Honda Transmission FAIL at 100k miles??

I have a feeling something is really BROKEN on this 2016 Honda Pilot at only 104k miles...
Customer complaint is that it's shifting really HARD out of 1st gear on the first key cycle, and then seems to drive "OK".
Let's verify the customer complaint and follow the factory service procedure to diagnose this transmission issue. Don't get your hopes up...some MAJOR parts may be required xD
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Ivan

[@erniedeguzman9720]

Hey guys! I am the one helping the owner of this Pilot and a long time subscriber of Ivan and Eric O. Below is the problem history of this car: - @39K miles, we replaced all 6 injectors and fuel rails. The injector #4 is leaking. At the time, Honda said it is out of warranty and asking $1900 to fix. Honda had an updated part# for the injector kit. Paid about $600++ for OEM parts. They recently published a TSB on this and the owner asked for reimbursement from American Honda but was denied. - @47K miles, we replaced the push start switch. It would consistently take about 10-15 tries before it will start or stop. Paid about $60 for OEM parts. I believe Honda has a TSB for this but we did not bother reimbursing anymore. - @104K miles, this transmission issue happened. Paid $600++ for the reman valve body and new is backordered for almost a year now. As far as A/T maintenance: - ATF is replaced every 30K miles with Honda DW-1 fluid. They buy them by the case. - In-line transmission filter was replaced at 60K miles. - this car has not been used for towing. - all maintrnance done on this car is as recommended by Honda. (OCI, ATF, rear diff fluid, Brake Fluid, Timing belt, spark plugs, etc.) If you guys search KZbin or Google, this also happens to a lot of Honda/Acura models equipped with their 6 speed transmission. Even their newer 9 speed ZF transmissions have issues. Not sure about their 10 speed. I think Honda knows they have an issue and just not owing up to it. As far as not doing a test drive, the owner complained of the shift shock right after the first gear and said it's perfectly fine after. Also, if you are familiar with NE Philly, the streets are 100 yard squares so it is a bit difficult to drive your car to shift past 4th as you would not have a street long enough without a light or a stop sign. You would have to drive for 20 mins to get to a road that you can get your car to shift past 4th gear. We just stop road testing after the first shift shock. Nevertheless, it was my fault that I did not drive this car on a highway. I just assumed that the owner knows about his car as he always drives along Roosevelt Ave. (Rt. 1). I also failed to look at the gear ratio PID which Ivan did here. I was with the owner during test drives and I was just looking at the CPCA, CPCB, CPCC, engine speed and the line pressure PIDs. I suggested to bring it to Ivan since the CPCA is responsible for the 1st-2nd shift and also 4th-5th shift. I was really hoping and praying for the owner that the issue is only somewhere in the valve body and not the transmission. At the very least, from it being a beached whale, replacing the valve body with a reman enabled the owner to at least drive the car - albeit only a 4 speed.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Thanks so much for the detailed history of the Pilot, Ernie! So even with METICULOUS MAINTENANCE the transmission failed at 104k miles. So much for Honda reliability haha :)

[@volvo09]

Wow, what a lemon of a car... I hope my mom's passport is more reliable than that (it has the 9 speed, 28k miles, I'm going to change the trans fluid when spring is here). If the owner lives in a dense city and doesn't drive much on the highway I'd honestly tell him to just keep driving it until he either gets the money for a trans, or it stops moving. Just tell him to go easy on the throttle since it's slipping the heck out of the torque converter when stuck in 3rd or 4th and generating heat when almoving at slow speeds.

[@pirihern9329]

That was my 1st thought, lavk of maintenance. This was not the case. . I'm shopping for a used honda ridgeline 2006 to 2010. I know about the transmission cooler issues, but know worried about th

[@pirihern9329]

Other tranny issues

[@faxmen09]

As far as the transmission maintenances goes, reads like the owner did the right things. Combined with injectors so early, lemon descriptor seems appropriate.

[@billsimpson604]

It's not just cars, Ivan. Refrigerators, washing machines, and clothes dryers used to last for decades with few, generally inexpensive repairs needed, not anymore. Repairmen tell people to hang onto their older machines as long as possible. Who needs a washing machine with scores of electronic parts and computer chips in it? It is going to wash clothes, not land on Mars.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

100%!!

[@dlewis9760]

I see you left gas stoves out. There's a chance that Biden will force everyone to electric stoves. Whoa be you if you have gas, need a stove and don't have a 3 prong heavy duty plug. BTW, Jill Biden cooks with gas. The elites are a different species.

[@larrybe2900]

Refrigerators are at the top of the list. I had a salesman in the business for a long time say the durability of the new models runs about ten years. He is very frustrated and shared the same as mentioned here. The electric company will urge you to buy a new energy efficient model that will last ten years so what has the consumer gained? Maytag was the iron horse of washers with the strongest transmission but....

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

@@larrybe2900 Maytag and Whirlpool and Frigidaire were indestructible in the previous century. My parents still have all their original appliances from the 80s!

[@lvsqcsl]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics After 33 years I got to meet the Maytag Repairman recently. He replaced the rollers on the drum in my 1989 Dryer. He told me not to get rid of those appliances; you can't buy those anymore.

[@for2utube]

ETCG also talked about seeing more Honda broken stuff in the 201x decade than he ever saw in his earlier years as a mechanic.

[@antonoudenhoven7573]

To bad he doesn't seem that active last months. Love his channel also

[@gfriedman99]

@@antonoudenhoven7573 I think he retired or something

[@jdtractorman7445]

I noticed quality control lacking too. I think it's been an issue for even longer than most people think. Back in the early 2000's, I worked for a dealership that said certain transmissions were "lubed for life" for certain models. Well, that's because they consider 100k the useable life of the transmission. They don't tell the buyer that though, go figure.

[@robbflynn4325]

Further to my previous comment just want to add the following which may be helpful to the owner of this car. I bought a 2005 Honda Jazz (Fit) from new. Manual transmission, gearbox failed after 80,000 miles. Was just out of warranty. Dealer I bought it from was not interested and said I would have to pay for replacement gearbox. Not to be deterred I called Honda UK. They called me back within an hour and said, Mr Flynn, call your dealership again, they will install a new gearbox at no cost to yourself, they were very apologetic. Not sure if this Pilot owner could call Honda USA and plead his case, nothing ventured......

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

My dad has 130k on his 07 Honda Fit 5 speed. only unplanned maintenance so far was 4 ignition coils lol

[@geoeconomics5629]

Manual transmission failed cheap fix

[@even7steven]

You hit the nail on the head with your observation about cars getting more bells and whistles but losing basic quality control. It's an issue that you can see a far back as the mid-2000 european vehicles, korean makes, and everything Chrysler. As you said, in the early to mid 2010s, it started to bleed over to the remaining American and Japanese cars. They all seemed to share the engineering used by european makers and everyone knows how unreliable used eurotrash vehicles are.

[@sierrahixom]

Quality control has definitely hit rock bottom I would've expected more from honda considering they are like what the 2 most reliable vehicles on the road today but at least you are spreading awareness to this situation and we thank you for that

[@dfields9511]

Honda Automatic Transmission are their weak point, you must change ATF fluid and only use the Honda Fluid every 30K, and it will last longer. The Manual Transmissions are solid.

[@jeffryblackmon4846]

I won't be buying a Honda automobile. Thanks for the analysis.

[@sierrahixom]

@@jeffryblackmon4846 it's any modern vehicle honestly nissan has been bad about it for years with their cvt's

[@michaeltrinidad1217]

Like Scotty Kilmer has said Honda was first a motorcycle company they are not good at making automatic transmissions for heavier vehicles like the Honda Odyssey Honda Pilot but they're good at smaller vehicles they're Transmissions hold up and their manual transmissions also

[@mikec81]

everything is trash now its sad

[@craiggoodwin9704]

Ivan, I bought a dodge ($400.00) that stopped shifting into third gear (final gear) when we entered the winter months. Drove it to work throughout the winter and then in the Spring it started shifting into 3rd again. Loved that car. Took out two deer with it. Finally threw a rod one fine summer evening. Ah, the good old days! Thanks for Sharing!

[@kevinsok3011]

Ram pickup trucks have a very similar issue with the 68RFE transmission. The backing plate for the accumulator pistons will either bend or break completely. This causes a leak in the valve body, which then reduces the line pressure greatly for the clutch packs engaging. The clutches then slip to the point of failure due to the reduced line pressure, and even if you remedy the valve body issue, no amount of line pressure will help you because the clutches have been smoked. Usually the first sign of a problem is a slipping transmission and an input shaft output shaft speed correlation code. At that point irreversible damage has been done, and a rebuild or new transmission is needed.

[@svennomore729]

I hope there is an external port on the case for the line pressure to be measured with a pressure gauge while you drive. Then compare the value with the expected range

[@kevinbailey4454]

As a concerted intent, planned obsolescence began with light bulbs with the Phoebus Cartel in 1925. Other industries started picking up on the idea until things progressed to where they are now. Within the automotive world, Sears Die Hard batteries were the first products I can recall that advertised themselves as being, "maintenance free." Not long after zerk fittings started to disappear and u-joints and ball joints started to become "maintenance free." Then came lifetime warranties (for the original owner), then extended warranties, costing a considerable percentage of the original purchase price. Excessive features and user conveniences started their rise to prominence followed by vastly increased complexity and shifting from mechanical to electronic controls. Along the way, durability and reliability started changing places with disposability and we started hearing warnings about our landfills overflowing. Meanwhile, my 1948 Ford 8N tractor just keeps on running. It's a little older than I am and less than overly comfortable, but it will surely outlast me. Ivan's observation about quality control is spot on, but the root of the problem date back 100 years.

[@Paramount531]

IIRC, I believe that the Delco Freedom battery came first, but I'm not willing to bet on it. Transmission reliability has actually increased, but when they do fail the cost is exponentially more.

[@zzoinks]

But back in the day, decades ago, didn't cars need huge tuneups every 50 or 100k miles? But not on modern engines

[@milesmahan]

​@@zzoinks7-10k. Old wrench here

[@DaddyBeanDaddyBean]

I took a '65 Mustang to a local transmission shop. He said he could fix the problem for about $600, but it would only be a matter of time before another seal failed and the problem came back; he could do a full rebuild for $1100, and loved working on 60's transmissions because they're so simple and easy to work on. Ok, do it. When I went to pick it up, he was talking to a young couple about a much more modern car - probably early 2010's, maybe a Chevy, I don't remember - and telling them that he could fix the problem for $2200, but it would only be a matter of time before another component failed, might be a year, might be two weeks, and he could do a full rebuild for $4000. 😢

[@DaddyBeanDaddyBean]

@CJRock I'm sure that's a HUGE part of the price difference. I sincerely wish our prices had been reversed - my Mustang is a toy, and if it needed a $4000 repair, I'd have sold it (with the written estimate from the transmission guy) and never looked back. The Chevy or whatever was their daily driver and I believe their only vehicle, and it wasn't in great shape, so I can only assume $4000 was pretty much catastrophic for them, but they had little choice. 😢

[@sprograt]

That’s the reason I drive a manual here in the UK, automatic transmissions costs thousands to repair when they need repairs.

[@russellhltn1396]

I'm sure a lot of that is the number of gears. My '67 Chevy was 2-speed. My '89 was 3-speed with torque converter lockup. My '13 is a 6 speed. That's a lot more complexity, fiddly parts/seals/gaskets.

[@petepeabody8905]

Ivan I know it's painful to you when an expensive diagnosis has occurred. You strive to repair and make customers totally happy. It is sad car manufacturers have sunk to quantity over quality. Good thing, if any, your job is more secure than ever

[@GregoryGlessnerViolin]

Diagnostic and repair people do have job security now for sure. Problem is all this new junk is clogging up their schedules, and making it hard for everyone to keep their cars in good shape.

[@teekay_1]

Most people can't tell there's something wrong with their car until the engine gives up or the wheels fall off.

[@lucian7182]

That’s why I have gauges to monitor my car. Dynamic advanced multiplier, intake temps, coolant temps, oil temps, oil pressure, feedback knock, fine knock learn, air fuel ratio. Check my oil and other fluids ever other week.

[@fieldsofomagh]

I don't know or was it my imagination than Honda's stick shift gearboxes were fault free but the automatics were very problematic on the euro side. That's been out there for ages. Scotty was right about changing trans fluid more often. 100k replacement is a very painful experience, pocket wise. These newer cars are succumbing to destructive tendencies at a much lower mileage. Diagnosis was on target and the result was inevitable.

[@mannishboy17]

Honda has been known to make some of the worst automatic transmission for like 20 years.

[@gmanjimbo3203]

Complexity is the enemy of reliability

[@larrybe2900]

Enter VW and related brands .

[@PJ-vz1pu]

Yes. My moms Ford escape has a fancy transmission that can send power to the front wheels, rear wheels, or all wheels. Then the trans went out at 110k miles

[@bbkmm1]

Honda always had weak transmissions that can't handle high torque V6 engines. There have been V6 transmission issues going back to their 4 speeds, 5 speeds for decades. It seems their transmissions were made for I4. At least in the later Pilots, they switched over to the ZF 9 speeds. Those ZF's, also in a lot of Chrysler products, aren't the greatest, but are less likely to have catastrophic failures.

[@henrydunbar397]

I have owned 6 Honda Accords from 1980 to 2000 model years about half of them were automatics. Never had any transmission failures and over 170k miles on the 2000 but plenty of ATF changes were done. I would agree the newer models of all makes with more complex transmissions are more prone to problems. Thats why I bought an extended warranty on our 2019 Jeep and plan to trade it when it runs out.

[@jakemroman]

I don't understand why you ruled out the solenoid as the issue, I mean there is a code for it and it's pretty critical to the control of shifting. Also the actuation test looked like it was starting when you pressed it (the current reading dropped to 200ma) but these things take time to run. Would have been good to give the scan tool a chance

[@johnshellenberg1383]

I used to love Honda but in the last while they've had some major issues with transmissions and turbo engines. The transmission issues started about 20 years ago and they don't seem to have really nailed it, with a lot of hit and miss quality. I mean, yeah, they're better than most brands - looking at you VW and Hyundai, but the pressure to add gears without adding size or weight seems to have taken away reliability.

[@johnshellenberg1383]

@Fahrvergnugen Honda has some issues with turbo engines and excessive oil use. They’ve had on and off transmission issues going all the way back to 2000 when they had a run of terrible five speed autos and while things are better now, they still have goofs with respect to these complex units.

[@davidhollfelder9940]

I suspect low line pressure due to clogged main filter .. The main filter is inside the tranny. You have to pull the tranny, and open it up to replace the main filter. At that point, you might as well rebuild (clutches, torque converter, bearings, seals, etc), as the clutches are probably shot.😮 BTW, the engine is due for a new timing belt, and several other items, per the service schedule.

[@arbez.nation]

I've been a Honda/Acura tech since the late '80s. The V6 automatic transmissions have always been an issue. I advise people all the time, "don't buy a V6 automatic Honda or Acura". If you have one, sell it before it hits 100K. Even with regular servicing they are on borrowed time after 100K. If the vehicle is more than a few years old, the transmission replacement will cost more than the car is worth. From my experience, the "rebuilt" units never last as long as the original ones did.

[@georgegonzalez2476]

I agree. I had a 2003 Acura TL and learned the hard way that their transmissions did not last. Acura paid out over $400 million more than they had to in order to satisfy customers with new transmissions just beyond the warranty period. The preceding 4-speed was just fine, something got pushed too hard when they added the 5th speed.

[@v12alpine]

My mother's '04 accord V6 trans started slipping and banging gears around 100k on the dot. Petitioned honda for a new one ended up paying just the labor which was still a huge chunk. Sold it around 160k just to be safe. I can't imagine what most people have to deal with.

[@firstlast---]

210k on my 08 tl shifts fine

[@larrybe2900]

What is the weak link with the extra power?

[@georgegonzalez2476]

@@larrybe2900 Two things. The main 2nd gear is far too narrow and overheats at high power levels. And the shifts are too slow and smooth with the original transmission software. The clutches overheat if you floor it. They added an oil cooling pipe and changed the transmission software to help with those problems.

[@Drundel]

Makes me want to keep my 2012 CRV and when/if there are engine/tranny issues, just have a shop put in a good rebuilt one.

[@edwinlomonaco6754]

My only question would be how this customer maintained their transmission. Did they ever change the fluid? Although I would say, specially being in the industry, that cars now are more throw away than ever. I would also say that makes maintenance that much more important. Often times people simply don't do any maintenance and expect it to last. That's just not possible. But yes......the implementation of plastics. CVT transmissions. Tighter engine bearing tolerances to gain efficiency. Etc. Etc. All contribute to cars that just fail more often.

[@kennethking2301]

That was my question as well. While modern transmissions often do not even have a dipstick anymore, the manufacturers still recommend a fluid change at 60k or 80k miles. I would bet that many people having their cars serviced at independent shops end up not getting that done. I am not knocking independent shops because they may not be aware of a particular manufacturer's recommendation for a particular model unless they spend the time to look it up. Even if they do look it up and recommend it to the customer, I bet a lot of customers decline the service.

[@2nickles647]

A customer stop by. He asked if I could read his CODES? I said yes.. I asked is the check engine light ON? He said yes. Then he said... My dash says Maintenance required?? What does that mean.? I ran the scanner.. No codes I asked him again. You said the check engine light was on? He said O... I meant the maintenance required.. But what does that mean ??😄😄 I told him. At certain intervals. Your car is designed to alert you need to perform the basic maintence functions. He looked puzzled.??? I continued..basic maintenance is changing oil. Changing tires. Changing the transmission fluids or filter if it can be changed. Changing fluids on the axles front or back as required. He replied O

[@edwinlomonaco6754]

@T.J. Kong BMW is famous for this.

[@gimne]

@T.J. Kong actually all of Hondas tranny fluid is recommended to be changed every 30k miles. I believe Toyota has the lifetime fluid

[@calholli]

I looked up some videos on rebuilding this transmission, and on the 2014 Honda 6 speed (which look identical to this) -- the pro transmission guy said that a new secondary solenoid block is less than $300, so I don't know why this guy was fooling around with referbished/ reman's.. There's a video on here called "What you need to know about the Honda 6 Speed Solenoid Assembly." -- who said the diagnostics of the solenoid block is not straight forward, so different codes can be triggered by several different reasons. Also when installing them, there are several little tubes that all have screens in them, and 2 o-rings -- which can leak, and the screens can clog -- so if his "buddy" who installed them didn't know what he was doing, he could have easily botched the job. Granted, it's hard to mess something up 3x in a row, (being that it's the 3rd solenoid block); there is also a 36 min 'webinar" about rebuilding this transmission, and he discusses the valve body a bit too (video is called "Honda 6 Speed Rebuild Webinar - 1/13/15" )... IDK, with that low miles, it's just hard for me to commit to believing that the internals are broken somehow. It really just seems like it's still a secondary solenoid block problem.. Cheers.. (then again, you said the first one was cracked, and with this guy driving this thing to you in limp mode in 4th gear and thinking "everything is running fine" --- there's no telling how long he drove it before with the cracked valve body, and maybe slipping clutches, and burning them up-- too many variables: I can see why you pulled the ejection cord on this one; I'm just thinking in terms of it being my own car, I would still be digging for the answers.. stubbornly . lol).

[@dannylim3318]

Odd, the owner's mechanically inclined friend had the valve body changed twice, but never test drove it?

[@dickmick5517]

His help was free. Give him a brake.

[@TheOnespeedbiker]

David Long, the Car Wizard commented on this when discussing transmissions and gear boxes that required no maintenance for the life of the car; the most obvious question is how the car manufacturers define the "life of the car". The obvious conclusion is about 100,000 miles. So if you want your vehicle to last longer you will need to exceed the recommended maintenance (10,000 miles between oil changes is simply a recipe for early engine failure regardless of the stability of synthetic oils, especially when one considers the oil dilution inherit with GDI) and do fluid exchanges on sealed components that are literally designed to make maintenance difficult if not impossible; such as those that lack a transmission adipstick (with a filter that is not replaceable unless you remove the transmission and crack the case) and gear boxes that lack drain plugs. Another mechanic also explained that manufacturers are churning out newer models at a faster pace than is prudent due to EV mandates that will supposedly make ICE obsolete in 15 years, so whatever technology that has been planned they are being jammed into new car models before they are use tested before the ICE becomes obsolete.

[@lenbigdog2476]

I wonder if he put in the right honda ATF not cheap aftermarket

[@JA-rc4uy]

I am a former Honda certified and ASE certified master technician who worked at my local Honda dealer. I left that place for various different internal reasons. But whenever I’m considering a Honda when car shopping I only look at Hondas with a manual transmission. Honda has really been messing up on their automatic transmissions lately. Don’t even mention CVT transmissions, those things are a disposable joke. If you still want a Honda, I recommend one with a true manual transmission. Most Honda engines have been pretty reliable, but if you want a truly bullet proof drivetrain, I’d look for a V6 3.5 liter engine paired with a manual transmission. Those will run forever with regular maintenance. Otherwise go with Toyota, but I would still avoid CVT.

[@JohnS-il1dr]

What about the 2.4L NA engine?

[@adrianaklar6290]

@@JohnS-il1dr Best engine

[@JA-rc4uy]

@Fahrvergnugen As a former tech of 8+ shops it doesn’t seem like you stick around long enough to really get to know any of the makes. Any internal combustion engine will have some oil consumption due to the fact that no cylinder is truly 100% sealed. I only saw a hand full of the V6’s with EXCESSIVE oil consumption issues. All of those were either modified to output more power, or they were not maintained as they should have been, or both. Otherwise, no issues with the V6 engines. As for CVT transmissions, just about all manufacturers CVT transmissions are for the most part horrendous. Including Hondas, and especially Nissan. If I ever had to, the only make I would buy with a CVT is a Subaru as they have been using CVT transmissions in their cars since the 80’s and for the most part have made them reliable now. If you spent any time at a Honda dealership as a tech then you would know that they have been having issues with their automatic transmissions and now CVTs for a while now. Slipping issues, overheating issues, pressure issues, many before even making it to 50 or 60k.

[@JA-rc4uy]

@@JohnS-il1dr those are really reliable. They do tend to leak oil out of the valve cover gasket and some other minor leaks that can be fixed fairly easily. Mechanically it is a sound engine

[@fcg243]

I had a 2006 Accord with the 3.5 Liter, had issues at 32k miles. The 4 cyl is gar better and doesn’t require timing belt changes.

[@brandonsnider7907]

I saw a stat somewhere -- 90% of all transmission failures are caused by overheating. The fluid burns up and then the transmission follows. Nobody ever does their fluid changes on time.

[@gabesolis4610]

Honda has had transmission problems for years. I owned a 2000 Honda Accord. Those years were plagued with transmission issues.

[@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT]

Bummer! That's why I like stick shift - no such expensive problems. By coincidence, yesterday I watched a 2 months old video from Automotive Diagnostics & Programming, using the Pico and a pressure transducer to diagnose a torque converter problem in a Jeep. I found that very interesting.

[@abdul-kabiralegbe5660]

Thanks for the heads up.

[@Vincent_Sullivan]

SuperArabidopsis; Unfortunately manual shift transmissions are not necessarily more reliable than automatic transmissions. I bought a Pontiac Vibe (sister car to the Toyota Matrix) new in late 2002 and got a manual transmission on that theory. Besides, I prefer them and you have many more options in case of some types of malfunctions. You can't push start an automatic for example. My Vibe uses a Toyota 1ZZ-FE engine and a C59 manual transmission and has been completely trouble free for 20 years - until 2 weeks ago. It is a known defect that Toyota C59 transmission will fail at about 100 - 110K miles due to the poor quality bearings that Toyota used. Many people who drive a lot had them fail in a few years and of course these were repaired under warranty at no cost. Those of us who only have to drive 5K miles a year have them fail at the same mileage - it just takes 20 years. Because a transmission failure can unexpectedly lock up the drive train at highway speed this can result in loss of vehicle control and is thus a safety issue yet Toyota (and the governmental safety agencies) have completely failed to deal with it as such. Toyota should be ashamed of themselves... In my case, because of widespread knowledge of this defect, I was carefully monitoring the transmission for unusual noises and when it started making them I took the car off the road immediately in order to not damage the major parts of the transmission. $3500 later the car is back on the road. The trans guy said the transmission was absolutely mint inside except for the defective/bad bearings. Thanks Toyota! I don't think I'll be buying any more cars from you in the future. I've had 3 and that is enough...

[@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT]

@@Vincent_Sullivan I agree, but generally, there are less parts to fail and it's less expensive to repair a manual transmission, because it's within reach of most car mechanics (doesn't require a specialized shop like www.youtube.com/@PrecisionTransmission), as it's much simpler to dismantle and reassemble. Of course, this is an European point-of-view, where most cars are manual.

[@05Forenza]

Honda has never done transmissions well. Engines? Excellent. Transmissions not so much. All the early 2000's Accord Coupes, Acura CL, Acura TL, Acura MDX, Honda Pilot, Honda Odyssey all had issues with the trans.

[@youandiryan]

I have a 2004 Accord 6 Speed manual Coupe. Pretty rare care. The transmission on my car has 524,636 kms. And she is going strong still. With no signs of failing yet. But I also very regularly change the transmission fluid. About every 30,000-40,000km or so. So that could contribute to why it's lasting. Two years ago I rebuilt the engine, because my timing belt snapped and bents 5 valves. Shop told me it wasn't worth it. So I drove the car home and rebuilt it myself. Learning everything I could from KZbin on the JSeries. Even with five bent valves the car still ran hahahaha. Albeit rough. But since the motor rebuild she runs like an absolute dream. No check engine lights since. Knew absolutely nothing about mechanics. But successfully redid the motor

[@JimmyMakingitwork]

Yeah, we are seeing more transmission failures lately than every before. Also having HUGE problems with rebuilders, compounding the problems further. From what they are saying, supply chain issues, quality control and a general lack of effort from staff is the main factor. Not sure when it will get better?

[@zzoinks]

Honestly it seems cars can really be a financial nightmare, especially lemons. And I don't think any of the companies, Hyundai, Toyota, Volvo, Honda, Ford, etc. really care about their customers. There's just too many horror stories because they try to wiggle out of recalling defects and things like that.

[@mikehonda7934]

I have a 2022 CR-V EX. 12,000m and I’m on transmission number 3. 1st one had a leak at the differential output gear at 8,000m. Transmission number 2 found out was overfilled, and wouldn’t move in cold mornings, and 2h drive later after the fix, transmission blew up. CVT transmissions are unreliable. Wish they would go back to original transmission designs. Less problems and headaches. Or, keep the option of manual cars available.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

WHAAAAT a lemon lol

[@mikehonda7934]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I know!! Sucks man. Luckily I saved and documented everything like I do for all of my cars, and put them on a flash drive. Got a case with Honda now.

[@robbflynn4325]

Not only AT's. Bought a brand new 2005 Honda Jazz (Fit) from new when I lived in the UK. Had a manual transmission, gearbox failed after 80,000 miles. The owner of this Pilot must have been getting pretty horrendous gas mileage.

[@additudeobx]

Ivan, some car history here. I helped my Dad work on my Moms 1960 Ford Station Wagon with a slant 6. Dad had a '61-ish Ford F150. Of course, I wasn't turning wrenches, but I was getting them out of the toolbox to help my Dad. But my point in saying this is that I can remember brand new off the show room floors that couldn't get 10K miles without some major issue. 20K miles for engine failures, trans problems, wheel bearings, differential issues. If there was a car that got 20K without some big issue, it was considered Cherry. A car owned by "Average Joe Family Man" with 100K was pretty mush ready for the scrap pile and time to get a new one. The car manufactures had planned adolescents built into cars. It was raging rampant, and the quality was cheap, cheap, cheap. It wasn't until the Japanese introduced "Foreign Cars" to the US market that the American manufacturers took note and started building much, much better cars to compete with the Japanese. Thats what set the US car market on fire. Today, cars have so many technological advancements and each one of those technologies needs at least one part that can fail. If a car has .1%-part failure rate, a car with a lot of parts will be more prone to failures than a simple car with less parts. Just a fact of physics.

[@Dansk55]

Wow this was very insightful.... I wonder how vehicle products made 2020 and on will be in terms of reliability? Only time will tell. I have learned from your channel to always do research prior to purchase. Carcomplaints is a good source as well and this particular model year had a biggest spike of all Pilots!!

[@thomas316]

10:59 Agree Ivan, I've a '99 Toyota Camry 2.2 and they'll have to pry the keys from my cold dead hand. So simple and reliable! Up there with wood burning stoves and old Singer sewing machines. ☺️

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Drivetrains in the older Toyotas are as bomb-proof as you can get with regular oil changes :)

[@lightningsmokerXx]

Don't forget to keep it oiled , keep that subframe and lines in good shape, krown rust control t40 , rustcheck, fluid film , wool wax usa , corrosion free rustcure formula 3000 . Are your best friends..should you live in a salty environment.

[@neilmurphy845]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics That's true even like you said in the other video the ones made in the 90s and early notes were very good as well.

[@bullbutter9699]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics My New Tacoma with its 12 Fuel injectors is a step backwards in IMHO , Would buy a USED anything before ELECTRIC or Hybrid SCAM trash

[@robertdiehl9003]

Absolutely the truth. I have 2 1998 Toyota Camry 4cyl & both never failed to start & preform plus they absolutely ask for nothing at all but gas and oil. I wish I had $ and property because I would by 15 1997 Camrys and use them for the rest of my life...

[@nickolasnelson5135]

Former Honda tech here. Honda actually used a Chrysler transmission in the 16-17 Pilot. The huge failure point we experienced on those during my time was the transmission warmer failing, leaking coolant into the transmission. Early symptoms included a chirp from the either 2-3 or 3-4 upshift. We had to replace the entire transmission, warmer along with flushing the coolant system.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Very interesting!

[@steveg2203]

I've had a few Pilots, but I thought most of the problems were with the 9 speed? I wouldn't touch a 16 or 17 Pilot I know they were hit or miss. I have a 2020 Passport with the 9 speed and so far has been good.

[@ua7pyro591]

Juuuuunk

[@Fred-F4]

Great info, thanks bro!

[@Azizinum]

Do Honda 2018 pilot have similar transmission issues? or is it safe to acquire one?

[@paulb4496]

If you go on the Piloteers talk forum you will learn that the cylinder deactivation causes overheating of transmission and fluid causing torque converter shudder and all manner of premature wear. Many pilot owners add a device to keep cylinder deactivation from engaging. Frequent fluid changes or switching to synthetic transmission fluid are what a lot of Pilot owners are doing.

[@gulliver3644]

We had the same problem with our Honda Pilot. Same year at 80k in Texas. The dealer replaced the trans after several complaining visits. No charge. Drove it a few months and traded it for a Toyota Tacoma.

[@myk1_sp]

My dad has a 2020 Ridgeline RTL-E with the 9 speed and the transmission can't make up its mind. I hate these ZF 9 speed transmissions and I'm not surprised this one has failed so soon.

[@bigcrowfly]

Honda auto transmissions have always been known for having functions fail at 100k or sooner. The good thing is that if you can live with the hard shifts, slipping, and inappropriate downshifting they will last 300k or more.

[@michaeltrinidad1217]

I'm wondering if that's the same transmission they put in the Honda Odyssey because they've been having nothing but problems.

[@jasonmurdoch9936]

Honestly that your customer probably never changed the transmission fluid until the symptoms arise and then they changed them and by that time then unflushed all the clutch material and everything off and now the transmission is junk

[@PLATINUM2U]

I agree

[@soulmourne2698]

Most old cars were super reliable, and cheap and easy to fix, honestly 2003-2010 are the best cars, couse they already are pretty safe with things like airbags, abs, but not super complicated like they are nowadays, both gasoline and diesel were very reliable in the past, and if they didnt have a turbo even better, now everything has to have a turbo, anyway for reliability is better a manual transmision and for control also, cheaper to fix and cheaper to buy

[@neilmurphy845]

Absolutely there by far the best years to buy.

[@unencumbered]

Have cracks been repaired in the valve bodies? Is a bore becoming distorted during this process? Great video Ivan...keep them coming!

[@robertoruiz7069]

HI IVAN,another good video.This brings up the issue of PROFIT ! How does a car maker increase profit for stockholders and still compete in the market place for BUYERS>>> give buyers MORE FOR LESS that's how!!! More features such as seat warmers, lane detection,No grease-able ball joints,ABS brakes,steering wheels with cell phone controls , radio and speed control,ETC. You get the idea.The weight reduction of cars to keep gas mileage higher= plastic parts,like intakes,oil pans,cooling system parts,fenders and bumpers.Consumers WANT FANCY !!! and they want it CHEAP !!! I'm just saying it's not all their fault,WE as a society have become THE throw away KINGS ,just look at the sidewalks,in your towns and city's. WHEN I drive around I see 40-50" TV'S every day,microwaves,couches,washers and dryers.YES in a way it's sad.The decline of civilization usually is.The question is can WE change OUR STARS? I hope so,thanks for your insight IVAN.

[@golferpro1241]

Driving by the graveyard in my 19 1/2 year old Lexus…smooth

[@petar443]

I would scope the shift solenoids responsible for 1-2 shift while driving and I'll be looking for clean pull to ground at the TCM. I've seen 150 millivolts at control pin to cause similar problems. The problem was the transistor in the computer.

[@WORLDCITIZEN2004]

I have seen some Honda cars have some issues.. I feel Toyota is a lot better.

[@Garth2011]

It's a better idea to change fluids on a new car sooner in its initial journey into the future. I have seen several auto makers print in owner manual's that trans fluids don't need changed until 100,000 miles ! Sounds more like the marketing department is making up those service intervals. Any new vehicle should have the transmission and filter changed after about 10,000 miles and the engine oil and filter after just 3,000 miles. Forget what the service books say...the main idea is to remove the first round of fluids early because they are the ones which deal with breakin periods, tolerances working in, clutches wearing in their patterns etc. and leaving all of the debris and contamiants in that fuild longer than needed shortens the life of the original fluid in a large way plus the debris. Once that is done, many shops and vehicle owners who are aware and tend to be proactive with servicing will change the trans fluid again in 25,000 to 30,000 mile and thereafter. There's no reason for a modern automatic trans to not exceed 150,000 if its getting fresh fluids often. On another note on "new transmission"...I wouldn't spend the money on a new one. I'd find a reliable transmission rebuilder who does soley transmissions as they usually know what the factory flaws are and have the methods to correct them. Not all tranmission rebuild shops are well versed in this so you have to be sure you have the right shop. A good trans builder will disassemble and clean the old one and look for wear/damage and then order all new gaskets, seals, a Transgo shift correction kit that comes with all of the valve body improvements, springs and other components that need upgraded and then reassemble everything with correct methods, torque wrench, correct gaps, upgraded bearings, clutches etc. A good shop will deliver a much better transmission than the factory rebuilds or new ones. There's a big majority of tranmissions that have flaws engineered into them with limited quality parts and there's no point in starting all over again with that when a decent builder can get you a better one for likely less investment.

[@stevec5657]

Assuming this guy's not the original owner, it's possible the odometer was rolled back before he purchased it, (very common). It might be worth it for him to run a history report and verify the actual mileage.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Even 104k miles is above average for a 2016 lol

[@topher8634]

Rolling the odometer back is pretty involved with modern vehicle. That mileage is written in more than one module. The modules would have to be at the least reprogrammed. You may have to replace some of them too. Honda computers are not cheap. At that point there would be no benefit to tampering with the mileage.

[@_RiseAgainst]

Pay the toyota tax!

[@markwhitaker7887]

I agree. I dont think cars are designed to last more than 100k. I wish I still had my 62 Ford Falcon. As for Honda, the Accord I bought in the early 90's was a lemon.

[@pharezknights5467]

Spool valve inside the valve body is stuck in its bore, or the o ring for the fed line is bad, common honda problem

[@goodtimes2654]

If there is a weak spot in Honda it has always been their transmissions.

[@moldingpro7208]

Not valve body problem. Pressure switch problem. There are five pressures switches. Cheap and easy to replace. The transmission computer is looking for a specific range of pressures before shifting into each gear. My suspicion is that one or more of the pressure switches is bad?

[@paulrosowicz5117]

I have a 2012 Ridgeline with 151k with a 5 speed auto and it's the pressure switch. Mine would shift 1-4 fine but not go into 5th. Flashing D on the cluster and CEL. I was looking for a comment like yours before I posted one.

[@shawnbauman5463]

Ever notice a lot of good technicians drive older stuff....it's not a coincidence. Collectively I have three vehicles with total of about 400,000 miles between them. Original guts to each transmission... Oh they are manuals to boot.....

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Our 4 vehicles have over 1,000,000 miles combined...2 manuals on 2nd clutch, 2 autos on 2nd trans haha

[@cyberslacker5150]

No thank you. I don't want newer cars with bells and whistles that are shoddily built, do break down and are expensive to fix. I'll stick with my old cars. Or I'll buy a Toyota.

[@wdhewson]

The best engineers at Honda are in the engine department. The worst engineers are demoted to the transmission department.

[@philjerome9795]

I'm not a transmission expert, but if the owner keeps driving it with that problem, it going to lead to even more issues, like broken hard parts. The prior generation Pilots had five speed transmissions, which are very reliable.

[@HereCHOCYchocy]

Planned obsolescence In economics and industrial design, planned obsolescence (also called 'built-in obsolescence' is a policy of planning or designing a product with an artificially limited useful life or a purposely frail design, so that it becomes obsolete after a certain pre-determined period of time upon which it decrementally functions or suddenly ceases to function.

[@sunnyskiesblue]

I had a transmission rebuilt once and they put in the wrong valve body. 🤣

[@aaronsrose]

My '13 HCH junked a speed sensor. The alldata specifically said the code could not be caused by a mechanical failure in the transmission. Turned out one of the main CVT gear support bearings suffered a cage failure and the gear could move just enough to smack the sensor and ruin it. Tore it apart, replaced the bearings and back in business. (Though I don't think it was quality control on my civic. It had 226k on it when I bought it as a brick from IAAI and I don't think the trans had ever had a fluid change.)

[@justsumguy2u]

Ever since the 90's, Honda has had a real hit/miss reputation with automatic transmissions. Some models last forever, and some models were clunkers from the factory. One thing is for sure, Honda quality ain't what it used to be

[@vladimirtalijan]

The problem is that Honda never had an automatic transmission made by them, it was always someone elses up until 2018. and those transmissions are now bulletproof.

[@Schnippen_Schnappen1]

Newer Honda/Acura transmissions are absolute garbage

[@randallgoldapp9510]

When I was a kid back in the 70's, cars didn't last much past a hundred thousand miles. Now it's not unusual to see ones with two or three hundred thousand miles on them. Sometimes stuff just breaks.

[@larrybe2900]

I mentioned this as well. Imports was the best thing to happen to the US market. Now we seem to have reached a plateau or slid back a bit.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

90s and 2000s cars and trucks in general racked up the miles without too much trouble. Now there are too many modules and complex drivetrains which hurts reliability for sure.

[@randallgoldapp9510]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I think they use to much plastic in engine components as well. I've watched you channel long enough to see that plastic has no place in the extreme environment inside an engine. Still I'm hoping for the best because my 2007 Impala is nearing the end of its life.

[@timewa851]

@@randallgoldapp9510 it's the plastic. Everywhere it does not belong. Seen an Audi using it as crankcase breather tower. ??? Yeah, the boost beast burst that assembly.

[@faxmen09]

Wonder if the owner ever changed or had the transmission fluid changed. In my experience, even a simple fluid drain and fill at some regular interval (25-30k mi.) is helpful for transmission longevity. Especially so with V6 I'd think. That what I've followed with my 07 3.0L V6 Accord. Shifts like a champ.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Every 60k is my rule of thumb for trans fluid :)

[@faxmen09]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Yeah, 60k sounds ok. Certainly, better than none. IDK if you mean complete fluid exchange or simple d&f. On Honda the latter is almost as easy as an oil change. Some say easier. Generally, changes out ~3 qts give or take. Anyway 25-30k mi using MaxLife Full Synthetic MV has worked for me. Even on the notorious 01 Civic AT.

[@neilmurphy845]

@@faxmen09 Yes maintenance is really important because it goes a long way to make things last.

[@topher8634]

@@faxmen09 idk if it has changed or not but Hondas use to not have a replaceable filter for the transmission. All you could do was drain and fill. Or flush if you chose. They use to hold only 3 quarts of fluid too. But you wanted to get Honda fluid. Or that's what I was always taught. I've heard tell of folks using dexron with a friction modifier additive added to it but I wouldn't recommend it. Honda transmissions are already flaky.

[@faxmen09]

@@topher8634 Now Honda does now use/have some serviceable trans filters for their ATs. As for the fluid used, over the years I've done significant research on trans fluids for my Hondas, since ~2001. Hondas first ATF, "Z1" was garbage. It was a convention base stock fluid that was proven to sheer very quickly. DW1 is synthetic blend base stock ATF, better than Z1 but still nothing special. I have used MaxLife Full Synthetic MV for a very long time, at least couple 100 thousand miles, multiple Hondas, with excellent results. So, I'll continue to use it. I would add though, "IF" I owned a Honda under Honda warranty and was going to do a simple d&f, out of an abundance of caution, I'd use DW1. Like Z1 before it though, it is absurdly priced.

[@thihalin3255]

Thank Ivan .I am diagnosing the same code on Honda Accord 2006.

[@alexw28349]

Interestingly I have a 2008 Ford Focus auto that does the same thing, first key cycle will rev up real high before shifting HARD into 2nd and then will shift fine the rest of the drive until I park it and let the trans get cold again.

[@andyg5004]

Honda auto trans are weak.

[@sierrahixom]

While I do agree nissans are worse because of their cvt's

[@MrSamPhoenix]

In the late 1990s & early 2000s yes. But after 2007 they’ve been pretty stout. The problem is that with their unique design is the fluid. It breaks down quickly & most owners will only change it every few years… which is very bad. We own several Honda/Acura vehicles & the transmissions shift super smooth. The secret is to actually service the thing every year.

[@brianw8963]

I am not a fan of the cvt’s , but Honda and Toyota do make the best, IF they are maintained, but that is usually not the case. I’ve seen many otherwise good GM pickup transmissions fail for the same reason.

[@sierrahixom]

@@brianw8963 yes and servicing in general is neglected makes you wonder if those people who don't know maintenance is a thing would be better off with an EV at this point

[@brianw8963]

@@sierrahixom In all fairness, the manufacturers are as much or more at fault as they claim zero or very little trans. maint. as selling points. They know they will last past the warranty, even Toyota is guilty of this. VW used to claim theirs NEVER needed serviced. Didn’t take them long to change their tune on that!

[@gregreitan3634]

Let me guess, never serviced? Lifetime fluid? I do a dump and fill on my honda cvt every year. I have been using Castrol CVT\ATF with no problems.

[@mikefoehr235]

I have ours changed every 100 000 kms

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Even if never serviced it should go at least 150k...

[@MrSamPhoenix]

Yo, we have several Honda/Acura (2001 V6 Honda Accord, 2007 Acura TL, 2010 Acura TL, a 2009 Honda CR-V, & a 2012 Acura TL) vehicles & maintenance is key. I personally make sure to perform a drain & fill of these “Hondamatics” twice a year. That 30,000 mile maintenance interval is based on a best case scenario only. If you drive like a straight monkey 🙈 or in super hot areas change the fluid often. It’s super cheap & working on these cars is easy.

[@CajunShrek]

Baby try some sort of transmission treatment or conditioner kind of stuff to see if it'll help the transmission?

[@davidgilpin5200]

For what it's worth, a "leading consumer magazine" shows that the 2016 Honda Pilot has "much below average" reliability for transmission-major. Comments show transmission failures as early as 60k miles. Honda's automatic transmission continue to dog them, started back with the Accord in the early 2000s. Time to find a quality transmission rebuild shop, but shops like #precisiontransmission are hard to find.

[@raymondreiff8170]

Yes He's is Very Good at rebuilding Transmissions 🇺🇸👍

[@MrUGA2010]

What a video and coincidence; I have ‘17 Accord, I4 engine and right now it has that “transmission system problem” at its display and it goes out anytime I turn off the car. It’s very sporadic and goes off out of nowhere. My car has 68, 000 miles on it. It’s been like this in past 10 days, it does shift and it drives but the only thing that hesitates is between 2-3 shift, I’m letting it to shift on its own in higher gear but it takes time. So what I’m doing I simply tap the gas pedal and it shift immediately after it. I can drive 80mph no problem. I took it to the dealer one day about a week ago and they scanned it for P0741 code and I was advised to replace the transmission altogether. I was quoted for nearly $7000 to replace it at a local Honda place. I was devastated. I’m still driving it diligently from home to work and back of course; As is situation it can give up tomorrow but at the same time another 200k miles as is, who knows; I’m baby the car from the day one and I’m second owned; I put nearly 50k miles on it while in my possession; My 16 CRV also has the same transmission and it has 105k no CVT issues yet, knock on the wood; another mechanic says it is electrical problem on it and I plan to change few things on in in coming weeks Great video in many ways resembles my situation! 😅

[@dangleebols]

Seems like manufacturers attitude now days is it just needs to last the lenghth of the guarantee from new.

[@brainndamage]

Always has been, they're just getting better at "lifetime engineering' the exact lifetime of parts

[@MrSamPhoenix]

That’s always been the case. The Japanese has always tried to avoid this though. & I’ve been seeing a ton of transmission failures of newer cars lately. It’s mostly because people buy these things, drove them like monkeys 🙈, & never performing any maintenance. Failure is bond to happen.

[@tundras4ever552]

We need better laws to protect consumers from being screwed over by dealers/auto manufacturers. Someone that can provide proof that maintenance was done according to manual shouldn't have to pay for a transmission bill at 100k miles.... fucking absurd.

[@gregwhite5058]

Kind of ironic that the odometer on my 1986 Ford Crown Vic doesn't have a dial for the 100,000 mile digits and yet the car is now over 300K with the original engine and transmission and very minimal problems.

[@radsdad1]

This transmission is the hardest on fluid I have ever seen. I drain/fill mine after every oil change on the Ridgeline. Luckily, it's extremely easy.

[@atikovi1]

You might hear the solenoid clicking, but is the plunger it's actuating actually moving? It's filter screen might be clogged with debris preventing movement or fluid flow.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

The "clicking" sound is made by the moving plunger. Only variable is if it's not moving through the entire stroke 😉 I'm still wondering what was wrong with your Fiat 🤣

[@CajunShrek]

When you change the valve body assembly don't you have to do a transmission adapter shift relearn?

[@ちくてぬしくけて]

Honda makes bullett proof manual transmissions, but crappy autos. My 2011 suburban lt 1500 with 300k miles outlived my wife's 2016 pilot with 130k miles. Tranny died, even though we serviced it every 30k miles since brand new. My 2005 rsx-s beater is a 6 speed with about the same miles as my suburban and still shifts smooth!

[@JohnattanRivera1984]

These new Hondas are not know for neglected ATF service. There is a bulletin that states the ATF breaks down early due to AT

[@gianfrancoa]

Not sure if Honda has a service interval for this transmission, but most manufacturers are going with " sealed for life" transmissions. Well, looks like " life" in the Honda world equates to 100K miles.

[@jerryrobbins7256]

You are so right about newer cars and trucks, too many electronic to mechanical that can fail after many heat cycles.

[@MikeyG003]

There’s nothing really fancy and new about the 2016 pilot lol it’s basic and simple tech. The newer turbo motors and 10 speed transmissions are a bit more complex. Probably something owner isn’t telling you Edit: looks like Honda just sucks.

[@cullenmiller8170]

It would have been nice to see the original fluid for sure. Did you check the extra valve body if the spool valve inside was stuck? I’m wondering if there are floaties in the fluid that could get the spool valve stuck? If that design uses spool valves. I have never taken a Honda transmission apart.

[@timewa851]

THe Honda autos from 1990's are like their earlier two & three speed autos, they use motorcycle-like clutchpacks to transmit torque.

[@jasonsong86]

My brand new 2021 Passport is fairly poorly put together. $43k brand new vehicle with sand in the paint on multiple body panels. Fit and finish issues on all body panels.

[@WhittyPics]

Transmissions and ACs are the weak part of a Honda

[@terrydoberstein6742]

Looks like this new generation of workforce is finally showing in products that can be purchased.

[@skonasa]

Hi Guys, I have. a 2012 Acura MDX, which is showing similar symptoms. The car drives smooth first thing in the morning with no jerks. Once the engine heats up, then it skips the 3rd gear with a thud. I have P0776 code which is stuck solenoid B off. I have changed the solenoid body valve. done 3x3 ATF flush, changed the transmission filter, changed pressure switches. Any suggestion would be helpful.

[@anajay78]

It’s a travesty they eliminated dip sticks in automatic transmissions.

[@Echo024]

I’ve been saying this for awhile now but I shudder to work on these new 2023’s in about 10 years when they’re nice and rusty/corroded. I’ve also seen a lot of disappointingly early Honda failures lately starting with ~2014 model years. Start checking the trans fluid on the CR-V’s - I’ve found a lot of them will be burnt.

[@DallasACdotcom]

2012 CR-V had a juddering problem. My 96 Marquis did the same thing when the fluid overheated. On the Honda I triple drained and filled with Honda factory fluid. Fixed it. No torque converter needed which is what the dealerships were recommending

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Many 2023 models will be sidelined due to electrical and GDI problems before they have a chance to get rusty LOL

[@bensmith6051]

I bought a new 2014 Honda Odyssey and maintained it very well. Even kept up on the ATF fluid change with DW-1. The 6AT had a harsh 1 to 2 shift at 140k miles, no codes. Put a new honda valve body new, hoping that would fix it. Valve body pipe screens were all clean. New valve body did not help shift issue. Had to replace entire transmission. Not what I expected on a well maintained, one owner Honda. Definitely a weak link in Honda’s powertrain.

[@kevin9c1]

Honda doesn't build good automatic transmissions and probably never will. The replacement for this 6 speed is a ZF 9 speed.

[@JayCubEdVentures]

Damnit I just recently purchased a 2017 honda pilot with 69980 miles on it currently has 70450. I just now started to realize how much maintenance I have to up keep in order to make sure it runs smoothly 🤦‍♂️😅

[@SHSPVR]

This is a common problem with all transmission usually what fails is the transmission piston seal it's the piston can't engage the clutch pack then it simply will not work this is what the end result is it sounded like when it shifted from first to second really hard something was going on could have gotten a piece of debris stuck in there and it went to full pressure which this is not good on a piston seal because it can literally break the piston or crack it or even rip the seal apart in any case this can be repaired if you can get the rebuild parts for H6 BYKA 6 Speed Transmission and if you know how do it you self or find a Honda transmission specialist

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

That's a possible cause for sure. It never shifted to second gear though...just defaulted to limp mode in 3rd and 4th :)

[@VvisualsMediaSolutions]

Fuel injectors suck on honda Pilot 2016+. I own a 2017 it did the same fresh from the dealership. You also have to keep changing the transmission fluid every 20-30k miles.