Ram NO CRANK after Starter Replacement? (It's NOT what you think!)

[@toddw.9845]

If you run into this issue with corrosion on tipm connectors , make sure left inner fender is intact and the holder that it snaps into. other wise the spray off the tire will just ruin any repair!

[@InsideOfMyOwnMind]

I've learned to appreciate the ❤ symbols that Ivan and some others do because especially with a channel like this it confirms that a potentially important comment like this one has been seen.

[@tacocin]

I bet there was nothing wrong with the original starter.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

That thought actually crossed my mind LOL!

[@dans_Learning_Curve]

Came to the comments to say this. If we could get the whole story!

[@RK-kn1ud]

​@@dans_Learning_Curve You almost NEVER get the whole story....even if the customer honestly believes that they are giving you the whole story.

[@abderrahimmark]

Don't be a parts changer. That's the motto.

[@frnkjones40]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics TIPM on my Chevy van burned me for the same reason. The crazy thing was my van actually started afterwards............for a week.

[@givemetruth4988]

I have a 2006 5.9dodge cummins 2500. I had alarm red light flashing no rpm speedo engine temp or com with ecm. Lost com with abs mod and pcm/ ecm codes. Truck still ran but something was wrong . My tuner would not connect when I tried to refresh the stock tune. I checked every wire, every negative spent over 30 hours watching videos reading crawling around my truck etc. I watched this video . Literally did the same thing this guy did pulled the tipm touched where he touched and all of it went away . I appreciate you so much man Thank you. There were signs of the green crustys also

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

AMAZING ;)

[@gizmocatz3478]

As usual you always do a good job on your diagnosis. You also remind the customer that if it occurs again that it may need to be replaced, very good.

[@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT]

Great thought process, Ivan! Potentially annoying diagnostic made fast and easy by a smart approach to the problem.

[@nastyn8te328]

You gotta love good crusties especially when you see someone else has done some excellent wire modifications as well!

[@cthorn2467]

I enjoy your channel and the way your so thorough in your diagnostics. Had an issue with 2006 jeep grand Cherokee had a bad TPIM , only one thing, not working back up lights. I found a used TPIM on eBay and replaced it now it’s working fine. Chrysler is famous for their band TIPM’s.

[@mikechiodetti4482]

With 207000 miles the starter replacement is questionable but could have been legitimate. Other than what you did with the deoxit, I would have checked the fuses, relays etc in the TIPM just to be sure no more green crusties were visible. Just a thought. Another good job Ivan!

[@tracydiller9378]

A little late watching Ivan but once again Great Video and diag. You are 100% right about jumping the gun without collecting data it can lead you down the old rabbit hole, been there done it. And also moving things harness around when you have circuit issues and fixing the problem without knowing what you did. Your a great teacher Ivan have learned alot from your channel among others.

[@AP9311]

Nice job Ivan. But i really bet that the old starter are just fine! Just the TIPM problem, Chryslers are known for bad stuff! Great diagnosis and outcome of the problem! Only green crusties! Excellent video Ivan

[@cclngthr]

Corrosion can affect anything electrical... On my 8th gen 01 Corolla, i discovered that the cooling fans turned on with engine off but key on run position. My research lead me to look at the air conditioner high pressure switch since others reported the same symptom i had. I ruled out the coolant temperature sensor because last fall I replaced that since at that time I had a coolant temperature inefficient code (p0125 code i think) with new water pump and thermostat. Last summer I replaced the water pump since the bearing sounded angry. I replaced the thermostat because it was right there as well and I generally prefer to replace that when I buy a new to me car. Since I don't have the equipment to evacuate the refrigerant, I chose the dealer to do that, but I chose to put the lead tech on a test to see how he diagnoses an issue. He originally thought it was either the coolant sensor or the AC pressure switch. Talking with him, I had him remove the connector to the switch to see how that was. It was green with corrosion. I have the switch and even after he cleaned it as a temporary fix until the new switch came in the next day, it has green crusties on the pins. After replacing the switch, AC gets even colder than it was before. It was always good and cold, but it is running more efficiently now.

[@robertlacob8831]

Nice job! I would of checked under that add on tape to see what was connected also! When you first looked at the fuse box in vehicle, you can see the lock down tab bent down compared to the others and the tape wrapped around two wires.

[@mrkttrdr2919]

Once again, great logical diag and no parts needed, thanks for posting, nice to c u get an easy one ❤

[@heny3231]

It was what I thought it was, but not where I thought it was. From the title, I assumed it would be corrosion at the starter solenoid wire, but obviously seeing all the codes, I soon realised I was wrong, again, lol. Another great case study and lesson Ivan, thank you!

[@davidhollfelder9940]

TIPM reached a tipping point. My DeoxIT D5 nozzle swivel leaks too.

[@brentpew4853]

Can you show all your “test lights” and hookups that you use? I’m curious to how you achieve different amperage’s

[@ryanncushway8384]

2013 ram 1500 5.7, same thing happened the day our family arrived at the beach for vacation. Thought it was a bad battery so spent $300 on that, nope...thought it was the starter bc of the single click so had a new one installed for $430, nope. Maybe relays? +$20 nope. Autozone and i are now buddies and 3 scans, 2 mobile mechanics cant figure it out. Scans show everything is good. Have to use a jump box to get it going and then i dont have the issue for a few hrs. Ideas? Look for green crusties?

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

@@ryanncushway8384 you need a wiring diagram and a test light instead of the parts cannon 💡😉

[@ryanncushway8384]

@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics thanks for the advice

[@mrwick4875]

Awesome job as always. Question does the thinktool you have lock you out of the gateway if its not updated just wondering my snap-on does wondering why only couple months over due seems little crazy thanks

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Haven't had that happen yet...

[@advancedleveldiagnostics]

It will lock you out, it's not the scan tool's fault, it's auto auths policy.

[@mrwick4875]

@@advancedleveldiagnostics so your saying AA locks you out it’s not the scanner snap on or anyone else

[@Nudnik1]

As a salt water marine mechanic for decades I spray all connections with CRC or WD40 a few times a year . We have road and sea salt on long island new york. Curious if owner bench tested old starter ? Odd how Dodge place Tipim female plug ports facing up to hold water?

[@LesReeves]

Not odd just SNAFU.

[@Hybriddiag]

Changing parts without any guidelines is always waste of time and money 💰 it could have been a small diag and repair..cheers ivan another one bagged

[@davidoickle1778]

When Ivan says "Very interesting" you know the problem itself is in trouble!

[@davidoickle1778]

Good thought.

[@germanjesus]

I said tipm second I seen title Seen that over 1 thousand times Great diagnosis

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

That's a lot of TIPMs lol

[@weshawkins7165]

Chrysler TIPM’s, a pain in the butt without the corrosion problems you have back east. Cool Mak’s TIPM rebuilder is out on the west coast in Southern Cal. Good to know. Ivan, I can’t for the life of me get the camera flag on the right hand side of the ThinkToolpros to appear so I can take a snap shot of data. Is there a trick to that? Do I need to create a customer/vehicle report first?

[@johnmeyer4804]

Power and grounds man! I learned that from the smartest diagnostician I know!

[@jennmarie-rosetip2]

Can you please tell me more about ground wiring and for a 1999 dodge truck? I desperately need to get it on the road running. Please ty losing my house and need a running truck

[@jankcitycustoms]

those flip-up staw deoxit cans always cracked right at the nozzle. I like the new cans. they use the old style red staw and have an adjustable flow valve.

[@michaelfraser5723]

4:31 pin pointing and the manufacturers who DESIGN IN hurdles and obfuscation to separate 'the wheat from chaff' in technician terms..

[@mitchellgast7272]

another great video! Thanks for all your hard work.

[@GarnConstructionInc]

The Best parts are no parts Required! Nice fix for all.

[@SpaceSailor-tu3vl]

Dose the diagram show the valve coil windings? My thoughts are that there’s a clamping circuit of some kind integrated in valve normally you want to filter at the source so you don’t interfere further into the circuit.

[@johnpeacock7303]

I wonder what that electric tape connection is.?

[@dans_Learning_Curve]

I guess he didn't want to open that can of worms!!

[@joekuntzman4016]

Excellent approach to problem! Well done 👍

[@MoJoRid3r]

I have a 2012 Ram that is intermittently doing the no crank/ flashing security light like in this video. I replaced the WIn unit, but still doing it. Here are the codes pulled before the WIN replacement ECU DTC Description ORC B212C-13 | Stored Ignition Run/Start Input-Circuit Open HVAC 81058-92 | Stored Recirculation Door Control-Performance or Incorrect Operation HVAC B11CB-92 | Stored Front/Left Temperature Door 1 Control-Performance or Incorrect Operation HVAC 31050-00 I Stored Recirculation Door Travel Range Too Large- ABS 02100 | Stored Battery Voltage Low PCM P0627 | Stored Fuel Pump Control Circuit/Open PCM P0571 | Stored Brake Switch 1 Performance PCM P0513 | Stored Invalid SKIM Key WCM U1197 | Stored Security Seed Response Not Received from ECM/PCM WCM U0121 | Stored Lost Communication With Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Control Module 'A' WCM B1A24 | Stored Key Not Programmed TIPMCGW U0212 l Stored Lost Communication With SCM TIPMCGW U0121 | Stored Lost Communication With Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Control Module 'A' I wish I could find a shop around here with your knowledge. I have a service scheduled with the dealer, but I may try to check the TPIM first. Thanks for the video

[@MoJoRid3r]

Well, I had it in a shop for 5 hours on Tuesday and they finally said the WIN needed reprogrammed and it was fixed. Worked fine about 3 starts and the security light flashed and no crank again. Only happened once so far, but it is not fixed.

[@robertwhite9898]

Great job Ivan as always 😊

[@brianw8963]

Great stuff. Quickies are great! 👍👍🇺🇸

[@Malcarper]

Great video Ivan........ I find WD40 spray cans, with 'Smart Straw' also leak when spraying, until half the can is used, then the pressure drops. Product should be renamed..... WD40 Dumb Straw !

[@nastyn8te328]

You can repressurise empty WD-40 cans when they're is still liquid inside but it's not spraying out you can add air to the can with a valve stem from a tire and take the cap off the WD-40 stick the valve stem over the WD-40 top and take an air pump and hook it to the valve stem where you pump the air up and pump some air into the can there's videos on KZbin that show how to do it it's pretty easy works well

[@upallnight888]

My niece was clearing out my half-brother's stuff after he passed away. They were trying to sell his Jeep Cherokee. They couldn't get the engine to stay running. Ask me if I would look at it. Went to my half-brother's house and got into his car and started, but it wouldn't stay running, at that point I notice the security light was on in the dash. Asked my niece if they had another key for the car. She searches around and found another key. Started the car with the new key and it remained running. The key that she first gave me was a key that was cut at an Ace hardware store. It would open the doors and start the engine, but it didn't have the chip to keep the engine running.

[@douglasburnside]

Usually they will keep running... _until_ you put it in gear, and then the security system shuts it down.

[@LesReeves]

Sorry to hear about your half-brother & I hate the security key set up they cost a fortune to get cut & if you don't have a scanner that programmes them it costs more.Cheers.

[@tylertakes2241]

My truck was progressively turning over slower and slower. Battery was only two years old and load tested good. Truck has over 200,000 miles on it so I thought it had to be the starter going out. I just tried to start it this morning and it turned over very slow then stopped and began to buzz like battery was dead. After a few more attempts I could only hear the solenoid click. Dead battery or bad starter is what I thought. Battery still had 12.4v and I thought it should at least make it move. Well I just put a new starter in it and it would not turn over. Going to check my TIPM in the morning but it was weird the symptoms I am having for it to not have been a bad starter.

[@johnm4579]

I have same problem with my 2010 jeep commander, is no crank tipm, >>> I also replaced starter and relay and new key fobs.

[@peekaboo4390]

I need this guy for an hour to show me how to to wire up my transmission swap.

[@bookerol]

Not just DeOxit, but all are now using those flip nozzle sprayer/wasters. Personally, I remove them first thing and replace with a normal spray nozzle.

[@wparkhur]

The added wires could be the AC fix. Online there is a fix that rewires a clutch relay

[@7binus9]

Genuine question, does Deoxit work that well just through a spray application, or would it be better to also manually scrape a bit and blow it out to be sure? I see that it helps and works, but it seems too much like magic to me 😂

[@LesReeves]

I use a non branded electrical parts component cleaner all the time if I get something really green I saturate it give it about an hour & then a good scrub with an old toothbrush never had a problem so far.(I also play aroynd with computers.)

[@DavidScheiber]

all my deoxit cans have done that,not sure why they all seem to leak like that

[@TonyRule]

Do they have two spray nozzles - one when the straw is down and the other being the straw?

[@rkan2]

I've watched plenty of Watch Wes Work to immediately get tipped on the word "TIPM" :P

[@dans_Learning_Curve]

Wess does a great job!

[@newjerseybill3521]

Just remember the Chrysler jingle, "Powers and grounds and TIPMs, Oh, MY!!!"

[@DependableAutoTruck]

i just love it why does things go thru the ABS unit that have nothing to do with brakes. why does so much go thru the radio that has nothing to do with music. could be so simple. wonder what they would do if you ordered a vehicle without a radio and ABS well i guess it wouldn't run but i know you probably cannot order a vehicle without a radio unless its a UPS truck

[@riblets1968]

I suspect they do that to frighten the driver to get it to a shop, preferably one of the networked dealers. The auto makers do not like independent shops and do-it-yourselfers.

[@markfirearms8922]

A clean & reseat of connector, which comes to electrical magic.😁

[@davidsine4390]

Ivan, i want to try and replace the AC relay for my 2008 3500 6.7L Ram TIPM myself. Do you know of any retail sources for that relay? The only one I can find online is the fuel pump relay which I don't currently need. I know Eric replaced a TIPM relay on his sisters vehicle for the windshield wipers on one of his videos, but he never said where he got the relay from. Thanks.

[@jerryking2418]

Another great diagnostic.

[@isalmankhan1]

Amazing you nailed it BRO😍

[@pierrebrunet1529]

how do you charge when the problem is intermitent and the good running is intermitent also how can you charge

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

By the hour :)

[@NoWr2Run]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics LMAO, HOW ELSE ?

[@mrwick4875]

By the hour and experience experience experience ain’t cheap and years of learning

[@johnclamshellsp1969]

Always a great job Ivan. 60107 USA says hi.

[@edthompsom9368]

order the 5 oz Deoxit by model number D5S-6-LMH, the old style with the stick in straw. The "perfect straw" version that you have is model D5S-6P...as you see, it wastes too much product.

[@dougowens2686]

WOW good process

[@kcmal]

What was the red jumper for !!?

[@baxrok2.]

Thanks Ivan!

[@richb419]

Hi Ivan, I don't think this truck is repaired, you just disturbed the problem and it probably will be back

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Maybe... Might take a few years haha

[@richb419]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I do like your work, normally you would look further. maybe it belongs to the brother in-law🤣

[@motomanxxxmotomanxxx]

Fancy chrysler acronym for a fuse box. Same way Chrysler calls a neutral safety switch a transmission range sensor.

[@jamesmilton2736]

Good 👍

[@jtjones4727]

I'm about to buy a new scan tool mines getting a little long in the tooth. I'm trying to decide between the Thinktool Pros and the Topdon Phoenix, which as I understand it, has the same Launch based software that the Thinktool has. I actually like the actual tablet for the Topdon a little better, but they are both the exact same price. Also the Topdon comes with both the wireless VCI, and the backwards compatible OBD1 wiring kit. I'm thinking I might actually get the Topdon.

[@VeryOldSaint]

At 8.33 it shows a C2202 code Original VIN mismatch or missing. What does that mean please?

[@fredautos]

Green Crusties again causing a no crank no start .. 🙃.. well , its was a great fixx

[@jhonditch4269]

now I really miss my 75 B300's

[@billsimpson604]

Imagine the mess with green crusties when they shift to 48 volt electrical systems with wires the diameter of a few human hairs. That is coming in a few years to save cost on copper and to reduce weight.

[@HensleyTransmission]

It amazes me how many customers bring a vehicle with no gas in it

[@musclecarsrt2324]

Sorry Ivan but step one should be a visual inspection. I can’t tell you how many vehicles I have repaired by just looking under the hood and seeing a mouse eating threw wiring or someone has aftermarket things plugged in or battery corrosion just to name a few.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

You can look but don't touch anything! Like my friend Keith says, "hands in your pockets" 😉

[@NoWr2Run]

For how much that stuff cost's it should spray ALL WHICH WAYS & NOT LEAK. But then again for how much that Truck cost's it should have wire connections that are WATERPROOF.

[@brianw8963]

Going out on a limb just for fun , green crusties or it is locked up. 👍👍🇺🇸

[@Sandmansa]

That's so annoying when you move something and the problem just goes away and won't come back. How can you stand behind this when you're not 100% sure what it was? But I guess if it's works fine now, then who's to complain, right? I suspect that we may see this one again in the future.

[@NoWr2Run]

EXPERIENCE.

[@AraCarrano]

The ole Fonzie Technical Tap

[@LesReeves]

Don't you hate it when you replace a part which seemingly has no correlation with the PCM & you get this type of thing happen . So fustrating Cheers Ivan at least it wasn't an OVLOV mate.

[@aymenmohamed1134]

Awesome

[@aurthorthing7403]

Car companies should make this a routine maintenance thing... Unplug the harnesses after 10 years and spray the connections with deoit.

[@thephantom1492]

Or just build it proper with sealed connectors, where water just can not reach no matter what. That is what we do on ours.

[@aurthorthing7403]

@@thephantom1492 that would cost WAY too much for most folks. And it's almost impossible unless you build it like a space shuttle.

[@Gilboy64]

Their goal is to sell you a vehicle not preserve the one you already bought

[@RK-kn1ud]

​@@aurthorthing7403 Most car manufacturers have electrical connections with little to no issues...and they aren't the space shuttle. Dodge always seems to be riding the short bus when it comes to electrical...especially the TIPM.

[@NoWr2Run]

@@RK-kn1ud JEEP & RAM OWNER HERE, 100% WIRING SUCKS.

[@larryparker1585]

Older style LMH D5S available, much neater!

[@martinskeris]

I have 2010 with no crank no start and blank dashboard.

[@knowone6214]

dont ya just love modern electroCRAP

[@melvinjones3895]

Spray and spray again. The can is the only thing that needs fixing.

[@zx8401ztv]

That's so bloody annoying, i would of replaced the starter as well 😞 Next time it will be the starter lol

[@cosmicHalArizona]

Bad ground or that splice is suspect.

[@drewbush6535]

I thought you should have pulled the wired taps.

[@jerryplante4239]

Comment before I watched the video. If it's not what I think, then it's not a bad ground. LOL

[@mtebaldi1]

Wow, this was done a month ago but just posted today 7/26/23? Interesting..

[@georgebell3964]

👍

[@bassthunder819]

..yes DeOxit needs go back to the old design spray nozzle....

[@ameliaroberts3945]

The engine sounds beautiful. must be cause its a Mopar.

[@rrmech11]

👍👍

[@jimmartin9440]

ONE SMART COOKIE!

[@aleskyfinis1025]

Do you need the new tip? Come and look to see what else is gonna

[@kerrylewis2581]

This might have been an NPR repair all along.

[@TonyRule]

Lucky you only touched one thing. Nothing worse than fixing something without knowing what you fixed.

[@sheerwillsurvival2064]

It’s never what I think lol 😏my can leaks same dang way

[@aleskyfinis1025]

Wo ok

[@pantherplatform]

Start/No Crank!

[@Libertad-o-MuerteAZ]

The 'green crusty's' strike again!

[@jeffreyfwagner]

I will show my ignorance by asking : "what is a tipm?"

[@stevenmorris25]

It is The Totally Integrated Power Module.

[@mikesabin8568]

Totally integrated power module. Fuse box that also is a computer in one

[@ghettsumm7949]

Basically its the underhood fusebox. Totally integrated power module?

[@mikesabin8568]

@@ghettsumm7949 power not programmable…. But you can program it

[@homesteadstrings6711]

Total Impediment to Personal Mobility

[@ricanderson5717]

TIPM again! Burn it with fire😂

[@adotintheshark4848]

Heaven forbid if you're color blind trying to read those diagrams. Also watch out for the "red" crusties!

[@almarkowbender]

Another dodge with wiring problems, shocker. Seen so many of these with various issues like this I will never be touching one.

[@jerrybrowder7062]

Oh bro ur friends are over selling it

[@dennisthomas4766]

In the end it's still a Dodge which stands for DUMB OLD DODGE GARAGE ENGINEERING lol I came up with that going to vo-tech in 1978 in mechanics class