Another HVAC Contractor Condemned AC System We Brought Back to Life!

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Mikey Pipes - Pipe Doctor Plumbing & Heating & Air

Mikey Pipes - Pipe Doctor Plumbing & Heating & Air

Жыл бұрын

Hacks Bring Us Stacks! Another local HVAC contractor condemned this Carrier Infinity Central AC system claiming parts weren't available and there was a freon leak in the evaporator coil. We brought her back to life!
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Пікірлер: 162
@MokenaBob
@MokenaBob Жыл бұрын
Now that was a fur coat. Great Job Mike.
@scottmaz4063
@scottmaz4063 Жыл бұрын
That unit was a mess, like you said you will most likely get the upgrade job. Good work.
@stevedoesitbetter
@stevedoesitbetter 16 күн бұрын
Mikey the godfather of pipes… I’m going to give you an offer on the fur coat you can’t refuse… lol
@PipeDoctor
@PipeDoctor 16 күн бұрын
I already gave it to your sister last night
@allblackallblackandmorr8888
@allblackallblackandmorr8888 Жыл бұрын
You inspire me Mikey Pipes. You’re an excellent Plumber/HVAC Master Plumber. I’ve learned a lot from your videos. Keep the videos coming.
@ares3914
@ares3914 9 ай бұрын
I have the same leak detector. That leak detector is sensitive and if you move it to fast or bump it it will give a false reading. That guy was a amateur and needs to know his tools. I'm glad Mike keeps his guys busy even when it's slow. Days like this you learn and observe each other. It builds a team.
@PipeDoctor
@PipeDoctor 9 ай бұрын
👍
@davidfoley5817
@davidfoley5817 Жыл бұрын
I think the leak detectors battery was getting low and that beeping is a heads up definitely not a leak detector noise
@nes999
@nes999 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if the contractor didn't know that, but figured he could trick the homeowner into a new system.
@tedbell4416
@tedbell4416 5 ай бұрын
Definitely bad battery sound thought the same thing probably puts dead batteries in there on purpose
@truthbetold2914
@truthbetold2914 Жыл бұрын
Wow, what a guy....you're a real legend in your own mind....
@adisrulovitz8317
@adisrulovitz8317 Жыл бұрын
You are a great owner and teacher wish every company was ran like yours
@F12255
@F12255 Жыл бұрын
happened to a previous customer. neighbors kid was sneaking over and slowly huffing refrigerant. system kept going flat. found him slumped over the condenser one day.
@lopezaldana7
@lopezaldana7 Жыл бұрын
Damn… what was the customer’s reaction like when you told them? And was this kid in his teens? That’s wild!
@murkyturkey5238
@murkyturkey5238 10 ай бұрын
People actually huff refrigerant 😂
@MilesVogel
@MilesVogel Жыл бұрын
Another Mikey Pipes video is always a good day. God bless.
@kens.3729
@kens.3729 Жыл бұрын
My Dad always told me if you’re going to do a half ass job, then don’t even start the job. The Problem today is Common Sense is NOT too Common. 🤪👎
@eddiew.6485
@eddiew.6485 Жыл бұрын
Nice chow for Breakfast……..I’m a “Dark Onion bagel with Whitefish salad and a thick Bermuda onion on top”!
@stanleyfunes9520
@stanleyfunes9520 Жыл бұрын
Excellent job guys
@HughesManHVAC
@HughesManHVAC Жыл бұрын
Good one Mike and Crew!
@takethe101totarzana4
@takethe101totarzana4 Жыл бұрын
Mikey, Peter and Daniel have come a long way since joining your team. It would be cool to do a little retrospective showing clips from their first appearance on your channel. Also, enjoyed the retro intro on this one. Keep up the great work.
@alexs116
@alexs116 Жыл бұрын
Don’t get loud with Daniel. He might be your boss one day.
@TomHolcombe-fh1kv
@TomHolcombe-fh1kv Жыл бұрын
First time I watched your videos looks like you really know what you’re doing. I’ve been doing it also for 35 years.
@tmacgee1234
@tmacgee1234 Жыл бұрын
I installed ids 2.0 for the first time. That is the best quality system I've ever installed. Very impressed bosch
@dregenius
@dregenius Жыл бұрын
#LetsGoBosch
@MichOutdoors
@MichOutdoors Жыл бұрын
Good work keep it up
@johnnoland4249
@johnnoland4249 Жыл бұрын
That's the way they do it in NY/NJ. On a tiny lot, you build the biggest box you can!
@james10739
@james10739 Жыл бұрын
Bagels with tuna is something I have never heard of as a southerner
@ADOENDRA
@ADOENDRA Жыл бұрын
Keep on doing the good work, Mike. I know you will spend the € ..... from Belgium well ;-) I have learned a lot from you, and you take your time to replay your viewers. Time to give something back.
@ADOENDRA
@ADOENDRA Жыл бұрын
@@PipeDoctor You are welcome.
@petmogulsupplies6631
@petmogulsupplies6631 8 ай бұрын
Dont bet on that Mikey. These customers aren't loyal. if they find a cheaper price they are going to pursue that
@TomHolcombe-fh1kv
@TomHolcombe-fh1kv Жыл бұрын
Yes, you are using Schrader core removing tool with the BluVac pro. That’s exactly what I use. It all works great. Good job
@williamtorres3394
@williamtorres3394 Жыл бұрын
Great job to you and your team I hate unscrupulous people!!
@JeffsHVACAdventures
@JeffsHVACAdventures Жыл бұрын
I have that same leak detector. Any slight bump will set it off. And it sounded like he had the blower on in that clip. That could also throw a false detection.
@charlescernosek
@charlescernosek Жыл бұрын
Those fieldpiece gauges have a tightness test on them. You can pump full of nitrogen and hit the button it will tell you the pressure drop since you hit the button. Peace! 👍
@jeremiahbrior8821
@jeremiahbrior8821 Жыл бұрын
Facts. Hold test tightness for like 3 sec put the suction line temp probe on and hit enter. Having the temp probe takes into consideration pressure changes due to temp.
@anthonyzink1576
@anthonyzink1576 Жыл бұрын
Mikey pipes they make a tool to remove a pvc threaded nipple for sprinkler systems it’s saved me so many times
@arielhernandez2911
@arielhernandez2911 Жыл бұрын
It’s the face as you are holding the ginger ale can
@robertnelson4755
@robertnelson4755 Жыл бұрын
Why don't business people realize that by taking care of customers, even if you break even or not make your markups every once in a while, you gain a customer that then tells 10 people? That alone is worth 10K in advertising and maybe 100K in sales. For 30 years I ran my business that way and it came back to me 10-fold, plus I never lost a customer to the competition. After 30 years I still had my first customer.
@obama7325
@obama7325 Жыл бұрын
thats what the company i work for does and eventually when a system does need to be replaced almost all our customers do it woth use because every tech has been honest for 10+ years
@dipley3771
@dipley3771 Жыл бұрын
Donated to the charity bossman
@randyhuff1983
@randyhuff1983 Жыл бұрын
I don't like to curse either but I usually do..😂
@kevinseversonandhisvizslas8287
@kevinseversonandhisvizslas8287 Жыл бұрын
You guys did a great job and I’m sure you’ve heard this 1 million times, but HVAC technicians should not be getting a commission on new sales for new equipment. Therein lies the root cause of all the bad actors in hvac.
@hunner9500
@hunner9500 Жыл бұрын
Sad to say I’ve forgotten about the king valves before… told a homeowner he was bone dry when in reality they were just closed. Didn’t put two and two together until a couple of weeks later. We replaced the system by then. Wish I would have done a p test but I didn’t think there would be any use.
@hunner9500
@hunner9500 Жыл бұрын
@@PipeDoctor like you say a good tech is observant I’m chalking it up to a first year blunder.
@potatolew4495
@potatolew4495 Жыл бұрын
​@@hunner9500hope the homeowner does not see this and put 2n2 together. I commend you for admitting your mistake. I have bee repairing hvac/ refrigeration on large commercial fishing vessels and yachts for almost 30 years. I still make some bad calls, not too often but it does happen. It happens to everyone, just don't make it a habit. Best of luck to you, hope you flourish and become a master tech.
@murkyturkey5238
@murkyturkey5238 10 ай бұрын
@@potatolew4495you can’t make it in this field if you don’t make mistakes every once in a while 😂 if someone says they are the perfect tech I know they’re lying
@marcopineda2249
@marcopineda2249 Жыл бұрын
Wish you were in my neck of the woods ! Buying a house and need to get my system checked down here in Corpus Christi, TX.
@arielhernandez2911
@arielhernandez2911 Жыл бұрын
Lmao the leak detecter 😂😂
@arielhernandez2911
@arielhernandez2911 Жыл бұрын
@@PipeDoctor that’s tru have to shit the system down so pressure drops also I didn’t think of that
@kbmblizz1940
@kbmblizz1940 10 ай бұрын
We had an ancient refrig with a tiny leak, (had to fill up once a year) we tried to find the leak but failed. It just wasn't worth the time to tear into it. We really don't have anything to lose to try the Cliplight sealant. It fixed the leak, still humming along after 3 years. They're only good for micro leaks, often times they don't seal with the 1st dose.
@PipeDoctor
@PipeDoctor 10 ай бұрын
Good stuff
@chetmyers7041
@chetmyers7041 Ай бұрын
14:55 The previous "hack" removed the shraeder valve cores and left the system open to atmosphere. If left open for 4 days or longer, will the filter dryer be ruined? Can the desiccant be dried by applying a vacuum and time, or does it never release the moisture it traps??? Probably the hack told homeowner, "your system is old, the coil is clogged, it's not efficient, your best bet is a new system." Owner said, "let me think about it." Hack believes he has lost the sale, so he sabotages the system by leaving it OPEN.
@evanheyder1459
@evanheyder1459 Жыл бұрын
New subscriber here I live in Suffolk county longisland been doing this 7 years about and starting to take my dads company over I’ve seen you around will Deff stop you next time I see you! Great work man 💪
@evanheyder1459
@evanheyder1459 Жыл бұрын
@@PipeDoctor right after I watched this while on the road I had a plugged weather king condenser coil 17 years old never been cleaned or maintained amazing how people miss the small things I think you’re right with this system there isn’t a leak the other company prob messed with it or it’s so small that Dye will take care of it I love that stuff
@bluetonight17
@bluetonight17 10 ай бұрын
wish we had guys like you in northern Indiana. the only thing they want here is more money, and faster. and if you don't buy a maintenance plan but you call for yearly service they charge you double. I am being trained by a guy at work that is HVAC trained and he taught me how to do maintenance and I call him when something is weird. i have called 3 different companies. each one the first thing out of their mouth is are you going to buy a maintenances plan with us. and i always say it depends on your workmanship. not a single one cleaned the A coil that was dirty because of another contractor that screwed up in my attic. if they can't even bring up that that should be cleaned or worst replaced. how can i trust them? so i had the guy i work with help me, got it clean, then he said i need to check the blower, which i am glad he did because the insulation that got into the system was in there wrecking havoc. i had to buy a new blower. but none of the guys i called to come and do service even said anything about that, mean while my number 1 complaint is i have very low air flow. well in the end i fixed it myself with help over the phone and video calls with my co-worker. Oh I forgot, one recommended i go from my 2.5 ton to a 4 ton...... house was only 5 years old, and they where the company that installed the unit to start with.... yeah funny. TL:DR i need someone like you guys out here. i would rather pay someone else to do that work, then do it myself. but none wanted to do the work or even recognized there was an issue.
@PipeDoctor
@PipeDoctor 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for supporting the channel
@realestateservicessaleshea99
@realestateservicessaleshea99 Жыл бұрын
Love the valves on the unit, I use yj 18993's 😂😊🍺🍺🍺🥃🥃🇺🇲
@dougstuart9222
@dougstuart9222 5 ай бұрын
My Man!
@Philadelphia19147
@Philadelphia19147 Жыл бұрын
The correct response is "she doesn't need anymore fur"
@Mapdotgolf
@Mapdotgolf Жыл бұрын
High pressure leak. Intermittent one though. Only leaks when pressures are very high. Sense the fur coat
@Mapdotgolf
@Mapdotgolf Жыл бұрын
Be interested to know because directions I ran into same problem. Went to a unit where it was low on r22. Added nitro to find leak and never found leak. Pulled vacuum and held at 500 so same problem you just ran into
@Mapdotgolf
@Mapdotgolf Жыл бұрын
Keep me updated on it
@Zack-fu8sn
@Zack-fu8sn Жыл бұрын
She's a hairy one Mr. Grinch!
@doncaranci2547
@doncaranci2547 Жыл бұрын
Hi guys
@latinoheat61987
@latinoheat61987 Жыл бұрын
Blower was running and air flow that goes into the detector will make it beep. Unit needs to be completely off when using the leak detector
@maurynielsen9456
@maurynielsen9456 Жыл бұрын
Mikey pipe saves lives
@mattl643
@mattl643 Жыл бұрын
Hacks bringing stacks baby
@robertdestefano5794
@robertdestefano5794 Жыл бұрын
Had a similar situation to this system one time it was flat put pressure on it held for about 30 minutes then turned the heat on and you could hear nitrogen coming out
@carbine85
@carbine85 Жыл бұрын
You guys did everything the right way. Why did you use the leak sealer? The system was tight so why bother. We've had little success with it.
@bigcat.mattyahoo
@bigcat.mattyahoo Жыл бұрын
Hey Mikey, tell Daniel they sell wireless temperature probes for his S-Man gauges get rid of the wires, big cat matt soft and warm the quiet storm
@DCHVAC
@DCHVAC Жыл бұрын
They’re coming Wednesday, finally decided to buy them last week
@bigcat.mattyahoo
@bigcat.mattyahoo Жыл бұрын
@@DCHVAC very nice Daniel I couldn’t stand watching you mess with those cords you’ll love them I’ve had them for quite a while Big cat Matt, soft and warm quiet storm
@jasonthewiczman5442
@jasonthewiczman5442 Жыл бұрын
Colis need a deep clean, Mike pippes have life AC Unit
@markcotter2355
@markcotter2355 Жыл бұрын
Good job mike, serve like saint, serve like a savage! stole that from Doug W.
@warrenbatschelet2117
@warrenbatschelet2117 Жыл бұрын
Those valves are service valves the higher end units have them you need to back seat the valve to close the valve to remove your hose you I bet you just gave that unit a few more years good work
@chetmyers7041
@chetmyers7041 Ай бұрын
18:03 Lawn service will hire a new day employee who strikes that filter/dryer with the lawn mower.
@johnszymanski548
@johnszymanski548 Жыл бұрын
Lol that nerd with the crap dollar store inficon is just picking up dust. No leak
@jessebbutanda586
@jessebbutanda586 Жыл бұрын
There's a lot of crooked ac companies that can't be trusted. Some preventative maintenance would help, solve the problems. Get a few quotes first, ask them if it could be fixed.
@robertconreux8079
@robertconreux8079 Жыл бұрын
When I was working used EZ seal had good luck!! If this customer had not used Hacks system might be in better shape! Just say’in!
@cosmodog1803
@cosmodog1803 Жыл бұрын
What i do with pvc broken like that is tap t-stat screwdriver in between and it comes out easy.
@TX-EddyHVAC
@TX-EddyHVAC 11 ай бұрын
Is that an app for the decay test? Thats a whole nother level. Good stuff
@TX-EddyHVAC
@TX-EddyHVAC 11 ай бұрын
What app is that? I'd like to try it out.
@mindblone0
@mindblone0 Жыл бұрын
It obviously had more than 2lbs of pressure when the original technician was there because it was frosted over. Where did that refrigerant go? Where is the leak that is large enough to lose that charge in 2 weeks? Because it would've never pulled that vacuum.
@DA-PICKLES-VR
@DA-PICKLES-VR Жыл бұрын
Easy seal only works in a dry system. If you add it to a system contaminated with moisture, it will cause problems.
@drodriguez394
@drodriguez394 Жыл бұрын
Use the sawzaw blade by hand. Works better or inside pipe wrenches work well.
@BlahBlah-em2ed
@BlahBlah-em2ed Жыл бұрын
That’s not a fur coat, that’s a full bush.
@jacojanks5985
@jacojanks5985 Жыл бұрын
A non leaking system still has the potential to not pull below a thousand or what ever you stated. You can also pull below 500 without evacuating all the moisture from the system. Heavy moisture content in a refrigerant system can play tricks. Don’t always use rule of thumb. They will humble you very quickly. This is a prime example of commission based service tech or lack of experience tech with improper training. I commend you for providing quality service to your neighbors. Minus the leak lock!
@kens.3729
@kens.3729 Жыл бұрын
So the few HVAC Contractors that have NO Clue what they’re doing make Others in the Industry look Bad. Unbelievable these Companies are still in Bidnez. 🤪👎
@mackman77095
@mackman77095 Жыл бұрын
Question. is having that little clearance around where the condenser coil was have any affect on how much dirt and debris it is sucking in or affect the ability of the unit to pass air across it? Would rotating this unit help in any way?
@tedbell4416
@tedbell4416 10 ай бұрын
Does the coat come with a Mark McGuire rookie card?
@PipeDoctor
@PipeDoctor 10 ай бұрын
Is that worth anything now?
@jeremiahmiller7796
@jeremiahmiller7796 Жыл бұрын
All of the carrier infinities I have come across like that I clean the coil to find a failed compressor >
@davidfoley5817
@davidfoley5817 Жыл бұрын
Where is the pdf link I would love to download it thank you for putting all these videos up!!
@tdadp
@tdadp Жыл бұрын
Holy shit is the only way to describe that for a cold
@cheeeqo
@cheeeqo Жыл бұрын
Mike you’ve tortured your guys enough to where they think every question is a trick question 😂. Have to keep them on their toes.
@gmguy156
@gmguy156 Жыл бұрын
In my experience usually if it doesn’t drop below 1,000 it has a leak still
@DiogoDC123
@DiogoDC123 Жыл бұрын
mike which do you prefer the testo gauges or the fieldpiece?
@molabearair
@molabearair Жыл бұрын
The only thing that belongs in a refrigeration system is refrigerant & oil. Fix the leak.
@dougstuart9222
@dougstuart9222 5 ай бұрын
Classic...
@kevinhurley3699
@kevinhurley3699 Жыл бұрын
Never seen a condenser that dirty
@arielhernandez2911
@arielhernandez2911 Жыл бұрын
Hope you guys took that compressor jacket off a lot of stuff gets in there
@timothywalch7102
@timothywalch7102 Жыл бұрын
Is also taking a leak with the blower running 🎽 at least that's what I heard the background
@richards5843
@richards5843 Жыл бұрын
You might have lost a little on this job but when the customer needs a new unit you will be back on top!
@SuperJeremi10
@SuperJeremi10 Жыл бұрын
@Mikey Pipes - Pipe Doctor Plumbing & Heating & Air I would bet the customer will call you when it's time to change it. I had a similar experience now I only call the company out that fixed my systems. I had been told our 20 year old unit at our store needed to be replaced. I stopped using that company every year for 5 years they would say replace the unit it needs to be changed it's old I can't belive it's still here blah blah blah. This last year, the unit finally had a break down they apart from the normal, it needs freon I called the tech out they condemned it firs said our new t Stat was bad changed it still couldn't get it to run then finally found a broke wire reconnect it the unit came on and wires glowed they stopped there and said unit is to old unsafe we condemned it BTW it will be 10,000 for a new system. I told them no, and they also looked out. The other system newer wasn't cooling, no blower. They said he needed a blower motor, and we needed to order it. I called another tech my neighbor recommended they came out looked at my 20 year old system said the air handler needs to be rewired I can fix it for 500 bucks and for its age the system us in good condition I wouldn't recommend changing it he also found a rusted out line dryer source of the freon leak no other leask in system I had him repair the system to this day the system is still functioning perfectly. I also had him look at the other system that called needed a blower motor. All it needed was a new capacitor. They were able to get both systems back up and running the same day. The other system is new it was installed in 2019 new Rheem system. The other one is a 2002 Frigidaire system matched with a Goodman pancake airhandler. I know call this new company out for routine checks and services as I feel like I can trust them not to rip me off trying to sell me a new system I don't need. Yes, my system is older, and when the time comes, I will change it, but as long as it's still functional, it won't be getting replaced it's not a rusty pil of health Hazzard and it cools well so there's no need to change it.
@SuperJeremi10
@SuperJeremi10 Жыл бұрын
@Mikey Pipes - Pipe Doctor Plumbing & Heating & Air lol sorry I know I can talk a bit. It is nice to know replacment isn't the only option, especially when money was tight and our business needed air and I didn't have in thr budget for a new system. I'm better prepared this time. I've set a side a budget for a new system when the time comes.
@DaveGringo
@DaveGringo Жыл бұрын
Come on, the only problem is the owner forgot to take the winter coat off that condenser! LoL... From one LI guy (sweating my ass off these days in south Florida) to another, great channel I am learning a lot... Question is it really possible and viable to be able to convert a old R22 system to LP or is that a no-no and R410a is a better conversion? My 1996 Ruud system with scroll compressor (seer12 rating). Is still in very good condition, but i fear i might have either lost some R12 or enough condenser fins down low have corroded away that my T differential is now only 15/16 degrees this summer, where it always was 26 previously. My condenser fan is running at normal speed and I feel the same blow speed out my vents as i always have.
@kranch173
@kranch173 Жыл бұрын
The leak you may have inherited someones screw up as you dont know what he did. the coil color wasnt from a dog, but a prior cleaning and not thoughly rinsing off coil.
@kranch173
@kranch173 Жыл бұрын
@Mikey Pipes - Pipe Doctor Plumbing & Heating & Air I have seen the the purple nucalgon, eat the corners of a coil. From not a good rinsing. Some coil cleaners eat aluminum.
@blackericdenice
@blackericdenice Жыл бұрын
If you fixed the leak. Why did you put sealant in there?
@jacobcrandall5666
@jacobcrandall5666 Жыл бұрын
Was that evap covered in a bit of frost? If so and he's holding the detector against the coil, that's likely what is setting it off... those leak detectors will be no good for hours if you get them wet. Hack.
@seanmorgan5339
@seanmorgan5339 9 ай бұрын
It depends on how many cfms the pump is I have had a system to down to 300 microns and the hight side was not welded on one couplink just dry fit
@PipeDoctor
@PipeDoctor 9 ай бұрын
So, the high side was just casually hanging out there, huh? That's one way to keep things interesting! 😄
@TomHolcombe-fh1kv
@TomHolcombe-fh1kv Жыл бұрын
Are you pulling the strata course when you pull over on that system it helps a lot but you probably are
@RoroborTV
@RoroborTV Жыл бұрын
How did you break the vacuum without having a manifold hooked up to the vacuum pump😅
@mitchelljohnston754
@mitchelljohnston754 Жыл бұрын
Why didn't you replace the drier mikey pipes that standard refrigeration practice 🤔
@mitchelljohnston754
@mitchelljohnston754 Жыл бұрын
@@PipeDoctor your still gangster as fuck
@warrenlanham9088
@warrenlanham9088 Жыл бұрын
Maybe i didn't pay attention properly since i was distracted while watching the video. From what i saw the system had no existing leak issues. Why did you inject ez seal? Have you not ever had bad experiences with it in the past (pressure abnormalities, compressor failures, etc)? Do you inform the customers of the potential issues with using ez seal? To clarify I'm not being sarcastic. Just curious and i haven't watched any prior videos. I only ask because I've personally had occasional bad experiences and so have other techs I've spoken with about it. Thanks
@kevinpoore5626
@kevinpoore5626 Жыл бұрын
So would this be considered your first true first coat of the season or just another😂😂
@scottvolage1752
@scottvolage1752 Жыл бұрын
Wow that's a furry one Mikey. Make the Trades great again. #HacksBringYouStacks
@MyberTube
@MyberTube Жыл бұрын
---- curious if you can answer a general price question. I live in Albany NY area and priced a Lochinvar Knight 80,000 BTU 2 zone with evrything including labor for $13,300ish. Is that reasonable? Thanks I appreciate it
@rogerghiardi7723
@rogerghiardi7723 Жыл бұрын
They make extractors to remove broken threads
@Daleeather1975
@Daleeather1975 Жыл бұрын
Hey there Mikey pipes what’s the worst out doo unit you have come across ?
@farnzy2011
@farnzy2011 Жыл бұрын
i rekon the unit was going off on high head, the other tech put on his guages, looked at it, went to take his guages off, forgot to close the king valves, paniced and dumped the charge then made up the leak as an excuise. that would explain why the king valves were open.
@Knoxxy91
@Knoxxy91 Жыл бұрын
what kind of brush is peter using ?
@ThePappas33
@ThePappas33 Жыл бұрын
Was the blower on when he did the leak detection ?
@dyl4446
@dyl4446 Жыл бұрын
why did you not change the drier?
@buckeye-pe6df
@buckeye-pe6df Жыл бұрын
Daniel isnt the sharpest tool in the shed..lol
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