Where Trads Can Go Wrong w/ Bishop Scott McCaig

[@igorjesovnik7281]

Traditional mass made me come back. No lukewarmnes. No sympathy for the Devil. Viva Cristo Rey

Christ is King 🙏🏻 there’s nothing wrong with the OG Rite, if it’s good for the early Christians it’s good enough for me -I’m a Kvid convert to the TLM, Praise God 🙏🏻

[@InExcelsisDeo24]

@@igorjesovnik7281 Christ brought me back

[@creedy8612]

Set our eyes upon Christ. I can’t control what goes on in the church but I can stay faithful and never take my focus off my Lord. He alone sustains me.

[@creedy8612]

@@carolynkimberly4021 hahahaah I have a KZbin to watch videos not to have subscribers. I have my profile for a few years never to get subscribers. You’re funny. I guess no one can have any opinion on the internet or you call them names, or trolls because it doesn’t fit your way of thinking. Many people have a KZbin to just watch videos. Take a chill pill Carolyn. 😂

[@creedy8612]

@@carolynkimberly4021 loosen the chapel veil. I think our conversation is done. You attacked me calling me a liar to start this conversation and then accuse me of saying outrageous things against the church. Keep doing you Carol.

[@claire111]

Amen 🙏🏽

[@ritablanchard8133]

That’s how I feel. I’m saddened by the trads often disparaging the Novo Mass. when I witness it, the parable of tax payer & the Pharisee comes to mind. If the trad could only see the comments through Jesus’s eyes.

[@knguyen6061]

@@ritablanchard8133 The problem of the trads is They think that forms trumps all substance like the Phrases, and looking down on the authority of the pope (the power to bind and loose)

[@robcassman]

The house is on fire and the father is abusive. But the "problem" is with those pointing it out. Sheesh.

[@montecarloss305]

As I have found myself trending toward Traditional Catholicism, my disappointment/anger typically stems from two things: injustice towards the Eucharist and a feeling of being deprived of the riches of our predecessors. It does not help that current pontificate seems ready to purge us from the pews.

[@apalsnerg]

You ought to see the Pope as God, my friend. He's supposed to be representing Christ Himself, after all. Stop questioning, start obeying.

[@isabellamarie722]

@@apalsnerg the pope isn’t God Himself though, so it’s not right for us to look at him as such. yes, he’s the supreme head of the church but the pope is still human and imperfect just like all of us. he still makes mistakes and isn’t correct towards lots of things, like trying to take away the traditional Latin mass.

[@jacobflaherty6985]

apalsnerg’s reply to your comment is demonstrative of why and how KZbin and all social media is not a good barometer for discerning the truth. The pope is not God, but neither can he steal the peace of God. I would suggest that a life of prayer, a good deal of it being mental prayer and personal conversation with Christ, along with a sturdy, heaping portion of scriptural study and reflection, will be the remedy to the legitimate pains you are feeling. For the last seven years I have been an organist at a traditional Catholic parish. But this video clip is timely and accurate; it can happen that a hardening of one’s heart can happen subtly, and cause you to find that anger replaces a joy and peace in God.

[@ntmn8444]

@@apalsnerg he is not God himself. I hope you’re being sarcastic, and even then, I would hope you don’t think that’s the issue here.

[@apalsnerg]

@@ntmn8444 I am, because I am highly skeptical toward the devotion many Catholics seem to have for the pope himself. His authority, from what I understand, on spiritual matters is unquestionable and absolute, which I find disconcerting. I dislike the concept of rather than simply respecting his judgement as a learned and obviously very pious man, he is to be seen as an ecclesiastical despot whose decrees on the Faith are absolute. He is obviously a very clever man, who is very in tune with the Lord. That does not, I reckon, make him the premiere authority on interpretation and understanding.

[@curlyclouds9]

I didn’t experience traditional Catholic masses until I moved to Baltimore and I absolutely became more interested in my faith. The reverence was beautiful and I wanted to be part of it

[@joncerda351]

St Alphonsus Shrine? The FSSP does great work there

[@nathanmorris4663]

As a “Trad” I tend to think that where some of us clumped into that tent go wrong is that, while I usually get annoyed that it seems like the modern church forgets there was a church prior to 1962, (heaven forbid we quote a council that’s not V2 or a pope that wasn’t JPII) it also seems that sometimes the trads can forget that the church continued on after 1962. I hear the bishop on the anger thing, but Jesus was angry sometimes too, I remember this famous story about Him flipping tables and whipping people out of the temple. There is a just anger. Anger at injustice is just. Many trads are angry at the watering down of the liturgy and faith. And the injustice comes when we have seen an entire generation practically disappear from the pews (except for the traditional parishes) and instead of recognizing the poor fruit of the post conciliar changes and consider a restoration, they double down time and time again on things that don’t “build the house” of faith on rock. I’ve seen many peers be “on fire” for the faith back in high school and college cause Praise and worship was fun, but have no signs of supernatural faith into adulthood. The anger is at the real possibility the salvation of souls is no longer the central mission of the bishops and has been replaced with appeasing politicians and the world to seem relevant. There are plenty of Mea Culpas to go around, trads aren’t perfect and yes it’s true even that just anger can become disordered and a tool of the devil if not tempered. But we have great joy too. I am at awe of the Glory of God when I assist at the Mass that the saints also went to. I love seeing the whole life and history of the church brought to life in front of our very eyes. More than anything I love Our Lord and Our God who bestowed upon us this most precious Bride and faith. I get angry when we see her mistreated ;). God love you!

[@jend9559]

Yes!

[@kell_checks_in]

There was also a Church prior to 1570.

[@ntmn8444]

I get what you’re saying, and I too feel there is a watering of the faith. I do. But, I doubt that traditional values will keep or bring people back. I said the same when I came back two years ago. If people knew what this actually was, they’d come back in droves. Nope. That’s not true. The gate is narrow for sure. There’s a reason why Jesus said that. People are less interested in truth and what’s good, right and just than you think. We can hope people eventually figure it out before they die, but I think the reality is that hell is very full, and that’s why Mary is very sad and upset. We need to focus on ourselves, on understanding the faith, and well, we should try reasonably to bring the gospel to people.

[@taylormcanerney8635]

Well said, YES YES YES!

[@teresaegger5097]

I totally agree!

[@roseangela2797]

Amid all the CHAOS..I am consoled by my faith and trust in JESUS, I TRUST IN YOU. JMJ

[@johncassani6780]

I can’t disagree with anything his excellency says, but, bishops have an obligation toward all of the faithful, not just those who “do what they’re told.” Also, matters in the “external forum” have a tendency to become very widely known, i.e. Traditional Latin Mass goers are, in many places, being strongly urged, or even given an ultimatum to assist at the Novus ordo, or else, while those who believe that denying Holy Communion to politicians who support abortion without limit are told that they are being unpastoral. I am very thankful that a bishop is willing to show understanding toward those who are angry, and to be authentically Christian is to accept trial, but trials put on us by a hierarchy that has frittered away its moral authority by its own actions is very hard to take. Let us pray for one another.

[@kamilziemian995]

I would at, it make hierarchy looks bad. And it don't need it any more reason to look bad, just look at McCarrick.

[@phillipcuccia9971]

I would like to see an interview with the question “where non-Trads/Novus Ordo adherents can go wrong” to balance the discussion.

[@Jayce_Alexander]

I think he pretty much summed it up, although unintentionally.

[@kell_checks_in]

Either you support existing doctrine or you don't. There is no balance between Trads and mainstream Catholics. Trads are seeking to remake doctrine to their own preferences in exactly the same way Progressives are. They are not in any way equal to mainstream, pious Catholics loyal to existing doctrine. Trads AND Progressives are the threats to the Church.

[@phillipcuccia9971]

@@kell_checks_in humm, we must have different concepts of what the word “Trad” means.

[@joechriste7052]

I just really wish that sooner rather than later. Catholics would stop using these divisive terms to describe themselves. What part of the term Catholic (universal) is so hard to use to apply to all who submitted to the authority of the Church? “A house divided cannot stand”

[@ndumferdy2545]

@@joechriste7052 thank you. I do not know if it is an american thing, polarising everything, democrats vs republicans, leftists vs rightwingers, trads vs liberals, everything is polarised and pushed that way. Why cant we just be catholics and children of God?

[@christopherbrunetti5074]

I feel if the rosary was preached more of there was a great emphasis on the sacramental . Many would find peace and go back to the church.

[@alexanderbrown2717]

What about the Gospel? 1 Corinthians 15 KJV 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Romans 3 KJV 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; ♥️Know ♥️ 1 John 5 KJV 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

[@DaveK548]

The Gospel is IN the Rosary!

[@josephzammit8483]

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[@alexanderbrown2717]

@@DaveK548 ♥️ I love how Peter lead first Gentiles to Jesus Christ. Acts 10 KJV 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. How cool is that. They heard the word of truth. Holy Ghost fell on them and sealed them Ephesians 1 KJV 13 ♥️ Then they got baptized. Acts 16 KJV 28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here. 29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

[@wishIwuzskiing]

I don't know that Ralph Martin would agree with how he was just characterized. Mr. Martin is speaking VERY directly, but with charity, about problems as he sees them and not backing off to only a softer, joyful approach. I don't disagree that we need to live in joy as best we can. On a second point, I'm not saying this is what this clip was about BUT... I always find it interesting that when cultural liberals are in charge and pushing damaging agenda's there is a "sit down and shut up, we're in charge" attitude. But when there are conservative people at the helm then it's "Hey, we all need to work together and get along and tone down the rhetoric and anger." Cultural or church liberals NEVER give ground on anything without a furious fight but conservatives seem to always be put into a position of "You're so angry! You have to compromise"

[@MisReal05]

I wouldn’t say he’s saying to compromise as much as he’s saying that the anger we feel can turn is into something we shouldn’t be. Living in constant anger will only lead to more sin, more uncharitableness and more damage to the Church. Sure our enemies might be a bit more furious in getting what they want, but if anything that’s more reason to not follow them down that route and stay true to Christian charity while still trying to achieve our goals. Of course a bit of ferocity and courage is needed but you get what I mean.

[@wishIwuzskiing]

@@MisReal05 you make a very fair point. And I wouldn't recommend living in constant anger at all. It is definitely difficult to find charity and forgiveness through that. My concern is that we are facing quite direct and damaging attacks on the traditions of the church and it takes a very, very mature faith to fight that in calm and peace which is not as common today. When those with less mature faith don't see firm, clear, strong responses, they can become discouraged or confused. These are eternal souls we are fighting for!

[@MisReal05]

@@wishIwuzskiing I agree with you wholeheartedly. Let’s pray we can all become those mature souls that the Church needs right now.

[@wishIwuzskiing]

@@MisReal05 we must pray, pray, pray. Mary told us very clearly that this is THE most important thing we can do which will not only change hearts around the world, but also give us the right judgement, the right courage, the right words to act properly when the opportunity arises or situation demands.

[@MisReal05]

@@wishIwuzskiing again, I agree.

[@TheLincolnrailsplitt]

I always find it interesting when Matt Fradd criticises Trads over liturgical issues when it doesn't affect him because he attends an an Easter Rite Catholic Church. He has the privilege of participating in a Byzantine Rite, which at least for the time being isn't being undermined by the Novo Ordo supporting leadership.

[@MargaretNolan-c1t]

Fradd is nothing more than a charismatic huckster. His fans call themselves "Fraddismatics" and he sells his cult of personality, like smilin' Scott Hahn. What's good for Fradd, is good and what's good for you, is your choice because he hucksters for the counterfeit Novus Ordo sect. "There are many so-called apologists and theologians online using the crisis in the Church to make money." (Fr. Isaac Relyea)

[@bernadetteensley5653]

What's Christ's mission? Saving souls. When the rubber hits the road, lousy liturgy which is the norm is detracting from our faith in Christ. I say this being a Trad who is super open to different perspectives and understanding others. I feel like I've been listening so long and that it comes down to cowardice. I watched adults tuck their tails and go with the flow as a child victim of a 10 year divorce battle, told "it's not my fault" and "it's okay" when none of it was. I sat in pews while my trans dad and lesbian mom lived their lives and no priest spoke about any of this. Everything was shuffled under the couch. I feel like that's the liturgical debate. Casual mass, weak faith, lay people who aren't invigorated by countercultural liturgy... in practice learning to go with the flow and not make others uncomfortable.... And we're losing our identity. I lost my family, I can't lose my Catholic family. I tried the casual stuff for years, trying to understand and be open but I felt my faith dying with it. Sorry, it's time for the Bishops to educate, defend, and spread the faith. No more politics. Fathers defend your families. I don't agree.

[@alexanderbrown2717]

Jesus loves you Bernadette. ♥️Know♥️ 1 John 5 KJV 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. Ephesians 1 KJV 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 1 Corinthians 15 KJV 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Romans 3 KJV 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

[@InExcelsisDeo24]

Casual mass!?

[@bernadetteensley5653]

Casual mass, yes. Go to a Latin mass and you will see what I mean. Anything can be adjusted and accomodated on the new mass. I went to a reverent novis ordo for a long time but it's really few and far between.... And with that so many things are still cut out and softened down for the ears. I don't mean any disrespect for where everyone is on their journey but tye Bishops need to be fathers who teach and stand for the dignity of our faithful worship.

[@InExcelsisDeo24]

@@bernadetteensley5653 I’ve been to both. I’ve no problem with mass, period.

[@blackwoodbaritone]

It sounds like his Excellency is implying “don’t focus on the liturgy, focus on evangelization and Catechesis.” To this, we restorationists reply: “Lex orandi, lex credendi.” Restore the Liturgy, and we can evangelize as we did for almost 1940 years prior to the Novus Ordo.

[@kell_checks_in]

The Latin Mass was codified in 1570 and around sporadically for only about a hundred years before that. Why are you ignoring the first 1400+ years of the Church when Mass was said in the vernacular?

[@hopefull61256]

@@kell_checks_in Yes it's strange to think of the early church in its middle eastern setting, attending a very baroque Latin mass. I think God requires an orientation of our hearts towards him. Traditions are they to help us achieve this. But they are a means to an end not the end themselves.

[@blackwoodbaritone]

@@kell_checks_in The language used at Mass was never, or at least was never meant to be, the language of the street. It's always been at the very least an elevated, poetic form of vernacular language. What we see with the Novus Ordo is the implementation of translations that are essentially the flattened prose of the street.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

@@kell_checks_in That is fake news. Latin Mass was said since the 2nd century. It existed for over a thousand years before Trent.

[@Luminosity94]

But people tend to forget thaaaat it was only after Vatican 2 that the Catholic Church began to spread like wildfire among the eastern side like Asia and Africa and there was a boom in the catholic population and is still increasing now... but then again, westerners think otherwise. They think Catholicism is dying. Well it is dwindling down in the western world especially in America because people there are very liberated. They dont want to listen... but yeah, just my thoughts.

[@annettebeckett4671]

I am South African and was always taught that priests come and go as do popes. We go to church for the sacraments not aesthetics. Been asking myself lately what would say do if he were here in person. It changed the way I teach catechism. Sadly what I see is people becoming more and like the pharisees and forget the poor spiritual or material.

[@Jayce_Alexander]

"There is a great danger for the enemy to take what is a good desire and twist it into something [bad/evil]". The bishop summed up what happened with the Liturgical reform without seeming to realize it. 😐

[@joelpenley9791]

Yeah, I was thinking how this statement could be used to cut both ways. I think the bishop was saying it to only be applied to Trads, but I think it should be applied things like communion in the hand while standing or the music at NO masses.

[@Spiritof76Catholic]

They have had 50 years to fix the Bugnini protestant errors he built into the new order Mass and done nothing. Come on Bishop, dead mens bones and whitewashed tombs…

[@kell_checks_in]

@@joelpenley9791 Christ distributed to the Apostles in the hand. Case closed.

[@joelpenley9791]

@@kell_checks_in the Apostles were all priests. So yes, case closed.

[@daenithriuszanathos9306]

Time and again, we find in therapy that once a legitimate (and sometimes painful) ciriticism of the self is presented, the individual (sometimes subconsciously) deflects that to point at the other. I didn't have to scroll very far to see it manifested here. Listen to the entire interview. Bishop McCaig admitted that there was something that went wrong during the liturgical reform. The topic being discussed at the moment, however, is how the fervour of "traditionalists" can be turned for the devil's purposes. Instead of going for a jab at the "NO camp" (yet again), how about we take the time to actually reflect on how the devil has warped our passion for right praise and worship of God into an idol. Just my two cents.

[@brendamyc3057]

Let’s walk the path of holiness together.

[@TS-ms8sn]

Well said Bishop Scott McCaig 👏👏 Let us as Catholics all get along with each other and stop judging. Instead let's pray for peace, faith, love and unity. We are all God's children and loved endlessly. God bless 🙏✝️

[@marshallluddite]

totally agree Tony, but when a creature (a human is a creature) is boxed in it often fights to get out, lots of trads feel like there being boxed in and however much you try and talk all fluffy and fuzzy like a dear bishop such as this does it doesnt calm the creature down.

[@joanmaltman9580]

This is the usual type of weak livered comment one gets when people do not understand what is at stake.

[@joelobe187]

Ts..... judging????? jorge bergoglio's lingo????? ex bar bouncer from argentina.

[@SuperZebezian]

Misguided or overly-zealous "Trads" are a small issue compared to the problems they are reacting against.

[@msj5885]

Great comment.

[@macroglossumstellatarum3068]

So true

[@futuresaintapparel5501]

But together they make one heck of a scandal of our beautiful faith!

[@DanielaLopez-te1tv]

And just a minority. I have found in Trads far more charity and hope and guidance than anywhere else, far more violent than Trads are the forces trying to extinguish their voices. Wonder why...

[@kell_checks_in]

Wrong. Condescending Trads seeking to remake doctrine to suit themselves are exactly the SAME PROBLEM they claim to be fighting against.

[@CatholicsForTrump]

He’s so right.

[@stthomasmore4811]

Trust me, Excellency, Traditional Catholics are indeed focused on Jesus. And we're ready to die a thousand insults, calumnies, presumptions and actual deaths for Him.

[@PerfectNormal]

Yes, someone can be a devout Catholic and have confidence in the Norvus Ordo form. Though I don’t attend the Latin mass even though it’s available to me, I do appreciate the perspective traditionalists bring and I think it has a good influence on those that have gotten lax as Catholics as it reminds them that being a Catholic isn’t passive .I don’t believe TLM is the only way to go about becoming a serious Catholic.

[@generic_account2138]

Like clown masses? Alphabet pastor Jimmy of the Jesuit Synodal way"masses?", your avg crappy Peter Paul and Mary boomer band " Mass. ".. Yeah...nah

[@zsedcftglkjh]

@@generic_account2138 How about your Latin priests who say daily Mass in 15 minutes...but it's super reverent because muh Latin. BTW, Latin wasn't a liturgical language until the fourth century. The first Masses were in Greek.

[@RealAugustusAutumn]

When you work in intelligence, there is a concept known as "bleeding". If you want to hinder or eliminate a movement, you subvert the elements of that movement that are most dedicated to its cause, usually by convincing the majority middle that those zealous elements are actually bad for the movement or even traitors. In this way, support for the true goal is "bled" out and the movement becomes an inert force, like a pressure release valve. This is what people like Matt are doing to the traditionalist movement. By trying to appeal to what seems like a "rational majority" and discrediting the "fringe", he is actually shunning those most dedicated to the shared cause and dividing the church further.

[@northwestdestiny1388]

Excellent assessment. Amen!

[@brianmchale5304]

Interesting comment. I did notice that during a recent episode Matt inferred that his initial enthusiasm for statements about the Church made by Archbishop Vigano and Father James Altman was waning.

[@RealAugustusAutumn]

@@its-thom Popular Catholic personalities like Bishop Baron, Breaking in the Habit, Jimmy Akin (and the rest of Catholic Answers), etc.

[@RealAugustusAutumn]

@@brianmchale5304 Yeah, about a year ago it seemed like he was getting a lot more sympathetic towards Trads. Given his very zealous opposition to pornography and masturbation, something most Catholics won't discuss, it seemed like he was primed to be the foremost personality on the TradCath scene. Unfortunately it seems now that he's folded into compliance with the mainstream like the rest of them.

[@kell_checks_in]

All I know is, I don't want you making edits to my doctrine anymore than I want the Progressives doing it.

[@Victor-co2xj]

McCaig: "Pope Francis comes along and people have a lot of questions about Pope Francis. It feels like he's doing a lot of questionable things or things that we would think are wrong." Talk about an understatement! Here is the only acceptable description of a legitimate Successor of St. Peter: "The Pope has the divine promises; even in his human weaknesses, he is invincible and unshakable; he is the messenger of truth and justice, the principle of the unity of the Church; his voice denounces errors, idolatries, superstitions; he condemns iniquities; he makes charity and virtue loved." (Pius XII, Address Ancora Una Volta, Feb. 20, 1949.) Remember: this is not a description of what the pope should be, but what the pope actually *is*.

[@alexk48]

Then by the definition you give, Francis is not the pope.

[@mairihaggerty5825]

In my experience, having been involved in catholic and protestant charismatic circles, a crowd or indeed a self proclaimed ‘guru’ always floats to the top.

[@MargaretNolan-c1t]

I sincerely hope you are no longer involved in what is, in its essence, Protestant heresy. It comes from Evangelicals, is based on emotion/experience and implicitly denies the power of the Catholic rites of baptism and confirmation. No charismatic huckster can PROVE that the words 'God put on my heart' come from the world, the flesh, the devil or the Holy Spirit. Priests have gone to charismatic "Catholic" gatherings and have words of actual demons in the babble of "tongues." Paul VI, destroyer of liturgy, allowed the infestation of charismatic heresy as he allowed so many evils. Real tongues involve one person speaking in his language and the other hearing in his own. Ralph Martin is a fraud and so is Matt Fradd; they make money from the ignorance and sloth of the average NO "Catholic". Martin works for a pink palace seminary and has NEVER spoken of the reality of sodomites in the NO clergy. Smilin' Scott Hahn, Martin, Fradd all have made much hay while the sun shines, writing puerile books written to a sixth grade comprehension level. Most post-modern people don't read as a norm, and most NO's have NEVER read a Church Doctor, the life of a saint and certainly not the encyclicals of pre-Vatican II popes.

[@johnpacheco3668]

Your guest shared on how he has seen people start out on fire with our lord only to become jaded. He says he feels like shaking these people and say can’t you see what’s happened. I think he should have as is that not part of accountability. I think about myself experiences and how often someone could have helped me avoid bad decisions by helping me become aware. I think that is part of the problem we are more interested in being like vs the right and moral thing.

[@PhilMorgan303]

The movement back to Tradition is the movement away from Cardinal McCarrick’s boys! How ‘bout we get an investigation and a cleaning of the house!!!

[@daninspiration4064]

I am just sadden how I go to masss and barely hear people sing or respond when we are suppose to respond.

[@ntmn8444]

So sing and respond! When no one else does I go in extra loud.

[@nathaniellathy6559]

At TLM you don't have to respond. Silence during the Mass is needed. Novus Ordo lacks reverence

[@spencermarkham1]

Here’s my take on the church problems. The church is a bureaucracy. Unfortunately it has become self-serving, corrupt, and inefficient, you know bureaucratic! Meanwhile we the sheep are being neglected by those bureaucratic shepherds, hence all of the infighting on Catholic media. I need the Church to be a stabilizing force in my life and I feel like it has failed miserably in that regard even at the local level! There’s no sense of community that there should be and the church leaders don’t seem to care either. It’s very sad! Also with so much chaos there’s confusion! I need spiritual counseling out of all of this and I would like to turn to my priest but I can’t because he like the one before him seems to be burned out of the vocation. I am now going to my former priest (two priests before my current one) who is retired and lives an hour away for such counseling. But let’s just say I am not really happy with the Church right now.

[@rickdockery9620]

I hope you find peace.

[@quiricomazarin476]

That's because of the secular world & it's choice to work with JMB Satan's helpers in destroying christendom... Our church has been infiltrated & indoctrinated with lies. The Church is still Holy & will triumph.

[@imeldataaffe433]

Don't stress. Keep your eyes and heart on Our dear Lord, pray and trust. Live the best possible life you can. Jesus said" All will be well, in all manner of things, all will be well." Jesus, Mary and Joseph, I love you . Save souls, save Priests souls, save the dying.☘️

[@mikeb9396]

After many years of being away from Mass because there was just "nothing there", I decided to go back because Jesus CALLED me back home. I walked into my parish last November, and was absolutely blown away because the pastor was preaching the Word of God. His homilies have not been 3 minutes, and a cloud of dust with a pass of the basket, peace be with you and off you go. On the contrary, his homilies are long, but inspiring; heartfelt, but teaching at the same time. We even have a Transitional Deacon whose homilies are cut from the same cloth. There is hope for the Church, but WE have to be part of it. Volunteer with whatever you can do to help. Don't leave the load for the pastor to haul by himself. Our parish, and the school are growing, and we have a ton of volunteers. The repair of OUR Church starts at the parish level. Do NOT wait for the Pope to do everything; don't wait for the Cardinals to do everything; don't wait for the Bishops to do everything: Get involved.

[@edwardbaker1331]

What's wrong with the Church is that it has tried to be a "community" instead of a Church, which should not be a community. The religious life is not about the pursuit of happiness.

[@engunto]

His excellency's criticism is fair but I don't think this is just a criticism for just Trads but all Catholics. By targeting the Trads only you just make them become more defensive. When you back someone into a corner they lash out; it is instinct.

[@DanielaLopez-te1tv]

Of course, this warning to be charitable and not to get demotivated is for people in general. But the fact that this is what is alleged about Trads just confirms that what we've got to say hasn't met open ears as much as it should and just the violent roar of the misguided minority has. What a shame.

[@turlinen]

It is a criticism directed to all, but especially for Trads. That was the topic of the conversation at the moment.

[@kriss8499]

Ok I needed this. I need to keep my focus on Jesus.

[@aisthpaoitht]

Trad view: "the Church is always correct right up until I say it isn't."

[@edwardbaker1331]

You are making it clear your hatred and bigotry will not allow you to resist forming Eighth Commandment trashing carricatures. Name one single time traditionalists deny magisterial authority when they criticize, let us say, a bad pope for resisting the magisterial authority of immutable truth and doctrine, which said bad pope mocks and ridicules from his atheistic leanings? The Church is not a tyrannical dictatorship. Got it?

[@baumholderh8425]

I’ve seen this jadedness more within Novus Ordo crowds. Too often they focus on how bad the world is around them. But I am optimistic because if we are to believe Gods word we must hold that he will win in the end. So all we can do is be the most reverent and faithful.

[@JackieRoseMarie]

Many of us who aren't trads needed to hear this also. It's so easy to be focused on everything wrong that you lose the joy and peace of Christ. Amen.

[@garyrobertson7350]

Nah you are so off point. We "Trads" hate the way people treat the Lord in the Tabernacle. That's our biggest worry.

[@linz8422]

Yea big time off point this video is SAD

[@QBlessed93]

Receiving on the tongue wasn’t a thing until the 9th century and wasn’t codified until the 13th century. Prior to that the early church received it on the hands. I think both forms are respectful as long as people are doing it with love and faith in the true presence.

[@paulhudson4254]

Yep, we are angry, Vatican II foolishness has hurt all Catholics. Please your Grace don’t white wash this issue. 🌺✝️🌺

[@jamesmartello1]

Praise Be Our Lord Jesus Christ!!!

[@carold5188]

Amen! Thank you! I loved this!

[@jawisher]

This just struck me as a lot of word salad to avoid and misrepresent actual issues.

[@PerfectNormal]

Amen, Father 😌

[@dariusbiliunas1572]

God bless for the truth!

[@PerfectNormal]

“…just maybe some of our security was in things that are here today and gone tomorrow”. 👏🏼😌⛪️

[@joecardone4887]

I think where Rad trads can go wrong is where they become so set in their ways where they basically become sedevaticanosts. I’ve seen this trend on KZbin which is sad because then they cease to be Catholic. The TLM and community are great for the most part but sometimes I think they forget that God is still revealing more of himself to the Catholic Church like he has to his people through out all of history.

[@RealAugustusAutumn]

Being a Sede doesn't make you non-Catholic, it means you recognize the heresy of the modern church. JPII believed people of all religions could be saved, a blatant contradiction to Church teaching and central part of the Vatican II council

[@R.C.425]

I think making yourself sound so right/perfect that you have no clue what a trad is I attent both NO and TLM when I can. I HAVE NEVER COME ACROSS THE KIND OF SENTIMENTS YOU SPEAK OF

[@joecardone4887]

@@R.C.425 I’m not sure if you misread my comment but I don’t understand where you’re coming from. I never claimed to be perfect or anything like that. I do know what a trad is and have some friends that are trads. Generally being a trad is a really good thing. I’m saying it becomes bad when they become rad trads. Rad trads seem to ignore the current Pope altogether and that’s when it comes bad. I like some of his content but go read the comment section from any Dr. Taylor Marshall video. Now it seems like the majority of the comments are just bashing Pope Francis and saying that everything that he does is demonic.

[@joecardone4887]

@@RealAugustusAutumn Yes they can. Part of it says that people can be saved if by no fault of their own they don’t know Christ and the Catholic Church. What if someone lives in a town where everyone is Muslim and they’ve never heard of Jesus and his Church? There are conversion stories like this. But if they die and never hear about Jesus do you really believe God would just condemn them to hell?

[@RealAugustusAutumn]

@@joecardone4887 You're literally talking like a Protestant, hence why Trads have such a problem with that position. Do you think nobody thought about this in 2000 years of Catholicism? God already knows everyone that will be saved, and knows that some people in other cultures and religions can come to know Christ through their own hearts. When they seek the truth, the truth will being them to the church. If this view wasn't true, there would be no point in evangelism, or a religion at all...

[@hiuszenoom809]

Church is the place to save the souls when the world is getting chaotic, it should be timeless and unchanged.

[@kell_checks_in]

I agree. That's why I prefer the Ordinary Form. It corrects many of the confused, baseless and alienating additions from the 1500s and sources the Liturgy as instituted by Christ.

[@hiuszenoom809]

@@kell_checks_in TLM and Divine Liturgy are both apostolic and authentic, I don’t know where is your confusion. St Chrysostom, St Paul and all apostles instructed their followers performed same sacrifice since then. Mass is never for how you feel, is how God feel. You are mere sinner will be damned in hell without our Lord’s salvation. Mass is for you to repent and pray, your soul will be lift up by his body and blood. Don’t think what you prefer, is what God prefer. You need the grace from God to live every moment.

[@hiuszenoom809]

@@kell_checks_in I don’t understand mindset of Catholics now…why “you prefer”? Vatican II has created self-serving attitudes toward the faith, which totally contradicted selfless, being holy and surrendered to Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ died for our sin, he is not worth for a extraordinary form for worship? Also, you are not his apostle, why you have right to be in front of him? You are not direly consecrated with Christ.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

@@kell_checks_in Novus Ordo is not like early Church Mass at all other than a few details taken out of context. It has zero continuity with ancient liturgy. Pope Benedict wrote about this in the 90s.

[@jonathanlambert3989]

Great conversation!

[@katecollins2982]

Like the Eucharist, accessible today, not accessible tomorrow…so why should we strip ourselves even from that because we are attached too much?

[@Gio-ce8ob]

Well put by His Eminence.

[@TrustInJesusThruMaryWithJoseph]

🙏🏻🕊❤️‍🔥AMEN!❤️‍🔥🕊🙏🏻

[@joechapple9006]

It’s difficult to see the Novus Ordo mass as the solution to the problems that Matt brought up. Maybe that’s not what the bishop meant, but it seemed to be heavily implied that those who attend the TLM are the ones who are getting away from Christ while those who are comfortable with the Novus Ordo aren’t in danger of going astray.

[@carolinenorman6141]

Excellent

[@thebiblepriest4950]

I am known as the "Bible Priest," but there was a time forty years ago when I was known as the "Latin Priest." I have taught Latin, and I love Latin, because it is the glorious rayment in which the Roman Rite has been vested for 1600 years. But, as I look back, I see that it also for many centuries veiled the glory of the Gospel proclaimed in the church. There is a point in the marriage ceremony where the veil is pulled back, for the benefit of the bridegroom's kiss. The new rite, with the expanded lectionary, has opened the riches of the Bible, which have given greater nourishment to the people of God now for fifty years. Latin and the Bible should be able to coexist with each other in a truly Catholic Church. The Baltimore Catechism taught that the two pillars of the faith are Scripture and Tradition, and it is erroneous to set them at odds with each other. I will fight for the essential unity of all truths until my dying breath!

[@turlinen]

Thank you, Father, for your encouraging words.

[@TheLincolnrailsplitt]

But the Latin Mass is being eradicated by the ardent 'spirit' of Vatican II proselytisers. Co-exiting isn't part of their plan.

[@thebiblepriest4950]

@@TheLincolnrailsplitt Tell me about it! I was ordained in 1974, when Pope Paul VI responded to appeals from figures in the musical world to keep a lifeline to Gregorian chant. I obeyed my Pope by leading the congregation in simple settings of the Kyrie, which appeared in both the English and Latin missals. Well, I have paid a heavy lifelong price for that act of obedience. I was designated the "Latin Priest" by people who didn't seem to know that the Kyrie is in Greek! I pray that the good Lord, whose mercy I have implored for his church in the language of the New Testament, will in the end fill up the measure of his mercy for me.

[@wesbrown3831]

He did not address the changes and if the trads actually have a point. Why can't he see its his and others who are changing things, causing anxiety. So have joy in your changes is what I'm hearing... 😢

[@JaredGRisner]

Sheesh. Minute 2 gets you going. Great discussion! Encouraging and charging.

[@llllShArPllll]

I think it’s this kind of criticism of “trads” that made me stop tuning into Pints with Aquinas. It was great for a while until it seemed like Matt tried to distance himself from the “trad” or TLM world. Why? Of course there are sinners in each camp. We are all sinners. But at a critical time, shortly after Traditionis Custodes came out, Matt chose to distance himself from the trad/TLM movement (which in my opinion has been organic and fruitful)-sitting on the fence and throwing “trads” under the bus. Not all of us live in Steubenville and have access to beautiful and reverent Novus Ordo masses.

[@rickhnat9641]

Even Scott Hahn quietly started attending the Traditional Latin mass. 😉 Just treat us like a different rite, which we are, and let us see who has more vocations per capita in 20 years. It just seems like in the modern Church you can do what ever you want just don't be a traditionalist!!!

[@MargaretNolan-c1t]

@@rickhnat9641 It's all about money with smilin' Scott and Matt Fradd (whom I think has had far too many pints, not with Aquinas). Both of these hucksters are Protestant in both spirit and conduct: they sell their cults of personality and have been very successful at it. It is a simple fact: there was no "new evangelization" or "charismatic renewal", they were the vainglorious aspirations of the failed Modernist heretic: JPII. What Fradd and Hahn have remained mostly silent about is the sodomite infestation of the clergy, that has been widely known for over TWENTY years to those who pay attention. It is rumored that Hahn is a member of the Opus Dei cult, the "brain trust" of the Novus Ordo. Get the facts straight: these two are paid to prop up the Novus Ordo counterfeit faith.

[@athosnogueira6755]

only when I came to the TLM did I start to take my faith and the Eucharist seriously

[@James-fk2ki]

Traditional Latin Mass brings back more people to the church than the devices of the liberal bishops. Thanks to Traditional Latin Mass. let's not sum up that all trads are judgemental. I am not a trad to judge others, But to save souls and my own soul.

[@ragejinraver]

I'm a traditional Catholic And I'll tell you this from personal experience . Most trads are extremely judgmental . In my opinion most are about larping not being humble .

[@generic_account2138]

Who ​@@ragejinraverare " most trads "?

[@QBlessed93]

As somebody who loves reverence and tradition, the modern day trads are overly focused on the method of worship than the worship itself. “Don’t worship the worship, worship God.”

[@RatRod150]

I don't know where I fit in anymore. I see the "Trads" and hear them talk about the "beauty and reverence" of the latin mass, but when I watch the latin mass, I see no place for me. Likewise, I can not abide the "bubble mass," the "guitar mass," nor the "gay dads" mass. Can the bishop not see the "great danger (of) the enemy to take what is a good desire and twist it into something bad" applies to the mainstream (for lack of a better term) Catholic church as well?

[@TheLeonhamm]

The Latin Mass Society was not about a safe space let alone 'going back' to something long gone; in AD 1965, when the Society was started, the very foundations of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass were under attack, nothing much has changed today. And seeking to provide this Holy Sacrifice of Mass offered in the Roman Rite - unaltered in essentials, forms, and customs, as required by the Second Vatican Council (but already being ignored) - shows that little has shifted since then (though now mostly coalesced around the Missal of Pope St John XXIII and the Missal promulgated by Pope St Paul VI). Indeed genuine charismatics (in the Catholic sense) are to be found in communities offering one or other, or both, of these Rites (once assumed to be the same Rite now admitted to be quite different, or more or less incompatible, theologically). Where the Faithful - those committed to Sacred Tradition, aka The Faith - go wrong is .. in allowing the discussion to be reduced to a matter of taste rather than truth. This shift in focus is wholly at odds with the founding principles of the Latin Mass Society etc .. and, moreover, what most Charismatics seem to regard as their common denominator. Great stuff as always PwA. Cheers! Keep the Faith; tell the truth, shame the devil, and let the demons shriek. God bless. ;o) P.S. Our devotional life (of prayer et al) is where taste comes in. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is a matter of fact rather than emotion, and therefore requires the truth. So, if the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is the once-for-all Sacrifice on the Cross, re-presented at the altars of the Church, then something more than what we like is the crux of the matter; and our beliefs about it, attitudes towards it, and participation in it require a great deal of careful consideration (certainly more than whether or not to have bubbles, liturgical dances, talk-show host celebrants, or songs from a 1968 CE Peter, Paul and Mary* LP). * Long before 'my time' but I do like the pop versions of folksy music by P, P and M, played on my grandparents' radiogramme; but where they fit into the Divine Liturgy, I have yet to be shown, other than as a jolly sing-a-long in memory - of Christ's bloody death .. on the festival Day of His Resurrection, honouring the Blessed Virgin, or recalling the witness of some worthy soul or other.

[@brendamyc3057]

Bishop I’m on board!

[@kimlersue]

In trying to keep it together..what I have seen among world religions..especially the ancient ones..is the mistake of worshiping the religion instead of God. it's such a fine line to cross...that most don't know they've done it!

[@mikemorales4855]

Mad, jaded and angry sounds like Pope Francis.

[@InExcelsisDeo24]

Sounds like those who hound, slander and criticise him.

[@caedanjennings]

Amen truth!!

[@jbell0243]

I am a Roman. The Church is visible and ordained but also it’s Wordly power is not it’s life. We must constantly turn our attention, call it back rather be called back to the crucified Lord.

[@saintjosephterrorofdemonsp6132]

May the will of our Father made known by His Son through the power of the Holy Spirit triumph and reign in all hearts through Ever Virgin Most Powerful Mother of God Mary - crush evil! Jesus, I trust in You to throw to the ground all corrupted Catholics in Church and government off their asses like you did with Saul so we can witness your forgiveness, justice and mercy all over again! Vengeance is Yours!

[@laurants]

Normie Caths who only attend NO hear of my Trad parish, which is the only one in my diocese of 100 parishes, and they always comment on how beautiful the liturgy is. Many have been to the parish at least once but regularly attend NO. They would be open to more TLM but the Bishop and their pastor never lets it happen. Until my cardinal nukes the TLM here, I will continue to bring my family to the best mass we have available.

[@AlbornozVEVO]

"reject vatican ii! reject novus ordo! we need to go back to tradition!" and the tradition in question is less than 500 years old.

[@killingweston1]

Honestly, I had a hard time grasping the real meat of what he actually said there. It seemed like a lot of feel good sentimental talk that isn’t really very helpful in our real concrete situation. I’m not mad; I just want to raise my family in a traditional authentically Catholic way, and (largely because of the current hierarchy) that’s very difficult to do currently.

[@teresaegger5097]

Amen!

[@thatright4985]

No it isn't. Most of your time isn't spent in the church building with your family. Choose to live simply...way beneath your means, even though you could afford more. Replace "fun" with plenty of nature and pray daily out in nature and public. Have only three outfits at most. Teach your kids the same. Don't follow the American constant consumerism and reaching for more material things. Visit the sick, imprisoned and homeless and share with them. Fast and give alms. No one is stopping you. Jesus and Mary lived under way more unjust and dangerous circumstances than you. Stop feeling sorry for yourself.

[@antoniofelis8291]

@@thatright4985 I can't believe how easy it is to forget these simple Christian values. What is happening with people?

[@joejackson6205]

The Magisterium has failed in its duties for the last 100 years. I ask all to join me in praying daily that Our Father in Heaven would manifest The Holy Spirit to and in all these descendants of the Apostles of The Church of His Son Jesus The Christ. That The Holy Spirit would bring all these Bishops to repentance from their finacial corruptions and homosexual predations and all the apostosies and heresies they have promulgated in their pursuit of modernism and power. That The Holy Spirit would make ALL of these Bishops good and faithful shepards of The Church of His Son Jesus The Christ. That The Holy Spirit would protect and raise up all the bishops and priests that have remained faithful to the teachings of His Son Jesus The Christ.

[@theshaddocks5605]

Very insightful. Thank you.

[@lorrainemcnaueal4538]

Did the enemy not move in at second Vatican council? What is it St.Peter speaks of in 2nd St.Peter 2? He writes lying teachers who bring sects of perdition, and denying the Lord who bought them?

[@zsedcftglkjh]

You're a doctor of the Church?

[@linz8422]

Sounds like you don’t understand the traditional Latin Mass if you think people’s desire for it has to do with an “inordinate fervor.”

[@kell_checks_in]

One mark of inordinate fervor is calling people who disagree with you stupid, which is what you just did.

[@linz8422]

@@kell_checks_in actually no, the word stupid is no where in my comment above, nice way to jump to conclusions and mind read though. If you asked me “Are you calling Matt Fradd stupid?” That would’ve been charitable, but since you did not do that I will still repay you with charity by clarifying for you what I meant since you do not seem to understand…I do not think Mr. Fradd is stupid nor his guest. I simply think they do not understand why people are returning to the Traditional Latin Mass nor the Traditional Latin Mass itself. If they truly understood it then wouldn’t have made the suggestions they did because the reasons for its revival would be obvious to them…but….obviously, it’s not obvious to everyone.

[@sergesavard636]

If you are NOT angry then you are NOT paying attention

[@tubaceous]

I have problem with ‘trad’ label. There are Catholics and non-Catholics in one common space. That is all!

[@ntmn8444]

Same! Catholicism is in its nature traditional

[@actanonverba9439]

The road to Hell is paved with the skulls of erring priests, with bishops as their signposts” - ST. JOHN CHRYSOSTOM.

[@susanmoore9839]

Amen!!

[@videonmode8649]

Being a traditional catholic means you follow mother Church and her teachings regardless if you go to TLM or NO.

[@Kyntai]

Glad Trads are way more attractive and healthy. No one wants to listen or deal w/ whiners or doomers who look like losers. We have Jesus Christ. That’s endless joy.

[@reginasmith3149]

And Ralph Martin is ALWAYS full of the love of Christ!

[@Darth_Vader258]

The Catholic Church needs a NEW council like Vatican III. And the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass should be the Traditional Latin Mass but in a Vernacular language.

[@grantbartley483]

Judgement begins with the house of God. But doesn't finish there.

[@ransomcoates546]

‘We become mean-spirited.’ Who is more mean-spirited than Francis? These banal explanations of ecclesial disaster are more than trying. The bishop sounds like a Protestant half the time.

[@cherylcadigan6086]

If people like the TLM then great! Although the church still needs to respond to what God wants for the Mass following Vatican II. We need more Masses that have reverent sacred music and keep traditions that would be universal. Obviously the Holy Spirit wants the Church to bring all of God’s children to holiness. We need to throw out the crazy liberal liturgies and fulfill what the Holy Spirit intended.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

Sacrosanctum Concilium said to preserve the use of Latin and to give Gregorian Chant pride of place. Where was that in the liturgical reform?

[@cherylcadigan6086]

@@JohnFromAccounting Yes the Masses after Vatican II should have some Latin and Gregorian chant in them. I’m still waiting but I have found some churches that have beautiful Masses that do include Latin and Gregorian Chant

[@ccribbon]

What a wise Bishop! I wish there were more Bishops like you. I hope that Matt Fradd now understands that his desire for something "standard, that doesn't change, that is reliable" is to be found in Jesus: Matt's great need for "something" ...... that something is someone: Jesus. As for the Pope; he is Christ's representative on Earth. I believe that he is closer to God than any of us will ever be. Who are we to put ourselves above him, and think we know better than the man to whom God has entrusted the seat of Peter. To my mind it is an arrogance and a vanity to question God's wisdom. I don't believe that there is a man (or woman) alive, who by sincerely praying in great humility and acceptance of the wonderful and mysterious wisdom of God, remains confused as to the role and actions of the Pope. This Pope suffers greatly, and needs all our prayers as his suffering escalates. Some people are blindly clinging to tradition instead of putting their trust in Jesus. Fighting about which Mass is best is distracting from where the real war is being waged. I believe that God is allowing His humble servant to be used in order to separate the wheat from the chaff. But this is just my discernment. Each one must pray for their own discernment and put their trust in The Lord, who is the Head of the Church. The Old Protestants couldn't destroy it, neither will the New Protestants. Viva Cristo Rey

[@toddtabbaa1023]

It’s hard to be evangelical as the good bishop suggests, when our priests and bishops, and sadly even our Pope not only oppose our doing so, but even send messages to the public that are antithetical to the Church and her gospel.

[@daninspiration4064]

I thought of Taylor Marshall when bishop was speaking.

[@mariecait]

If it’s not love it’s not of God 😢

[@GaryM260]

If it's NOT BROKE DONT FIX IT!!!!!!

[@turlinen]

You see, Matt - this shake from the bishop (at 2:50) is also for you. Please see what is going on. Please see that in every other episode of PwA the subjects of "liturgical chaos" and "ambiguity and errors of Pope Francis" come up, and the stance taken here is that of critique, accusation, bitterness, even despair, all politely finished with a debate covering. The acts and words of Pope Francis are interpreted in the worse way, the Church's guidance on contemporary topics is received with suspicion or not received at all. Your great work from the past six years cannot find its way through bitterness and result on mistrust against the Holy Father and the Church. Please, allow yourself to be shaken by Bishop McCaig. We all need that.

[@Delta47_11B]

Just don’t have the priest face the congregation, have everybody get a sign of peace and hugging each other, joining hands, etc. If you must have English, then change nothing of the Extra-ordinary form except the language.

[@paulawarnes9951]

It's hard to hear this. My birthright has been stolen and disfigured. My children have abandoned the faith. I am angry.

[@davidmcpike8359]

But, but... So-called "kerygmatic" (in reality "bullshit," anti-intellectual, ahistorical, anti-incarnational) evangelization is one of the things that needs to be subjected to severe critique in the Church today! That's where our joy needs to come from, from a rejection of dumbed-down neutered religion, and a return to the adventure of intelligent honest apostolic religion in continuity with the all that the Holy Spirit has gifted to us through the Church of the ages.

[@nicholeblume2191]

Our human expectations sim to me to be the problem or at least part of our issues just saying

[@msgoody2shoes959]

A: See the Dominicans. They have a clear understanding of the purge that's happening.

[@msgoody2shoes959]

@@carolynkimberly4021 perhaps, Dominicans have left judgment of Bishops to God.

[@paulgrieve7031]

Bloody means… ?

[@ivanspaziano1977]

Surely he made a point that trads are must more needed inside the Church but within a true spirit within our Lord for overcome other kind of spirits, like the ecumenical one, how Christian we are called for loving and save other souls and share to them the truth about the life in grace of God.

[@oraclehaveacookie9737]

Focus on Jesus and less on th battle. GOD never losses. But that doesnt mean we shouldnt have judgement. Neccessary is to separete GOD eternal from the shaft.

[@TheMunderous]

The “Trads” are going down a very dangerous path. So many insist that theirs is the only path to the One True Faith. This only serves to divide the Church making it so it will be very easy to conquer. I have attended the Latin mass frequently over the the last decade. I know my Latin, say my prayers in Latin and can follow the TLM missal- I have even taught my children Latin because I do believe it is the language of heaven. However, the church very wisely divided us into parishes and we are all assigned to one. Imagine what are masses could look like if this TLM enthusiasm was spread throughout all the parishes and not just the privileged few? I think we’d see more Latin masses instead they are corralled into a few parishes that for many of us are not accessible on a regular basis.

[@ntmn8444]

Exactly. It’s one thing if you personally found peace in TLM and that’s how you want to do Catholicism. I’m all for it. But don’t come and tell me the way I’m worshipping is invalid when it’s not. It’s how my leaders have taught me to worship, and sure, I think people get complacent when worshipping God. I think there’s middle ground where we can see eye to eye. But is it really that crazy if I say Novus Ordo actually has helped me personally find Jesus?

[@jendoe9436]

Thanks for your input on this. I didn’t grow up with any TLM, but my church did have a relatively high form of NO and things like serving helped me immensely grow and develop in my faith. I have a hard time following along when things are in different languages, even with reading aids, so while I don’t mind a few parts in Latin (like the Holy, Holy) I’m more invested when I hear English. I just HATE the idea that because I have a different but still valid preference in worship I’m somehow “not reverent enough” or “not as close to God/Jesus.” Everyone is different and has their own journeys, and I wish people in Trad circles would stop trying to shame NO people. I know some NO are pretty bad, but it’s disheartening trying to find good advice for growing spiritually when most of the comments are insults against people like me 😔

[@garrettstephens91]

There is only one way to the true Faith and salvation. That is following ALL the Teachings of the Bible AND the Catholic Church. Not just some teachings, not just the more modern ones...ALL of them going back 2000 years. Following what every Council has ever said, following what the Magisterium has taught, and every Papal Encyclical. A lot of modern Catholics really only pay attention to the teachings of the Church from Francis and JPII, but they need to include all the rest of the Popes as well.

[@creedy8612]

@@ntmn8444 I was in TLM growing up and fell away from the church for 13 years. I had a horrible experience in the TLM as a young person. When I came back to my faith I’ve been at a No parish and I adore our priests and they have been incredible spiritual guides. My love for adoration, the Eucharist, and confession are greater than ever before. Our adoration chapel is always full. We’ve also had incredible relics displayed at our parish. Saint John vianeys heart last year and we just had saint Bernadette’s rib bones. The amount of confession offered at our parish is through the roof with lines of people.

[@creedy8612]

@@carolynkimberly4021 saint Michael the archangel parish in Leawood Kansas. Look it up yourself. You realize the church is a lot bigger than the small bubble in which you see it through. So I’m getting online to lie about the beautiful things in which my parish is doing? Our parish just raised 135k to open up the new crisis pregnancy center in Olathe. We just had Scott Hahn come and guest speak. We always have the most incredible things happening to our parish. Our priests preach nothing but confession and the Eucharist at every mass.

[@InExcelsisDeo24]

That something is Faith. Do not waver even when you are tested. Saints were tested all the time. We are cynical because materialism has taken over and people are very poorly Catechised and educated about the Faith.

[@Johannes-bu6np]

The "fervor" of Traditionalists is not about "fear" or a desire for "safe spaces", but about keeping to and living the one, true, apostolic, faith -without compromise - a compromise that comes from the spirit of the world and a falsification of the Catholic faith. No compromise - that is the language of Satan. So, in its essence, clinging to tradition is a positive adherence to Truth i.e., Jesus Christ - through rejection of the lies, deceptions, and falsehoods of the flesh, the world, and the devil. The "jadedness" cuts both ways from an imprudent openness to everything, to an overly criticalness that can lead to excessive anger unless guarded through meekness and humility. True Traditionalists know this, non-Traditionalists can never seem to understand it, to them it sounds like an alien language of guttural clicks and grunts.