Joyful Chaos with Aquinas (Mother Natalia & Shayne Smith)

[@pintswithaquinas]

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[@adamo80nine]

Months ago I was finding my way back to Christianity when I saw Shayne's testimony. Growing up in an Italian Roman Catholic family, it's always been around but I definitely strayed away for a while. When I saw Shayne's interviews I felt like I connected with him, being heavily tattooed and into a lot of the same things. It made it a lot easier to make the decision to come back and continue to let the lord lead me in the right direction. Thanks brother. 🙏🏼🙌🏼🤲🏼

[@mfamich5563]

Beautiful to hear!

[@fredleonori8412]

Welcome back brother

[@joykratofil4890]

@@adamo80nine I love this! Shane is doing God’s work. Welcome back home!

[@andreanease4215]

He’s so relatable, isn’t he? He will bring many in.

[@Juliannarvivas]

I click so fast every time I see mother Natalia, I love seeing her as a guest 🫶🏻💕

[@LoveeeeelyM]

You’re so pretty. Jesus loves you 🫶🏻 💛🌻

[@cassandraduran811]

It's such a good episode!

[@olgacaceres8086]

@@Juliannarvivas SAME!!!

[@RachelG-d6d]

Shayne always put a smile on my face. Love this trio and all the insights/personalities coming together.

[@AaronGrosch29]

Not me quietly weeping at the idea of "We need to accept everything as from the hand of the Lord...including ourselves." Not celebrating those sinful or broken parts, but in the same way as I endeavor to accept life's events, I need to accept my self, what I am now by grace, as from the Lord. Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me. Thank you guys for this conversation. 🙏

[@mariannastevenson9974]

@@AaronGrosch29 Yes! This made me weep tears of joy. Thank you!

[@LoveeeeelyM]

Me too! 🥹🫶🏻

[@chazchoo99]

I'm so grateful for this comment! As I was listening to the episode, I thought it was profound, but I just kept listening and forgot about it. As I read your comment, it brought me to tears too. I really need to meditate on this more.

[@AaronGrosch29]

@chazchoo99 Yes! The Lord bless you! 🙏

[@minidriver9344]

So, tbh, I've seen about 10 Matt Fradd podcasts so far, but none by choice. They've all been instances where I'd fallen asleep watching a KZbin video and woken up 2 hours deep into one of Matt's podcasts. That's also what happened this time, except i had been half-consciosly listening to the podcast in my sleep and incorporating it into my dream. I fully woke up with only 10 or so minutes remaining in the podcast, and i was sooo invested in what Mother Natalia was saying, that i scrolled back the full 3 hours and watched it from the beginning. I find it absolutely fascinating how 3 totally different personality types can create such beautiful harmony and balance of energy. I was particularly impressed with the moment Matt felt compelled to admit he felt he'd embarrassed himself with a comment he'd made to Mother Natalia, and the way she seamlessly and sincerely affirmed his authenticity in mentioning it. Such a beautiful conversation, i will watch it a second time, and share it with friends. Praise God.

[@shannonswift2233]

Same!! I’m waking up now for the fourth or fifth time in the last month with this podcast playing & their words in my dreams. To me, Shayne was a very calm, friendly spirit and Mother Natalia came off like a caring sister - which makes sense. I was raised a JW, then Baptist, then Bahai and now Buddhist

[@ColetteO_]

I found that moment touching as well when Matt was so candid. And I really loved when he says he is so acutely aware of the movements of his heart all the time. I am like that too and it can be exhausting. ❤️

[@lindsey_sro]

These always come on when I’m asleep as well!

[@elizabethden-bakker597]

When Matt gets vulnerable at about 30 minutes and opens the conversation about self awareness 😢 the struggle is real thanks for not cutting things out. I’ve praying about this and to be able to hear this conversation is just such a gift thankyou for your podcast. Love your work can’t wait for you to be back in Aus. God Bless you all 🫶🏻

[@stufen11]

Mother Natalia, such a gift, such a star.

[@andrewosterloh2244]

The last part of this interview discussing sin is so healing. "...but if the point is simply not sinning, then what you're saying is ... I don't even want to need God. I don't want to need a savior. I want to be able to just get everything right..." I needed to hear that. I get so caught up in the thought of how wretched I am that I forget that the point is not about my perfection (or lack thereof...), but about my relationship with the One who made me and loves me so intimately. Thank you, Sister Natalia, Shayne, Matt, and Josiah for this interview. God bless you all!

[@melmerk12]

@@andrewosterloh2244 AMEN!

[@stephencotter538]

@1:46 There's a Catholic skateboard company called motherboards out of Colorado. They sponsor a Catholic monk, and post videos of him absolutely shredding skateparks while in his habit. It's pretty great. Edit: Shayne mentions the company towards the end of the video. Good stuff!

[@buirvin1236]

Oh my goodness, thank you for this info! My husband and I want new boards. I will definitely be checking this out.

[@stephencotter538]

@buirvin1236 They have snowboards, t-shirts, sweatshirts, stickers, and all kinds of miscellaneous stuff and prayer cards. Their graphics are so cool and well done. If I ever have some extra money I will definitely buy a snowboard from them.

[@RollingSherman505]

@@stephencotter538 I am going to learn to snowboard this year (Fingers crossed it goes well) If It does I am totally getting that St. Michael Snowboard!

[@Charlie_alpha_romeo]

A minute in and we are talking about kickflipping nuns I’m so locked in 🤣🤣🤣

[@crisisactor420]

This is one of the realist conversations I've heard on this awesome podcast. No goal, no topic in mind. Starting out talking video games and fun stuff and it just gets deeper and deeper. God bless all of you. Thank you Matt for not editing that part out (what you said wasnt that bad imo, dont worry). I've had a serious issue with running my mouth since I was a kid. When I was a kid, it was funny, and I thought it gained me social points. As an adult working in a professional environment, its difficult. I catch myself saying something stupid all the time. Honestly people probably dont even think about it, but it eats at me. What Mother Natalia said really helped me. I need to think about that for like 48 hours

[@ColetteO_]

@@crisisactor420 same. That part really hit me too. Didn't know either of these people before clicking on this episode.

[@jkellyid]

Mother Natalia confessing she found her confidence and identity in Christ really resonated with me. In my own journey the confidence in a proper faith illuminates all your prior inadequacies.

[@JohnPaulHare]

I love the part of the conversation about St. Thérèse. What Shayne was saying about her gentleness in spite of her struggles with herself, has been my experience. I never realized how deep my connection to her was until this year, as I've worked on growing my relationship with her. The more I learn about her, the cooler I think she is and the more I love her example of holiness. It's awesome to hear how other people relate to her, and the ways that she's impacted their lives.

[@mercyfaustina22]

I hope she brings you a rose ❤ I've seen this happen to many people!

[@mlms4702]

Listened to to the ghost story part breastfeeding in the middle of the night. My husband woke up thinking I was crying because I was trying to stifle my laughter. Thanks for making this late night feeding so enjoyable !

[@christinemartinez9730]

I’ve listened to 40-50 of Matt’s interviews and this is my favorite yet.

[@Eliza-cn5ii]

Yes! Someone else said it best "three different personalities making a beautiful harmony".

[@warshrike9075]

It's so weird listening to Shayne talk about his childhood. I also grew up in Utah, ran in similar groups as he did and I feel like we have a lot of similar experiences, yet I've never met the dude. What a cool guy. And here I am on my Catholic journey as well! Ever since I started looking more into the church, my life has been in an up turn. Been seeing this beautiful Catholic woman for about 6 months now. She's been taking me to Mass, and really pushing me to be the best version of myself that I can be. Praise be to God! Never been happier in my entire life. And of course, always an absolutely joy listening to Mother Natalia. One of my favorite guests you guys have had on the show! We've gotta see the kickflip in the habit though! Nothing is more punk rock and rebelious than a kickflipping Nun. 🤘

[@mariannastevenson9974]

Shayne is correct! Our food is filled with chemicals that are banned in other countries. Subway bread is not bread but a cooked yoga mat.

[@ColonialT7]

As he drinks a diet coke

[@mariannastevenson9974]

@ColonialT7 That is funny. I have to listen to this podcast because I am driving and delivering. Thank you for the laugh!

[@ColonialT7]

@@mariannastevenson9974 0:34 😂

[@empackmanmueller1725]

@@mariannastevenson9974 new FDA jfk jr is going to ban alot of the chemicals that are banned in Europe but are used in US foods. European foods are have less chemicals. Hope it happens its so important for our health, body and spiritual being! 🙏

[@mariannastevenson9974]

@@empackmanmueller1725 Yes we need to make America healthy again. It is scary how much science is in our food. I love following the foodbabe. If we eat all we have been given by God...we are restoring our body back to the garden of Eden.❤️🙏🏻

[@claytonhall989]

I’m rewatching this entire interview. There is so much wisdom being shared that I need to hear it again. God bless!

[@mercyfaustina22]

I LOVED this episode! Shayne brings so much joy to the table, and Mother Natalia, always a winner! I've been discerning asking our new (baby) priest to be my spiritual director. This episode helped me in MY discernment. I always learn so much from your show. Thanks, Matt and Josiah. I love your show.

[@MilitantfortheImmaculata]

I hope to God that we can all be with the Lord for eternity. You three, as well as Thursday, are genuinely my favorite people to listen to. Each of you inspire me in a different way. Thank you all for your vulnerabilities and insights. Love you guys and Mother Natalia. God bless each of you. Glory to Jesus Christ.

[@erickav187]

Can't believe i managed to watch the whole show with many breaks in between with 5 kids but my favorite was the very end when Shayne describes imagining the angles and saints cheering for us in our battles. That's always going to stay with me. Thank you . I love it.

[@cooperutley2502]

The “let’s wrap this up before our hard drive stops receiving…” and the video ending was just perfect. 😂

[@damarispena1113]

Shayne please make cool Catholic themed t-shirts. In the beginning of the school year went to a store with my son, called Zumiez , there T-shirts were so morbid they had some spiritual stuff mixed with images of weed, sexualized women,grim reaper and then a picture of our lady of Guadalupe on a t -shirt. I wish there was cool spiritual images on t shirts that my 15 yrs old can wear as a Mom I would definitely buy it.

[@nilshubinette4932]

What a wisdom overload in the end of this episode. Every single thing Mr. Natalia said, you could spend 10 years contemplating over.

[@picaronews2888]

What a lovely human being. A sign of God's love and mercy to us all.

[@lindseyavery2533]

Matt- I loved your comment to Mother Natalia about “hiding” behind the habit and your cowboy line to Shane. I laughed out loud, hard at both of those moments. Rejection sensitive dysphoria is a very real thing that comes on quick and stays for Highly Sensitive Personality types- which I firmly believe you likely have and it’s part of what makes your vulnerability so lovely and relatable. Thank you for being so real with your audience! It makes us feel like we’re welcome in the room. ❤❤❤

[@niftyspiffyguy]

Matt taking the time to talk about self awareness was SO good. The segue into accepting one’s self and Shayne with this cherry on the top analogy 48:15 I really appreciated it and the advice on “giving it to the Lord… -what does that even mean?!” 😂 Love y’all

[@ShannonStapeOCDS]

Mother Natalia’s speel at the end about sin and Confession is the speech I needed to hear that I didn’t know I needed to hear❤ I could’ve heard her go on for an hour about this subject

[@andreanease4215]

I could listen to Shayne talk all day.

[@Elizgameromanti]

The way Shane described that he doesn’t want to be social and talk to people etc, is totally the same for me. I’ve literally said how exhausting it is to talk to people even those I love.

[@shay6688]

Can we get a link to something like a list the books Mother Natalia is reading or has read and would recommend?

[@katiescibaspeaker]

I TOTALLY played video games with my brother and he kept my controller unplugged.

[@mattdenise8867]

Same. We had nitendo 90s

[@August__Love]

We need a Thursday/Josiah pod. Loved that trump episode

[@shay-car]

I love Josiah so much. His younger generation meme expertise is so evident on the channel. I love their TikTok reactions. 😂

[@emmafradd]

That was one of my favourite episodes too!

[@ceciliaborrego4387]

This needs to be a regular thing. Mother Natalia brings such a beautiful balance to Shane and Matt.

[@mathiusq9128]

I had doibted Santa was real but The night I realized Santa was certainly not real I also laid there that night and in my thoughts I doubted Jesus, The Virgin birth, existence of Angels, Heaven and miracles were real too. Then I went on to be dragged to church by my mom for years and received all my sacraments with no faith. Its a miracle that I came to believe in anything and everything the church teaches in my 30s.

[@J.J.V]

Oof, so sorry you experienced that, but thank you for sharing. We do not do Santa or Easter bunny with our kids and it gets so tiring having other people push it on them and act like we're depriving them of a key childhood experience. I'd much rather they be able to trust what we tell them and carry their faith into adulthood than jeopardize that for the sake of a cute holiday morning..

[@rebecca14798]

My parents weren't Christians, but when l found out Santa wasn't real l thought to myself, "Even my parents are liars. You can't trust anyone!" I never told my children Santa was real.

[@scopilio13]

the image of shayne busting through a door to escape a demon is infinitely hilarious.

[@jimmiferfreddette8583]

I can relate to Shane so much on being on the surface very extroverted, but would love nothing more than to be by myself all the time. my job requires me to be very social and upbeat all day. Many many days feel like nothing but suffering having to be social. But I know it’s good for me and I do it with a smile on my face and I’m glad I do it. I also love daydream. It’s literally my favorite“ hobby” lol long ago, I forced myself to not do it. It can be useful, but it’s mostly an incredible waste of time.

[@Ra20233]

Monastics are amazing people. I went to a Cistercian abbot to get spiritual advice when I was reverting, and now a Carmelite nun is my son's godmother. If you're unsure of monastics, make arrangements to meet with one.

[@DinaWeidner]

I love hearing Mother Natalia’s laughing at Shayne Smith’s ghost story. 😂 I love this podcast and your guests are amazing! I really love all of your insights.

[@bethanyspicer1501]

This episode was amazing 😄 watched the whole thing and loved every minute of it

[@courtneygulley8596]

Mother Natalia! I was a skater girl too…my friends were all boys and would skate and my memories of those times are the best! And as far as Santa…I have 5 kids ranging from 20-9, I never told them Santa wasn’t real. Ever. They found out, but I still play that he is real and therefore I never had my heart broken when they no longer believed and they weren’t let down too bad by me lying. So now they play along and it melts my heart ♥️

[@shay-car]

Not outing Santa with no warning 😂 Poor unsuspecting child listeners

[@zcuric]

This is pure raw podcasting and I love it :D

[@ArchangelMiniatureGaming]

Hurry up with the templar shirt Shayne! I'll buy one for each of my 3 boys, and myself!

[@jaroslawponiatowski1059]

I was listening his testimony and it helped me not to have this kind reaction, how he looks. At the same time this nun is so beautiful and overall they’re beautiful inside because they have freedom in their heart!

[@vasilysidorenko8821]

Mother Natalia is such a lovely woman, what a joy.

[@stephencotter538]

What a trio! I love this episode 👍👏

[@grunt12394]

This definitely the most Metal episode of Pints With Aquinas so far! 🎸😎🔥 Keep it up Matt!

[@misbehavens]

“God provides the grace we need… He forms us to carry the crosses that we are meant to carry.”

[@alleydi8120]

I absolutely loved this conversation. Probably up there with my favourite episodes of PWA. Hope to see you in Perth, Matt!

[@razbarry42]

Mother Natalia thank you for your comments starting at 3:07. The point is communion with God not just not sinning and not needing a savoir. You said it much better than I can type.

[@sarahschnapf7859]

I cant wait for the interview w Mother Natalia & Shanye. Shayne., come back Shayne🤠 this interview is gonna amazing Matt& Josiah 🎉

[@dannyd4085]

This will be the BEST podcast ever let’s go! Glory to Jesus Christ!

[@evelinmonterroso8723]

Love mother Natalia, today I saw the first interview she did on the podcast and I loved it! ❤

[@owenyoung9915]

Oddly enough, The Sopranos brought me back into the faith. It has a lot of not-so-holy things involved in it, as it takes place in the world of La Cosa Nostra (This thing of Ours/The mafia.) but months later I’m about 1/4 through RCIA, halfway through the Bible in a Year on Hallow. Praise Jesus Christ. The show plays out like modern Dostoevsky and Shakespeare by the last few seasons. It’s riveting.

[@kellibuzzard9431]

I can see that. ❤

[@frjb9392]

Thanks so much Matt, Mother and Shayne 🙏 Would be awesome to have Shayne (and you all) in Melbourne next year for ACYF. Our young people in Australia need to hear Shayne's testimony and comedy, as well as Mother's joy and authenticity. Thank you Matt for your incredible ministry! God Bless + Fr James

[@MB-sb5vh]

I really appreciated the vibe between you guys. Beautiful 🎉. Loved it. Thanks.

[@DontCallMeWilliam]

This was the most unexpected yet deep podcast I have listened to yet

[@mariannastevenson9974]

I was waiting for this show!❤️🙏🏻

[@Mandaaa1]

Absolutely wonderful conversation. Must also mention...as a fan of firearms I loved Shaynes AK47 reference to our sin/bearing our cross. It's so accurate....unlike the AK itself 🤣😉

[@Theshadyassassin]

You should ask Mother Natalia what she thinks about the game INDIKA. (About an orthodox nun who confronts the devil, belief, and free will). It’s a super interesting game and has mechanics that involve praying to traverse through the world. It does raise very difficult questions about suffering, hell, and free will. I’d be curious for an eastern Catholic nun to react to it in some way.

[@phizzyglitterswirl9251]

This three person format was amazing. Likely best one you have done. Matt +laity+holy orders=dynamite amazing

[@iohannesfactotum]

Hooray these two both make me so happy

[@drafting5353]

I really like these conversations. The cliche of being broken gets over used too much. We have a fallen nature and sin. Great observation that the devil wants us to see our sin but the devil wants us to get stuck there.

[@liliarosales1961]

I love this episode so much.

[@andrewschulman5893]

You can be weird and Catholic! Thank you Shayne for speaking your testimony with such humor and grace!

[@BenjaminOwenSlattery]

The idea that “Santa’s not real” taught me to have a materialist worldview instead of a symbolic, incarnational worldview

[@benjaminlquinlan8702]

Pageau has entered the chat!!!!

[@LauraBeeDannon]

We don't do Santa. We do Saint Nicholas day on the 6th. We all knew mom was Santa cuz she had the most perfect handwriting😂

[@daphnerobert-hamilton3066]

Is there a link for Shayne’s tshirts?

[@EmbracingTradition100]

Loved this episode so much! ❤ Mother Natalia is such a gem! Shayne is too but I especially enjoy Mother Natalia 😂 They’re the perfect combo! We need more of these two!

[@thruaGlassOnion]

Please Mother Natalia, talk more about the interior things that need to be addressed in relation to body image issues!

[@Yeoman530]

I like the way you said "Beautifully free". I struggle with this, speaking my mind with limited filter and worrying about how it was interpreted by people later. I think atleast I hope it is okay to speak freely as long as it comes from an innocent heart.

[@melaniereeder2349]

Definitely grew up watching my brother play video games. Such good memories.

[@amjhahn91]

Shane my husband and I saw your show Rosemont, and we specifically went to see you, not to purchase chicken fingers! I was actually annoyed that I had to buy drinks and food because I don't drink alcohol and I had already eaten dinner with my family before we left. Anyway, You're awesome and I've been a fan since I first saw you interview the cardboard cut out of Pope Francis at SEEK.

[@savestheday6648]

Great, laugh out loud episode! Thanks you three.

[@LoNoOr37]

WHY SHOOT THE DOG?? SHANE WAS TRYING TO TELL YOU THE DOG IS NOT THE PROBLEM IS THE OWNER WHY, WHY THE DOG OR ANY ANIMAL HAS TO PAY THE CONSEQUENCES FOR PEOPLE'S STUPIDITY????

[@mestredasdesilusoes7639]

I've never commented before, but I'm a few cups of wine in and I've smoked a cigar, and I have to say, I loved this episode. May God bless you three and if you have time pray for me as well

[@jessieotaiza]

2 of my favorite guests 😊❤

[@mewithoutYou_7]

Great episode! Love to both Mother Natalia and Shayne. Also to you Matt and Josiah ofc

[@Range-Pro_1]

The concept of being saved by grace through faith, rather than by works, is a central theme in Christian theology. One of the main passages that highlights this is Ephesians 2:8-9 (NIV): "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast." Another relevant passage is Titus 3:5 (NIV): "He saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit." These passages speak about the belief that salvation is a gift from God, made possible through faith and grace, rather than human effort.

[@jayna1024]

Shayne makes me laugh so hard pretty quickly 😂🤣

[@NotablySped]

I already love Mother Natalia so much, then as one who grew up as a punk rock skater, i have even more love for her. That's so rad lol

[@jackwilson9651]

As a current manager at a local Chick-Fil-A, I loved finding out Mother is a former team member!

[@TheDriveIn.]

About asking God for help and surrendering.. that's the whole reason our faith is counted as righteousness and not our works. Because when we're obsessing over making ourselves better more than we're trusting God with our flaws, we make those issues our God. We make the self our God, as if we think we can strive enough for perfection on our own. So it's our total surrender that is necessary to keep God in His rightful place in our hearts instead of making an idol of our flaws or problems and the things we'd like to change in order to reach our ideal self.

[@clintondonald3439]

You are all wonderful❤

[@erinhoover6621]

I love the three of you together!😍 Great conversation

[@backtoashley]

Gosh, this episode was so lovely!

[@maryofventura4767]

One of the commitments my husband and I made to each other, before we got married, is we would never have a gaming system in our home. We have two children, a mathematician and a chiropractor, and more importantly creative, fun, great communicators, who are fun to be around.

[@oceanblue3803]

I BEGGED my husband to NOT do the santa thing. He insisted on it. Christmas is so hard to refocus on what it is really about. I grew up with both parents as alcoholics. So for me, it was ANOTHER BIG FAT LIE!

[@J.J.V]

It's true, I really think it shifts the focus of the holiday in a bad way :(

[@lifematterspodcast]

I dig this convo. I must say, that while we should not make striving to overcome our silly quirks and insecurities our central goal (Jesus loves us more for these things), overcoming pron is not something you should surrender to Jesus in the sense that you may never overcome that. That is different. You should confidently trust that you will overcome such a thing, making it a goal to surrender yourself fully to the Blood of Jesus and enter into the Crucifixion in such a way that you are confident you will be delivered and overcome. Part of this is accepting that the desire to have a spouse is a good thing, but giving to our fleshes whom is bad. We must hate that. We must realize that God hates pron and we should not settle for never overcoming that, lest we go to hell. Similar to St. Mark Ji Tianxiang - he had faith he would be delivered and was.

[@holdintheaces7468]

One of the fondest memories I have of me and my twin sister growing up was us playing Sonic 2 together. She was always Tails. (We had two controllers, she got to actually play)

[@HatWares]

30 minutes in, just freeform chatting! I love it!

[@theperfectstormpettit2645]

Funny thing Me and my dog go to the same chiropractor once a week.. my dog slipped disc in back and the vet said he would never walk again well 4 yrs later he's walking.. 1st visit he stood up and walked.. im a believer

[@BrickTop06]

I'm so old that a "mother" is younger than me. Also, it was wild hearing her talk about legit skate tricks.

[@August__Love]

“Its YOLO” 😂 😂 😂

[@chaseadams8157]

Shayne, please do a larger run on the shirt you wore this episode. I want one really really bad

[@sryxafraidofmonstersx]

easily my favorite guests no offense to all the other great guests and definetly my favorite episode ever

[@nickyionta]

Do you know Matt if Shayne has any plans to come to the UK? Love the show.❤

[@markkristynichols845]

Mother Natalia you were a cheerleader WOOT WOOT, me too, BTW, I’m Kristy, the hubs, Mark, NEVER a cheerleader lol 😂

[@maximilianlobkowicz9561]

I totally understand the thing with st. Theresa