Gossip: Why it's SINFUL w/ Fr. Gregory Pine, OP

[@chisomchinwero4121]

I have been struggling to stop talking about people. I knew there is something bad about it. As most times, my speech doesn’t add to their honor. I’m glad to hear this. This plainly exposes what I’m doing. Now by grace, I can consciously try to be better. Thank you Fr Gregory Pine Thank you pints with Aquinas

[@truthteller3288]

I come from a family that believed in Jesus but know nothing of him or his commandments. Gossip has destroyed the unity of my family ( parents and siblings + spouse's) and i have been somewhat excommunicated and left out from bbq and holiday gathering for not going along with there games. It's a toxic sin that is over look in my opinion and has to be stomp out quickly because it's a family divider or walk away as I did if you're in the same position.

[@talkingwhite]

Exact same thing happened to me with my extremely jealous older brother and my family. They take his word as gospel and he twists the story around to make him seem like a victim when he is the aggressor. No one is there to speak to either party to stop it. It's mad!

[@truthteller3288]

@@talkingwhite My advice to you is pray for them, be peaceful and over look any offensive that have been directed towards you and GOD will bless you. 2 things will happen from my experience either they will see the changes GOD has done in your life and accept it and be on Mutual grounds with you or you'll be despised. Those have be my experiences so far since my conversion I pray you have unity and peace with your brother.

[@Catholicity-uw2yb]

ST. FRANCIS DE SALES: “Everyone paints devotion according to his own passions and fancies. A man given to fasting thinks himself very devout if he fasts, although his heart may be filled with hatred. A man doesn’t dare wet his tongue with wine or even water but won’t hesitate to drink deep of his neighbor’s blood by slander, vilification, and gossip. Another man thinks himself devout because he daily recites a vast number of prayers, but after saying them he utters the most disagreeable, arrogant and harmful words at home and among his neighbors.”

[@mildredfranklin6358]

Yes I read in the Bible book 📖 god said your tongue is a deadly weapon make sure you produce good things out of it 🙌🏽🌻

[@profesorwyobraznia2652]

gossip really breaks unity. once i talked with friends about one of the girls in the dorm, how she's so overly talkative, and even though it wasn't so serious, i felt very vividly how it not only made her look worse in our eyes, but how it hurt the unity of our group - because if we talked in such a way about one person behind her back, how can i trust that they won't talk about me behind my back? how can they trust that i won't talk about them behind their back? gossip is extremely friendship-breaking. God protect us from talking about others badly behind their back.

[@crazyedswonderfulworldofso9370]

Well said Father!

[@nyantakyibannor9328]

Can you do a video on spiritual pride and how to avoid/overcome it?

[@mariaa9985]

Great to see you Fr. Pine!! Thank you for always sharing your gifts!

[@tinag7506]

Detraction and slander happen to be 2 most ignored mortal sins IMO. people don't even know the gravity of these sins. It's mainly just impurity that's focused on (although it's should be). I didn't even know that it was classified as grave until I began my catholic spiritual reading journey.

[@gerddonni2017]

Great content, spiced up with father's unprecedented sense of humour!

[@marlinenoel4467]

Father, thanks soooo much for this inspiring teaching! May God continue using you to heal and teach us His children! Thanks a million for allowing God to use you as His instrument!

[@joanmaltman9580]

Because most of my life I attended Parishes where the Priest was either Dominican or Oblates of Mary Immaculate. I was in my 80s before I realised that not all priests belonged to a Religious order..

[@itinerantpatriot1196]

I have always believed motive matters. Words can take on connotations based on a lot of different factors and intent is easily misconstrued but if you avoid malice most times you will be okay. I was an adult educator for many years and I had to measure my words. This was not always easy since tact is not something that comes naturally to me but over time I learned to disarm people with humor, even a bit of sarcasm from time-to-time, because usually there was no malicious intent on my part. However, when there was, I could also let that get the better of me. That is where the whole lack of tact thing became problematic. But going back to my original point, if your motives are good, you will for the most part be on safe ground. That's my take on it anyway. Good topic.

[@Teamfra]

Excellent! The pillow feather collection might have come from St Philip Neri, who is said to have had a gossiping person pluck a chicken while walking to church and then go collect ;)

[@hglundahl]

8:20 Now .... if I republish a debate I had with someone and he lost on argumentation, and he complains of "gossip" ... * have I lied about him by citing his actual words in conjunction with mine or the debate as context of both? * have I exaggerated his bad logic, when I actually left the word to him? * or have I attributed to him a hidden intention, by the fact of publishing, which I hadn't possibly already attributed to him during the debate? Because if I actually didn't do any of these, it would seem I have committed neither detraction nor calumny. Again, he may consider it sneaky to first enter a written "conversation" (correspondence or forum exchange or exchange in youtube comments) which he tacitly imagines will stay between us, and then republish it - but if I then send him a link to the post, I have given him possibilities to act - ideally by accepting he was "on stage" without knowing it, and rise to the occasion with good arguments, that I continue to republish - would that act constitute detraction due to the partial sneakiness of my approach? Is Wallraff guilty of detraction because he describes what people did to him when they thought him such and such rather than a journalist? On the other hand, if a help organisation or a doctor or a policeman (I do not know exactly which of these it might be) is saying things about me which I cannot hear or read in writing, cannot comment on, but which would explain why some other people act in certain ways to me, am I - if my guesss is correct - _not_ the victim of detraction?

[@blayneconroy3035]

You should have a conversation with Jordan Peterson! That would be interesting to watch!

[@Damian1975]

Yes the Doubt movie scene is a great lesson on Gossip

[@TeaHeart22]

Excellent topic. Question though - how does one improve in this when around elders who are to be respected? I find when I stop participating in this behavior I rock the boat and I don't know where the line between honoring my elders and not contributing to further sin. (I think older people often struggle with this because they have so much wisdom and have made good decisions so they find it hard not to be upset with the miss-guided youth or political figures and whatnot but is that attitude towards the behavior flattery?) Also sometimes I'm afraid of improving in this area because I'm afraid of feeling haughty or better than my elders and making me puffed up with pride and making me a tightwad which in sure is also contributing to the rocking of the boat. How does one fight sin and not increase in pride?

[@hopefull61256]

Yes in my family it is often the elders that gossip and deem it offensive if asked to stop.

[@graham6774]

Father Gregory im just starting to appreciate your teaching after a couple of years of Pints With Aquinas...! I also recently started 'Dialogues' by St Catherine of Siena, after visiting Siena, and Dominican teaching is really starting to take root. Im a Scottish Episcopalian/Anglican and i want to ask about 'bad' language...in many ways this seems to be cultural, but i still feel guilty for using it... please tell me your opinion, is mild swearing ok, and in what context is it not? Sounds like a stupid question perhaps, but i want to be real and honour God and teach my family well.

[@therese_paula]

Hi, Father. I have a question and here is the scenario. I have a colleague who is the leader for a certain project (and has the last say on some issues that needs to be decided on). Another office acquaintance asked me of my opinion about a certain decision that was made, to which that person does not agree. That leader is heavily criticized by that some other persons in the org (not all, just some). I happen to have the opinion that go against the leader (I am part of the project team) and I expressed that opinion openly when I was asked. I can imagine that agitated people more against the leader as someone from the team itself has expressed going against the decision made. How should this be viewed in the light of what was discussed in this video? Thank you.

[@mariagodinez9692]

What is the implication of a Catholic marine a numb practicing Catholic the husband married 3 times notimes not in the calculator church. What is a stake for the Catholic married that person?

[@hunterfortruth6036]

Bravoo

[@CatholicChristian51]

Are we to be a doormat for others?

[@berwynsigns4115]

great vid

[@CatholicChristian51]

But, when is it not sinful to defend yourself or others, point out when someone is behaving badly, or are we to be a doormat?

[@magaman6353]

Does that mean "Let's go, Brandon" is a sin? And how do we treat homosexual bishops and gay activist priests, like James Martin SJ?

[@msgoody2shoes959]

Fun fact: we are not entitled to a private confession. 1. ) It's a sin to not forgive and 2.) Gossiping is a sin. We are all sinners. #chapteroffaults

[@msgoody2shoes959]

@@jacob6515 the seal of confession only applies to the priest not to any other person.Ifsomeone were to overhear a confession 2. things you need to remember 1. gossip is a sin and 2.) we are to forgive one another. Matt 7:12, James 5:16, Cols. 3:13

[@msgoody2shoes959]

@@jacob6515 oh, man...the point is there, dude. and it's clear. Take it or leave it.

[@s58786]

@@msgoody2shoes959 I know for fact if we are standing in line we SHOULD NOT be eavesdropping on someone’s confession and if we can hear them speaking we need to walk away or back up further so we can’t listen .

[@msgoody2shoes959]

@@s58786 yes, but even if we were on the front lines of a war front and we were in a fox hole with a priest, and we were about to be shot at, and he heard our confessions, if we survive, the rules of gossip and forgiveness apply.

[@msgoody2shoes959]

Always remember you have been forgiven by Christ, and you don't deserve it, be Christ to everyone else.

[@John-el5jv]

Father, you really should address how these principles apply in circumstances where the criticism is factually accurate. Is all criticism wrong? When does criticism cross the line into revilement? Also, what of the case public revilement is intended as a warning to third parties, who may not be aware of another person's known evil behavior? I realize the *application* of the general principles you laid out may present difficult questions (or perhaps not?), but it seems to me that the subject matter requires a more nuanced explanation, because it is often the case that remarks that, on their face, might appear to fall into this category may have a justifying motive of one kind or another. Not in all cases, of course -- often, gossip is just gossip. But at least in some substantial number of cases. Thanks.

[@chrisvandermerwe7111]

Get out of my head! Haha! So glad you made this comment and I hope they respond, perhaps with another video.

[@chrisvandermerwe7111]

@Lolopopolo would I categorize a younger sister into the children section? Also, what is the meaning of your screen name?

[@caterinadc5567]

@Lolopopolo Your answer seems kind of abstract. I think it's a fair question, to ask how to discern when it's okay to say factually accurate things that have a side effect of exposing a guilty person to dishonour. There is such a thing as victimized people feeling paralyzed because they don't want to 'sin' by revealing the sins of those who hurt them. Suggesting that the reality of our own fallen nature should mean we "only say the good things" about others, would seem to have the consequence of perpetuating a hell of a lot of evil, by failing to take actions that help to halt the harm that others are doing -- that action often necessarily starting with honest words about the harm that is happening.

[@caterinadc5567]

@Lolopopolo The sacrament of Confession is not meant to extend to every circumstance outside of Confession. And I was alluding to exactly the kind of case where there's "good reason." I don't think anybody would argue that we should comment on the negative traits of others without "good reason". The only question is how to discern where that line is, when the reason is good enough. This is particularly important for the uneducated/scrupulous who might find themselves trapped as victims of abuse believing it would be sinful to tell someone about the harm someone else is doing to them, because of how this truth reveals the sin of their abuser.

[@caterinadc5567]

@Lolopopolo Okay, people like you are exactly why I'm commenting here. You're the kind of person whose carelessness with your words puts false ideas out there, that pressures scrupulous people into enduring sexual abuse (etc) without reporting it. Please, for the sake of victims everywhere, think more carefully before you speak. There are real reasons for real victims to speak truthfully about the negative things others have done /are doing to them. It is NOT obligatory for Catholics to endure abuse without reporting it, just because reporting it would reveal a bad thing about someone else.

[@ransomcoates546]

‘Oh felix culpa’. If one could achieve perfection in this matter we would not have Evelyn Waugh. (My reaction to Fr. Pine is strange. Theoretically I should like him a lot, but he comes across to me as detached, arrogant, and very irritating.)