Haunted Hyundai...is BACK?! - Part 3 (P0507-Idle Too High...After Repairs?)

[@MrCodyswanson]

I have a 2012 hyundai santa fe with the 3.5L V6 and carbon buildup on the throttle body is a known issue. Shortly after we bought the car we were sent a TSB about it, the dealer updated the ECU software. Now every time we shut off the car you can hear the throttle cycling a handful of times. The dealer where we bought the car keeps trying to get us in for an "air intake cleaning" service for $280. Once a year I take the air box off and use some throttle body cleaner to clean the deposits around the throttle plate. Most of the issues I've had with the car have been due to 1) the engine oil pressure switch which are prone to leaking and sit under the intake and 2) the oil filter housing which sprung a leak last year. Despite my biases regarding hyundai quality we've had a an uneventful 9 years of ownership despite it being my wife's daily driver and cold Alberta winters.

[@thereissomecoolstuff]

You have a Canadian Hyundai...Big difference. The steering wheel is always sticky from maple syrup....

[@nickmalone3143]

@@thereissomecoolstuff ...castro Trudeu declare canadians by a $60,000 EV yet ....when does he come up for re-election ?

[@robpeabo509]

Try the Subaru upper cylinder head cleaner. Best product on the market and actually endorsed by a vehicle manufacturer. I think you use it every service or every second service at less than $20 a can and 10 minutes of your time last time I used it. That in combination with Subaru injector cleaner and your car will thank you! Other manufacturers use it! I know you can buy other branded products, though they are very costly and in my opinion are way to caustic, that's why you would use them once a blue moon.

[@simonsackett]

D'you know what I love the most? Hearing "That's interesting" when most of us would be saying "WTF is going on here??!"

[@dharley189]

He let a “Oh $hi*+” slip in the part 2 video. Yeah I don’t think interesting is first word that comes to mind ‼️

[@kevinbarry71]

High idle? It is a Hyundai! Just be grateful it runs

[@ferrumignis]

Disappointed to see Ivan scraping the inside of the TB with a pick and smashing the butterfly open and closed rather than actually finding the cause of the binding. Seems like frustration got the better of his on this job, but we've all been there.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Quite the opposite... Cause of binding is subpar quality of the TB. I just gently prolonged its life 😆

[@chandima00027]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics only you need to do is do a "IDEAL LEARN" from your scanner..

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

@@chandima00027 won't work if it's a mechanical problem 😅

[@maubunky1]

My 99 Honda Accord V6 throttle body had a special molybdenum adhesive coating applied in a ring around the bore, where the butterfly valve comes into contact with it. I accidentally cleaned it off with carb cleaner and a superfine grit grey scotch brite thinking it was carbon buildup. My idle was then surging repeatedly up and down about once per second, but replacing the IAC valve fixed that so I must've ruined it by letting a lot of carb cleaner soak it. I tried taking the IAC apart and drying it out but no luck. Replacing with an intermotor brand one worked. I ended up buying a moly coating that cures and dries like paint and carefully painting it back on with a fine artists brush and let it dry overnight. It's worked great for years since then.

[@winch1587]

I was once taught by a mechanic to never clean the throttle body directly with cleaner. Spray some on a rag and wipe. By spraying directly, you cleaned out any lubricant that is at the pivot points, causing it to bind. Also possible that someone once took the buttrfly out and now it's not centered on the shaft. Loosen the screws a bit and cycle the butterfly, then tighten again. Not sure what to use as lubricant on the shaft ends.

[@fredwalker839]

Wireless throttle body , all with “plastic” drive & driven wheels , wear out premature, plastic driving plastic ? Most are made like that ! Junk ! Tail light warranty on that fix ! LOL,, it “will be back !” Again,,

[@W.Khairi]

Good point

[@aronquezada4603]

I really like this point , clean it then loose the screws and tight them back !

[@Peter-pv8xx]

A few years ago I bought a 2006 elantra with the 2.0 engine, I fixed what was needed and sold it to my friends girlfriend who was going through bankruptcy and needed a car because her 07 Sante fe was repossessed, I only charged her the original price and only for parts I had installed which included a new radiator all new front wheel studs and nuts because they were on so tight that most of them broke off when I had to replace the front rotors, the pads were new, all told I put about 500 into it and sold it to her for 2,500. She paid me back a little at a time and when she found a good job, she was an accountant but was bad with managing her money, she eventually bought a 2017 Sante fe and gave me the elantra To sell for her, a neighbor of mine bought it then his father passed away and he sold it and took his father's car, that car was driven from NJ to Maryland, from Maryland to Ohio back to Jersey and to Maryland a few more times with zero issues, she even got a speeding ticket for doing almost 90, did I mention that the car had 199,000 miles on it when I bought it? What happened to Hyundai since, that 2 litre engine was great and the car was fun to drive, the only thing wrong with it was that the insurance was double what it was for any comparable make and model, I to this day don't know why and nobody had an answer for why, I tried several insurance companies and they didn't know either, that car is still running today six years after I bought it, my neighbors nephew is a mechanic and he used to work for Hyundai, he came over to inspect and gave it his seal of approval, the only thing he reccommended was doing the timing belt because we didn't know when and if it was ever done, he did it at the shop he works at now for the price of parts only.

[@craiggoodwin9704]

Ivan, the best part is you got it shipped down the road. Bet we're all gonna go out and buy one now! See you at the dealership. Thanks for Sharing!

[@dustcommander100]

Great repair! I can see you you would run out of patience on something like this - it truly is a test of patience...... I'm helping a friend with a old car now, and every time we ride in it, he finds another issue. Difference is, it's a car from the 50's!

[@twistedwrench490]

“Stupid Hyundai “” as he thumb punches the hell out of the throttle body 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@davetestu]

You got a good brain joined with a first rate disposition like all the very good mechanics on KZbin like Wes, Eric O, Mustie 1, Scanner Danner, and the rest. Havin one aint no good without the other. Keep up the good work and great videos.

[@wolveric0]

i got a p0101 code on my mazda 3 2010 right after i replaced the radiator fan assembly, fairly easy job but i tough that maybe a crack the intake manifold or created a vacuum leak on the seals, or maybe a purge valve leak, it end up been a dirty throttle body, but after cleaning it i got a god damn p0507, i drove the car for a week but still the same, the way i fixed it was disconecting the battery for 30 minutes, plug it back, start the car and let it idle for 20 to 30 minutes in park and after that 15 to 20 minutes in D, now my idle is perfect, it seems the Mazda 3 2010 had an issue correcting the TB idle after cleaning.

[@davidgilpin5200]

Ivan, great series. IF this boomerang comes around again and needs a throttle body, I'd slap on that reman Cardone throttle body from Rockauto (around $110 plus shipping and core charge), ensure no codes, reduce your written warranty to 90 days for this specific repair and ship it back to the owner with instructions to sell that nightmare ASAP!

[@thejoneseys]

Just finished all three installments back to back. You just know that's gonna be back. I'll bet on another injector failing 😁 The smoke levels in episode 2 made me giggle. Really admire your levels of patience!

[@quicksilver462]

Thank you so much for reminding me why I stick with my 22 yo GM 3800 series II (L67)!

[@gillgetter3004]

Wish I still had mine

[@vwwrenchie314]

Too true !👍😎

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Good choice 👌

[@davidheinzmann4403]

12 yo Buick LaCrosse. 3.8 only 73k!

[@quicksilver462]

@@davidheinzmann4403 Holy COW, "still in the wrapper!"

[@noelcastle3986]

Great repair and NPR the best repairs. The more I see these direct injected engines give trouble at relatively low miles the more I'm not interested in owning something with that technology just to get improved gas milage. I suppose the manufacturers are forced to use these high maintenance technologies very high fuel pressures and carbon fouling of valves to conform to strict emission and efficiency requirements. Your spot on with your negative observations working on these late model money pits.

[@stigonutube]

Good Fix Ivan,ship it quickly LOL..i had a hyundai grandeur with similar problem idle high, it had a special coating eg black teflon or something around that area, of course i thought it was carbon and cleaned it and it was filthy but i took a bit too much off..lol say no more..hey i learnt a lot since then..

[@Garth2011]

Just a little TLC for that neglected Hyundai in previous ownership. Oil changes are a must to be on time. Throttle body cleaning and air filters are likely needed more often. No reason to sell it now...solid runner at the moment.

[@martinzeddy]

And once again Ivan the Master resolves the issue - no parts required!

[@DonDegidio]

Hi Ivan, You've put some serious time into this car. Hope it stays repaired. At least you have warned the owner of the throttle body problem. You and your family stay safe.

[@jackpatteeuw9244]

I predict the throttle body will have to be replaced within 1 year.

[@htownblue11]

Great series on this one with an unexpected ending after fixing the original issue.

[@masterjoe3000]

Wisdom of the day: I'm gonna ship it before it breaks again"😂

[@W.Khairi]

Oops Ivan this car got u naked....Love it. On a more serious tone, This car diag series is one of the best I have ever seen. Much appreciation for ur patience and courage, Thank u.

[@TedTedness-wu4vb]

My lowered Hyundai Kona 1.6T seems to like it's TB cleaned every 30,000 miles. I do it while on the car with gun Qutips/small cut & thin micro fiber towel from Menard's soaked in cleaner/spray. A 2x4 on the throttle/seat with ign on, as forcing a Hyundai/Kia TB open can screw it up. 10 minute job.

[@brainndamage]

It looked like the plate wasn't aligned with the opening. Loosen those 2 screws, hold the plate all the way closed to keep it aligned, and retighten the screws. Why it would get misaligned I have no ides, unless someone was messing with it before. Or it could be aligned well but the gears are binding, in which case yeah, new TB

[@secretsquirrel9722]

To answer your last video question you posed. It's a hard balancing the new vs old debate as a mechanic. Something I debate with myself all the time. I tend to agree with you, that if you want the most reliable, cheapest in the long-term, functional transport on offer. You can't beat the late 90's through the 2000's cars in manual = potential for hundreds of thousands of relative cheap motoring km's with a built in tolerance of short term neglect. The peak of engineered to last. But the allure of later model cars, which are mostly WAY better to drive in every way. Fuel consumption while making more power, NVH, far superior safety and connectivity etc, etc. BUT modern buyers have skewed the market to trendy, useless models. The biggest problem with modern engineering heavily geared towards emissions and longevity pulled right back to planed obsolescence. Is that they now have no window for mistreatment before the cost gets real big, real quick. But they're being sold to a generation of people that grew up with treating their cars like crap without consequences. It's a failure of the auto industry to educate people of what their buying. It's gone full circle back to the muscle car era. You can have all the fancy modern stuff cheap. But you need to service it thoroughly within an inch of it's life like clock work!!! For example . . . In Aus, it became a legal requirement to speak to the customer about their driving profile before buying a modern diesel due to the DPF requirements. Because they were selling them like cheap hot cakes to people that felt the power on amazing fuel economy. Only to have cars breaking down in only 25,000km due to only dropping the kids to school in urban sprawl. Enter Toyota's billions lost on dpf payouts. Small side note : I notice every where in America doesn't blink at these higher mile cars like they should be perfect still. It's generally accepted that at 200,000km (120ish miles), you should expect a mistreated car to die and a good car to start needing more expensive work much more regularly.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Great comment. In general, new cars obviously offer the latest in comfort and convenience. That is what 97% of car users (I hesitate to call them "drivers" haha) want in a car...a comfortable appliance. The other maybe 3% actually enjoy the experience of driving a machine that has inherent character, of shifting your own gears, of gracefully carving a corner in a car that most people would have sent to the crusher 10 years ago :)

[@secretsquirrel9722]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 100%. I can't move on from my 2002 mazda6 wagon. Driving dynamics that would shame any 3 series of the time. Better engine performance with better fuel economy and with rear seats that fold flat at the pull of 2 handle located at the back of the luggage space. Huge practically. My one gripe as is common on this era of mazdas across the board in Australia. It tuning to meet emissions! It says it can take mid-level fuel but anything less than the top premium fuel and it sounds like a diesel in a high gear, at low rpm, under load(hill). I would wager a loss of negligible power to knock a couple of degrees off that part of the map. But I'd assume the emissions would go up. Love your channel Ivan!

[@willf5768]

I like the old carburetor on my 68 mustang still going .😊

[@lvsqcsl]

This is getting serious; Ivan has his shirt off at 5:18. There is no doubt in my mind that I need one of these cars. The old Mercury has got to go! I definitely want one of these! I hope the owner trades this thing off and Ivan doesn't need to work on it anymore. Great video!

[@MTLeopold]

Personally I think Hyundais are great. Lots of entertainment value there.

[@chillybrit2334]

Clicked on this Pt 3 and immediately thought - uh oh, air leaking past those upper combustion chamber seals on the injectors that Ivan chose not to replace..... lean mixture... high idle. Now to watch the other 10 minutes of the video and I'm sure my fears will come to be unfounded.

[@chillybrit2334]

Unfounded indeed. Given how "clever" the computers and monitoring thereby is, why would it throw an idle too high code as opposed to a throttle idle position poor performance code or some such? Maybe there is no stored value for the idle position of the throttle plate in the expectation that the throttle body will become carboned up and the value will therefore increase over time. Maybe it's fine and it seals against the ever growing carbon ring day to day, but disturb it - it no longer sits in its carbon gunk happy spot quite right leading to this. As bad as the carbon build up is on valves and throttle plates with GDI petrol engines I'd much rather deal with this than the emissions control systems on modern diesels.

[@billjohnson3858]

Is it possible to loosen the 2 philips screws that attach the disc to the shaft and allow the disc to move slightly to increase the clearance?

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Nope screws are permanently fixed in place

[@AP9311]

It just needs a good cleaning job on those as deposits can form and impede throttle movement. I see it in gm as well. Common issues!! Great job fixing that Ivan!! Great conclusion!!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Deposits is one thing... But a deformed bore is embarrassing lol

[@briantii]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Not to Hyundai - they don’t care. ;-)

[@durbinmotorworks6253]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Was the high idle code present in the initial scan?

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

@@durbinmotorworks6253 It couldn't really idle with a dead injector so the ECM didn't get that far lol

[@lstruggy]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnosticsI’m having this code atm w my 07 jgc 3.7 I’ve replaced tb new plugs and I’m still getting p0507 I’m replacing the tb again w another one (Amazon) they resent me a new one maybe the one they sent me was defective will see what happens after that switcharoo but I hope I don’t have a vacuum leak, will a bad purge valve canister also cause the p0507?

[@aronquezada4603]

The throttle body should be closed completely correct ? I have the same issue with my Kia Sorento 2017 , was working good but dirty on the TB then I cleaned it so now I have the p0507 code intermittent! I will do what u u did it ( clean it again , open and closed manually if doesn’t work I will buy a new one !

[@johnleinen7167]

My 03 Ford Focus Vin z 2.3 timing chain engine now has 248k daily driver, has plastic throttle body not drive by wire no issues ever,my 03 Acura MDX is electronic drive by wire at 217k is acting up now. All drive by wire throttles die!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Yes I've never seen a mechanical TB wear out, but have replaced a handful of electronic ones...mostly on GMs, Fords, and now this Hyundai :)

[@melvinjones3895]

Its the little things that get you over and over. But you got it now ship it.

[@marshall1157]

hyundai's usually tps is about 9% curb idle-it could also be map leak.

[@nowthatsfunny1]

Well remember the gummed up valves....it was probably blow back from misfires that caked up throttle body. Least affordable new cars get the least maintenence because owners are cheap. I would have checked the PVC valve as well, maybe its stuck open being gumed up.

[@byrd203]

to high of a idle can be dirty throttle plate clogged plate or air leak yes or faulty computer too

[@CubasAutomotive]

Hey, 1 thing I recall with Honda and its injector replacement, a crank relearn had to be performed at minimum. Possibly ecm reset too... to reset fuel trims and I can't recall what else. More and more vehicles are requiring resets of all sorts after repairs due to the fact they try to compensate for when issues are beyond preprogrammed thresholds, etc. If that makes sense. So new parts installed they may have prior memory to old worn parts in a manner of speaking. Just giving you a heads up. I know this is a Hyundai... but I've seen it across all makes.

[@brandonsnider7907]

I think the ECM would gradually learn on its own that a change is needed. That's what happened when I cleaned the throttle plate on my Camry. For a few days, the car would idle very high, but then the ECM changed its commands to the throttle motor.

[@CubasAutomotive]

@@brandonsnider7907 I can see that, but as the technician handing back a vehicle to a customer, we have to be sure all is set to go when handed back to the customer. Any relearns or driveability adaptations can be finicky, and not usually good in the hands of owners, especially those who aren't mechanically inclined at all. But I do get it Brandon. Good input.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Great point Cuba! In this case I had to manually "relearn" the throttle haha xD

[@CubasAutomotive]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 🤣🤣🔨😬

[@jeremyanthony9300]

Omg Cuba, How are you doing? Long time no video. Did you get Rona? I hope you're okay? Lmk

[@GraditelMacedonia]

Did you try to reset throttle body in special functions?

[@hikerJohn]

It's like the edges of the butterfly valve needs sanding. Have you ever disassembled one? Are they tricky?

[@sewing1243]

I think I would have removed the butterfly plate and then cleaned the barrel of throttle body with Carb cleaner (and if needed, some emery cloth) until there were no deposits left and then do the same thing to the edge of the butteryfly plate. Then reassemble and reinstall.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

It wasn't deposits holding it open...it was actually the plate rubbing on the bore in two spots. I just helped "rub it in" lol

[@sewing1243]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Unless the throttlebody or butterfly plate had somehow become distorted with age, or was never manufactured properly to begin with, then I'd suspect that, in addition to the build up seen in the barrel, the butterfly plate also had some kind of buildup on it. That's why I suggested that removing and cleaning it (especially the edge) may have resolved the problem.

[@calholli]

They make those throttle bodies so cheap that they don't have bearings, and You're lucky if it's even a bushing surface, so it ends up getting worn enough to make the butterfly bind. When you man handle it like you did, it just allows the butterfly flap to slide a bit on it's screws and find a new center... On my girls 2010 Dodge Nitro (jeep liberty clone), it has plastic gears on the inside and they had broken off two teeth--- and the throttle would go from not working, to then getting stuck WOT-- so that was fun, and I almost crashed it a couple of times getting it home. Who puts plastic gears in a throttle body? Terrible design-- I bought a chineesium on Ebay for $100. It has worked for 2 years now.

[@volvo09]

yikes! if it had a key I'd be able to handle that quick, I've had a few throttles stick before... but with these new cars I don't think I'd get out unscathed if it got stuck at wot and I had to then hold the pushbutton start for 2-5 seconds to kill the engine. might end up hitting some other cars bumper if the brakes were too weak.

[@calholli]

@@volvo09 That's exactly what I did. I had to turn the key off to keep from taking off down the road.. It did it twice and then finally went into limp mode which limits the throttle to around 3k RPM's, and that got me home.

[@maubunky1]

Yeah you're right, the Hyundai throttle body sounded like a child's toy the way it was plastic sounding squeaking when he worked it back and forth. My old 99 Accord throttle body feels like a hefty, smooth bearing operating piece of gear that could go on NASA's next moon rocket. And the return spring has so much force the butterfly valve could chop your fingers off.

[@calholli]

@@maubunky1 I have a 2002 Acura MDX, with the Honda vtec 3.5L V6 AWD. (J35A3).. I just wish it was a manual transmission.

[@jw4620]

I"d guess that a little judicious use of a green scrubby with the WD 40 might work well also.

[@maubunky1]

Don't use scotch brite and carb cleaner and accidentally clean off the special molybdenum coating ring that's been painted on by the manufacturer (my Honda) like I did...I had to buy the special liquid curing stuff and paint the ring in the bore back on where the butterfly valve contacts the bore. Don't know what the purpose was, perhaps to prevent sticking.

[@deerhunter8533]

A wire brush and carb cleaner work good to clean the throttle body bore

[@theTanees]

Hyundai Accent GDI 1.6L, does it require a relearn / calibration if you replace all 4 injectors if OEM from manufacturer?

[@-webster3120]

I have a 2017 Tucson with excessive oil consumption. Mechanics at the service station said it was a design flaw. I’m inside the 10yr-100000mi warranty. Do you think they’ll fix it?

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

They SHOULD! Is there a TSB or recall on this? Funny enough the 2006 Tucson V6 that I restored and sold last year has ZERO oil consumption at 230k miles! They don't build them like they used to haha

[@tomgeorge3726]

Hi Ivan, at 6:30 where you were manually moving the throttle flap. WHY was it making scraping noises? Shouldn't it only scrape when in the minimum position, that looked like it was over about 10 to 15 deg range, this would hinder its home position. Even a used unit would be better than what that motor has now.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

I was lapping the plate into the bore. Should have used lapping paste to speed up the process!

[@KSSilenceAU]

​@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Please! Just be very careful with Back-Driving the throttle plate Ivan! On some cars such as my 2001 Nissan Stagea M35 (VQ Series 2.5L Turbo Engine), if you back drive the throttle plate _AT ALL_ let alone being rough with it (eg to clean the TB), its almost certain death to the unit. Don't know why exactly it happens, but some Nissan owners have found out the hard way not to do it, and plenty of warnings on the various related forums. This would likely also apply to any other Nissan of around the same age and similar engine (Think Z35 and Z37, or Altima / Maxima as they use similar engines).

[@charleshenshaw9099]

A month really isn't that long. I feel there are are more parts coming in the near future for this car.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Place your bets now...

[@braaapattack2937]

I’m guessing, 2016 Hyundai Santa Fe, engine swap at 128k

[@joncooper9966]

Come on Ivan. Dirty throttle bodies happen many brands.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

sure...but they don't bind up like this one haha

[@emmcee476]

I work in automotive. Recently had someone approach me about this code on a 2017 Hyundai Tucson with the turbo engine. Since it's a Hyundai and I know how these cars are, I told them I would prefer to not get involved. But would like to know the outcome if they take it to the dealer They did in fact do that, and showed me the printouts of the diagnosis the dealership did. According to them, the A/C compressor is the cause of the high idle and they replaced the compressor, to fix this code. I was relieved I did not get involved with this car, and only reinforces my opinion that Hyundai and Kia are absolute junk

[@dtandfam8100]

Yikes! This thing is ridiculous 😒 hate to see her with another 100k on the clock! Run!!

[@tonypelkey2816]

It’s that bad Penny thing. But you handled it perfectly.. :)

[@marknaravas318]

You might ask this customer how committed he is in owning a Hyundai

[@hikerJohn]

I bet he sells it . . .

[@teekay_1]

@@hikerJohn The problem is finding a replacement car these days.

[@hikerJohn]

@@teekay_1 I agree. I drive a 20 year old Jeep Wrangler that I bought used 13 years ago. I got a good deal and was lucky. It's pretty much problem free. Haven't even had to do the breaks in 70K miles. All it's needed was a fuel rail and a cam & crank position sensor with 140K miles on it. Ive had a few trucks I should have kept as well but they were ones everyone wants now. My other vehicle is a 2010 F-250 Diesel with very low mileage.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

He's definitely committed now! Maybe strike 3 will change his mind haha

[@candicebeebe6688]

Remember you did not build the car, you did not buy the car and you did not break the car. You're only here to help.

[@GeneG-wk2mz]

This job seems like it wasn’t going to never end

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Tell me about it lol

[@patriel1]

Hyundai it's always something. In general would the opposite occur with a dirty throttle body with a low idle and stall? my 2004 f150 is doing this.

[@brandonsnider7907]

Careful when you manually actuate the throttle plate so quickly like that -- you are probably generating electricity inside the control motor. Those amps will have to go somewhere.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

I should have put a scope on it lol

[@lopezobrador5111]

Chil relax cars have alternators that produce amps volts bla bla bla, i have a fan at home you can spin it al day and it won't damage my computer

[@brandonsnider7907]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Honestly, at that point, I wish you'd put a flamethrower on it. What an endless money pit.

[@brandonsnider7907]

@@lopezobrador5111 I got this from the Car Care Nut, in his video on how to clean Toyota throttles. It sounds like he's seen this fry engine computers or something.

[@frankwebb7507]

Is this the same model Hyundai that is subject to engine fires with leaks in the high pressure fuel rail as well as short circuits in the ABS module also common to Kia vehicles? I believe that Hyundai USA has issued a bulletin advising people of such affected cars not to park them in their garages.

[@Corey497]

Us: ""WHAT THE FUDGE""!!! Ivan: ...mmm, that's interesting...

[@blake8297]

Ive always read you're not suppose to manually move the butterfly...

[@KSSilenceAU]

​ @Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics Please! Just be very careful with Back-Driving the throttle plate Ivan! On some cars such as my 2001 Nissan Stagea M35 (VQ Series 2.5L Turbo Engine), if you back drive the throttle plate _AT ALL_ let alone being rough with it (eg to clean the TB), its almost certain death to the unit. Don't know why exactly it happens, but some Nissan owners have found out the hard way not to do it, and plenty of warnings on the various related forums. This would likely also apply to any other Nissan of around the same age and similar engine (Think Z35 and Z37, or Altima / Maxima as they use similar engines).

[@DANBED20021]

Ivan did you catch the P0303 code?

[@tonypaul2987]

Throttle body shaft is worn out . Saw it moving when you was wiggle the butterfly. Junk

[@guess1866]

The car may have more miles on it than the odometer shows...

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

@@guess1866 Unlikely...130k in 7 years is quite a bit!

[@jeremyanthony9300]

How much was the gdi injector

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Google it 😁

[@XAMPOL]

Got mine for around $100 a pop online

[@ToxicwasteProductions]

That is just bad design right there. Although they did try to sell me a new throttlebody for my Volvo a while back at the dealership. Told me that it's getting worn out and to expect issues. Funny thing is all I did was to verify and relearn the ecu. A short while later I put in a stage 3 tune on the ecu and been driving 3 almost 4 years with that tune. Only parts that have gone bad are two coil on plug packs and a vvt solonoid. And two turbo regelator valves that I later did a resistor delete on. Who need turbo regulation anywsys. Full send! I get about 1.8bar at 5000rpm. And with the tune and upped injection pressures timing and such its rather hard to not smile while driving it especially in the winter when the power comes on the rear just wants to step out nicely.

[@basirumanga5682]

I think it's control by the PCM whenever the engine start it's return to default

[@basirumanga5682]

it's will return to default position

[@rogerghiardi7723]

Maybe a little Scotch Brite or Emory cloth to clean TB

[@SuperJoes70]

Ivan we all know that every part is designed for X amount of miles before failure then you run into the situation where you have a cycle that the parts have reached their life span and every thing starts failing the customer is frustrated as well as the tech and I think your going to see this more of this in the future because every year we add more parts just to achevied a desired result before we had mechcanical linkage and a return spring now electronics sensors Why ? cheaper to produce the car and they build cars for profit not realiability

[@raymondjones7489]

Awesome.. way to stick with it Ivan!!😎💯

[@lynndeman3517]

They planned on this part wearing out early. So they could sell them a new one. Its called planned obsolescence. They plan on parts wearing out so they can sell you replacements. They make more money on parts over time than they do on the car.

[@robbflynn4325]

Well done, that thing is now going to run like a scolded cat, bad kitty, lol!

[@drewbush6535]

still watching. 1st thing comes to mind wrong part?

[@raymondreiff8170]

The Hyundai would personally make me Mad as a mechanic if I happen to own it, Just saying, GREAT Content from your Excellent work 👍.

[@pl5624]

You could make this one vehicle your whole career and revenue stream...

[@HouseCallAutoRepair]

I'm surprised you didn't loosen the 2 screws holding the throttle plate and check if it had somehow shifted off center, or slightly rotated. It was sticking like it had been messed with and not realigned. Any chance it was a reman?

[@jimforsyth2.]

bro I never wear a shirt in my personal gerage . love it

[@baxrok2.]

Good job Ivan. Thanks!

[@bernardaflores1720]

I month of stellar reliability time to sell the junk. Otherwise, it would be back by the next oil change asking for a new throttle body and something else

[@robpeabo509]

This is becoming the "car from hell". I hope this is the last time you see it Ivan! Good to see the quality of the repair is measure by calendar months lol. If it passes 4 months then you can add this as a success 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jeremyanthony9300]

Way to go again Ivan

[@Ram14250]

Excellent ending.

[@maui6446]

Since the valve stems were cleaned, you know you have some reversion going on. Perhaps the carbon, gas and air can get all the way up to the throttle body?

[@adamtrombino106]

I'd like to see mode 6 data to see how close those cats are to setting PO420 etc codes ;) Hope I didn't jinx ya!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

I'm honestly surprised that the cats are still alive. Maybe the raw gas actually helped clean them?

[@1McMurdoSilver]

What reading in MOde 6 will tell you that?

[@jackpatteeuw9244]

When a throttle plate close that far down you are in danger of a tiny bit of moisture freezing in the opening and locking the throttle closed ! I have seen it happen !!

[@bills6093]

Quite often on anything not too old, the throttle body is heated with engine coolant. So as long as it starts and idles, it won't be frozen for long.

[@christophervanzetta]

@@bills6093 and they also open and close automatically breaking any ice buildup

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

@@bills6093 I've always wondered why they run coolant through the TB, even on some newer ones. Thank you for that explanation 🙂

[@jackpatteeuw9244]

@@christophervanzetta Once it is iced, even the old fashioned cable and foot on the accelerator pedal will not break it !

[@jackpatteeuw9244]

@@bills6093 The best solution would be to pre-position the throttle for fast idle at shutdown.

[@JCHD18CVOLim]

Excellent video series

[@ivanolsen7966]

6:31 where is the emery paper

[@x01e]

On a bmw and some other motorized throttle bodies you would have broken the teeth on the plastic gear moving it back and forth like that. I was cringing watching you mandle handle that, saying to myself Ivan is going to break the gear.

[@pseudosmith9945]

Yeah.. some throttle bodies will be DONE if you manually force them open.. then watching him go back and forth like that.. oof.. i shuddered watching him do that.. lol.. just saying..

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Yeah man-handling a BMW can get really expensive quickly :0

[@pseudosmith9945]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics no doubt.. anything B.M.W can get QUITE pricey.... but great work brother.. love your content and watch all you vids.. 👍

[@dharley189]

Bring Money Withyou. And Break My Wallet

[@x01e]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Come on Ivan, just making a suggestion as if someone does that will cause a big problem, sorry you are offended.

[@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT]

I was expecting a more complicated problem. Luckily it was only a mechanical catch on the throttle body, and you solved it well (for now), but that car is a money pit.

[@mazes8931]

There is nothing structurally broken, so why would it be a money pit? Just because they had bad luck a couple of times and it needed a throttle body cleanup after 150.000 miles? I don't own a Hyundai or Kia, but where I live they are considered pretty reliable.

[@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT]

@@mazes8931 Because too many little mechanical parts are showing wear and their replacement is expensive. A few more thousand miles and there will be something else, and this engine is very service unfriendly, making man-hours even more expensive than the expensive parts to replace. BTW, that was not simply a throttle body cleanup - there is mechanical wear causing it to grip (Ivan managed to avert it, but it will continue to wear out).

[@mazes8931]

​@@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYTI probably missed something in the video(English is not my native language), but what not already replaced parts showed wear?

[@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT]

@@mazes8931 The throttle body, in this case.

[@mazes8931]

@@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT I believe he said it costs 200 dollars. Not my definition of a money pit and definitely not worth switching cars over that.

[@somerandomguy3868]

Hyundai the gift that keeps on giving

[@msalvag]

I have less problems with my GM at 130K miles. Still has original injectors and throttle body.

[@Anatoliy911]

ivan what's next, a camshaft broken in half, engine swap, exploded transmission :)

[@bertblue9683]

Sometimes you just need to manhandle the throttle body. I could tell you wanted to choke out this car. Best thing we could hope for is a meteor falls on the car while it's parked unoccupied.

[@johnwhan7288]

ROFL

[@6atlantis]

I thought it was bad practice to manhandle electronic throttle bodies like that? Something about throwing off the throttle position sensor.

[@thomasbailey8306]

Wow thats amazing..UGH...Great Job Sir...

[@xloc100]

Catalytic converter is done

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Not according to the computer lol

[@roxanneabbott8424]

Throttle body is like the little brain in the colon. It can affect a whole lot of areas! Lol!

[@lynzoido]

That TB looks awfully like certain Toyotas. Guess it's an outsourced part for both

[@willemstreutgers1154]

First thought after repair; Needs a relearn.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Wouldn't help with a mechanical issue like this 😉

[@dans_Learning_Curve]

Just replaced an engine on a friend's 2006 Hyundai Sonata. Daughter's car. Engine developed a rod knock. Got a used engine that was imported from Korea with 67,000 miles. They're very happy with the car!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

How many miles on the original engine?

[@dans_Learning_Curve]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 177,000.

[@dans_Learning_Curve]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics did you ever get the 1999 Subaru Outback I emailed you about back a while? I haven't heard anything about it from my niece or brother. It needed head gaskets.