Neo-Paganism, Abortion, and the Fall of the West w/ John Daniel Davidson

John Daniel Davidson is a senior editor at The Federalist. Over a twenty-year career in journalism, he has written widely for national publications including the Wall Street Journal, National Review, the Guardian, the New York Post, the Claremont Review of Books, and First Things. He has also been a regular guest on many podcasts and radio and television shows, including Tucker Carlson Tonight, Glenn Beck, The Ingraham Angle, Fox and Friends, NPR, the BBC, and the Megyn Kelly Show. A Texan for many years, he now lives with his family in Alaska.
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00:00 Introduction
00:39 Exploring Paganism in America
08:30 Understanding the True Essence of Paganism
13:40 Different Forms of Worship
17:50 Comparing Muslim and Christian Worship
25:15 Ideals of a Perfect Society
28:33 Evolution of Modern Paganism
32:40 Problems of Self-Worship and AI
42:25 Considerations on Human Rights
45:00 Why the Left has no need of the Underclass
47:00 Advocating for a Christian Society
53:10 Christianity's Interaction with Technology
1:04:30 We do not need to Tolerate Paganism
1:12:50 Examining Notable Pagans
1:18:00 Surrounding Abortion and Paganism
1:19:00 When Will Society Accept Pedophiles
1:23:06 Responding to Objections Raised Against the Book
1:27:26 Importance of Community Bonds
1:33:43 Comparing the "Nones" with Paganism
1:37:16 Approaching Evangelism with Love
1:40:47 Is wokeness a Religious Phenomenon
1:41:49 Should Christians Use AI
1:46:02 Return to Christian Values
1:49:06 The similarities of Feminism and Paganism
1:53:20 Is paganism satanic?
1:56:43 Building Stronger Communities
1:59:19 Freemasonry's Influence in America
2:01:37 The Church
2:10:50 Embracing Our Calling in Life

[@blakehanson4683]

I'm a Confessional Presbyterian, and out of all the Christian podcasts and resources I utilize, none have been a bigger influence or blessing as Pints with Aquinas.

[@catholicconvert2119]

Convert ASAP

[@bobtaylor170]

​@@catholicconvert2119some of us can't do that, for solid theological reasons. But I agree. This is a remarkable channel. The Protestant analog to it on KZbin is the channel of Paul Vanderklay. Protestants watch this. I suggest you give Paul Vanderklay a look.

[@dianajohnston8776]

Former Presbyterian here. When you decide to cross the Tiber, you're going to love it on the other side. :)

[@Electric_]

I went to a Presbyterian group for years myself and it was a relief to finally become Catholic

[@user-kf8wb2cq4f]

​@@Electric_....well, realistically, some people feel they were strongly damaged by dogmatic, and at times, hypocritical catholicism. AND this can't just be swept under the rug. For the church to move forward, there has to be accountability.

[@j2muw667]

I’m torn about no u tube… it’s where I’ve learned a lot about true Catholic teachings and values. When my boss turns on NPR, I put my headphones in and listen to things like this. And instead of regular tv, I watch Catholic videos… But I understand the need for regulating access for youth.

[@glassytea3315]

These are tools. The Holy Spirit guides us and we guide what we watch and apply the Word to what we accept or is acceptable and what we should reject. If you have a weakness (most of us do) rely on a trusted, Christian friend(s). Don’t be alone.

[@leekenyon8705]

Romans don't have values.

[@Jac-pd1fo]

Wouldn’t it be great if we had a Catholic channel that we could be confident of its content 🙏

[@user-kf8wb2cq4f]

​@@Jac-pd1fo...like the one Mother Angelica started on television.

[@allanastaryszak435]

Bismarck North Dakota baby!! It’s a town of 70,000 people with 5 Catholic Churches BURSTING at the seams, and that doesn’t include the neighboring towns, or our Protestant brothers and sisters!! The culture is thriving!

[@catholicconvert2119]

Convert the Protestant !

[@VanillaBean15]

Gotta visit ❤

[@Ana_Cecilia615]

Having been raised Mormon and now decades later am in the Catholic Church (Praise God), I was well aware of the demonic activity in the LDS Church by the time I reached my teens. Starting with baptisms for the dead at age 12 was a freaky moment in my life. It felt like being in a hypnotic circle where I was one of the only few awake at that time. Raising any questions about this to immediate family resulted in demon like responses, in which severe anger would override all logic and peaceful conversation about any doubts. Now, being Catholic, I can call out every time demons were present in my childhood because of having honest questions that reflected truth. I am truly amazed God opened my eyes. It would have been so much easier to stay in that church and have had much more pleasant relationships with my family. But it just wasn't in me to stay and keep trying to get a VIP seat with a polygamous God. Praise be to God. The Gospel brings peace. Cults that rob Christianity and present like it is are absolutely, 100% demonic. I don't even know how that's a negotiation here in this discussion.

[@georgerafa5041]

I was LDS most of my life and I totally feel you. I was just baptized and confirmed this Easter and it's the best choice I've ever made.

[@leekenyon8705]

I get it he is pushing christian behaviors as pagan.

[@outofoblivionproductions4015]

The traditional approach of the Catholic Church is the doctrine of inclusivity- being that the church accepts all truth wherever it is found. So other religions or denominations are respected for their truths, while their falsehoods are rejected. Like most things in life, it is nuanced. You can say Islam or LDS is demonic in its beliefs and practices that are false and bad. However, there is also some good in them, e.g. to pray to God, to give charity, fraternal support etc. and it is the good in them that probably attracts people's loyalty. They are imperfect in contrast to the Catholic Church, which is the perfect way to salvation.

[@TheCharlie1701]

Same for me. I was baptized and confirmed this past Easter and still haven't told my mom. I really don't understand why she converted to Mormonism, and don't want to bring it up.

[@daviddabrowski01]

To square what the catechism says about Muslims and what John believes about Muslims I think we can quote CS Lewis, “that is why horrible nations have horrible religions: they have been looking at God through a dirty lens”. The same God, but a warped view of Him.

[@robertfreese]

Great interview. My wife and I moved into a smaller village in County Wicklow in Ireland. Also she is Polish and we go back and forth there. We do believe the Lord has brought us to the places to serve Him in saving souls.

[@sophiapostma4057]

That's awesome! My ancestors are from Wicklow!

[@leekenyon8705]

Satan is part of christian mythologies making such worshipers devil worshiping Christians.

[@stephaniehallahan6141]

I don't fully agree with the social media thing. It can be used for good or bad. If it was not for KZbin, seeing Catholics talk about their faith, I would not be in the process of joining the church.

[@catholicconvert2119]

Catholics need to be on it but to be a ladder off it

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

KZbin puts an anti-christ warning on this video, saying murdering children is a medical procedure. There is Christ or anti-Christ. Raising The Dead back to Life, or supporting eugenics, slavery and death to all. Most Christian views are criminalized by Federal Law & it will get worse...

[@user-71435]

@@catholicconvert2119 I don't understand. What does that mean?

[@catholicconvert2119]

@@user-71435 meaning be there intentionally just to witness the faith not to hang out and become absorbed into the borg

[@DonJulioSippa]

I would say he means Facebook, Instagram, tik Tok and X it's a cesspool of depravity gossip and idoltrilism

[@mariabaysa8288]

Dear Matt, I’m from California and at some point was tempted to leave and live in what you called a bubble. Before watching this episode, I watched the Breanne Demarco episode. Her version of evangelization is what I believe in. Really going out there and building RELATIONSHIPS. To my fellow Californians, don’t lose hope. The kids in our public schools, the workers in the abortion clinics etc, they need to hear the gospel too. Pray, pray and pray and don’t be afraid to build relationships.

[@NM-tl6pe]

Ohhh, Context Warning. Now I have to watch.

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

Amazing how people have accepted the Censorship over God's Word.

[@PMacKing]

I report feedback on these infanticide warnings everytime.

[@NM-tl6pe]

@PMacKing good idea! I get so tired of these "warnings".

[@kathycorkery]

Lol

[@InesitaMagnificat]

30 minutes in and this is the exact feeling I get that people are not waking up and seeing and smelling! Thank you pints and thank you John Daniel Davidson 🙌🏾

[@user-yh3bl6bp3j]

One of my favourite interviews …. God bless you Matt and John. Filled with truth and faith. 🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️

[@xoxobabyimbackxoxo]

The magpie river here in Canada was literally given "personhood" and all the "rights" that it comes with.... it's a river.... whereas human innocent babies in the womb are not declared persons.

[@JenniferGladen]

I just love Matt's interview style! He says what we're all thinking!

[@leekenyon8705]

How can you solve a problem when blaming it on gods and devils? Problem avoidance is a real thing.

[@-Viva-Cristo-Rey]

I live in Peterborough Ontario Canada. Its a county that has 6 catholic churches , population of 81,000 well known for Trent University and Fleming college. They have an active campus ministry including a chaplin and mass on campus. In addition they have some wonderful people living the faith!

[@friedawells6860]

Wow! I am very pleasantly surprised to hear that. It doesn't match the dystopian view of Ontario that I sometimes have as an Albertan, especially post-covid. Amazing though! God bless Petersborough!

[@brendamyc3173]

They teach students at the colleges and universities to practice neo-paganism

[@georgerafa5041]

After the absolute snoozefest that was the Jordan Peterson interview this one was an absolute shock. Might just be the best interview the channel has ever had. John I'm buying your book

[@_Pia12]

I feel the same way.

[@vngelicath1580]

If you were snoozing, you clearly weren't paying attention.

[@RookieIII]

The only thing that can save America is the bravery of Christians willing to lay their lives down for the faith both every day and in some instances literally, witnessing to the truth of the Gospel as the martyrs and Church Fathers did during the pre-Christian era of the Roman and great pagan empires.

[@brendamyc3173]

If you stand up for the faith you will be tortured by the political activists. You will be attacked at work, at home, everywhere you go. You will be blocked from help and left for dead. People have been conditioned not to care about the real state of things. They have been conditioned to treat it with indifference so much so that they will completely ignore what you are saying and continue on like you never said anything. They made it so people cannot process any news that isn’t toxic positivity.

[@user-kf8wb2cq4f]

Is that going to happen? They tend to be pacifists and prefer to just pray. Also, they Scapegoat certain issues while Ignoring the entire picture.

[@user-yh3bl6bp3j]

Such a sound guy , really enjoying listening to him. God bless and protect him… and his family. 🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️

[@EnglishMike]

He's just telling you what you want to hear -- non-Christians scary, etc.

[@leekenyon8705]

@@EnglishMike He is doing a opposite.

[@pop6997]

In Ireland new builds of houses are not being built with chimneys & fireplaces. However, if you own a home that has one its not against the law to put in a stove. We put a wood burner in last Christmas & I love it! So yes, you can still buy a stove & use it. You can even put in a freestanding one and put the flu on an outside wall if your house has no chimney. We also have a wood burner out the back garden for when the evening gets cold in Summer & you want to sit outside. Whether they will ban them in the future is up for debate I guess. However, I think the green party will get a massive lashback in the next election. People here are so fed up with their preaching & woke agenda - we just dont believe the doom they're selling us anymore 🙏👍

[@user-xw9oj7zl7r]

Listening to this right now! I have just moved my family to a suburb in Sydney where there is a growing Catholic community centres around two beautiful Opus Dei Schools Wollemi and Montgrove Colleges. There are more and more Catholic families doing the same. Thanks to the intercession of St Joseph we were able to make the move

[@kitstr]

It would be better if the would rename them ‘St Patrick’s’ and ‘St Mary’s’.

[@mariace4848]

I saw a friend from my Catholic Church today at the grocery store. Just as we said hello she spotted a priest and we said hello to him. It’s a small step to a Catholic community. Eldersburg MD and there are homes for sale here.

[@bradleytarr2482]

My 14 year old niece, 4 years ago, at the age of 10, started attending an Episcopalian Church. Within 7 or 8 months or so, she was identifying as Non-Binary, going by the They/Them pronouns, and now she has a "fluid" Girlfriend. And my sister goes along with it in the name of her "Mental Health." I'm offended by that, because I'm a Public Mental Health expert and speaker, at the Local, State, and National levels. I'm the Catholic though, so I'm disregarded as the "Trad" black sheep of the family.

[@friedawells6860]

That sucks. I will pray for your niece.

[@kitstr]

God bless your work. You are also needed in chat rooms and radio talk back etc.

[@ChristisKing-nh5ei]

+JMJ+ Praying for you, your family, and your niece. I’ve been offering up my Holy Communion at every Mass I attend that all souls run to the crucifix and joyfully accept the holy, precious, and perfect purity, body, mind and soul who is our LORD JESUS in the most Blessed Sacrament. HIS Holy and Blessed Mother and St. Joseph accepted joyfully and faithfully CHRIST’S holy, pure, and precious, and perfect purity. Praise be JESUS CHRIST, Our SAVIOR and KING!

[@CatholicPipes]

Actually mister Frad but the catechism never affirms that Islam actually worships the one true God. It's states "those that profess". Essentially saying Muslims say they worship God. It never says that the church affirms that Muslims actually worship the one true God.

[@chaoscoordinator566]

PLEASE make a short of the clip where he gives his opinion of AI being a portal to talk to demons. I’ve had HORRIBLE vibes about AI since day one and he put into words perfectly what my hesitation has been. It basically the modern version of Ouija boards

[@friedawells6860]

Hmm I never thought about it that way but the idea that they are lik Ouija boards makes sense.

[@Wully02]

I have had no issues with AI after praying over it.

[@friedawells6860]

@Wully02 That's honestly a good idea! I think we have to approach the tools with a lot of skepticism, but they can still be used where appropriate. There are too many people that put way too much trust in Google and don't know that the search results are heavily biased and they seem to get more biased every year. But yeah if you treat AI or Google like it is all knowing, then you are worshipping it in a way.

[@raymond7427]

"Christians should live differently." (JD Davidson) Perhaps we need a revival of monasticism. Men and women must strive to realise God in the here and now. We must grow beyond what Charles Taylor called the 'buffered self.'

[@johnpaulpoelman2531]

I'm a practicing Catholic. I also hold solstice/equinox bonfires in my backyard as a great excuse to gather with friends and enjoy the rhythms of God's good creation. After all, God made the seasons. My experience with pagans I know is they have no corresponding gatherings and would much rather sit in dark rooms with computers than bother to go light something on fire and enjoy other people's company.

[@kenofken9458]

We Pagans created the modern practice of celebrating solstice and equinox. Clearly you don't get out much. We do these celebrations all the time. The Beltane in Scotland this year had some 8,000 people. They weren't all Pagans but many were.

[@j2muw667]

I find that evil has hijacked anything good and beautiful of God, and try to twist it in a negative way… and claim things God created in a negative way. Reclaiming things in a Christian manner and squashing any pagan claim… which isn’t ever true or accurate.

[@kenofken9458]

@@j2muw667 People have been celebrating solstice in Pagan ways for dozens of centuries before Christianity even existed.

[@whatever1068]

​@@kenofken9458larpers! How many do you presume actually worship any pagan deities and how many do you think are doing what op describes?

[@kenofken9458]

@@whatever1068 If we're all just silly LARPers, why all the concern about it? Catholics and other Christians spend a lot of effort and mental processing time on our existence and activities. They wouldn't do that if they thought we were just another version of the SCA re-enactors.

[@ec8972]

This is one of my favourite PwA so far. It was especially encouraging to hear you speak so kindly about The Book of Common Prayer as I wrestle with entering the fullness of the faith from the increasingly chaotic Church of England. Thank you.

[@kendrarice7223]

Praying for you.

[@qboxer]

Brother, the Ordinariate is a tremendous treasure that enables us to come into the fullness of the Catholic tradition with our patrimony. I highly recommend looking into it!

[@pinkelephant4958]

This is an excellent discussion! Thank you for these high quality shows.

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

He is finally becoming aware of the spirit of anti-Christ which is becoming more obvious everyday. Knowing Christ reveals anti-christ. Jesus saves and heals, anti-Christ does the opposite. Jesus raises the dead to Life. Social Media's creators goals are the opposite.

[@cameronaustin7734]

In the original latin of the vatican II documents it simply states that muslims worship one God. It does not say the one God. This is a translation error in the catechism and elsewhere.

[@ericgillespie4062]

Latin has no articles. Whether "the" was intended or not I'll leave to the professionals.

[@kristinwannemuehler9757]

Evansville, IN...great bishop, highest percentage of young men entering seminaries and being ordained priests per population in a 3-4 hour radius at least. New order of semi-cloistered Benedictines (the singing Benedictine nuns) just moved in this past Feast of Our Lady of Fatima. Excellent separate programs for teen boys and teen girls discerning religious life, good Catholic youth groups, one growing TLM community within one central parish in the diocese. Hopefully, a Montessori Catholic school coming soon. Working on having the presence of Nashville Dominicans within our schools. Weekly Mass for vocations for the past few years. Jacob Imam and Scott Hahn came to visit last year to give talks, Chris Stephanik is set for this year. Prayers for this diocese and so many others to grow and flourish.

[@j2muw667]

Sounds like your diocese is giving the one I live in and the one in Nebraska some blessed competition! We have Catholic schools full of Catholic kids, ordain several new priests every year, have about 60+/- in seminary total, a thriving order of nuns who just build a new convent (they wear habits)… we had a short term group of benedictines move here- but oddly they picked a non-catholic area to locate, which hurt them, and they moved elsewhere. Most churches are full of families and kids. And no deaconate, because we have enough priests! (Wichita Ks...) Northern KS has SSPX- and just built the Immaculata church.. I think St Mary’s KS has a decent Catholic community as well. I’ve heard Nebraska diocese still doesn’t allow girl alter servers and is pretty traditional for a US diocese.. but I haven’t been there. I’ll have to look up Evansville diocese!

[@johnnewburn4750]

Have you looked into the People of Praise and their company of missionaries in Evansville? I've been there and it's a amazing vibrant community extending into the poor neighborhoods.

[@rickfilmmaker3934]

Been waiting a while for this. This talk is right on the money.

[@leekenyon8705]

He is doing a opposite.

[@slyguy.7216]

Hang on a min. I love most of what he’s saying here but…I’m also a recent (very) convert to Catholicism, I also live in Austin, TX…while I understand the reasons for leaving, there are healthy parishes and even parochial schools here in the city. If Catholics like this continue to leave are we not just ceding territory to the enemy? I believe we should fight to carve out oases within large cities until it’s no longer possible. On the Latin Mass front I do bemoan that there is only one available at this point and it’s not the Cathedral but still, it is available and there are very beautiful NO parishes all over the city with reverent liturgies (like my own) that are becoming even more traditional because they are absorbing Latin Mass Catholics!

[@gladtradcath]

I don’t think it’s worth the risk of losing your children to the world. Our biggest priority is forming our children to be strong, devout Catholics. After a while, they care less about what mom and dad say and more about what the cool kids at school are doing. I think it’s better for young families with children to remain in a Catholic community and leave to proselytize.

[@slyguy.7216]

@@gladtradcath reread what I commented, I’m literally talking about a Catholic school at a parish we attend and are actively a part of. It’s a false dichotomy that seems born out of fear and not being willing to fight to preserve ground we’ve gained within cities. I’m not saying you need to attend umm parades of the rainbow variety downtown but you also don’t need to abandon outposts we still have. And yes I’m purposely using military language

[@j2muw667]

Kind of like Lot living in Sodom or Gomorra (I forget which it was) where all was evil around his family…?

[@slyguy.7216]

@@j2muw667 not analogous to Christians as God was establishing Israel as an entity apart from paganism at that time, Christ’s Kingdom is historically one of subversion in the midst of hostile regimes. Did the apostles abandon Rome as it became the center of Christian martyrdom under Nero or Diocletian? No, they survived and remained a “field hospital” to quote Pope Francis, bringing whoever was willing to hear testimony into the Kingdom. While others went out to even more inhospitable places to preach and establish churches, in many cases among even less civilized societies. Some may in fact be called specifically to be removed from the world and the missional battlefront but traditionally we think of those called to religious life for those roles.

[@slyguy.7216]

@@j2muw667 Hm. I may have misunderstood what you were saying with that comment lol if so my bad. I jumped on where I think that thought leads to as in the Genesis account Lot and his family are called out of the wicked city in order to preserve them from God’s impending wrath. Is that where you were going with it?

[@Ninja112594]

Where I am in Lafayette LA there is a really good Catholic community there's a lot of pushback against it in the local secular community but the actual Catholic community is very solid

[@rosecorcoran]

I think there's a huge difference between KZbin and X/Facebook/etc. Most social media only allows for tiny posts that are meant to disappear from your mind soon after seeing them. KZbin (not counting YT Shorts, which are just mimicking other social media) allows longer form content such as video essays, discussions, and even short films that are meant to last. There are videos that people watch, even years later, because the content itself was memorable and has some heart put into it.

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

Both are Intel digital weapon systems, facebook says it is feeding all it's collected data into one A.I.

[@j2muw667]

Agree! I’ve learned so much about the Faith on here! I put headphones on and listen to Fr Rippenger, Pints, Taylor M, stories of St John Bosco and various other Catholic points of view, instead of NPR… which is becoming more clear to me, to be secular propaganda.. And I watch or listen to them in the evenings instead of regular tv… It’s helped feed my soul which craved ‘more’ than the weak sermons and minimal church activities… I started attending First Saturday Masses (it was my New Year’s resolution last year) and going to Latin Mass that used to be close to where I lived. (It was canceled with all the rest- sadly). I seek various Latin masses when I travel to larger places that have SspX or Fssp. So have found you tube to be a blessing! (I used to listen to CA and EWTN but when they were promoting the jab, I stopped. The use of fetal cells to develop them nauseates me) 😂 apologies for my novel, but I find much beauty and joy in being able to search past the junk and find Truth and open discussions sharing wisdom and different points of view, so lacking elsewhere!

[@leekenyon8705]

How come this person sounds mentally ill?

[@miny_moni]

"God is wise in heart & mighty in strength, who hardens himself against him & succeeds?" Job 9:4

[@francescaderimini2931]

I have been waking for this guy!

[@tolkienlewis6887]

Listened to the whole interview. Very eye opening and informative. Thank you.

[@kitstr]

The best bubble for Catholics to live in is a traditional Mass community.

[@Duhandle]

In a Monastery or Convent.

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

Our Duty is to bring Christ's Kingdom to Earth. The Bible, the Traditions, the Mass, the Culture, the Faith. Loving Jesus and one another, even loving enemies, to conquer them with YHWH's Love.

[@bethmcmullan7686]

Good thing we aren’t called to live in a bubble

[@leekenyon8705]

I thought it was all about Catholics priests having sex with little boys.

[@outofoblivionproductions4015]

too cliquey.

[@matthewcruz1709]

To have Peterson and now Davidson saying the same things back to back to eerily disconcerting. Have Catholic children while you still can...

[@dianajohnston8776]

This is one of my favorite episodes. This fellow expresses a lot of what I've been thinking for years, but he fleshes it out with much more detail and deep thought. Many thanks to this guest - have him on again, please!

[@LordSenechal]

I completely oppose Bryan Johnson's philosophy but I think its important to be precise. He didn't drink his son's plasma. It was an IV infusion to test the theory that a relatively younger person's plasma would provide anti-aging benefits. Plasma is actually used to treat certain medical conditions. This case was just super weird because Bryan and his son and father were all sharing plasma. You made a great point about its pagan implications.

[@flhxri]

Same difference

[@winterviv]

He said injest not drink

[@DamienDavidMartinez]

I’m reading the book Isabella of Spain by William Thomas Walsh and the book describes the extreme toil Queen Isabella went through to preserve the Catholic Church through the power of her crown. We are in a similar time where the King Enrique’s of our time have infiltrated our Church. Remember that the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand from which we receive our citizenship. Queen Isabella is declared a Servant of God by the Church today…

[@EnglishMike]

Ah yes, the extreme toil of forcing around 200,000 Jews to convert to Catholicism under pain of exile, and the forced expulsion of up to another 100,000 Jews because they refused to convert. Oh, and of course, founding the notorious Spanish Inquisition. Is this the type of thing we have to look forward to from today's Catholic Church?

[@BecomeTheKnight]

Complete respect to the guest, but he's the 2nd or 3rd guy now who's arguing that social media is evil and should be completely abandoned. By his reasoning: "We need to abandon agriculture. People say 'look at all the good it has done,' but take a look at the vast majority of food being sold? It mostly makes us fat and have low energy. We should abandon this technology." The technology isn't the problem. It's the culture. The tech does not inherently point towards a self-centered consumerist point of view. It was just utilized that way because of the society we live in. Coming back to Christ in our daily lives as a society fixes this problem.

[@sunblaze8931]

I agree. Christians need to stop daydreaming about completely separating from the world. We don't need to box ourselves in and away from the world. We need to go out into the world and evangelize as our Lord commanded us to. Instead of running away and letting depraved cultures take over all the power we leave behind, we need to reclaim what we can for God. I'm a software engineer, and I see daily how horrible technology gets. The solution is not to drop all technology and go back to medieval times. The solution is to use technology for good, just as depraved people are using it for evil. If it weren't for the internet, I would not be a Christian.

[@Caoimhin777]

Been looking forward to this one for awhile

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

youtube puts abortions ads on this video, their A.I. system has a sense of humor ? :-D

[@paix1234]

The forces of good are always GREATER than any force of evil. It’s always been bad and this time might be better than others.

[@chase6579]

Yeah but... God allowed the Hebrews to remain in Egypt of 400 years. And then the Babylonian captivity. 1500 years of being conquered by Muslims for the east....

[@Joanna-jo13]

Cannot wait to see this.. I’m almost finished with the book!

[@kaylajay741]

What book?

[@JosePerez-is6nn]

What's the name of the book??

[@ssa438]

The title of the book starts with Pagan America

[@vbottoni]

I've learned how to repair and improve my home through KZbin to better my family and save money. What's wrong with that?

[@_Pia12]

Much food for thought here 🙏🏻

[@judedcosta5178]

Looking forward to this one

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

He's almost there... It is not necessaryly "Pagan" , but more accurately exposing the spirit of Anti-Christ. Jesus Christ Raises the dead back to Life. Anti-Christ murders babies by abortion, sterilizes young people and commits acts of genocide. Will to Power. Eugenics. Social Darwinism. God Creates the cosmos & Satan's goal is to destroy everything God creates.

[@danacasey8266]

I am coming to the Steubenville for the conference. I am also trying to discern moving to Steubenville. Any advice? I already fled from Baltimore to Maysville KY. Already feel healthier in mind, body, and spirit.

[@McDFilms13]

Greenville/Spartanburg SC!

[@chase6579]

Me too. Live in Simpsonville.

[@michaelpowers3283]

Do NOT move to Bellingham WA

[@southpawhammer8644]

The only personal media I use is KZbin. The rest is just noise

[@Arvidholders]

Same, although LinkedIN is just like social media a lot of the time

[@sdrc92126]

Gnosticism is the snake. It's also the root of all of this chaos. Vincent Gorre

[@CH-qc1zt]

In the UK the trans issue has been fought against mainly by Radical Feminists (radical meaning root - pertaining to the body in this case). So yes, a materialist fightback is why there's been a rejection of gender ideology.

[@JesseSaintJesse]

Islam is a monotheistic religion, which was influenced by both Judaism and Christianity. They worship the same God, theoretically, as the Jews and Christians. I don't believe, however, that it is from God, for many reasons - and therefore, I agree with the guest.

[@frisco61]

Theoretically is right. Because their “god” denies the divinity of Jesus Christ. Impossible to reconcile.

[@rickfilmmaker3934]

Great show Matt.

[@AlphonsoFrett-xz6pi]

Heavenly Father in Jesus Christ name please raise up an army of Christian that will redeem the U.S.A please if you can find 5 Righteous in the U.S.A

[@paulwheeler3723]

21:13 they don’t accept Jesus as God so therefore would not the catechism be contradictory in this instance. Jesus said no one comes to the Fathe except through me. In this instance the Catholic catechism is not following the exact teachings of Christ

[@tolkienlewis6887]

That's exactly what I was thinking. I've never believed we worship the same God for that reason.

[@paulwheeler3723]

@@tolkienlewis6887 love your name brother. For a long time I believed in God. I even prayed something very similar to the Fatima prayer when I was 5 or 6. Never knowing of the prayer or the story of Fatima until about two years ago. The Fathet draws us to his son. I was “saved” I. 2001. I started being sanctified 6 months prior to my father’s death in 2022. I call myself Catholic though I am now Anglican. But if I had to put a true label on it just a Christian. Orthodox as opposed to heterodox. I hope on day we can share a pint in the kingdom friend

[@bobtaylor170]

​@@paulwheeler3723if you believe in The Lord Jesus Christ, you can count on it.

[@paulwheeler3723]

@@bobtaylor170 Christ is Lord

[@bobtaylor170]

@@paulwheeler3723 exactly right.

[@OperationsAndSmoothProductions]

Good convo.💯

[@All.For.You.Lord.]

Great interview!

[@janetmunday1100]

1:03:51 I’m asking myself, “How do I become a better Catholic without You2b?” I’m so reliant on it now to bring me theological discussions and listen to interesting Catholic points of view. But I hear his deep pondering and it makes me want to repent if my social media consumption has negatively affected other people in an unsuspecting way.

[@kitstr]

Catholic YT is the redeeming feature of the internet.

[@TheDomVerde]

I wish that more folks understood liberalism as New Polity does. The left and right paradigm are both a part of liberalism.

[@adamassis6406]

What part of Alaska are you going to build your cabin?

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

[ Redacted ] ... Strategic Relocation is what you wish to look into... Brazil is a good second choice. Pick high altitude, mid equator locations to ride out the Nuclear Winter.

[@audthemodful]

His talk of fighting the good fight does concern me God does and will come through, pray for that look a the history. I live in Scotland and throughout history Catholics were persecuted by other Christians, we are now seeing what unifies us not divid, we need to illuminate hope and show people a different life pray for this and here I see it working 🙏🏼🙏🏼🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@stephencotter538]

Love that Aquinas reference just before 37:00. This conversation is fascinating

[@shanedilanchian4668]

Nice work gentlemen. Enjoyable episode.

[@ericgillespie4062]

56:31 Davidson: [ridiculous assertion] Fradd: [That's absurd] Davidson: I don't have all the answers. I'm only half-way through but that seems to sum up the whole thing.

[@MiserereNobis]

Very good interview

[@micahprice2807]

To quote John Lovell: “Right now, the world desperately needs a stronger view of Jesus, and stronger Christians who follow him.”

[@tonyl3762]

Pains me how much of a Lutherlover he is.

[@micahprice2807]

@@tonyl3762 Luther, no Luther… Lovell follows Christ, which is all that matters.

[@tonyl3762]

@@micahprice2807 Nope, definitely a Luther-lover. Heard him more than once ignorantly praising Luther. Has no idea Luther's rebellion is at the root of the ideas he opposes. I'm sure he is sincere, but claiming to follow Christ is not all that matters.

[@micahprice2807]

@@tonyl3762 following Christ is the ONLY thing that matters

[@tonyl3762]

@@micahprice2807 Anyone who praises Luther does not know what it means to fully and truly follow Christ. Luther was the sources of so much error/heresy, confusion, schism/division, violence/warfare, etc. that led to even worse errors and violence later in history....

[@ShonjiPowerOf2]

This really reminds me of a time my twin sister was in college and told me on the phone that she couldn't read taro cards because her doubt meant they would play tricks. I told her she was being stupid and leave superstitious practice alone. Now i wonder if demons are at play with tricking people. I stand by leaving that stuff alone, it jas no value on your life

[@EnglishMike]

Tarot cards are just cards. There's nothing spiritual or demonic about them. People read into them whatever they want to read into them -- but that's just human psychology, not demonism. Tarot card readers use cold reading and warm reading practices to sound plausible to their customers, even if they believe they have psychic powers. You can learn a lot about a person by asking the right questions and listening carefully to how they respond.

[@Shiggy_]

Great interview, very interesting topic. Might pick up his book

[@Tman3421]

Did this man just quote Assassin’s Creed as a prediction of the future?

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

War. War Never Canges.

[@EspadaKing777]

Yes he did, and worse he seems to think it's a historical fact that the Assassins actually believed that, despite the quote's origins coming from Gustav Flügel's book on the subject, not from any actual historical text. I don't find John credible as a historian or a writer if this is the level of his research.

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

@@EspadaKing777 He's finally becoming aware of the spirit of Anti-Christ. It is disturbing him, because he did not realize Evil is Real. It is not 'Pagan' when groups fight to destroy Jewish and Christian children. It is evil, animosity against Life itself.

[@EspadaKing777]

@@SeaJay_Oceans What's so frustrating is I don't necessarily disagree with the general thrust of his thesis. America does indeed seem to be moving into a post-christian period and neo-pagan ideas might indeed be rising. But he underminds his work when he says patently absurd things which could have been avoided with 20 minutes of research. To suggest that ancient Pagans were relativists is ridiculous. No-one with a passing familiarity with Confusianism in China or the Lawcode of Hammurabi could possibly think these were anything other than moral absolutist systems. I'd point out that "slave empires" continued to dominate the world *after* the advent of Christendom, because no-one serious is holding that the Spanish, Portuguese or British Empires were not built atop slavery, but what would be the point? To be as charitable as it is rationally possible to be, I'd maybe suggest that John should have found a different historian to advise him, because from what he's mentioned in the first couple of minutes indicates someone driven by a political viewpoint first and basic accuracy second.

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

@@EspadaKing777 Yes, I believe you are correct. John is using a classic catholic definition of 'Pagan', which would be EVERYTHING that is not Roman Catholic. ( I'll skip over all the Pagan content, practice, and beliefs currently accepted in Roman Catholicism. ) What I have discovered in many post-christian neo-pagans is a breaking point where they were rejected by family , or they felt compelled to reject the middle east war deity death cults and mythology. They do seek love and peace, nature and living well. This can often be a common ground with neo-pagans, the desire for clean living, good health, happy families. This is the universal human motivation for enjoying existence. John is shocked to learn Evil is not only real, but it's ultimate goal is to consume and destroy souls, especially focused on the young, to deny them the graces of God and gift of salvation in Christ.

[@gwendolynnorton6329]

Hey paisano! What town are you from? I was born on Kodiak, grew up mostly in Kenai, also lived in Anchorage, Fairbanks and Juneau.

[@laura.wiseman]

from a repentant neopagan/new age participant, this is way too real. the idea that there is no objective truth, good, or bad definitely underpins that entire worldview and lifestyle. praise God for pulling me out of that!

[@eunbidraws3778]

God bless you

[@mariabaysa8288]

If it’s possible for God to do this to your life, then hope is not lost for others in that situation, right? I hope you use what God has done to your life to help others get out of that situation as well. 🙏

[@Mishima76]

Very interesting interview. Muslims deny the trinity and the divinity of Christ.

[@franzwohlgemuth2002]

Then the Quran would not have mentioned Moses and Jesus, sitting next to God, greeting Muhamad.

[@chase6579]

Which is why the categoism also says that their worship is non salvafic just like the jews.

[@franzwohlgemuth2002]

@@chase6579 the catechism is post biblical. Invented long after Jesus.

[@bobtaylor170]

Yes, they do. And they are of the Devil himself. They may not realize it, and if so, that contents the Devil.

[@friedawells6860]

I don't think we should burn up all our common ground with Muslims by supposing that they worship a demon, or assuming that as the conservative position. There's so much ground for dialogue and evangelization by first affirming the shared ground. Personally, it is clear to me that most Muslims worship the God of Abraham albeit with a distorted understanding (Allah is not merciful). The fact that the Muslims had a golden age of reason in the 1200s, where they discovered advanced mathematics and constructed truly beautiful mosques to worship God in speaks clearly to me that Islam has a tangible connection God. Although it is missing the revelation of Jesus Christ as the second person of the Trinity.

[@Stanisthemanis]

Steubenville is cool and all, but not for everyone. Catholics in California (There are a ton) have got to be hardy stock. Where are the best areas? Any hidden enclaves?

[@violinimpulse]

We have a very robust community here in SF

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

Who's asking? you won't get any answers.... Catholicism is borne of the catacombs...

[@Stanisthemanis]

@@violinimpulse Cool, I know it’s not Catholic, but I’m always inspired by Grace cathedral when I see it in the city.

[@Stanisthemanis]

@@SeaJay_Oceans Matt mentioned talking about communities in the comments besides Steubenville in his discussion. But it may not be the most hospitable place for that…

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

@@Stanisthemanis 'Strategic Relocation' is a book.

[@chrisnunn7888]

Any stubenvilles communities in the UK?

[@chase6579]

I used to be a pagan. Not the ghey left wing kind, but the hard and brutal traditional kind. For all the virtues of the old pagan, it is indeed relative. That was a huge problem for me. I could not be consistent and argue that the rape of the enemies women and slaughter of their children and exposure of our own even though I knew they were evil. It got darker to that as well. Like from that perspective, why is human sacrifice wrong? Especially if the sacrifice is an enemy? It was pitiless and i grew to desire the pity of Frodo to Gollum. And to be honest I am much more like Gollum than Frodo or Sam. It was a thirst for mercy which was nonexistent in the character of the gods. Eventually that thirst became an image of the crucifix and the refrain in my mind was "I want Jesus but I can't believe," until one day I got a response. An innerlocution that felt like a shout that blew everything else in my mind away: "IT HAPPENED. ACCEPT IT." I responded, "Okay." And immediately I believed. And the youtube no youtube idea is dumb for one hundred reasons both religious and political.

[@kenofken9458]

Still a Pagan and happy. Your inability to morally reason is you own, not that of Pagans generally.

[@trad-lite]

The Catechism is OVERLY generous about the Islamic religion. Like polishing a 💩 I’ve studied Islam, and I think the Church may have gotten that one wrong with all due respect and charity. Islam is just Middle Eastern Mormonism.

[@k1y2l2e1]

Cabot, AR has a wonderful FSSP apostolate that has grown rapidly over the past several years. We are always meeting new families, and there is lots of rural land in the surrounding areas that families are purchasing for their homesteads. Beautiful traditional community. 🤍

[@Ladyoffidelity14]

THIS THO. I have been warning about a lot of this for years now on my insta. I am so glad to hear someone else talking about it. You have no idea.

[@soroushfetkovich5084]

Excellent interview! Fiat!!!!

[@raymond7427]

And don't forget the Australian philosopher and animal rights activist Peter Singer who argues that there should be no moral compunction in terminating the life of a child up to the age of three since they are not fully "persons" yet. How's that for evil in your face!

[@thomasj51]

21:00 Matt misquoted the catechism with regards to Muslims worshipping the true God. He said: “The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess AND hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.” CCC 841 ACTUALLY says: The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess TO hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.” The catechism doesn’t teach that Muslims actually hold the faith of Abraham, only that they profess to hold it. It seems to me this is an important distinction that Matt missed

[@benclark1482]

I had the very same question reading this book about Islam. Islam is a hard problem truly. It seems a very clever demon wanted to get as close to the truth as he could.

[@FlyingGospel]

The best lie is 90% true.

[@user-je5ib5nv8u]

Barely true when you get to learn Islam much of it is completely different from the torah and the bible. They reject the two most important Christian ideas, Christ crucifixion, Christ resurrection.

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

Middle East death cults founded on War gods are not compatable with Western civilization, nor Christian Values. Follow Christ & Live for YHWH, none other. Or Not, but be explicit in your Love of Jesus or Rejection of Christ. Be for Christ, or anti-Christ, be hot or cold, apathy is slothful surrender to demons.

[@benclark1482]

​@@user-je5ib5nv8uyup yup but they get a lot about the character of God correct.

[@bobtaylor170]

Islam is demonic. They do not believe Jesus is The Son of God as Christians do. And if the catechism says Muslims worship the same God as Christians, the catechism is wrong.

[@mpex1980]

What's the name of his Book?

[@Arvidholders]

Pagan America

[@jonnystanley8720]

Great interview

[@wishIwuzskiing]

Regarding the topic of "specie-ism" Remember that in Nazi Germany, nature worship was in full swing leading up to Hitlers rise.

[@EnglishMike]

No it wasn't. The vast majority of Germans were Christians during Hitler's rise to power. Dissatisfaction with the post WW1 settlement (ceding territory to France) and hyperinflation paved the way for the rise of the populist right wing Nazi government to power.

[@stephencotter538]

The writings in Venerable Matt Talbot are very detailed on his discipline of "custody of the eyes" whicj leads to "custody of the mind" which ultimately leads to "custody of the heart". These practices offer a reasonable solution (generally speaking) for living a Christian life in the modern digital age. Certainly worth looking into and very relevant to the conversation around 1 hour into this discussion

[@fireballgarcia1281]

I go back and forth on whether to move. I live in California which is obviously pretty bad. But I live in a city with multiple great parishes, with strong family support from my family and my girlfriend’s family, strong church community, and a reasonable sensible government. I am not in a great area but have a great community.

[@Ben.....]

My man drops the Assassins Creed meme phrase in the first 5 without explanation. Lol what a joker.

[@fireballgarcia1281]

I noticed that too, I believe he thought it was from a real person lol. But I guess his point still stands even if the quote is from a game

[@Ben.....]

@@fireballgarcia1281 No it doesn't. You can't be so sloppy to quote a historical fiction videogame. It's embarrassing.

[@taylormcanerney8635]

@Ben..... So you think that the video game Assassins Creed was the original use of this phrase? It's not ...

[@Ben.....]

@@taylormcanerney8635 Please Source.

[@RoseEJSB]

Irving, TX! It has the University of Dallas, a great Catholic school and Mater Dei, a strong TLM parish and community

[@thegutsygrape4789]

1:08:20 can someone explain legally how this would work. I'm sure someone would love to try it but then the fed government can come in and overturn right?

[@MusicEnjoyerSLS]

Should get Andrew Isker, author of The Boniface Option, on the show

[@gamefan8552]

Great conversations here, however I do not see any regarding gun control, and what church says on this regard, and how this applies to USA and what should Catholics think in this regard, given the situation. Think its a big theme to tackle given many seemed to be driven by personal bias instead of moral arguments or evidence.

[@OldeTymeMusic1]

seasonal allergies straight up murdering Thursday 😂

[@maxterlisner9362]

I almost lost my faith to Norse paganism but when I repented I learned of Saints Edwin, Oswald, Olav, Vladimir, Canute, Rognvald and so many more who were not just Vikings Vikings but good Catholic who some of them brought whole nations into the Church. The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is so universal that what Pagans and Satanists truly want is contained in it what men want is not evil or sin but God Holy Nordic Germanic Marters pray to God for us.

[@patrickmcclure1161]

This sounds like the same kind of language or points that would’ve been made when the printing press became available, when radio became available and when television became available. We are not going to stop the March of technology. We can only manage it. To sit around, wringing your hands Saying oh I wish this had never been invented no good.

[@Arvidholders]

No this time it's really different, they're creating a technological parallel universe which is going to cost a lot of energy, so combined with the climate panic, it's the only thing being left. No more petrol cars, no more cash, restricted zones... It is now on theological levels, no matter how many times it's proven wrong they're still going further because the default is allowing people with a liberal secular materillistic mindset who go al long with it as we learned in "20 to "22.

[@tonyl3762]

Brian Johnson sounds like the title character in _American Pyscho_ .