US.

[@ronnieharford3326]

Agreed!

[@mattalexander4699]

Lol yeah, ok.

[@alancobbin]

The L405 and the New L460 is by far the best Range Rovers they have ever built,nice one Chaps😉💪

[@leighwilson1524]

I have just bought a 2023 Discovery SE D300, I traded on my 2017 Discovery SE. My old Discovery had a windscreen leak and was fixed by my dealer out of warrenty at no cost. I have had 6 Subarus before this and all had at least one recall. My Discovery had none, it was the most realiable car I have ever owned. I took it Fraser Island and one person asked me if it was electric because they could not hear the engine over the Toyotas I was with. I do have my Discovery's life on KZbin.

[@JamesDBuzzard]

I currently own a 2013 Range Rover Sport (arguably the best model year for the Sport 😊) and have not have any major issues beyond normal maintenance and wear items. The vehicle is super nice to drive and for even feel dated. I was going to get something brand new but saw this and pulled the trigger and have zero regrets. Now I am looking for a 2nd Land Rover and would love to find a semi clean LR3/4. Great video guys! Keep the LR content coming!

[@scottbaumann5060]

I also own a 2013 RRS. Bought at 132k Jan 8th, 2023. Has 174k as of today. Zero work other than oil & tires.

[@jcollins1305]

I was close to picking up a 60k mile LR4 in the $20k range. Got cold feet, because I have a reliable vehicle now, but I still love the LR4!

[@kearnsey64]

You should have bought it!

[@jcollins1305]

It’s hard to part with a reliable vehicle for an unknown, and I was worried a big repair bill would pop up. Still haven’t totally given up the idea though.

[@honeydewim]

@@jcollins1305 Exactly the dilemma I am in. Should I pick a 2019 RR V8 Supercharged 54K miles for $50K, when I already have a very reliable fully loaded Volvo? So Torn.

[@austinglover8557]

Great video gentleman. I was a proud owner of a 2016 RRS 5.0 supercharged for 4 years and 60k miles was absolutely amazing! Now have a Porsche Cayenne S and miss the personality and the driving position of the Range Rover every day. Like you say preventative, maintenance is key.

[@TortugaDeRio]

What made you sell the Range?

[@downhillskier7]

There is a reason for the steep depreciation, the maintenance cost is very expensive. When the air suspension goes out after warranty expired get your credit card out😂

[@AlexLR]

My 08 RR has it's original struts at 115k miles, my friends 06 RR has too at 275k miles! My Golf gti meanwhile is on it's 3rd set of springs at 125k, they rust out.

[@krover01]

​@AlexLR my 05 lr3 is still on OE bags date coded back to 04. 280k miles!

[@rchatte100]

Love the Range's, reliability is fine as long as maintained.

[@adaycj]

People with the car (truck) disease are not known for making soind financial decisions when it comes to vehicles. These two are still passionate about these vehicles. TFL has the resources to see this through, and this isn't your all too typical suburbanite that thinks they can rock the status of a LR while putting 100% of thier transportation budget into a payment. Maybe these used examples will be better sorted compared to the new thing they bought that was a disaster.

[@534N69]

I’ll never get over how similar they look. It’s been cool watching the kid grow up and evolve into the confident reporter he is now Great stuff yall

[@mial1673]

I love my 13 Range Rover Sport. 80,000 miles and still going so strong. I had wanted one for so long. Very impressed so far. Looking forward to the next one in my life. Thanks TFLC ❤

[@Formulabruce]

The Banter is Perfect! It shows age opinions which are important. When these have electrical or fuel problems, many are totalled and Crushed in a Complete State.

[@David-lb4te]

I have a D4, 2012. I love it. Had only a few problems which were repaired by my local ex-LR trined mechanic. Does everything I want it to do; family of 4, 4 bikes on the back, roof box, large dog. Goes anywhere in comfort.

[@buechs25]

Last year I bought my first Range Rover Autobiography. I purchased their extended maintenance pkg, definitely saved me. Coming full circle to our discussion, my ‘15 Range Rover was indeed my first import let alone premium a premium luxury truck. With all 😂that’s been said, I will never give a thought to buying domestic ever again. And seeing that this feed is off readers, those Range Rovers are nothing short of a tank off road. I grew up hands on outdoors, I’ve taken that truck to places and thru woods to the likes you would think it’s a commercial. Great buy

[@davidmurray1630]

I Have always loved the looks and capability of these vehicles! I can't wait to see all the future segments on both of them!

[@AlexMatos-bd4qo]

I have a 2013 Range Rover Sport with the 5.0 V8. Purchased the vehicle with 75,000 miles, and it currently has 140,000 miles. Still on the original air suspension, belts, and hoses. Everything works, and no major issues in the few years I’ve owned it.

[@doug6191]

Good-lookin' vehicles for deep-pocketed and/or mechanically-inclined owners.

[@supercrazysane]

UK side here, I went from a brand spanker 2021 Defender P400 X to a 2016 Discovery 4 Landmark, 1 owner, 21k miles and FLRSH. This was a bit of a gamble, I had never driven the LR4 before and of course going backwards by way of tech. I had always liked them and when this came up for sale I took the leap. A year later, no issues whatsoever and I’d say the Disco had been the best car I have ever had. Super versatile, even more so t than the defender IMO and the split rear tail is so much better than the Defenders swing door. Planning to keep this car until the wheels fall off, over time it’ll become a classic (a bit like the LR1 and 2’s are today). I sent mine to a specialist and had the frame treated with anti rust and underseal. Only other mod was to replace the candle like front fog lamps with the super cool LED kit from Powerfuluk and also their interior LED bulb kit (100% better than the old interior bulbs) Everyone and his dog will say it’s a ticking time bomb as to when the crank will snap, this car is so good I’m prepared to just get on with it and if the crank does ever go then I’ll be putting in a new engine. Only service change above the manufacturer schedule I am doing myself is changing the oil and filter every 6k miles, using a Mityvac 7201 it’s a doddle. Look forward to following your experience 🤓😎👍

[@DrivenHard]

Great video guys! Thanks for the update on these!

[@BretDrager]

I imagine that you two don't consider a 2017 Discovery Sport to be a true Land Rover, but I have been so impressed. I love the ride and power the engine has. It had 69,000 when I bought it and not bad maintenance at this point. Great work on an honest review.

[@bck0001]

It seems that few “experts” like the Sport, but solely from sitting in them I really like them, glad to hear you’re happy with it. Bonus to have the more basic mechanicals in my opinion.

[@clee7467]

Thanks for the write up and review. Always loved the brand and the old 90s Defender. When they brought the Defender back in 2020, bought one for my wife as her daily driver. It was a little too harsh for her liking since she was accustomed to large lux SUVs. After 1 year with the Defender 110, got her the Range Rover L. Like I mentioned, she has had many lux SUV of all brands and she commented that the RR is her favorite of all time. 20+K miles on the clock and very little issues besides some electronic gremlins (Apple Carplay sometime connects, Lumbar adjustments sometimes does not respond on the first push, and random dash warnings alarm but usually goes away after an engine cycle). All those small gremlins which my wife would normally freak out about seems to trumped by her love of the other factors of the RR. Appreciate you guys putting the "naysayers" in their place with this review, looking forward to many follow ups.

[@jimster1577]

I've owned an LR4 for almost 7 years now. Best vehicle I've ever owned. And I've owned 14 vehicles. All different types.

[@jamieboydmusic6956]

Good on you guys. Down in Australia there are a lot of Land rover owners. I have had minor issues with my LR3. I did do an engine swap instead of Headgasket. Basically the same price but a much younger engine from a Ford Territory. We love our Diesels down here. There are many Ford V6 Diesels. I just did a 12,000km trip towing a 3T Caravan. It was amazing. I do occasionally need to clear a suspension fault. And currently have a cracked exhaust crossover pipe. But this thing on our rough roads has the best ride. There really is nothing like it!

[@bostondan77]

L3 looks great also, good job guys. Keep us posted.

[@jamesgreen5560]

Those Falken At Trails are perfect for Colorado winters. I used them on a Jeep while driving 550 heading to Telluride in and they almost felt like an actual snow tire. Not one single slip or slide.

[@pepy977]

I've owned range rovers for the last 25 years i currently have two one is a sport with 198,000 miles that ive owned for 10 years and the other a vogue with 130,000 miles that ive had 6 years and ive never had any problems its all about good maintenance and taking it to someone with product knowledge.

[@davep2945]

I've owned a Discovery II and never really had any problems with it. Bought it used with around 35,000 miles (lease turn in) and put another 50,000 on it. Back then I traded out of cars a lot so, no, the mileage wasn't extremely high but that was my experience. My wife bought a Freelander which had a lot of minor electrical gremlins but it never actually left us stranded anywhere. It had 63,000 miles on it when we divorced and I have no idea how many miles it had when she traded it I just know it was a couple of more years before she did. I tell people this about Land Rovers. If you have the money to do it and the maintenance mentality you will never own a better SUV. If you think you can treat it like a Toyota maintenance wise and get 100,000 miles out of it before the VVT goes out and you wonder why your Toyota was a lemon when it was your fault then don't buy a Land Rover because that stuff will happen at 30,000 miles. But lets get real. So many people trashing Land Rovers are fan boys of other brands and have never owned or even driven a Rover. And they love to compare them to a seven owner Land Cruiser they also have never driven or owned that they pretend has never had any maintenance done other than three oil changes and a head lamp bulb replaced in 350,000 miles as if that's the norm.

[@tego5370]

Pretty much all car publications talks about Land rover unreliability, it's been at the bottom of consumers reports yearly reporting for over 20 years. There is a reason it loses value, so steeply so quickly. Not the same for Toyota and Honda. A few maybe 1-2 % owners of range rover may have no problem over 20k miles, but most owners usually have very costly problems.

[@moloono1]

Hard disagree. The market dictates the value of a vehicle and these things depreciate like that carbon fiber submarine. If they were so good and reliable, they would hold their value for longer. Just look at used Land Cruisers or LX470s and you’ll see what is true.

[@josephcullen2512]

Nice. Good work chaps. What you say about comfort is what other people say too. The older ones are actually more comfortable. But soft close doors would be a bonus

[@skittlesgarage]

I own both a Supercharged Range Rover and a Land Rover LR3. Both have been very reliable and have done multi states in a day road trips without a hiccup in both snow and rain.

[@faugrad]

I have had good luck with all my newer LR products, not so much the older products (the BMW era and earlier). There are a few large OEM suppliers (TRW, Delphi, etc.) and all OEMs buy from the same suppliers so reliability will be similar across brands as long as you keep up with maintenance.

[@ceunny]

People who say they are unreliable are usually people who haven’t owned one yet. Looking at numbers from the insurance agency these vehicles are way better then some of the other german / swedish / … brands. It’s just easy to say that they are not reliable because it stirr’s the public opion more.

[@vantripping]

Thanks for sharing. I’ve owned a Discovery 1, a ‘90 Range Rover and ‘93 Defender 110, wheeled all of them, and used them as daily drivers, and they never failed in any way unlike a Jeep, a Toyota pick up and GM Blazer all did for me. And these Land Rover all outperformed any non-modified trail rig. From my experience owning nearly dozens of brands of vehicle, the Land Rovers have excellent reliability except for some minor trim, they are comfortable, well thought out interior, and excellent driving characteristics and trail performance. And way better reliability than people rumored them to have, but my actual direct experience is opposite the rumor.

[@antsuh]

3 things to pump up the comfort with your L405: swap headrests with comfortable ones from autobiography, change the wheel to wooden one - the feel will be much more premium, add radar and change wheel buttons for adaptive cruise control (in 2017 models you’ll need wiring). Make tire pressure lower. You are complaining about stiff air suspension. It has nothing to do with what you feel. Activate Dynamic mode. Feel what this car can really do in sport mode with Terrain response in Active dynamic

[@nfrance56]

Hi Guys, great video. I had the same Discovery 3 4L V6. I agree that it's extremely thirsty especially with camping trailer on hitch. I found the sweet spot between the Range Rover and the Disco with the LR4.5 / Discovery 4 3L SDV6. I changed the wheels to fit the same BFG AT 2. Did a 10 000km African safari with my wife and 4 kids during Covid lockdown. 30 days, 5 countries and absolutely no issues to date. It's a capable overlanding vehicle with plenty accessories available. You won't run into problems if you maintain it properly. ONE LIFE, LIVE IT. from RSA

[@jasonp3253]

One thing about my Land Cruiser is the same as your complaint about the heated seats and steering wheel... they don't get hot, and it takes FOREVER to get warm. My VW got hot fast, and my wife loved that.

[@gavanswift2789]

I have a 2013 D4 with over 190,000km and other than preventative maintenance, it’s been the most reliable car I’ve ever owned.

[@TreborStiefel]

both beautiful vehicles, wishing you luck with these. Looking forward to seeing the updates.

[@admranger]

These are both great vehicles. Now I have to search for the other videos that have been made with them. I really regret not buying a LR3 when I lived in Santa Fe, NM. There were a couple really nice ones I could have bought and I passed due to the internet fear mongering. 😞

[@tallhighlander]

I’ve had about 8 LR Discovery’s: 5 x TD5s which always broke down on a regular basis then 2 Disco 3s and now a Discovery 4. I use them for a mixture of work & pleasure: like my farmer mate says “ you can use them as a tractor in the morning, then as a limousine in the afternoon” latest model very reliable if you keep on top of maintenance and just does EVERYTHING very very well - excellent towing vehicle, not cheap to run but I wouldn’t have anything else

[@JohnZA]

You are definitely not idiots. You’ve just discovered the best vehicles money can buy. If you’re impressed with the LR3, you should try the LR4. It’s even better. I got rid of my L405 Autobiography 5.0l because as you’ve already discovered, the L405 is amazing, but for everyday use, the LR3/4 is just better. The only issue with these vehicles is that they are sophisticated and very few mechanics know how to fix them. And the failures are usually small things like sensors etc. but without an IID tool and some common sense you’re stuck. So a simple thing like a suspension height sensor will fail or have dirty contacts and shops will be quick to want to replace all the airbags and compressor.

[@jwshbiker]

Bought a 2012 LR4 brand new and had it meticulously maintained at the dealer. Had major engine work done at about 65,000 miles, cost $13,000 Luckily, I had mechanical insurance coverage which covered most of it. Recently had to replace the brake lines for $4,500. Who designs a car that needs the body removed from the chassis in order to work on the brake lines?!?! Two weeks ago, engine suddenly seized up with no warning at 130,000 miles, Loved my LR4 but will not buy a Land Rover again. Total money pit in my experience.

[@juliandrake3159]

My wife has a 2020 Range Rover Sport and I absolutely love it. It is soooo comfortable and smooth. We drove it up to Napa Valley from San Diego in 2021 with four adults, packed full of luggage and driving back from Napa we only stopped once in 500 miles to fuel up and change drivers. A testament to how comfortable it is even in the back seats. It is still pretty new so we really haven't had any problems with it so far and we have 32,000 miles on it currently. Ours has the straight six engine making 355hp so it is reasonably powerful but sounds like a tractor and I have taken it off-road once but it really needs better tires for that.

[@SerapAmI]

I've been driving a LR4 for eight years. Best vehicle ive ever owned. Love it every time i jump in it. Extremely reliable.

[@leoazucena-lagos3777]

Merry Christmas and Happy and prosperous new year to all TtFL families. Two very good and beautiful vehicles, capable and useful, at the right price. Enjoy the motoring and the savings. Kudos 🎉

[@raymondplank9833]

Hi Guys, nice video, I have a 1958 S2 owned for 14 years, a Discovery 2 that did 180,000 miles before I sold it after 19 years a brilliant vehicle. I am on my second Discovery 4, the first (2014) had a few minor quality issues drove it for 46000 miles with no issues. My current vehicle pulls a 3500kg trailer as if there is nothing attached. This year so far have covered 14000 miles with a total now on 87000 it’s never missed a beat. Just had a service and MOT at the LR main dealer here in the UK cost £680 and no issues reported. It has a LR extended warranty for another year. The best vehicle I have ever had, great family transport, there is no cure once you contract LRingitis.

[@ThatOtherDave]

Remind me again how your review of the new ones went? Catastrophic comes to mind. 😂

[@mrgurulittle7000]

They are beautiful vehicles. My dad would absolutely buy a used one if there was some sort of reliability.

[@HDMI4YAMAHA]

Had 2 RR and 1 LR Discover in the last 15 years and never had a problem, they are solid, confortable, elegant...Brake service and parts are very expensive but with time you learn where to do your services and your good...

[@tomokokishi3066]

Meanwhile Doug Demuro sold his new Defender already. So I guess it depends.😂

[@macalvarezLA]

I did the same with my first ever 2017 discovery. No extended warranty. I'm at 75k miles I love it. I do my own oil change 25k miles driven in 5 months. Love it

[@nikoharrison8189]

I own a 07 4.4 LR3 with 121k miles on it. Just finished a 3700 mile road trip from Denver to New York and back! The car did amazing the entire time. This is the best car I've ever owned!

[@railworker8058]

I’ve driven Land Rovers all my life, in war and in peace, often in awe but never in pieces. These are not vehicles, these are the most loyal hounds anyone could own. I’ve driven my 2012 LR2 from the Arctic Circle to Central America over all kinds of terrain and lack of roads. It has honestly never skipped a beat. What makes Land Rovers reportedly unreliable is the standard of maintenance they receive. A repair, if required, must be done properly, knowledgeably, and with OE parts where a jobber just won’t do. This doesn’t always mean a dealership either which are the Achilles’ heel of the LR brand in my opinion, often owned, operated, and manned, by complete cads. Nothing on a Land Rover can’t be fixed. Take care of it, it will take care of you.

[@STOLrover]

I absolutely loved my 2005 lr3. Had 225000 problem free miles except for some air bag issues and lower control arms. Had a new 2020 defender 110 got rid of it because of the lack of space for the dogs. Now driving a td6 disco 5 and love it. But still miss my lr3

[@Vagabond1209]

I’ve driven a 2006 RR Sport S/C (essentially an LR3) for 15 years. 350,000 km (200k miles) and it’s still a tank. Reliable. With normal maintenance, my 4.2 Jag engine and ZF transmission have been bulletproof. Did the air suspension at about 120,000 miles for $3k. Sway bar bushings, ball joints. Lots of brakes and tires. Tighter than my F150 with half the miles. I’ll report back at 400km

[@jamescharles8663]

Tommy’s vehicle is a terrific value. Around 5 grand for a 16 year old SUV.

[@pistolpete6321]

Great video guys, looking forward to regular updates.

[@steel4858]

I am a proud owner of a 2005 D3 it has hit the 200,000 + mark and still going strong!!! It drives like new !!! . We have had no issues with this beast, I have driven many a vehicles and very very few can compete with this on road or off road, the research testing that went into designing this beast by Landrover is astonishing 5 Continents & millions of miles threw some of the roughest & toughest terrains no wonder some owners of D5 were going back to the D3 & D4’s if you look after it properly it will last for ages 🎉.

[@JPD617]

We owned a series 1 Discovery. We had it for 3 years, great suv. Was a 5 speed, incredibly slow lol. Comfortable inside, rode perfect. Maintenence is key...

[@stanleyharrris7671]

I am a converted Toyota owner. Owned 4-runners, and Land Cruisers, and a zillion years ago I bought my first LR P-38. Since then I have had multiple LR-3's, a couple LR-4's, and Sports and Range rovers. Currently have L320, L494, LR-3, LR-4, and L405, love them all, and never have I had any major issues with any of them(knock on wood). I love to work on vehicles, so perhaps that makes LR/RR products easier for me to live with, but again, maintenance, as with any car helps keep the issues at bay. In my opinion and through experience, the biggest issues will always be suspension, not the bags, or compressor, but the control arm bushings, and occasionally the hub bearings, all repairable in your own garage, and relatively inexpensive.

[@paulthomas5934]

As an original owner of a LR3 I have to defend Tommy and Roman! You’d be hard pressed to find anyone who has owned longer, having purchased mine late 2005. Admittedly during the 4-year 50,000 warranty every time I went in for an oil change Denver LR found a problem. Under warranty they replaced struts and air spring assemblies, radio, fuel pump and more. In serious cold I got a “suspension fault” message. Collapsed on the air suspension to “access height.” I pulled in for gas, restarted and everything back to normal. Just needed to reboot! Dealer did a software update, and problem gone. LR3 has never broken down or left me stranded. Last 15 years nothing but routine maintenance cost.

[@rsanford446]

I agree with you guys. I’ve owned 3 land rovers and I’ve had fantastic luck. Currently have a 2015 LR4 LUX with 102k miles it’s been problem free. Mostly road miles but it’s seen plenty of Arizona and Colorado trails as well.

[@skotsmith4269]

My 07 LR3 with 177K miles is purring along. We've stayed on top of maintenance, and yeah it gets a little expensive. It's a great daily driver, smooth and safe. Nice video and looking for how both work out for y'all.

[@peterehlen]

I wrapped my D1 around a tree a couple months ago (it did great, btw, and even drove off the tow truck), and needed to get a replacement. I had my mind set on either a newer Tacoma or a new/slightly used 4Runner. But after driving them and trying to come to terms with the price, I just couldn't pull the trigger. So I kept looking. The more "modern" Land Rovers hadn't really crossed my mind but my D1 was such a fun time I took a look at a cheap 2006 LR3. $4k later I'm loving my new ride. It's so much more refined than my '97 (not shocking) but the biggest surprise was that it was truly more refined than the new (and new-ish) Toyotas. It's solid and just feels good. And no lie, not spending "Toyota money" makes me feel pretty good. Yes, I need to catch up with some maintenance including a couple suspension bits but it's all do-able for a guy who can turn a wrench. Once everything is sorted, I'll be in it $5k and possibly another $1k if I want to replace the perfectly good street tires with something a little more off-road worthy. Can't wait for the snow to melt and get it on some trails.

[@swheather3391]

The thing I like about the heated steering on my LR4 is that it may take a bit longer to heat up, I like that it can be left on all the time and it’s never too hot.

[@reubenpearson]

Hey Tommy, there's a company called ASFIR that makes a beautiful aluminum skid that also deletes the plastic front cover on the LR3. Highly recommend

[@dsm810]

I really hate you guys right now!!! I'm trying to figure out what my next adventure in the automotive world will be... Land Rover is one of the few brands I haven't owned. I love the looks and design but worried about the "R" of them. Then here comes you guys touting your love for them, not afraid of the "R" issue and making me want one more!!! Really good videos, thanks for sharing! (I really don't hate you guys and I appreciate your honesty and content). Have a Happy Prosperous New Year!!!

[@jstokvis]

Excellent and just goes to prove if it's maintained properly it's no worse than any other well-maintained vehicle. As usual well presented and very professional channel.

[@adamscarchannel5578]

A LR3 with a V6 is a rare thing. They probably changed the dash for cosmetic reasons. The V8 full size isn't terrible, provided you keep up on the maintenance. The V8 has plastic coolant manifolds that will leak. Which will cause the engine to overheat. They also suffer from stretched timing chains, broken chain tensions and guides. When I was a Land Rover tech, there were at least 15 cars at any given time, waiting on replacement engines. Mostly the supercharged ones. The internet is right: both of those cars will cost you money. Especially the full sized Rover.

[@VampirusX]

Call me crazy but I am planning (after moving to the Netherlands) to rent a garage for a few cars and buy a L322 (good year with a Ford engine) to drive it until a major repair is needed. I will rip out the engine and saw it in half and convert it to a "desk". I saw it once in a short and it looks bloody beautiful. I don't have to worry about any huge repairs and when the engine or transmission is still fine I might sell it. Besides leasing that might be the only "sane" option to own a Land Rover 😂😂😂